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PlayStation 4 faces same damning challenges as Xbox One

MMGN.com: Simply aiming for gamers won't be enough for PS4, while Microsoft's broader appeal could hurt the industry further.

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dedicatedtogamers1135d ago

Does it? This article comes across as apologist.

"Microsoft is hoping anyone interested in the Xbox One for its television capabilities would be interested -- eventually -- in its gaming capabilities, which is a risky manoeuvre, but probably safer than Sony’s route."

How'd that work out for Nintendo, Microsoft? Ninty hoped people would buy Wii Sports and Mario Kart and then eventually migrate into "core" games, but they didn't.

How is Microsoft's route - use a gaming console to capture the TV audience and then turn around and re-capture the gaming audience - safer than Sony's route - focus your gaming console on games to attract the gamer?

Really, the apologies have to stop. People who buy an Xbox One are funding the death of gaming.

BozoLoco1134d ago

Well Nintendo has no other revenue streams...MS obviously aiming for a broad, maybe too broad a market though.

McScroggz1134d ago

But isn't a lot more likely that somebody playing a casual game would try out a more traditional game than somebody who's watching TV on a console suddenly getting the itch to play a game?

adorie1134d ago (Edited 1134d ago )

I don't like believing in corporations, but I do believe Sony will do right by us. if not? I will game on PC exclusively. Simple as that. Edit: and Wii U -_-

Sony, it's up to you now. Do us right and show MS how a console is supposed to be in 2013!

Thirty3Three1134d ago

Dedicated,

They're just trying to make up stupid, fake information, to help them feel better about their fanboyboxone.

"Hey! I'm an Xbox fanboy! I know the PS4 will be a TON better, but I'm too prideful and arrogant to admit it. Maybe if I were to make up some stupid and fake information about the PS4, it'd make my lovely xbox seem better."

Whatever helps you sleep at night, brah.

British_Knight1134d ago

Why will the PS4 be better than the XBOX One?

MikeMyers1134d ago (Edited 1134d ago )

It comes across as a realist, not an apologist. Game budgets keep increasing. Sony has shut down game studios. We may have seen a lot of exclusives but how many sell well enough to fund themselves?

What I see time and time again here is this attitude that everything should stay the same. That they shouldn't block used games, that the system should just be about games. Meanwhile they keep talking numbers. High specs, GDDR5 ram, how they are all about gamers. Did they not learn anything last generation? Did they not learn anything with the Vita? Sony has essentially eroded all profits prior to the PS3 from their gaming division.

What took 50 people to make Gran Turismo on the PS2 now takes 300 people (just a guess but it is way more now than then). Yet those games sold more on the PS2. So the profits are much lower now and that is one of their highest profile games. Do you really think Sony isn't going to do something about locking games or having fees to counter high costs and the used game market?

Back in the Atari 26000 days and the NES games cost $50. In all that time they have only gone up $10. How is it sustainable to keep this same format going without broadening a game console beyond games? Without curbing used games? Without charging subscription fees for servers? All while costs have gone up every generation and will keep going up? Guerilla already said it took more people to make the new Killzone game. How many people will buy that on a new system?

voodoopickle1134d ago

when nes and Atari came out games were 30$, so the price has doubled. genesis was the first to charge 40 per game

MikeMyers1134d ago

"when nes and Atari came out games were 30$, so the price has doubled. genesis was the first to charge 40 per game"

That's not true. Asteroids for the Atari 2600 was $49.99 when it came out. Games on the NES ranged from $39.99-$49.99. Street Fighter on the SNES was actually $59.99.

Inflation hasn't even caught up to todays prices, let alone development costs. Ask Nintendo how much it cost to make the first Metroid game or the first Mario Bros. to how much they will cost on the Wii U.

NukaCola1134d ago

Yeah I got Mortal Kombat on Genesis for $90 and a huge reason I got a PSone long before an N64 was because I couldn't afford those $75+ cartridges at the time. Pricing is finally right.

denawayne1134d ago

This is the most intelligent thing said about the next gen. I keep saying that Sony WILL have some sort of DRM not unlike MS's. Am I hoping for this? Hell no but business is business. Every company has a bottom line.

jetlian1134d ago

Its not that simple. Cart cost more than cds. If games were to go back and use say usb sticks games would be over 100 dollars.

Yea games do require more people to make. Thats one area where things did go up. However making games did get easier when 3d was introduced.

Before everything was handmade even animations. Now you have motion capture and what not.

I think the problem is games back then didn't rely on Hollywood actors, they didnt spend half the budget on advertizing, they had 2 main systems vs 3 and less companies making games!

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GameCents1134d ago

I stopped reading there.

hulk_bash19871134d ago

"Simply aiming for gamers isn't enough" is where I stop reading. A gaming console that isn't 1st and foremost about serving gamers is useless garbage to me.

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SexyGamerDude1134d ago (Edited 1134d ago )

The PS4 allows you to do more than game, just like the PS3. SONY just isn't trying to shove all the social aspects down our throats, like MS is doing.

MASTER_RAIDEN1134d ago

i feel like what youre saying here is exactly what people need to realize. not a lot about the xbox ones media features would be difficult for sony to just bring to their console too. i think the only reason sony didnt focus too heavily on its media functions is because they knew thats not what most gamers really wanted to see.

Eldyraen1134d ago

A lot of it is just Sony apparently learning from some of their PR issues last generation (namely from execs). They have done their fair share of skirting the issues but at least haven't put their foot in their mouth this time around. MS though in many ways is just asking for the backlash as they will refuse to explain anything and give the same vague answers about everything (or contradict each other).

Sony is likely doing much of the same (not all) that MS console will/can do but by keeping their focus on games (in the public eye) they're keeping their core audience appeased and can later on begin advertising the other aspects of the console. I expect come the holiday season Sony will still have plenty of game-centric commercials but also a few for social/entertainment side of things. MS on the other hand has a good chance of just being all over the place as they decide who to target and when.

I hope both turn out well but Sony is doing the better job of making themselves look good thus far.

CommonSenseGamer1134d ago

But there "It only does everything" campaign was a huge success for them.

I don't understand, MS is starting next gen by pushing the One as being an all in one and they get slammed for it.

stuna11134d ago

@CommonSenseGammer

I don't think it's so much that the X1 is being marketed as a does everything machine, as it being a machine that is trying to change the landscape of gaming! DRM, Used game fees, Always on, or 24 hour game certification, and the biggest turnoff IMO a always on mic with a camera that required to even opperate the console! These are things that nobody asked for, and definately things that nobody wants.

creatchee1134d ago

@SexyGamerDude
"...SONY just isn't trying to shove all the social aspects down our throats, like MS is doing."

There's a gigantic SHARE button right on the PS4 controller. How is that any different???

SexyGamerDude1134d ago

Watch the PS4 announcement and watch the XboxOne announcement.

Compare them and there is your answer.

tarbis1134d ago (Edited 1134d ago )

It's not gigantic share button. It's small and tucked on the upper part of the controller too away from from primary buttons.
During the Sony conference they didn't shove "share this share that share here or share there" unlike what M$ was doing with "tv this tv that tv here and tv there".

creatchee1134d ago

Did either of you actually watch the Sony conference? They dedicated at least 20 minutes to "share this, share that". And no, it's not a literally gigantic button - but it features prominently on the controller. The fact that it is even on the controller means that Sony wants you to use it.

Regardless, both Xbox and Sony features are all optional! You could never use any of them if you so desire. You act as if Microsoft is holding a gun to our heads and telling us to watch TV. IT'S. AN. OPTIONAL. FEATURE.

Hicken1134d ago

What was Sony showing off your ability to share?

I'll give you a hint:

GAMES.

You lose.

Seriously, though. How can you NOT see the difference in the approach to the two companies' consoles? What social features Sony DID show off were centered on games.

Microsoft?

Not even close.

It's been like that for all of this generation, too. People like to say Microsoft is now being attacked for being an entertainment hub, while Sony was praised(forgetting that the people now defending Microsoft lambasted the PS3 for being a media hub), but the difference is that Sony positioned the PS3 as a gaming console with multimedia functions, while the Xbox has become a multimedia console that also plays games.

There's a HUGE difference in these two things. And the former is far better for gaming and gamers than the latter.

Surely, you can see this?

stuna11134d ago

The share button is there, but you don't have to use it! It's an option.

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SonyPS41134d ago (Edited 1134d ago )

PS3 fans are waiting to upgrade to PS4. All of my Xbox360 friends on the other hand are not "upgrading" to the One.

MS's core focus on digital entertainment wasn't even the worst part of the reveal. You have an anti-used games technology and a 24-hour offline mode, two of the problems neither PS4 or Wii U has. PS4 will likely go as far as online passes, but nothing like XOne's approach.

FrigidDARKNESS1134d ago

Death of console gaming has already started year ago when IOS devices have eroded the console market share so dont try to blame Microsoft. Its ridiculous how some people dont see or understand the ecomnomics and business side of gaming.

cyguration1134d ago

Except it's not eroding the console market:
http://www.cinemablend.com/...

Just the opposite is happening.

SexyGamerDude1134d ago (Edited 1134d ago )

I have a android device that I game on but it will never replace my console. I have a Tegra 3 and it still doesn't compare to console games. Gaming on Apple and Android devices is good on the go, but it doesn't compare to a at home console. The only part of the gaming market that these devices (barely) compete with are handhelds.

forum671134d ago

When did Farcry 3 got released for IOS ? Those are casual farmville players.

Jdoki1134d ago

That's not strictly true. There's some awesome core titles on iOS these days, but I'm not going to trade in my console any time soon. iOS games are a nice compliment to console gaming.

I'd suggest trying out Eclipse, Call of Cthulu, the Final Fantasy re-releases, Ascension, Nightfall, Bards Tale, Warhammer Quest (when it launches next week). Ace Patrol. Even XCom is getting a full release on iPad.

UnwanteDreamz1134d ago

"IOS devices have eroded the console market share"

I laughed real hard at that one. Portable devices are great but who trades the 50inch at home for an iPad?

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cyguration1134d ago

WTF is up with all the Pro-Corporate White Knight articles trying to defend and regale the death of gaming culture?

I mean these idiots know that they get their money from ad revenue so why would they promote the death of the industry from which they make their money?

Stupid.

Anyway, Sony clearly stated on stage that you can play OFFLINE just like that. I know I can buy a game and play offline. You can't know that for sure with the XB1, so how is it the same challenge?

Also, Sony getting first-adopters from core gamers is not a challenge. YOu know for a fact that your software and hardware will be 1 mil+ at the bare minimum (which is almost always the basic number hit for most PS3 exclusives).

Going after casuals like Nintendo tried to do with the Wii U was risky and DID NOT pay off. They'll have to unleash core games now to regain market standing. Given MS's horrible blunder I can easily foresee a few decent Nintendo exclusives recovering the Wii U so it turns into a Nintendo vs Sony battle during next-gen.

sway_z1134d ago (Edited 1134d ago )

I agree for the most part, but disagree on PS4 vs Wii U.

I think many Wii U owners will purchase PS4 and vice versa...both Wii U & PS4 can co-exist nicely.

denawayne1134d ago

You can game offline on PS4 as long as the game doesn't require you to go online. Sony even said it's up to the publishers if you are required to go online.

cyguration1134d ago

That's no different than FFXI or Dust 514 for the PS3.

But you don't need a 24 hour check-in with the PS4, they said it clean and clear as day (not in California anyway) that you don't need to be online to play games. YOU CAN PLAY GAMES OFFLINE.

It's like some fanboys refuse at all costs to believe them.