How has the mild-mannered Nintendo made so many enemies?
This "Nintendo is doomed" crap is nothing compared to the massive misinformation campaign against the PS3 before, during, and after its launch. As in "nothing", I reckon even until this very day. But like the PS3, Nintendo is going to be fine. Japanese video games will prevail.
"This "Nintendo is doomed" crap is nothing compared to the massive misinformation campaign against the PS3 before, during, and after its launch." I know right, at least with Nintendo it's coming from somewhere...people are scared of the console going up against the PS4 and Nextbox and question third party support for example. Nothing wrong with being a little scared... I just hate the ones who think Nintendo get it worse then Sony, the Sony hate has been no stop this gen. If we get 5 years into the Wii U and it's still happening then it's as bad.
And that is the reason I called you a fanboy in another article, Root. You have a huge persecution complex regarding Sony and only Sony. You really don't believe Nintendo hasn't been getting hate non-stop this gen? Does the Wii not ring any bells, or do you think that system wasn't prone to unfair criticism?
Phil32 the real fanboys are the ones who seek out and call other people fanboys Theres a huge difference from criticism and being a fanboy A fanboy would say "NITENDO SUCK, SONY ARE THE BEST, NO ONE CAN BEAT SONY" Stay on topic man, whats the point of commenting if your not even going to talk about the bloody article. Honestly no wonder theres so many arguments on here with people like you around. If were going by your logic then I could call you a Nintendo fanboy because your sticking up for them /s
If Microsoft camp learned their lesson well, they should know by now that calling all the powers of hell to beat a platform like PS3, and now the Wii U, will only incite rebel yells from highly opinionated people, ie. PS3 supporters, to sympathize with the bashed platform at hand. And look at what happened? M$ PR backfired on them. PS3 fans became more vigilant & supported the platform. The same thing can happen with Wii u fans. Don't piss them off. I know M$ will continue its casual investment with Kinect which puts it pretty much against Nintendo demographic. So the Nintendo bashing will continue.
That is untrue, the doom articles for Nintendo WiiU and the 3DS are right up there with the fabled ps3. There was even a mass amount of negative articles for the Wii that a lot of n4g posters glossed over only because of their own bias for the system.
Someone wasn't here for the old days of n4g... I think there's more criticism than blind hate for Nintendos new console because people already expect certain things of hd consoles thanks to ps3/360.
I dont think most people want N to fail, I believe people are more awre of what they buy. Does not matter what N makes, I will buy it cause I know first party rocks, but that does not prevent me from saying WII-U failed to visualised the future and brought to market 7 year old hardware currently used on PS3 and 360. a lemon taste bitter cause its a lemon, wii-u its last gen cause it was built like one, end of story. With that said, Nintendo will almost certain be my most wanted 1st party games from any console, sony will be my favorite mixed of games due to its capacity to produce multy IPs and MS will most ikely be my online gig cause like it or not its the best so far of the 3. I want big N to suceed, always did, but trth its what it it, multiple developers said it, it is last gen console. I said it, cause I know whats in it, my thoughts for Big N never changes, I love N 1st party and always dissapointed with the hardware, but as a gamer Im delighted they are here.
I would like to see the Wii U fail, but not Nintendo as a company. Why? Because I love Nintendo software but at the same time think that they put out the most awful hardware. Nintendo make great games but terrible consoles, and because of this I would like to see them exit the console business and produce software for other consoles instead, like Sega did after leaving the hardware business. I think that at the end of the day, that would benefit consumers most, because having to fork out so much cash for crappy hardware just to play one or two worthwhile Nintendo games per year really sucks. If Nintendo left the console business and started making games for PlayStation/Xbox consoles, consumers would be better off.
"at the same time think that they put out the most awful hardware." This gen both my 360 and PS3 died. My Wii from 2006 is still alive. Your idea of hardware only comes from a graphics standpoint. I'd rather have hardware that lasts like Nintendo's is historically known to do than something that will die in less than four years.
@Phil32 Oh don't get me wrong, I respect that Nintendo hardware is reliable, but that's about the only good that I can say of it. Dismissing any criticism of their hardware are purely graphics related is shortsighted though, I feel. I mean I do consider their weak hardware to be one issue, but there are also other issues too that are just as important. I mean their handling of online services is a prime example and something that I feel is terrible in pretty much every single way. Another reason I dislike their hardware is all the different controllers required. I mean for the Wii for example there was the Wii remotes and then the nunchucks, then the classic controller if you wanted something more traditional... Now the Wii U has the big touchscreen controller, but other games also use the Wii remotes and then there's the pro controller... I'd much rather see Nintendo making games for other consoles that rely solely on one controller you know? Rather than having to pull all sorts of stuff out depending on what you want to play. Are Nintendo consoles reliable? Yeah, but I really do think that the hardware is horrible in every other way from power, to accessories/controllers, to online play, to the operating system and everything else.
Fanboys and girls want what?
OH' now its Nintendo turn give it a rest will ya. if they was making CRACKERS you'll see "ITS CRUMBLING DOOM" Articles.
stopped by to see gaming news, got fanboy dribble...going back to play sonic racing transformed...
What Miyamoto said....the amount of propaganda, a lot of which was fueled by Microsoft too and their fanbase online and media giants, PS3 was hit hard at the first TWO YEARS of its launch cycle, Vita is going through the same thing and Honestly? I want Nintendo to Fail with strong solidity. 3DS practically FAILED at launch, it got barely any sales until they slashed the 3DS pricetag nearly in Half, the president of Nintendo then took it to himself to slash his pay salary as well for compensation and many other of the higher staff members. 3DS is selling well now and at a profit loss because of that slashcut, it was a double-edged sword. Promising sales #, but at a cost of no profit gain and surely the stockholders weren't pleased in a degree. I honestly, want Wii U to fail, not because of some fanboy-like desire, and not because of an emotional hatred and desire to see them go 'bankrupt' or just 'lose'. I want Nintendo to seriously get into a series of problems that will reinforce them to rethink their strategies, rethink what they've been doing the last 3 generations and to get back to their older selves. I feel Nintendo lost themselves to greed after the Wii, Nintendo was always about their consumers from NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube was also a direction towards the consumer but it was the wrong direction....but it was still an attempt FOR the consumer and their fanbase of stronger hardware for better visuals for the gamers. Wii wasn't about the gamer, it was for innovation which then to me? It got to their heads to milk the casuals, to gain as much profit as possible as they lost their sight on what is important that of which Sony continues to support, Sony loses profits a fuckload but still pumps out awesome games, new IP's, new everything. Nintendo plays it too safe and sticks to their Mario games and Zelda games over and over with barely any risk, yet those risks are apparent even with trivial things used on Wii U and 3DS in their gimmicks and/or 'features' like the Wii U controller which can have both promise and silliness. Sony became arrogant and launched PS3 thinking fans would just bumrush it and buy it at launch....it backfired....Sony literally fucking fixed their ways and went BACK in my honest opinion. Nintendo? Not yet.....they've yet to see the errors in which the fanboys of Nintendo are blind and are incapable of seeing this at majority since they are content with the Mario/Zelda pumpings. So, yes! Nintendo, I hope they fail so they can change back to being the company that was awesome in the good ol' days.
I think, only childish another brand fanboy's want/happy Nintendo to fail. This people say: the graphics its a God! Only the graphics.
nintendo is too kiddy we want blood we want guns sad gaming generation :(
We want 6-7 hours movie. Sorry, "Interactive" games. Sad.
you call people in your above comment "only childish another brand fanboy's" now what we should call you for this comment ?!
Nintendo never to fail. Why? Simple. Many unique and innovative games all time.
Nintendo haters are the worst types of people. Seriously, Nintendo fans are mostly kids, people with families, mellow people, manchildren, etc. Nintendo haters are the kind of people who bully children, pick fights, are angry all the time, hate everything, have no joy in their lives, etc
Don't take it so personally...they hated PS3 and loved 360 for so many years...now they love PS3 again and are wetting themselves for PS4. They dump on MS/Kinect....360 has no recent exclusive games blah, blah Wii U is the 'FISHER PRICE' of video games consoles and will probably get dumped on until its successor (if) comes out. They will probably hate PS4 after 3 months released, then they will love MS again...and yes we all hate elitist PC demi-god gamers and vice versa...being a gamer can sometimes be a vicious circle. ...Have you not noticed that's the trend here on N4G?
I love Nintendo, but the Wii U is just a giant miss step so far. Has nothing to do with being kiddy or not being interested in their work, but the Wii U just feels boring. I feel like the combination of lack of software, high price, and dated technology is just going to bite them in the ass this time. If the tablet was more thought out, or used better technology so it could be used as a tablet and not just a remote or game controller, than it would be worth the $350 price tag. When next Xbox and Playstation hit, Nintendo is going to be in a really awkward spot if they dont cut the price, which they have said they wont be doing anytime soon. I don't think Nintendo will "fail", but this might be like the gamecube generation where they just couldn't keep up with Sony.
When you look at it people want nintendo and sony to fail but never microsoft, and i dont know why microsoft just glorifies shooters, heck they pretty much left their fanbase for the casuals at least when nintendo had the wii they went after the casual and still went after their core base, and sony has new ips and returning series and all are amazing quality, dont really see why people want those 2 to fail.
Sorry, but I really do want a Wii U for my nextgen gaming.. I think it's awesome.
Nintendo are a great entity in gaming. My only issue is that they should provide more new IPs in terms of first party. The Monolithsoft 'X' RPG is a good start, but their reliance on the familiar is sort of off-putting and it's starting to be more apparent. I love 3DS and its games, but Wii U needs new compelling IPs created by Nintendo themselves. Third party will be just the same as it was this generation with the Wii. It will miss out on some of the best in third party because of the hardware differences when PS4 and the next Xbox come out, so it's important from my perspective to make a lot more effort to put out original content, and not rely on companies like Platinum Games (Bayonetta 2). I say all this because I will be getting a Wii U, but I want more from Nintendo themselves than franchises they feel safe in repeating.
Cause there are many,many childish "individuals" in this world, who seem to be enslaved by the videogame-industry. The word "fun" looses meaning, instead childish battles take like this take place.
i agree, i dont see how anyone can defend a freakin logo, a company that truly does not care about them, we all know that the only thing that most companies want is your money, and none of that money is going into these corporate slaves pockets. EDIT: wow disagrees for talking sense fanboys, i got a question for you.... how does it taste.
People search out negativity, and the media knows it. You can't flip on the news without hearing about another shooting, espn covering the dismal Lakers, and in this case anytime a game console is launched; PS3, DS, 3DS, Vita, and now the WiiU. It's sad but true.
Correct. Apparently we have lost all self esteem and we need to tear down others and watch people fall from grace.
Thank you! How can people disagree with this??? Self-denial runs rampant on this site...
Why would someone want Nintendo to fail? I have been criticizing them a lot lately because I don't want them to fail, yet people like to flaunt the word,"troll" at any form of negativity. Those oversensitive/paranoid about these articles are just as annoying...
I dont want them to fail, it would be nice if they got with the modern times and stopped trying to pass lastgens hardware off as next gen just to save money.
It's because Nintendo cannot compete in an arms race with the other two companies. It's as simple as that. Iwata has even said that himself, so that is the reason why Nintendo does a different route. Saving money is an obvious ulterior motive, but it's not the main reason. I don't know if you've noticed this, but Nintendo does not have a movie, TV, or computer division to fall back on like Sony and MS do if their gaming side of the business fails. They have to be smart about their money, and making an incredibly powerful console costs a lot of money, especially if it bombs.
we don't want them to fail us.
Nintendo has it's problems but they are a company that has withstood the worst. The third parties don't want to deal with Nintendo, and haven't since the SNES days. Not to mention that with companies' collective share prices plummeting to all time lows; 3rd parties will naturally gravitate towards the PS4 and the 720, due to the bigger possible investment from shareholders who believe that the videogame bubble hasn't burst. 2013 will be an interesting year.
Ya. I dont get whats with the hate. I mean, I can understand some criticism, but it's just every single day with this stuff. And it's even worse in other websites like neogaf. Personally, if anyone wants my two cents, I think they'll do great come fall. They seem to be gathering a really good lineup based on the direct video and it hasnt even been E3 yet. We still have Retro's game, 3d mario, smash bros., Mario kart, possibly Miyamoto's new game, and a lot more. In the mean time, Sony and Micro will be busy trying to sell the world their own new hardware which should give Nintendo a nice hole in which they can prove themselves. They'll be fine. Worst case scenario is that they'll sell the same amount as gamecube and n64. In which case they will still make profit and come back in about five years and try all over again with a new strategy.
Plain and simple, YOU ARE A FOOL if you wish failure on any of the big three console makers. You are ignorant and don't understand business and how there needs to be competition to push each other. Just look at Madden, WWE and a host of other things that have absolutely no competition. They form a symbiont circle with one another and what happens to one will have an affect on the others. I just hope those people predicting doom on Nintendo remember those numbers when the next Xbox and PlayStation release. I doubt we see huge numbers right out the gate, especially with the economy as bad as it is and with the huge install base for the other consoles, we are still getting new Bioshock, Tomb Raider, Splinter Cell, Metal Gear and GTA games on current hardware! People might be slower to adopt then a lot of you might realize. There has never before been such console saturation and with such high adoption rates.
You sir speak the truth. Competition breeds innovation. Without competitors pushing companies to try harder then we are left with nothing. Look what happened when it was just AOL as the main ISP. It sucked and there was no hope for the consumers.
the whole "competition" argument only applies to sony and microsoft really, when you actually to the time to look at the results. sony and microsoft push each other in terms of features and tech power. what did the wii push? what was the result of the wii's competition with the PS3 and xbox? the kinect and the move. i think that says it all right there nintendo is simply not contributing anything of substance to the hardware industry. all they are contributing, hardware wise, is casual gimmick nonsense. you can thumb this down all you want, but that is THE TRUTH. so I will flat out say it. if consoles like the wii and wii u are all that nintendo is capable or wiling to produce anymore, then they should not be making console hardware at all and, in that respect, they do deserve to fail and go the route of sega. and that might not be too unlikely. nintendo is bleeding more money than sony and the wii u is not future proofed in any way. if the wii u is their last console, its probably for the best
You don't think Nintendo pushes Sony or Microsoft? While you might think the Wii was a gimmick, it managed to win the generation pretty easily. Microsoft and Sony followed suit pretty quick in order to capture some of that market. Also, did you see what Sony released lately? PlayStation All Stars? LittleBigPlanet Karting? If you think Sony doesn't pay attention to Nintendo, you are wearing some blinders for sure. Every company tries to follow the leader as it were. Also, Nintendo turned profit last quarter, they made money. I think that speaks for itself, we don't even need to bring up the handheld numbers I hope?? You are probably one of the more ignorant people I've seen on this site, Nintendo has saved the industry in the past and reinvented themselves at a time when they needed to, they always lead the way with handheld consoles and their first party games are obviously looked at as second to none. Both Microsoft and Sony would feel the pressure if Nintendo closed up shop, Nintendo has ALWAYS been about fun and gameplay, never about power. The most powerful console has NEVER won a generation. Think on that a while and get back to me bro.
why is there a large negative outlook on nintendo? 1) the obnoxious nintendo fanboys. people who act like nintendo is still the "be all end all" of the gaming industry. when anyone with an ounce of insight can see that nintendo isnt pushing any sort of innovation. all they are pushing are casual gimmicks. These nintendo fanboys do more than anyone to turn people off the nintendo brand. these are people who still cant even bring themselves to admit that the PS2 had a better library than the gamecube or that motion control gaming was gimmick. we are talking about the single most delusional group of fanboys to ever exist. so naturally people like rubbing it in their faces when their hype comes crashing down. 2) its not that people want nintendo to fail. its that people want nintendo to stop failing, and actually start taking this seriously. anyone who isnt a total fanboy can see that, lately, nintendo has been consistently catering to casuals, flaking out on console tech, failing to keep up in online/multimedia features, watering down their games to be easier, and rehashing the same franchises over and over. People see nintendo as a company that is failing to meet its past standards. nintendo is a shadow of what it once was. "90s nintendo" takes a dump all over "modern day nintendo." people are just sick of the low standards.
I like how people assume this and that about the wii u and I will say this and only this the wii u is more powerful then the ps3 and 360 now by how much WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL A FULL SPEC SHEET IS RELEASED then people can see how much more powerful it really is and that's it ha lol and I'm sure it can hang with the ps4 and 720 and all of them getting a multi pkat in 2015 called HUMAN ELEMENT proves it but people will keep hating but its also funny how many times nintendo has been doomed yet sold a lot and shut everyone up with really good games and I'm sure its going to happen again and again and again kids these days
All three companies have gotten this at some point. It's like wolves they see a perceived weakness and attack. Why? Because it's popular and people flock to it.
I think alot of gamers (especially those 25 and over) are really pissed off with Nintendo because they've pretty much ignored their hardcore fan base in recent years. That's speaking for myself and many of my friends anyway. The Wii U is the first Nintendo console I haven't bought (and most likely won't buy) since the SNES. Mainly because it's old tech and doesn't offer what I'm looking for in a console. That and IMO the Wii sucked badly (regardless of sales numbers). Gone are the days where I just blindly buy Nintendo systems at launch as I've lost faith in them. My faith is now in Sony due to all their great exclusives. I'll possibly get the next Xbox too as I enjoyed the 360 also this gen.
I dunno man, I liked my Wii, sure it had a TON of shovelware but it also had a lot of great exclusive games like Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Metroid Prime 3, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Smash Bros., Epic Yarn, Punch Out, Tasunoko vs Capcom, Rhythm Heaven, Muramasa(Which is actually coming to the Vita now and it looks awesome). There's more but I don't wanna waste anymore time. Honestly given the approach Nintendo took with the Wii by marketing it to the casual crowd pretty much from the start put a lot of people off. Its only been two months and I can already see that they're trying to do better with the Wii U. The fact that they already announced stuff like Monolith's "X", Shin Megami Tensei vs Fire Emblem, a Wind Waker Remake, and a new smash bros, 3D Mario, Mario Kart and Retro's game to be shown off at E3. And games like Pikmin 3, Rayman, The Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2 and Game and Wario still in the pipeline and the Wii U is looking really good to me so far. Also the 3DS is getting awesome support right now, it's lineup for the year looks really great so far. I never was a one console person though, my Wii sits proudly next to my PS3, and I know once I get my hands on a Wii U and a PS4, they'll look quite nice side by side. Btw, I'm not knocking you for not liking the Wii, and not buying another Nintendo console. That's your choice bro and I respect that.
most so-called 'hardcore gamers' here have got to be kidding? i have a ps3 and an xbox360 and love them both, but if nintendo bombed in the games industry the last bastion of innovation, creative genius and downright JOY we all experience from being lost in the game worlds would be lost forever. personally, i believe that nintendo deserves more respect from the public akin to an elderly statesman who has seen and done it all and mastered their chosen profession. you could compare nintendo with disney, another company that has tried and trusted formula for entertaining/jolting something magical inside of us, and if you think that this is all sentemental crap, then wait until you have kids, and experience nintendo thru their eyes as u bond over mario, luigi and the age old story of a princess being captured again. nintendo choose their own path. they are gaming royalty, like it or not, and sony and microsoft would give anything to have a team such as nintendo ead on their books, and at least ATTEMPT to bottle that unique indefinable esscence that only nintendo routinely produce, with little effort. im amazed at the level of brilliance with some of the wii top games, and it was as powerful as an empty shoebox! and most people wonder why nintendo fans are ecstatic over a more powerful hd console?!
the only people who want nintendo to fail are PS3 fanboys because they know nintendo and their Wii u is a THREAT. They are also bitter of their sister product Vita which was destroyed easily and swiftly by its arch nemesis 3DS. I never hear any nonfanboys or even Microsoft talk shit about nintendo. its always Sony boys
I definitely don't want the wiiu to fail. I want to see so many of my fave game series on the wiiu so that I can justify buying it. Give us new fire emblem, advance wars, Mario and luigi RPGs, donkey kong, Zelda, metroid, Kirby etc. THE NEW GAMES THEY COULD PUMP OUT ARE LITERALLY ENDLESS. Iwata needs to stop talking out his anus about the friggin console and devs need to start making some great games.
People want N to fail and go software only, because they like N games but are to cheap to buy N hardware. I see no problem to have a second console only for N games, I don't care for third party support on N console. N said it may times, if somehow the go down they will take their IP's with them. But that will never ever happen, because of gamers like me. For every generation I choose one console to be for multi platform games, so Ms Sony or else fight to take that place, but N is my second console no matter what.
PS3 : Welcome to my world WiiU.
The people who want Nintendo to fail and waste their time calling them are usually adolescent teen males trying to convince others and themselves that they are mature because they don't play kids games and that violent games are what defines them as a hardcore gamer, pretty immature and juvenile if you ask me, Mario games are for everyone not just kids, fact not opinion.
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