California State Senator Leland Yee makes a statement that gamers should not defend the gaming industry.
Oh boy, his head is way too far up his butt. Gamers will quiet down when you idiotic politicians stop being so ridiculous about our hobby.
Well that explains why everything he says sounds like crap to me.
@Manchild Big deal. He could be a genius in human peace and order; wouldn't necessarily make what he's saying right. People have a right to complain when something harmless that they enjoy could potentially be threatened by irrational fear and ignorance. Gamers have every right to have their voices be heard by the very people who are supposed to be representing them.
@Manchild That was either some high level trolling, or the single most ridiculous statement I have ever read on N4G... Do yourself a favour, if you're going to insult every gamer with your ludicrous statements do it elsewhere, we like games here at N4G and we want to protect our right to play them un inhibited by out of touch morons like Lee, I couldn't care less if he's some bigshot he sounds like a total ass to me, if you're going to dictate to others what entertainment they should and shouldn't indulge themselves in you better have bloody good idea what you're talking about. I have no idea what your doing on here defending the enemy of our beloved hobby, but what you're saying certainly doesn't sound like something a gamer would say, so what the hell are you doing trolling on N4G?
Do you guys need an s/ by every comment to understand when someone is using sarcasim? Come on people lighten up, Manchild is clearly being facetious... I hope.
@JackBNimble Actually no, he was just being a twat, this is his DM convo with me. "Manchild :P zerocrossing Are you actually a gamer or just here to troll? Cause I don't think any self respecting gamer could defend Lee's actions and spew the the ridiculous shit you just came out with. Manchild 5 lol. Oh you uneducated imbecile! zerocrossing "uneducated imbecile!" does that ever work on anyone? Look I see what you're doing, you're a sad, lonely, pathetic little troll right? See Im not respnding to you or paying any attention to you anymore, so I would'nt bother replying but waste your time if you must. Manchild Two words: Fuck you :* Re: BTW i gtg can we continue this later? I'd love to wipe ur pathetic uneducated ass all over N4G's floor but alas, i gtg! Didn't your mother give you milk? And why didn't they provide you with sufficient education ?? Why were you born the wrong way??? Ofcourse you don't know!! Its not ur fault :) Cheer up, cunt" His account is just over 4 hours old too, clearly trolling.
@Manchild I believe it was German philosopher Immanuel Kant who said, "Peace is an unnatural state for human society." Though I digress the world was just as chaotic before the 66 years of existence of video games.
I totally agree with manchild. We should just sit here and say nothing as he, as a successful politican, keeps snorting his coke and having threesomes with a bunch of prostitutes while talking crap about other people's hobbies and ridiculing them for it... /sarcasm ends
He's powerful- that doesn't mean he can't be ignorant.
Manchild is why they need to add an "Idiot" debubble option even though it would be immensely abused.
I wonder if he understands that he is undermining the fundamental principles of democracy by telling people not to speak up concerning political policy... This guy needs to leave politics...now.
Couldn't you tell? Sorry i hurt a lot of butts :P
@ Zerocrossing: It IS crap: The only reason why politicians are going after games is because right now games have very little to lobby over, which means that a very lucrative industry is not giving politicians money for regulation; once laws are oppressing developers and they start being fined for making a game, then they will have to step-up on defending themselves, and then you'll see more lobbies and political groups for games, which means more money for politicians. Right now, there's basically one lobby, but politicians are trying to separate violent games from other games, which means violent game will have their own regulation, which means two or more groups will have to "render unto Caesar", if you follow me. Why do you think everything is so regulated now, but everything is very bad for you? Food is regulated, but you have things in food that can slowly kill you like hydrogenated oils. (look it up, it puts a coat of goo inside of your arteries that DOESN'T come out easily, if at all; which causes heart attacks and high blood pressure) Medicine is regulated, but there are pills our there right now that can make a certain percentage of the population commit suicide. (others can cause things like gout, violent outbursts, insanity, depression, or even intensify the condition it's suppose to treat; again, look it up!) Once violent games get regulation, rules will be enacted to make games very tame, and then developers will have to put money in the pockets of politicians to make games more violent, and that is what this is all about.
If his bill was struck down by the Supreme Court you would think he would quiet down. The more he tells people to shut up the less likelihood people will.
This guy is what I call, and not seriously, a Mastermind. Someone who knows what is best for everyone. Someone put into power by God himself to look over the stupid masses and prevent us from destroying ourselves. He is no smarter than the typical citizen. If he were he would not be a politician who doesn't produce anything useful. He would be an innovator in the private sector creating products and services that enhance our lives. This is guy is a hack.
These days, the only way to get respect in America is to play victim while acting above everyone else. If gamers were to send politicians death threats for so much as discussing games, got expensive lawyers, and whined about how disrespected they are, we would be taken seriously. That's how all the "poor disrespected" groups do it these days. Meanwhile, the media and politicians are going to continue to talk about gamers like they're ticking time bombs anyway.
Nowadays, or perhaps always depending on context, the word "gamer" is used as derogatory. I'd wager that a majority of people that play games would not call themselves gamers. Over 80% of Americans play games in some fashion. This guy just wants us to be quiet because he knows he has a weak argument. If his case was strong he should welcome the debate, and use it to prove why he is right. To say we have no credibility in this argument is just laughable. I'd wager at least 1/2 of the people on here are more informed about this kind of stuff than he is, even if sparingly or generally so. This same guy had issues with gun control, some of which I agreed with. I wonder how well it would have gone over if he told gun owners they should just quiet down because they had no credibility. Edit: Since his facebook page was brought up further down the page, I thought I would post his response to this Leland Yee Gamers, I admittedly didnt use best words to SFchron. Meant video game industry has inherent conflict of interest in the gun violence debate. End Quote Again I say...should the gun manufacturers and owners also quiet down because they have a inherent conflict of interest? The answer is No. They have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to voice their opinion and provide data to back up their arguments. We may not agree with them, or him, but since he is bringing the debate forward, it is up to him to provide evidence to support his claims...if only to enlighten us.
His more intelligent then the losers on n4g
"His more intelligent then the losers on n4g" Congratulations. you've proven yourself right.
These lawmakers and politicians don't know squat..
"he introduced the 2005 bill that made sales of M rated games to minors a crime, which was later struck down by the Supreme Court." Well he was right there. It should be a crime. That's the issue. He needs to appeal that and have it reinstated.
Yeh that seemed kind of moderate considering what hes saying now. Also I apparently have an interest in the gaming industry because its a billion-dollar industry. ... Am I owed money or something? I seriously thought I played games because I liked them but I have a hidden motive of course... /s -_-
Until you realize that in the same bill it also made it illegal for me to buy M rated games for my kids in the future. Shouldn't I as a parent have the right to decide what my kids play since I know my kids better than the government?
Oh really? Article didn't mention in that way but this guy is pathetic for trying to push that threw. Did the bill make it illegal for you to buy the game for a minor or illegal for a minor to play the game... Or both?
The first. They basically wanted sales of M rated games to be handled like cigarettes & alcohol. As is you have to be 17 to purchase a M rated title. Buying M rated games for minors isn't prosecuted. The bill looked to change that, prosecuting sales people(which is one thing, don't mind them enforcing already existing policies) that sell to minors but also individuals purchasing the M rated titles for minors, IE parents in many instances. Thus why the bill was struck down. If they want to fine retailers or employees for selling M rated games to people under 17 that's ok with me. That policy already exists and wanting to enforce that isn't bad. Wanting to fine me for purchasing the newest Call of Duty game or something for my kids when I believe it's ok for them to play those titles isn't.
So any minor can go watch a R-rated movie, yet playing a game is a crime? Ok then. How about we stop underage drinking, use of drugs and all that other sh*t first before putting in laws about games.
Actually, several states have added further age restrictions on R-rated movies. My state being one of them. -_-
You can't appeal it, the Supreme Court is the highest judicial authority, there's no court above them to hear the appeal. And I don't the sale to minors should be a crime. Most stores have a policy in place that prevents them from buying it anyways.
I don't think you can appeal once the supreme court makes their decision. Most you can do is change it in some way to make it constitutional. I don't think it should be a crime. In 2008 the FTC found that 80% of the time minors were not able to purchase M rated games. They reaffirmed this in 2011 I believe. It actually went up a bit to 83% I think. This is because most retailers have that policy in place, and isn't something that needs to be regulated by the government.
sonicsidewinder your opinion is laughable at best.
i want politicians to shut up while i bash them.
Exactly and we continue playing what we want to play!