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Submitted by SoundGamer 749d ago | news

Pachter: Wii U A New Console Using Last-Gen Technology

GXC: "Industry analyst Michael Pachter is no stranger to statements that have received a bit of backlash on the internet from the gaming community. Still, he is respected by many in the industry itself as one of the go-to people for the state of the video games market. One of his latest statements was ... centered on Nintendo’s upcoming system, the Wii U." (Michael Pachter, Nintendo, Wii U)

Schawk  +   750d ago
YYAAWWWWNNN! yea like consoles are gonna be the testing ground for ground breaking new electronics
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-Mika-  +   750d ago
You know he wasn't saying that. The WiiU is just barely an upgrade compared to the ps3/360. They invested so much money towards the controller but they didn't t invest toward the hardware.
metroid32  +   749d ago
Well what the hell was AMD an IBM doing then for the last 2/3 years with them custom chips ? zero latency and lag easy to code for ect indie friendly,what did Michael Ancel say then about the textures in rayman on how they did movie quality textures and forgot to compress it and it still handled it so its no slouch in the hardware department,shinen also said they havnt scratched the surface and 1080p games at 60fps just take more dev time,Michael Ancel also said th wiiu has no Ram/Memory constraints what so ever ??? Wiiu is powerful and until Metroid/Zelda/MarioKart/FZero/ Donkeykong/Smashbros ect land its patchers job to bash Nintendo before Retro /Nintendos game engine is shown to public with its 1st and 3rd party games that we know are in development.
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Shok  +   750d ago
Didn't know the 360 and PS3 were using GPGPU's........
SlavisH2  +   749d ago
Didn't know wiiU games run 1080p... oh wait :(

Pachter knows a little more then members here
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victoryscreeeeeech  +   749d ago
Some do games run on 1080p just not all of them, and what more does he know? He essentially blurted that the wii u has last gen power and walked away. No info to back it up, that is just trolling. He knows no more than u or me
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Shok  +   749d ago
Yep, cause every 360 and PS3 launch title was running at 720p 60 FPS......oh wait...........
ninjabake  +   749d ago
If playing in 720p native hinders your enjoyment of a videogame I don't know what to tell you bro. The name of the game is still entertainment and graphics play a role in that but it isn't going to break the experience entirely.

Pachter gets paid to run his mouth off be it positively or negatively. Its expected for him to say the things he says, it doesn't mean what he says holds anymore credence and again, doesn't affect your enjoyment of YOUR games.
MegaLagann  +   749d ago
There'a already plenty of games in 1080p. Also, Pachter is a glorified Nostradamus. Someone who makes predictions with no facts. He said Nintendo made the Wii U Pro Controller because Activision threatened they wouldn't put COD on Wii U unless that made an optional traditional controller. He then said he has no proof, it's just a good guess. I'm fucking serious. He's been wrong 95% of the time, he knows nothing about game hardware, he just crunches numbers and when he does that he screws up.
BitbyDeath  +   749d ago
'Pachter is a glorified Nostradamus.'

Nostradamus is famous for predicting things right though....
coolman229  +   748d ago
Oh my gosh. How can you say that?!

It's "than!" Not "then!"
pixelsword  +   749d ago
I'm rusty with this, but if I'm not mistaken the concept behind GPGPU is a GPU doing stuff usually reserved for the CPU. The Cell/RSX (Ideally) does this but mostly in reverse in that they take the stuff usually reserved for the GPU and put it on the CPU.

They said something like that in a God of war article on Eurogamer (got link)

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

From what I understand, it can be done the other way around as well, but I'm not sure about that.

The best thing from what I understand,if you get everything right and code efficiently, the throughput is incredible for either the cell or GPGPU. Which is why on the PS3 Lair's levels were so big but took almost no time to load.

I expect this and more from GPGPU, but I would not say that the concepts or techniques will begin on consoles first, as PC's have been doing this before the PS3 came out, just in different ways; so Before the Wii U, the concept was on the PS3; and before the PS3, The concept was on the PC (maybe not for games, but for other things).

That's (probably kinda) why when Sony did that folding at home, they got one PFLOP out of the PS3... Blue Gene did 280 TFLOPS to compare. I think the program was used to get high throughput from the PS3 in a way they could not get out of PCs... or at least come up with a comprehensive program to work on all PCs as different PCs were connected and folding at the same time with different cards, CPUs, GPUs, etc.,.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the WiiU at all because it's newer hardware, I was just trying to say that GPGPU isn't something you buy off of the shelves per se, it's more about computing: which is using hardware AND software.
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Ihaa  +   749d ago
Im not entirely sure about coding on consoles but GPGPU allows you to access the GPU as if it was a CPU in a sense that you have the ability to control every byte of memory on the GPU whether its shared,global,local,etc. What PS3 and 360 most likely use are shaders that give you a very limited amount of flexibility in terms of programming on the GPU. Sure they get the job done but you have to follow the pipeline created by the shaders. You can't do something drastically different without suffering from performance loss and inefficiencies. Also, correct me if im wrong but PS3 has a fixed pipeline so you can't necessarily program the shaders as much as you can on 360. The fact that the cell offsets work for the PS3 isn't really a feature like GPGPU because CPU's were always very easy to program for. The GPU's were always very unknown because you would have shaders or drivers that don't let you access all of the features a certain GPU has to give. So is it newer technology that doesn't exist on current gen consoles? Yes as consoles now only let you access the GPU from shaders which are limited.
miyamoto  +   749d ago
Why so serious?
PS3 and 360 are current gen

May be by last gen technology he is talking about the ill fated but most loved console - (drum roll please)...

The SEGA DREAMCAST!

Like the Wii U it was small, it was the least powerful of its competitors, have motion controls, on line gaming, internet browser,
.... and most of all it has a controller with an LCD screen - that you have to look back & forth from the TV, check inventory, play games on etc., rumble, ABXY face buttons, analog stick placed on the upper left of the controller, concave LR triggers that very much resembles the Xbox 360 controller like the Wii U Pro Controller.

I could be wrong but the similarities are very very obvious.
coolman229  +   748d ago
Yes. You are wrong.
chadboban  +   750d ago
Holy crap!

Here we are constantly debating the specs of this thing like idiots and Pachter has had them all along. I knew Pachter was pretty big in the games industry but to have that kind of inside info is something else. C'mon man spill the beans already. Also can you tell us what the specs of the PS4 and 720 are, seeing that you are so privy to these things. Thanks Pach!
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PopRocks359  +   750d ago
Okay, NOW I want to smack him. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to back it up with this kind of crappy misinformation.
Jinkies  +   750d ago
I would say it's in between it's a little bit more powerful then this gen but in my opinion I don't think it will be powerful enough to keep up with the PS4 and Nextbox. Developers will learn they can do more things with the PS4/Nextbox and develop games for that aswell...still they have untill 2014 to supply the Wii U with third party games.
ChickeyCantor  +   749d ago
" In my opinion " ...As if benchmarks can't be measured.

You don't say " In my opinion the color blue is red ". It either is blue or it isn't.
Jinkies  +   749d ago
an opinion is an opinion

Like it, don't like it...I'm not looking for your approval. I'm just stating what I think on the current situation.
ChickeyCantor  +   749d ago
I wasn't trying to appeal for approval. I'm simply explaining that what you said made no sense. You don't say " in my opinion" to something that can be measured. It's either true or not.

It's not a matter of me liking your " opinion". It simply makes no sense in this context.

No hard feelings though.
metroid32  +   749d ago
What part of wiiu isnt going to be a good as ps4 ?

It has Compute shaders/2gig Ram/Shader model 5.0/massive disc space/tons of EDram shared across gpgpu and cpu/it uses opengl 4.1basically dx11 features but at a higher level/a second window in the gameworld ie Gamepad/supports 3TB harddrives/supports HCSD cards/Has a dedicated sound processor that handles un compressed sound at 5.1 surround and more/miiverse and nintendo network ID's, Hmmmmmm this is like 2/3 gens in front of ps3.
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ozstar  +   749d ago
Constantly surprised by the extent of hypocracy in his statements when Apple do the exact same thing as Nintendo, and they charge EVEN MORE.
Megaton  +   749d ago
Not quite. It's a limbo console. Not as bad as this gen, presumably not as good as Sony and Microsoft's next gen offerings. Stuck in the middle, between gens, like the Wii.
chronoforce  +   749d ago
spot on , the wii u is like a perfected 7th generation console, gen 7.5 rather than 8, the only thing 8th generation about the wii u is the fact it coming after the 7th. Its still going to be be a great console
ronin4life  +   749d ago
I always find myself amazed at just how stupid he is... I don't know if that is because I'm too nice or he just gets stupider and stupider every time he speaks...

Maybe a bit of both...
@.@
e-p-ayeaH  +   749d ago
How is this guy relevant in the industry is beyond me.
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FinalomegaS  +   749d ago
FFS... why do sites always interview him.
Jadedz  +   749d ago
It's business (as usual for Pachter)
I believe he does this for attention. We've (this is where the word "hardcore gamer" comes into play) all read about the Wii U's specs from the Iwata asks reports, and what not - this dude apparently hasn't (or is oblivious to the fact that it exist). Nintendo's even occurring a lost on each Wii U unit sold.

Is he even trying anymore?
metroidfusion2  +   749d ago
How come so many people are stupid on this site and so many others why don't people do their fuckin research
FinalomegaS  +   749d ago
i take it that the disagree fairy passed by in this thread and landed us all (we've been targeted lol)

Must be a patcher fan... jeez to think there's even one out there (1 to many)
MegaLagann  +   749d ago
Holy shit, the 360 and PS3 have a GPGPU? They also have 2 GB of RAM? Geez, never knew, thanks for being so informative Pachter!

Wait, he said months ago that he thinks PS4/720 will be modest leaps, but bashes the Wii U because it's a modest leap?
1upgamer99  +   749d ago
I agree with you, but for Nintendo this is a HUGE leap over Wii. Nextbox and PS4 are NOT going to be the leap people think they are, I mean how real do you NEED your games to be? Back when PS2 was out Gamecube was out and BLEW PS2 graphically out of the water, now PS2 was the biggest selling system ever, but Gamcube had it going on. People talked crap about Wii, but seem to forget that Gamecube was WAY better it had around 2X the power of PS2. Now for me I will have my Zelda, Metroid, Bayonetta2 , Galaxy, Fatal Frame, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Zombi U, and a ton of other stuff all TRUE HD not just upscaled and Also REAL TIME weapons switching on games like Assassins Creed, No pausing, all I can say is thank you Nintendo, and this guy is WRONG Nintendo is not using old Tech, in fact they will once again be COPIED by the others.
metroid32  +   749d ago
Read my comment above the wiiu is in fact 2/3 generations ahead of ps3 and with them rumoured ps4 specs wiiu has zero to worry about seriously.
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Ck1x  +   749d ago
I have to agree about something you said. The rumored PS4 specs really aren't that impressive for what people have been hyping it up to be and im taking it into account that they have a marginally powerful dedicated GPU to run in tandem with the custom APU. Yes it will be more powerful than WiiU, but many Sony fans claim this system will make WiiU look SD in comparison. I hate to say it folks, but those specs will not achieve such a feat... If Michael Ancel says that Rayman was running using movie quality textures uncompressed. Then this system will have awhile before its full capabilities are reached.
1upgamer99  +   749d ago
Really? I did not know that PS3 and Microsoft had a Touch screen gamepad and so much ram and a newly developed processor just for gaming...Hmmm...wow that's old tech...what the hell ever this guy is fanboy period....so I guess I will listen to people WORKING ON WII U Like this... http://www.nintendolife.com...
Wii U is Powerful, powerful!! what the freak do you want a console to do? Your laundry or play games? If Assassins Creed looks that good and Wii U has the power to do MUCH MORE than that, WTF do you want...I mean really...At this point and time ITS ABOUT THE GAMES NOT THE GRAPHICS.......
AO1JMM  +   749d ago
Pachtor doesnt know a damn thing about tech. He is just trolling the Nintendo fans.
FinalomegaS  +   749d ago
this might be the most accurate statement about him...

I guess in the gaming world he will be our nemesis for years to come.
MegaLagann  +   749d ago
He's trolling anyone of common sense if he thinks Wii U uses last gen technology.
Stroke666  +   749d ago
Ok, enough is enough, Pachter get paid more to be a pr!ck. Second I'm so so so tired of ass and a halfs saying the wii u won't be able to compete with other consoles that aren't set to come out for a year or two. You know nothing about the specs of the consoles at all so pretty much u don't know how they'll fair against the wii u. I've yet to hear a decent reason as to why people don't like or aren't interested in the wii u. Its kinda like when the wii came out and the unhardcore crowd bashed it for the motion contols but were the first d!cks in line for the kinect and move. Sonysoft is already trying to mimic the gamepad and its not even out yet. This is because its a great idea and they know it just like motion controls were (though maybe not as revolutionary) . Learn to give credit where credt s due
RFornillos4  +   749d ago
the fact is, every console when it does come out is using a last-gen technology. by the time the xbox 720/ps4 comes out, its technology would be outdated by the PC.

if you truly want a next-gen machine, get a PC!

however, we all know the reason why PC's don't get too many exclusives. so fact is, it doesn't matter what "gen" a console is, as long it provides the games with gameplay the fans enjoy, that's what matters.
nypifisel  +   749d ago
Oh boy, here we go again!

People really got to understand that Michael Pachter is an analyst, he has no clue what so ever when it comes to hardware! Though I don't have any specifics what I do have is an educated guess seeing how I've actually studied computer engineering. Pachter is probably very good when it comes to economics but it ends at that.

People complain about the Wii U price point, then they complain about the hardware. Well anyone with anything between there shoulders will know two things; The Wii U is priced below construction cost to be competitive, that tells us that the hardware is the very best one can get for that price.

The second even more obvious one is that for Xbox and Playstation to be competitive with the Wii U they have to be around the same price point, so unless Microsoft and Sony can do something no one else in the world can the hardware will have to match up with the price, the other two consoles to come out will hence be specced close to the Wii U. Granted both consoles will have come out later than the Wii U and therefore have the advantage of slightly cheaper tech, but for them to match up with what people expect (well above the Wii U) they would have to be at a much higher price point - and it's business people, they want to make profit so what wont happen.

So the question people gotta ask themselves before they get head on into the breach with lackluster comments is this: What makes you think the next PS/Xbox will be substantially better than the Wii U, when they have to be at the roughly the same price point?

No company can afford to take the losses they did last generation, they can't sell 800$ consoles for 400$. Why do so many people seem to lack logical thinking?

Buy a PC and you'll get what you want, cause neither the PS4 nor the Xbox720 will reach your expectations. If they're anything more than what I just explained. And I'm no fanboy, well PC if anything, but I spent 1400$ on mine, if you can't afford that you might as well get a Wii U cause it won't be much worse than any of the other in the next generation.
ronin4life  +   749d ago
". Pachter is probably very good when it comes to economics but it ends at that"

This is what I'm thinking, and what I keep telling myself must be true. Because otherwise he wouldn't have his job, right?

... -_-;;

Nah, he probably is good with numbers and stuff. Even though he is still in denial about zynga and the reality of the social gaming bubble. He must be good with something involving numbers and crap. ^.^;
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nerdkiller  +   749d ago
the wii u is selling at a loss, can you imagine a console with pc graphics that would be 600 dollar console. which no one would buy until it went down till 300. ppl need to under stand you can take a little loss but a big one is just bad business.
Ck1x  +   749d ago
Not to mention that many people on this site really believe PS4 will ship with at least 8GB of RAM, an SSD HDD, Blu-Ray 2.0, high end custom CPU and GPU chips, USB 3.0 and host of other Ports and specs not yet defined for $400 or less! Get real people...
WiiUalpha  +   749d ago
Careful you'll get marked for trolling for pointing that the obvious.

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