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Mass Effect Fan Negativity 'Was Too Much' For Ray & Greg - Ex-BioWare Dev

NowGamer: Ex-BioWare dev, Trent Oster explains how fan negativity could have attributed to Muzyka and Zeschuk's departure.

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TimmyShire2118d ago

Mass Effect 3 wasn't nothing compared to the original or even the second one, so it was deserved negativity if you ask me.

That said, it was probably EAs fault, not Greg or Ray's, since they wanted to fleece as much as they could out of the series.

Dailynch2118d ago

It was probably more a combination of things, I'd like to think the Dr's had a thicker skin than that. They're creative people, they must have had negative feedback before.

Yi-Long2118d ago

... didn't they have a failed female novel-writer that was responsible for that!?

Anyway, I just picked up Mass Effect 2 this week for PS3. I'm hoping I'll like that, cause I stopped about halfway through the first game.

Nimblest-Assassin2118d ago

@yi long

It was a combination of things. People find it easier to single some one out as the course of the problem

Most people attacked Casey Hudson and the writer. Some people made theories that they shut out the rest of bioware and forced this ending to be made, when in reality everyone at bioware was fine with it. So when people reacted it effected everyone there

Another problem was how fans reacted. We all know about that shitstorm with the cupcakes, the lawsuits, etc

More people just kept insulting them, singling people out and just acting like asshats, without telling bioware what they wanted to see, and those people outnumber those with legit criticism. Most people complained about the dlc and the ending rather than actual things that would have improved the game

I guess the doc couldn't take more, because when you get that much hate from three games in a row they probably just gave up

NYC_Gamer2118d ago (Edited 2118d ago )

EA/Bioware ruined the Mass Effect franchise by being greedy/wanting to attract the shooter crowd

Chidori2118d ago

What are you even talking about. The shooter crowd? Mass Effect has been Mass Effect for the past 5 years. The trilogy is and always will be one of my favorite franchises of all time. I'm sure millions around the world would agree with me. Why? Because Mass Effect has always been Mass Effect. We're not talking about Resident Evil here. While people had every right to complain about the original ending to ME3, Bioware did what was necessary and fixed it.....Yet people still complain. What will it take to please you people?

Baka-akaB2118d ago

I dont see how it was ruined by shooting . The focus was clear from the get go . They just got rid of the excess baggage that only a few cared about for the franchise .

It's not at all similar to Dragon Age going from semi tabletop rpgs to dynasty warriors in two games .

GrahamGolden2117d ago

Yi-Long i think you should have wait a little more for the ME trilogy pack

cleft52118d ago

They deserved to receive death threats because the ending of their game wasn't good? Bro it wasn't just negative comments, people turn of them and behaved like maniacs and it was more than just a small vocal group that was sending them death threats. You combine that with all the crazy groups that was attacking them because they put gay and lesbian relationships in their game and you have a pretty big mess.

Bimkoblerutso2118d ago

Yeah, as disappointed as I was with the writing and the ending in the third one, the only monsters here were the fans, I've gotta say.

TheTwelve2118d ago

The needless addition of multi-player clearly sucked away efforts from the single-player. ---12

GrahamGolden2117d ago

multiplayer wasnt THAT bad for their first attempt i think,i had fun but yea...much more could have been added if multi was not in

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Baka-akaB2118d ago

More like selling out and being told to keep smiling for the press , while pretending their games are deeper than jrpgs , was too much for Greg and Ray

neoandrew2118d ago

And of course you need to mention jrpgs because ONLY this genre is better...
And that is also a proof that me 3 is a great game.

Baka-akaB2117d ago (Edited 2117d ago )

You obviously dont even know what i'm talking about . There was an interview where they openly criticized jrpgs and final fantasy in particular and were coming off as very arrogant .

ironically they got criticized soon enough for the same things they were discussing in said interviews with me2 and dragon age 2 . And a bit further with me3 .

HarryMasonHerpderp2118d ago

I think that Bioware games have been dropping in quality for a long time now it's a far cry from the Knights Of The Old Republic/Jade Empire days.
Whether that is because of EA or Bioware I'm not really sure.

Bimkoblerutso2118d ago

I don't think it's been "a long time now."

I'll admit that Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 3 and SWTOR seemed to be...um....tainted by corporate finger-poking, but up until these last couple of years I still absolutely loved everything they were doing.

The first Dragon Age was a GREAT game.

HarryMasonHerpderp2118d ago (Edited 2118d ago )

I wasn't too impressed with the first Dragon Age, It was infinitely better than Dragon Age 2 though.
It was a good game but I didn't enjoy it like Knights Of The Old Republic (that game was boss)
I just thought the graphics really let it down and it annoyed the hell out of me not being able to go in the water and having to go around puddles lol it sounds stupid and probably is but it just really annoyed me.

I might give it another chance actually its been a while since I last played it.

MidnytRain2117d ago

What these devs need to realize is that we gamers own them. If we say jump, then jump; end of story. There are no "ifs," "ands," or "buts." Their occupation is to serve us gratefully, regardless of our actions. If that's too much, then too bad. This isn't the job for them.

Captain Tuttle2116d ago

Harsh but true. The market drives the producers.

steve30x2118d ago (Edited 2118d ago )

You guys are just relentlless. You just don't know when to quit. These developers are humans with feelings not some robots that have no feelings. I don't understand all this rage over a game.

Yi-Long2118d ago (Edited 2118d ago )

... that has all the potential to be GREAT, yet gets ruined by incompetent decisions, and/or greed, ruining many of what once made it great.

Look at Ninja Gaiden 3. Look at the new Splinter Cell games. Look at Tony Hawk. Look at Colin McRae/Dirt. Etc etc.

People invest a lot of money and many hours in these franchises, and have a lot of love for them, so OFCOURSE they'll speak out when a developer/publisher starts ruining the franchise.

TekoIie2117d ago (Edited 2117d ago )

So if I was disappointed with a game I am allowed to send death threats? (bear in mind that im refering to what the title said as "fan negativity" which isnt limited to criticism of their product).

I think that now that its been said that WE are to blame for them leaving Bioware we dont like it.

After all gamers can never do wrong right? Itz dem durn corpurationz! The more we use the same excuse the more we believe its true for every situation...

Gohadouken2118d ago (Edited 2118d ago )

Cry me a frickin' river .

Those arent guys that happily were in their corner of the universe making their games with their sweats .

At some quite early point , they became very arrogant and public persons .

That their mistakes , public speechs and statement , and a failed game project (old republic online) is snowballing and catching on to them enough to wear them out is 100% on them .

cleft52118d ago

Same here man, these comments are exactly part of the reason they left the gaming industry. Just look at the comments bashing them and yet these comments mainly have agrees to them. These guys received death threats and everyone acts like it's no big deal.

Baka-akaB2118d ago (Edited 2118d ago )

Sure why not lump the criticism here with the death threats -_- .

That's ridiculous , most people here that have issues with dont even bother doing more than venting HERE , instead of directly contacting and harassing devs and gaming figures .

It's even actually healthy for some to vent steam once everywhile , over obsessing over such minor things .

If anything , are some of the "let's kumbaya hug" folks even as much fans of Bioware than some of the "whiners" ? Were they all even there for their Black isle/interplay collaboration days or At least the Kotor/jade era ?

Robochobo2118d ago

Please, go buy a old Bioware gem called Jade Empire, play through that, then play through Mass Effect 3 and see how much the word "RPG" has changed to Bioware's eyes. It's not just about the game, it's the absolute lack of quality that they decide to put into a game, deciding to leave minimal RPG elements in an game that's classified as so. It's a slap to the face for people like I who have been fans of Bioware since the beginning, and the fall of a once great developer will now go down in history as the cause of either greed, lack of care, or EA's death touch.

NiteX2117d ago

JE is a really bad example for an RPG. The story was also pretty bad. It was fun and had great characters though.

shammgod2118d ago

Every job comes with criticism. You have to deal with it. And on an unrelated note, EA sucks

Jdoki2118d ago

@steve30x

If someone expects me to pay for something, and it turns out disappointing or sub-standard, then they deserve criticism.

Mass Effect 1 was great.
Mass Effect 2 was disappointing
Mass Effect 3 was an improvement on #2 until the ending.

I don't agree with threatening comments, but criticism, especially in a creative field of work, should be expected.

I'd have more respect for the guys if they had just turned around and said 'screw you, it's the game we wanted to make'. Instead they have cut and run!

steve30x2118d ago (Edited 2118d ago )

Yup I was expecting loads of disagrees and negative replies to my comment because those who disagreed and gave negative comments only care about themselves and dont care about others. Greed is all I see in those disagrees and negative comments.

@ SageHonor : I read the negative replies and I see people not caring about the feelings to the developers especially Gohadouken and Yi-Long.

SageHonor2118d ago (Edited 2118d ago )

" because those who disagreed and gave negative comments only care about themselves and dont care about others. Greed is all I see in those disagrees and negative comments. "

So people who disagree with you dont care about others and all you see is greed?

Very narrow minded and ignorant comment.

DragonKnight2118d ago

Yeah, because criticism is the same as being as selfish as toddlers right? Get over it. ME3 was trashed because it sucked. No one is defending the losers who made death threats, in fact I'm pretty sure that we all pity those people for having serious mental problems. That said, criticizing products we spent our hard earned money on is our right as consumers. If developers who become public figures can't handle that, then they got in the wrong field or should have stayed indie.

steve30x2117d ago (Edited 2117d ago )

@ DragonKnight : You might have spent your hard earned money on buying the game but the developers also spent their hard earned cash on creating the game so that you could play it. It goes both ways you know. They didnt create the game for free.

DragonKnight2117d ago

@steve30x: So? In the real world that's called doing your job. They don't make games for free but they don't make games for fun either. They want us to look at their game and say to ourselves "this is a game I want to play, this is a game I'm willing to spend my money on." Do you know how that happens? By making a good game and not taking the userbase that made you successful for granted. You have to present a reason for people to give you their money, and if you make something people don't like you have to understand that they don't like to part with money they worked hard for in a world that is unforgiving.

What you're implying is that just because they worked hard to make the game people should buy it and be happy about it, regardless of its quality or if it lives up to the expectations the developers themselves created for fans to have. That's ridiculous. This isn't grade school. You don't get a gold star just for trying. This is survival of the fittest. You want to succeed and thrive, you damn well better make sure that people are happy with what you're offering or you won't get far.

Baka-akaB2117d ago (Edited 2117d ago )

For all of you so called compassionate act , i see quite a narow minded attitude , especially when calling out other by names .

Like said above , those arent people in their corner of the universe being bullied .

They had some very public statement made , made themselves very demonstrative persons and actually openly criticized other studios and publishers . It's no wonder it can backfires as soon as you have a misstep .

Either way you guys need to stop pretending that their retirement has to do with fans pressure , when everything hints at very corporate related in nature decisions .

They sold their company to the highest bidder , wich transforming it obviously , one of their own big project just failed commercially and critically , and they werent in total control anymore . Hence they left to get their freedom back .

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