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Xbox 720 to Be Fueled by Next Generation Kinect?

"When Microsoft's Kinect was announced at the price of $149.99, a large percentage of the media began speculating whether or not Microsoft's aim to make the Xbox experience more interactive would become an essential peripheral for owners of the Xbox 360, or fail miserably as many previous peripherals have. Here we are nearly two years later and the Kinect sold so well, it became the fastest selling consumer electronics device beating out the almighty iPhone 4."

-TheGamerAccess.com (Kinect, Next-Gen, Xbox 360)

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Godmars290  +   605d ago
Thought it was pretty much well proven if not understood that current gen Kinect hasn't lived up to its expectations. So of course with all that's been invested there's going to be another one.

Hopefully that one will work.
Brosy  +   605d ago
I just cant bring myself to like Kinect. My brother has it and admittedly the voice control is pretty neat. I just dont care for motion controlled gaming in general. Hate to see MS waste resources on Kinect, but hell its been a small success. Although I am sure they are able track peoples usage of Kinect via Live. Maybe they will see gamers actual time with the product v/s time playing non-kinect titles and adjust their plans accordingly. Then of course there are the actual software sales to look at, which Im sure arent very good. As long as Kinect isnt a requirement for the next xbox then Im cool.
Abash  +   605d ago
Kinect 2 could be everything that Kinect should have been and more, but I wont be getting it unless they start expanding the audience and start making core games for it.

PS Move's saving grace for it is Sorcery and Until Dawn is looking to be another worthwhile one
Hisiru  +   605d ago
If it's only 4~6x more powerful than x360 (as leaked documents suggest) then it won't be a big jump, so Kinect 2 better deliver, and I hope it's not aiming to much for the casual market.
Belking  +   605d ago
You call over 20 Million Kinects sold a small success....lol Kinect was a huge success and it goes way beyond gaming. Because of kinect capabilities and tech it is now being used by hospitals, airports, schools(MIT),Military,( uses it for rehabilitation for wounded troops), and Automobiles(voice detection). This was MS and Primesense's vision from day 1. This technology goes way beyond just games.

Maybe people like you don't care but the game industry is evolving and its clear that people like what the device brings to the table. Not every gamer is a Uncharted, Halo and Gears fan,.....And you are wrong about software sales because kinect has several titles that have sold over 1 million copies. MS is smart to have Kinect be a part of the next xbox. It complements it perfectly the way they have integrated it with xbox live.

Now bring on the disagrees.
Jaces  +   604d ago
@ Belking

We gamers don't care what Kinect has done for the world, MS said Kinect was the future of gaming and it wasn't and never will be. That is where Kinect failed miserably. Sold units mean nothing if people don't use them for their intended purpose.

If MS/Sony sells 2 million consoles but no one buys the games or very little, would you consider that system a success? No, didn't think so.
DeadlyFire  +   604d ago
Voice control has nothing to do with the motion control. Which is their main push. Voice could be done without Kinect if they wanted to do it.

Kinect is just a bad idea I believe, but if they push it with Kinect 2 crazy casual games at E3 2013. I will know where my money is not going.
OneAboveAll  +   605d ago
Hopefully it won't and they will just give up. No one asked for Natal/Kinect. What we asked for was for more first party exclusives.
Dlacy13g  +   605d ago
Correction, you asked for more games... Many welcomed the tech once announced.
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   605d ago
Maybe hasn't lived up to your expectations Godmars290, but it's lived up to mine. Not sure why yours doesn't work... too short? Too tall? Not enough room in your living room?

Well, whatever it is, sorry it didn't live up to your expectations. But it has lived up to mine. So I guess we even each other out. Keep going strong Kinect!
JellyJelly  +   605d ago
Nevermind him. Nothing from MS is ever any good in his opinion. He's just a troll.
Denethor_II  +   604d ago
@ Pot calling the kettle black my little friend.
Bon Scott  +   604d ago
hey godmars and other sdf tag alongs.

kinect must upset you that its a huge sucsess.
that's too bad because the reality is kinect has succeeded.
MS backs its products unlike Sony.
Figures you would stealth troll this article.....grow up.
I like the way MS is experimenting with this new tech,appealing to the casual while keeping the hardcore gamers happy too.
I think the 360 is the console that covers all bases this gen.
Can't wait to see how they improve it on the 720,
good times coming!!!!!!!!
Godmars290  +   604d ago
It would be nice if once - just once - someone from the MSDF could do something more than accuse someone else being in the SDF as their one and only thing they have to offer as a possible counterpoint when "their product" is question.

While Kinect might be a success with all the advertising its gotten and titles like Dance Central, games like Steel Battalionso suggest that's not a good general accessory. And its utterly ridiculous that such can't be said without some near bigot label being slapped on the commenter.

I mean FFS, you were given, developed, a brain capable of cogitative reason - USE THE F*UKING THING FOR ONCE!
JokesOnYou  +   604d ago
Oh please save the song and dance godsmar, you morganfell, bathyj, and a few other n4g notables you're all the same= longtime 360 haters, color your comments pretty all you like but Bon Scott is exactly right you're just trolling, kinect is successful because micro fully backed the product unlike Sony with move, and most 360 fans would love to see a "improved" kinect integrated in the next Xbox, why not if nothing else it has been a cool option for Live, family & friends.

Expectations are one thing, almost everything could have done better or needs improvements, but that doesn't mean potential still doesnt exist and kinect does work, just needs to be implemented in the right way, everyone I know who spends some time with it really wants to see micro do more with it not less besides we still get our Halo's Gears, Forza's etc and core games too. Games like Mass Effect, Ghost Recon, Madden, etc can continue to get better with kinect integration advancing but I'm waisting my time telling YOU that, those hoping for failure due to brand loyalty cant see past their noses lol, and its no coincidence those who swear kinect is worthless are the ones who swarm kinect news, you would think they had something better to do yet yet you are the first poster talking out of your azz as if you speak for 360/kinect fans -you don't.
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_-EDMIX-_  +   604d ago
oh.....oh i'm just sorry XB fans. This isn't going to end well.
Nexgensensation  +   604d ago
this current gen kinect shows a lot of potential
nex gen kinect may revolutionize gaming period! with the help of bing, and being able to talk to your 720 or whatever its called, and don't forget the the hundreds of apps xbl already have like twitter facebook.

its a mystery to me i dont know what M$ is planning but this current gen kinect shows a lot of potential and may go super saiyan nexgen
ALLWRONG  +   604d ago
"current gen Kinect hasn't lived up to its expectations"

You must be thinking of that other device that failed, it looks like a Wii mote.
Dark11  +   605d ago
I won't be surprised it that happened.
trickman888  +   605d ago
Oh god please no. Kinect sucks , as well as PS move. Get rid of shitty motion controllers and motion control dedicated games, and focus on the REAL games.And not stupid ass gimmicks.

*Looks at past microsoft E3's*

Please, no more!
bubblebeam  +   604d ago
Move was pretty awesome with the sharpshooter for killzone 3.

I couldn't care less about Kinect. I just hope they make New IP's or continue forgotten ones (Lost Odyssey NEEDS a sequel or something, so little JRPG's these days, except the wii).

I hope Kinect is an option, I don't want an expensive console with something I didn't want.
I hope so. I would have something to laugh about sice thay hate core gamers.
http://www.product-reviews....

Only thing I am looking forward to about next xbox will be that pc will get better ports do to it maybe being a modified windows 8.
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Qrphe  +   605d ago
I have no problem with a Kinect on the NextBox.
However, Kinect 2 better be worthwhile technology; there is NO excuse for it not to have 1:1 controls.

Current Kinect is a joke of a device.
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IHateYouFanboys  +   605d ago
Kinect as it is already has 1:1 controls, at least as much as a video game console can have.

you should note that no matter how much n4PS3g tries to tell you, 1:1 doesnt have anything to do with input lag. if it did then 1:1 would not be possible as everything requires milliseconds of processing time. even a regular controller has 50+ms of lag.

1:1 means that if you move x distance in real life that will give an x distance move on screen. Kinect can do this, you only need to play a game like dance central and you can see this.
Qrphe  +   605d ago
1:1 motion technology already exists (as proven by the LeapMotion), and the Kinect is not it.

The Kinect has terrible lag, this has nothing to do with fanboyism, it has to do with its specs and its purpose (which was never really to be precision but be family-friendly instead).
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NotSoSilentBob  +   604d ago
Just Report IHateYouFanboys as spam. All he does is post anti-Sony/PS3 comments. Down bubble him for trolling. He has already had a few bans due to his comments. He has made up TONS of FUD and gets called out all the time. Just help N4G get rid of the troll by reporting for spam and down bubble for trolling.
edonus  +   604d ago
Not that you will acknowledge the fact but the current gen kinect is 1:1 and has and doesnt really have lag.

Thats not to say some games you play dont have have lag but its not generated from kinect. I'll explain, there are 2 different types of lag input lag and what i call translation lag. Kinect is a camera it sees you and reacts at 30 frame per second. Input lag doesnt exist.

Translation lag is what most ppl are referring to when they talk about kinect. What happens is you move kinect sees it then it has to send the data into the 360 and then that data is processed to animate a character. They have actually made it work really fast but it takes lots of processing power from the 360.

If you want to proof check what I am saying play Fruit Ninja, Happy Acttion Theatre, Dance Central what those games have in common is they dont animate any of your movements they just track you. They do 1:1.

The next xbox is said to be designed with the processing needs for the kinect built in day 1 so they can actually do more complex controls. Right now they have them good but its lots of work to get it there and the lack of power turns into an issue that why the pc hackers can do so much with kinect because the power they have is based on what they built.

Current kinect is really good and if you are a capable kinect gamer the games have really added alot to this gen.
Biggest  +   604d ago
No one cares what pretty dress you put on lag, edonus. It's still lag. Input lag is lag. Translation lag is lag. Kinect doesn't have lag is lag. Hopefully the next Kinect is as good as the original Kinect was supposed to be. Stop pretending the current Kinect is anything special.
baldulf  +   605d ago
Microsoft started so well this generation and look how they ended, trying to force down our throat that damn Kinect.

They have to realize that the casual market has already shifted to cell phones and tablets and stop screwing the console market (same goes for Nintendo)
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_-EDMIX-_  +   604d ago
Put it this way, MS started this gen with a bang and ended it with a whimper.

Botched launch full of PS2 ports, PC ports etc. RROD, closing of so many studios in favor of Kinect studios.....KINECT! LOL! I mean they left Fasa out to dry, let go Bungie, Mech Warrior is a PC title now and MS no longer owns the IP, so many funny things are happening because MS CHOSE Kinect over "hardcore" gaming. They saw they could make more money from Kinect and they chose to close down studios to open up Kinect studios.

ie why Bioware most likely left MS, based of MS not supporting the ME ip any longer. I mean why waste the money keeping such a series exclusive when they can make exclusive Kinect games and make more money? Why keep so many studios open when they can just ax them all and make a junk load of Kinect studios and games?

Face it, if your a "hardcore" XB fan, its best you start looking for a second system to get your "hardcore" fix. MS clearly is not going in that direction any longer. They don't want to make those types of games. Take a look at what they've let go, what they've started funding and building and what games they'v been supporting. They closed down teams in order to buy and start a bunch of Kinect teams.

Not sure how this is really good for any 360 fan. If you bought a 360 to play "hardcore" games, you might feel a bit abandoned seeing how MS as a publisher doesn't even make those games like they use to. Forza, Fable, Halo etc seem to be all thats left (...for now anyway)

Wheres your Crackdown 3, PGR5, Mech Warrior sequels, ME exclusivity etc?!! I mean it could be true that Turn 10 could be working on PGR5 yes...but that means no Forza will be made during the same time. That is what having a lot of teams can really help.

ie i wouldn't ask Evolution Studios to make a Gran Turismo or vice versa.
BuffMordecai  +   605d ago
Good Lord I'm jumping ship.
SkullBlade169  +   605d ago
If a Kinect-like system is the main control method for the next Xbox, you can count me out...
Kin23g  +   604d ago
lol That's not going to happen .. I assure you.
KwietStorm  +   605d ago
Oh great, just what I wanted.
nevin1  +   605d ago
@OneAboveAll

"No one asked for Natal/Kinect."

Who is we? When will core gamers learn that video games is not about you anymore. Nintendo/Microsoft(and Apple) are finding more success with the casual crowd.

I dont't like it either but what can you do?
Mustang300C2012  +   605d ago
Videogmaes was never about core in the beginning or hardcore gamers. It is a niche group. Systems live off of mainstream.
OneAboveAll  +   605d ago
We as in the MAJORITY of core gamers. I thought that one was simple enough for a small mind to figure out. Apparently not.
ChunkyLover53  +   605d ago
I'm sure it'll be part of the Xbox 720, just like Nintendo has the Wii U Gamepad and I'm sure the PS4 will try to offer something to attract a different type of gamer as well. Gone are the days when a console could simply go after "core" gamer's, mostly because that line is blurred more then ever right now.

It'll be part of the 720, but the ones who buy consoles right at launch are the really hardcore gamer's, so I'd suspect Microsoft follows their previous plan, core, casual and family later on.
DEATHxTHExKIDx  +   605d ago
God I hope not
Minato-Namikaze  +   604d ago
There goes any little interest I had
Bathyj  +   605d ago
I dont think I'll be buying all the consoles next gen like I did this gen.
PimpDaddy  +   605d ago
I have a feeling you "never" intended to buy any more consoles from a certain manufacturer that rhymes with Microsoft. But I could be wrong. Not like your comment history since your days on Gamespot have anything to do with a certain Pro-Sony Anti-Microsoft bias or anything /s

On topic: I'm sure the next Microsoft console will have some form of Kinect integration. As long as they allow their owners to use Kinect as an "alternative" form of controlling the console and playing games then there is no reason for people to be upset...
Hicken  +   605d ago
"Not like your comment history..."
Kinda like yours here, eh?

Pot, meet Kettle. Play nice, you two.
Bathyj  +   605d ago
Its not that I'm biased, its that I'm not getting what I want from a certain manufacturer that rhymes with Microsoft.

I bought and still have hundreds of games for Xbox 1. I always got multiplats and good exclusives for that console and pretty much had a PS2 for Sony games, so I came into this gen with no ill feelings at all for Xbox or MS.

You'd be correct in assuming I dont feel like that now for various reason that we dont need to go into here, but if MS changed their attitude and catered to core gamers again and I felt it would be worth investing in a games library for that machine, I would gladly buy an Xbox 3, (admittedly not at launch. On my 4th X360, I would wait to see if they were reliable this time.)

Its not about allegiance to a company for me, its about whose feeding my habit best and at the moment I think Sony is doing that, and I think MS did a better job when they were still the new guy and had to try harder.

Still, time will tell.

PS.
Really, you've been watching me since Gamespot.
I'm flattered. ;)
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Bon Scott  +   604d ago
God Dam Bathyj still trolling 360 articles after all these years.
Pretty pathetic.
Dam your parents must be really tired of you living off them/not moving out wasting away on N4g. lol.
Sonys fall from grace must kill you inside.
Good luck with that.
PS ..Your stealth trolls fail.
We know who you love.
Truth is MS is covering all bases catering to every kind of gamer,
pretty much what the PS3 missed the target on this gen..........get it? ........good.
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PimpDaddy  +   604d ago
Color it what you want Bathyj. But it is a form of bias. I can understand having a preference. I have owned all 3 Sony Playstation consoles. But somewhere over the course of owning an original Xbox and then buying the Xbox 360 first I started to prefer the Xbox 360 more. Probably because of the controller and online service.

I got Kinect as a gift for my wifes son but as it currently stands it is not plugged in. Kinect doesn't ruin my Xbox 360 experience or take away from it whatsoever. We mostly buy and play 3rd party games for the 360 and a few 360 exclusives.

Just like with the PS3. I get a few of the exclusives and use the Blu-Ray player a lot for movies.

I have had to replace my Slim PS3 twice under warranty and am on my second 360. The first 360 survived RROD and ultimately died to a bad DVD drive.

Even though I have had the worst luck as far as reliability goes with Sony consoles I will continue to keep an open mind and buy all 3 consoles next generation because I like having access to as many games as possible.

As far as watching you? Nah. Just seen the same song and dance from you since back when I used to comment on Gamestop. Somethings never change :-p
Belking  +   605d ago
Kinect 2 will be mighty impressive with the improved hardware. I can't wait to see it. I love that type of technology. I love the interactivity that it brings. There is still so much potential there. it was a very clever move by MS bringing Kinect to market and it really paid off. Kinect or not I will be there on day 1 for the next gen xbox. Can't wait for Halo 5. Alan Wake 2, and Just Cause 2 on xbox 720.

Now bring on the disagrees.
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iamlegend9999  +   605d ago
I swear. Microsoft needs to make a poll on xbox is ask should we continue kinect and the next generation. Then maybe they would stop wasting money on something that doesn't matter and make the next xbox more powerful.
QuantumWake  +   605d ago
Why can't MS make a powerful console and at the same support Kinect? It's well within Microsoft's power to do so.
iamlegend9999  +   605d ago
If you want to pay 500+ for a console be my guest.
Bigpappy  +   605d ago
That is a dumb comment. Did you ever stop to think that, just may be, the 720 will be more powerful because it is built from the ground up to support Kinect?
iamlegend9999  +   605d ago
Your comment is dumb. If they were to do that. The price would sky rocket. Putting kinect 2 which is suppose to be stronger and then making the console more powerful. Go a head and spend $500 if you want.
ALLWRONG  +   604d ago
MS couldn't do a poll here because 98% of the anti Kinect comments come from the Playstation side.
Trekster_Gamer  +   605d ago
misleading title. He says NOTHING other than what we all know...
mananimal  +   605d ago
Kinect imo sux, its not relevant to more than the "majority" of CORE gamers on 360, it has FAILED to capture the imagination of at least 97% of 360 owners, the tech for it is not up to snuff, the lag etc, ...its a gimmick, dont care if u Kinect Owners like what I just said, Its a GIMMICK, next gen it'll be the same thing, an expensive Gimmick that some will take a chance on a purchase.

Microsoft swore up & down Kinect would be great, awesome, game changing, & look at it, they'll say different though, with the FACTS staring right at them saying the complete opposite of there lying opinion. A waste of gamers time, Kinect was a $149 prototype, thats what Microsoft sold, a prototype, tech not yet really ready for mainstream gaming.

Next Gen wont be ANY DIFFERENT.
edonus  +   605d ago
Kinect is an extension of the system. It basically adds eyes and ears to your console. Most people that hate kinect hate it because they were programmed to.

As a gamer that has been playing console since the Atari 2600 and Coleco vision and with out any bias at all I can honestlty say I am very happy with what kinect has delivered so far and I cant wait for more. The real issue is that most ppl either dont want tomplay kinect, or dont know how to play kinect.

What I want from kinect 2 is more processing power in the system, and a higher resolution. I would also like them to keep pushing and experimenting with the current kinect so next gen we dont have so much R&D.
MoreRPG  +   605d ago
If they finally find a way to make it work with core games ill buy it
JamieL  +   604d ago
I think it works great with Skyrim. I also feel it added a little to Mass Effect 3 as well. I think those fall under the "Core" category.
3-4-5  +   605d ago
I hope Microsoft understands that about 95% of the people who will buy their "Xbox 720 ", Don't care at all about Kinect.

It's almost an annoyance really because they are spending money and ideas on this, that they could be putting elsewhere, in places that matter, like game development.
edonus  +   605d ago
That is what marketing development and creativity is for it makes people care.

Kinect is one of those things that most people who dislike it dont even have a sound reason. If it is standard then they wont have a choice but to learn it.

I have never met someone that knows how to use kinect and hate it. They may wish there was more for it or can think of ways it could be improved but the utter kinect sucks talk doesnt exist.
DwightOwen  +   605d ago
Let's hope all the REAL developers go back to PC where they belong so they can make kick-ass games which aren't limited by hardware constraints and let the Wii crowd have their stupid Kinectimals.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   605d ago
I like how some people say "I'm not gonna by the new consoles right away" And what not. Which I'm sure some of those people buy new consoles the day or the 1st week after launch. With that being said, when people see what the new Xbox is all about, and what its capable of, they're gonna want one immediately.

On Topic: The new Kinect shouldn't be gimmicky, in the way, glitchy, or something you have to think about, it should just work. Kinect 2 should be as easy as counting to 1, 2, 3.
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Man-E-Faces  +   604d ago
It doesn't matter how capable it is when the shovelware games being trotted out are embarrassing and are a pathetic excuse of trying to expand it's library of games. If tech was all that mattered PC would have most of the market share.
Microsoft is more concerned about creating dresses for your Wii knock off avatars than creating new ip's.
DiRtY  +   604d ago
Of course Kinect will play a major role for MS next generation. I own Kinect and play it on a regular basis and it is fun. Sure there is some lag (not as bad as people try to make it look) and the games are more casual, but I don't see this as a problem.

And no, MS did not let core gamers suffer, because of Kinect. Halo 4, Forza Horizon, The Witcher 2, Trials HD, FEZ, Dust: AET, Alan Wake, Minecraft all came out this year and are not available on any other console. Dance Central 3, Nike+ Kinect are for the more casual crowd, but there is nothing wrong with it.

It is about offering a diverse experience and MS is just doing that.
BitbyDeath  +   604d ago
I hope MS make huge changes to Kinect and make it a virtual reality machine instead.
That would be awesome.
ArronC07  +   604d ago
This makes the next gen cheaper.
NeoTribe  +   604d ago
First kinect was a gimmick. Kinect 2 will be the same. Even if it works how its suppost to, who the hell wants to wave appendages around like an idiot. Most core gamers want to just sit back with a controller in there hand.
josephayal  +   604d ago
no controllers plz no more
Cant wait for the NEXT XBOX 720 kinect only tech
Smootherkuzz  +   604d ago
What is all the noise about Kinect and the so called Core games? I remember when you had to play board games or go outside to have any type of fun playing games. I welcome anything that help me to have fun playing video games.Yes its going to be alittle crude in the begining as is all new electronics because we live in the fix as you go.Bring on Kinect and anything else you have.
StreetsofRage  +   604d ago
It should be a pretty big upgrade so I would expect bigger better Kinect games. So far I only used it with all them dancing games with a few "better with Kinect" games like Mass Effect 3. Usually these extra's are minor. But I am EXCITED on Madden '13 with Kinect. The feeling of being a real quaterback sounds awesome. Kinect 2.0 does have a bright future.
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