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Submitted by floetry101 852d ago | opinion piece

Destructoid: I am officially done with the Kinect

Hamza "CTZ" Aziz writes: I owe everyone an apology. This past March, I stated that "Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor validates owning a Kinect." As it turns out, I was so, so wrong. We went as far as having the Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor review pass through the hands of three different Destructoid editors in an attempt to get the game to work, until finally realizing that Heavy Armor is, in fact, simply broken. (Kinect, Microsoft, Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor, Xbox 360)

EVILDEAD360  +   852d ago
I always find it amazing that bad games come out every day. Steel Batallion was obviously one of those for Destructoid. They gave the game a 30%.

But, it's amazing how when literally one game is bad that means KINECT itself is NOW as bad as that game.

How many standard controller games come out weekly for the 360 and PS3, but you never see these kinds of articles for other consoles even at the height of Wii hate. One bad game doesnt equal them all.

The bottomline bad games come out for Move (Destructoid gave the most anticipated PS3 Move game ever 'Sorcery' a '60'.) Did you see a I'm done with Move article.

We know the mountain of bad games that plagued Wii all those years.

Now you have Kinect which some games work great for and others don't. I've own all of them, but in terms of games that you can play with family and friends Kinect destroys the comp which literally was only Wii.

Every motion control device has it's strength and weaknesses, as for Kinect it's strengths are why 19 million have bought the device. One game won't change that..shame Steel didn't measure up to it's potential. As a fan of the series, I still will give it a try. My Kinect isn't any more special than other review sites but I laugh when they pretend a games controls dont work and your Kinect works perfectly fine.

Evil
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Godmars290  +   852d ago
How is that you don't understand that Kinect hasn't really lived up to the advertised claims surrounding it?

Games for it are generally good at parties and can entertain kids, but with an "actual" game so far its only come up short. Other motion controls may be as lame but at least the Wiimote has managed a few success while the Move is an all-purpose light-gun and half decent additional control option.

19 Million bought Kinect because of a half billion a campaign. Now a lot of those people are realizing that.
Hufandpuf  +   852d ago
[ridiculous number] bought Wii because of a half billion a campaign. Now a lot of those people [have realized] that.

^also true.
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GribbleGrunger  +   852d ago
sheep will follow each other to get fleeced
supraking951  +   852d ago
18.5 million of those didnt buy Kinect, they bought a 360 console that came with a crap Kinect bundle.
Dark_king  +   852d ago
@supraking951

Actually a few million were given away by burger king.Some by Oprah though no idea how many.
Ult iMate  +   852d ago
@Hufandpuf
At least Wii had some great and unique core-games in oppose to Kinect.
ApplEaglElephant  +   852d ago
LoL @EVILDEAD and Damage Control
HOw isnt it obvious that Kinect games are mostly crap.

look at kinect games library. lol
mewhy32  +   852d ago
Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor is a very poorly developed game. The developer implemented the Kinect motion control very poorly here.This is very unfortunate for the people,including myself, that were really looking forward to this game.Very, very poorly developed piece of software indeed. This developer has no idea how to implement Kinect motion and gesture controls effectively. This makes me realize the frustration that many of the gamers on this site express with "lazy" developers.
ATi_Elite  +   852d ago
I am officially done with the Kinect
....Yeh right!

as soon as the Xbox 720 comes out and Kinect has it's own dedicated CPU you guys will be right back calling Kinect the greatest thing since "sliced Cheese".

Microsoft will hype up a better working Kinect 2, sell another 20 million units, rake in a mega ton of cash, and once they have you guys Hook, line, and sinker they will leave it up to 3rd parties to support Kinect 2.

Then Destructoid will be writing another "We thought Kinect 2 was good but now it's trash article".

The minute they removed kinect's Dedicated CPu i knew Kinect would be CRAP! Hopefully Kinect 2 with a dedicated Cpu (or a CPu fast enough to game and do Kinect functions simultaneously) will be more capable and provide us with better entertainment.
BitbyDeath  +   852d ago
I agree, Kinect should be quite impressive next gen. Am looking forward to seeing what it can do.
asmith2306  +   852d ago
Yeah but it wont be a gaming experience that you can really get into. Trying to use a full body motion controller for anything other than on rails is just not feasible. Gaming these days is about moving around 3d worlds and with Kinect you can't do that.
kneon  +   852d ago
Certainly Kinect 2 will be an improvement but no matter what they do it will still occasionally make mistakes, there is just no way around it.

The voice recognition is always making its best guess at what you've said, most of the times it's right but sometimes it won't be.

It the same situation with the motion control, it analyzes the image and tries to guess where you are, sometimes it will guess wrong.

These are limitations inherent in this approach to motion gaming that can never be completely overcome. It can be improved but never completely eliminated.
Bathyj  +   852d ago
Its not like people were waiting for one bad Kinect game to put it down, but this was supposed to be an example of a real core title working with Kinect, and apparently it doesnt.

And other consoles dont get any hate articles?
Really?
Are we reading the same internet?

And you've owned EVERY Kinect game?
Sorry but I cant give your opinion any weight at all after finding that out.
If you're owned EVERY Kinect game, my armpit has better taste than you.
Tachyon_Nova  +   852d ago
I think his point was, right or wrong, that when a bad PS3 game is released you don't see people slamming the entire machine. He is saying (again rightly or wrongly) that this article is basing its hate for Kinect on this one game and ignoring the rest of the Kinect games.
Dark_king  +   852d ago
@Tachyon_Nova but they did bash the ps3 up until it proved itself.

kinect has yet to prove itself as anything more then a casual gaming device.Until it does every so called core game will be considered as prof of it fail.
Bathyj  +   852d ago
Yeah sorry but PS3 still gets hate every day and Sony are the only ones still dancing with who brung em.

People are even hating on The Last of Us, clinging to this stupid "scripted" tag like its their last poker chip. Theything they've found a chink in the armour they can exploit and theyre playing it for all its worth.

If thats not proof unwarranted hate isnt still prevalent than I dont know what is.
TekoIie  +   852d ago
"And other consoles dont get any hate articles?
Really?
Are we reading the same internet?"

Oh right yeh, the Wii gets a few too.........

"People are even hating on The Last of Us, clinging to this stupid "scripted" tag like its their last poker chip. Theything they've found a chink in the armour they can exploit and theyre playing it for all its worth".

The reasoning behind that is because ND SAID it wasn't and then played the same demo on JF show in the exact same way as the E3 demo and every enemy went to the exact same place. Character even spoke the same lines as in the demo. Basically they didnt help their own claim...

But overall hate against the PS3 (or Move) is pretty much non existent in articles on this site.
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edonus  +   852d ago
What i have learned after my time with the game is that alot of these reviewers are rage writing. This game is HARD now take that from someone that is kinect capable, I can use kinect like its nothing and I'm telling you its hard. The truth is this game uses kinect less than most other kinect games in fact I most of the time you die in this game is really not related to kinect you are holding the controller shooting.

What I think is happening is they are jumping in and getting their A$$ kicked then when they review it they just go crazy, most of the reviews dont even really tell you whats so hard. To be fair and honest I can say FROM could have tightened up the kinect interface a little bit more it works fine but to make it work perfectly the player has to be aware of themselves and that is a level of immersion gamers arent really used too so it will cause them to go into point of view loops and grab things by mistake.

On top of that FROM did some dirty programming. there are plenty of situations where they just throw you into something give very vague or cluttered instruction and kill you with out revealing what you are suppose to do. This game is not for everybody.

This is a core game I just think it maybe a little bit too core. Look at Destructoid here.... its making him give up on a device that used the device less than any other kinect game released.
2v1  +   852d ago
dude kinect work whit dance games go shake
asmith2306  +   852d ago
Evil, your the biggest 360 fanboy I have seen on this site, you will defend it down to the last no matter what. Your in denial, Kinect is garbage when it comes to 'gamer' games.

"The bottomline bad games come out for Move (Destructoid gave the most anticipated PS3 Move game ever 'Sorcery' a '60'.) Did you see a I'm done with Move article." Yes that's true but you don't see Sony marketing it left, right and centre and making it the centre piece of the PS3. That's the difference, there is more at stake for Xbox with Kinect than there is for the PS3 with the Move. Microsoft have placed their cards first on the Kinect(casual), second on Services & Apps('entertainment hub') and last but not least... proper GAMES!!

Its a shame really and how you defend that (as a gamer in general) is beyond me. Maybe its just that your gaming standards are low.
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TBM  +   852d ago
i was one of the few who didnt bother to waste hard earned money on this piece of crap camera. my 360 was the better for it until i traded it in this past sunday for not being used since gears 3.

im glad im not easily taken in by marketing like most of the people here defending this garbage.
darkride66  +   852d ago
mewhy32 said "This developer has no idea how to implement Kinect motion and gesture controls effectively."

Here's the thing though, most developers are limited by the tools provided. I headed up a Kinect project for 4 months using Kinect as an input for a training sim. It was unbelievably frustrating. Using Microsoft's development kit, Kinect was constantly losing the subject, confused by the same movement with different players, seemed confused by any clothing other than tight t-shirts and the biggest problem of all, like this article mentioned, it just didn't recognize movements with any real level of consistency. You were consistently having to do the same motion over and over until Kinect recognized what you were doing.

Now, that had nothing to do with the application we were building and everything to do with the Microsoft kit running Kinect. Kinect is only an input device. At the risk of simplifying a bit much, as far as input goes, "Did I raise my hand?" is no different than "Did I click a mouse button?". It's either true or false. If your mouse drivers aren't working, you can click the button all day. With Kinect, the Kinect device and software provided by Microsoft just doesn't recognize movement with anything resembling consistency.

So unless the developer is able to rewrite Microsoft's drivers, or is able to mask the errors somehow by approximating what it things the user is doing regardless of what the user is actually doing (which is what we see in most Kinect games) - don't blame the developers for letting you down.

If you bought a mouse that only recognized a click once every 4-5 times and you couldn't play Diablo, would you blame Blizzard because they didn't fake mouse clicks to approximate what they think you're doing, or would you blame the company that botched your input device?
dedicatedtogamers  +   852d ago
Most sane people were "officially done" with the Kinect at the first E3 showing. A few more people found sanity and were "officially done" with Kinect at the second E3 showing of Kinect just prior to launch. The only people who actually thought Kinect could amount to anything were overly-loyal fansites like Destructoid, Kotaku, etc.

We were all "officially done" with Kinect a long time ago. I'm glad journalists are finally playing catch-up *looks at calendar*. We all knew this three years ago.
360GamerFG  +   852d ago
First hybrid Kinect game tanks, yeah i'm also done with Kinect. No sarcasm.
swansong  +   852d ago
After reading that article, now I know that a grown man can pout and throw a little fit. Seriously, Microsoft never forced me to buy a kinect.
GribbleGrunger  +   852d ago
'After yesterday's review, however, I've come to the realization that the Kinect is a glorified beta test that we've all been suckered into buying.'

Dear God, it took him that long to realise? I've been saying this since we found out that Milo was just a demo. people have been drawn in with the whole, 'so much potential' and bought the kinect based on the fact that MS kept on saying 'the games are coming'.

well Kinect has been a big success and thanks to that success, it's Microsoft's main focus. well done people.
Godmars290  +   852d ago
Sadly, much of this console generation has been a "demo" with developers and publishers testing ideas while selling half finished products at full price. HD graphics costs us much in terms of content, which was sold back to us as DLC.

@Hufandpuf: People didn't realize their mistake when they bought the Wii, the soccer moms who did got tired of it and put it in their closets well before then.
Neko_Mega  +   852d ago
I'm not shock, it didn't look like it would be a game that would be that great with Kinect. I kind of wish you could play it with controller only or they come out with a new Mechwarriors games for 360.
WeskerChildReborned  +   852d ago
I just stick to the traditional controller cause i don't really care about Kinect or Move.
CommanderWTF  +   852d ago
I've never used Kinect, and I don't think I ever will.
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Ethereal  +   852d ago
Okay good. I thought I was the only crazy person that thought it was a joke. I guess we will see what the next gen will bring.
HmongAmerican  +   852d ago
I bet Kinect version 2 already in the work.
irishyort  +   852d ago
Ive seen friends with kids playing it all the time.

Im positive it was released as an alternative to the wii for people with kids that didnt want to buy another console.

You dont hear him saying how bad Disney Adentures was, because an adult "probably" wouldnt play it, but as a kids game it reviewed highly.

Kinect really was aimed at the "should we buy a wii?" crowd. Obviously it took away many sales from the wii too. But dont think for a minute it was aimed at adults as a fully blown controller device. That would be a stupid thought, and throwing tantrums about how good a game should be because you're 30 and wanna be a kid again makes you look like more of an idiot!
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DJ  +   852d ago
*shrug* mech games in general suck, unless the game is called Zone of the Enders...
Shadowolf  +   852d ago
Or HAWKEN, a new F2P mech shooter which is awesome!
vega275  +   852d ago
dueces one less whinner we have to hear from.

everyone i know that own kinect enjoys it and plays with it offen. if you can't get the hang of using it, then that 's your problem not kinect.
gamer7804  +   852d ago
Nothing like taking one game experience and translating that directly to the potential of the control device, if that were the case none of us would own any consoles.

Sure some people had false impressions of what kinect would do. The kinect shouldn't be used for all types of games, it shouldn't be how can we make kinect the controller, but what can we make that the kinects strengths will lend to.
rmedtx  +   852d ago
Well, is too late most xbox 360 consumers own kinect by now. I agree, the device is amazing but the developers' support for it sucks.
Dlacy13g  +   852d ago
What I find funny is that everyone is hammering kinect for this game and not Capcom for some of their horrible, horrible design choices! This game actually could have worked just fine with the kinect had they just used some common sense around kinect weaknesses. It's a shame really... And Capcom not Kinect should be held to the fire.
Stansolo  +   852d ago
Like I've said before, kinects works great with dance games and that it. The rest of kinects games forget them.
Partys, family get togethers that's all the kinect is good for.
The game pad controller still the best...Fact
MilkMan  +   852d ago
Oh I was done when M$ announced it.
I just hope Twisted Pixel doesn't get f@cked in the @ss and M$ pigeon holes them into Kinect wasteland then lays them off cause they cant make games that sale that piece of garbage.
GraveLord  +   852d ago
Hopefully Destructoid stops reviewing Kinect games completely. Is there really a point in reviewing a game that no one cares about? Just write an article saying its broken and be down with it.
josephayal  +   852d ago
I almost cried
One of the best ARTICLE ive ever seen, good job
mochachino  +   852d ago
Kinect doesn't work for games.
OllieBoy  +   852d ago
Worse with Kinect ™
Thatlalala  +   852d ago
Only that is attracctive about Kinect is voice control. Even then, only about 3/4 of the time it works. Only games I feel are "Better with Kinect" are Skyrim and ME3, even then I still found it to be tedious, and not responsive enough.
SegaKnuckles86  +   852d ago
Good thing I didn't buy this device.
jsslifelike  +   852d ago
*cue Kinect Defense Force*

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