Hamza "CTZ" Aziz writes: I owe everyone an apology. This past March, I stated that "Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor validates owning a Kinect." As it turns out, I was so, so wrong. We went as far as having the Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor review pass through the hands of three different Destructoid editors in an attempt to get the game to work, until finally realizing that Heavy Armor is, in fact, simply broken.
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But, it's amazing how when literally one game is bad that means KINECT itself is NOW as bad as that game.
How many standard controller games come out weekly for the 360 and PS3, but you never see these kinds of articles for other consoles even at the height of Wii hate. One bad game doesnt equal them all.
The bottomline bad games come out for Move (Destructoid gave the most anticipated PS3 Move game ever 'Sorcery' a '60'.) Did you see a I'm done with Move article.
We know the mountain of bad games that plagued Wii all those years.
Now you have Kinect which some games work great for and others don't. I've own all of them, but in terms of games that you can play with family and friends Kinect destroys the comp which literally was only Wii.
Every motion control device has it's strength and weaknesses, as for Kinect it's strengths are why 19 million have bought the device. One game won't change that..shame Steel didn't measure up to it's potential. As a fan of the series, I still will give it a try. My Kinect isn't any more special than other review sites but I laugh when they pretend a games controls dont work and your Kinect works perfectly fine.
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Games for it are generally good at parties and can entertain kids, but with an "actual" game so far its only come up short. Other motion controls may be as lame but at least the Wiimote has managed a few success while the Move is an all-purpose light-gun and half decent additional control option.
19 Million bought Kinect because of a half billion a campaign. Now a lot of those people are realizing that.
^also true.
Actually a few million were given away by burger king.Some by Oprah though no idea how many.
At least Wii had some great and unique core-games in oppose to Kinect.
HOw isnt it obvious that Kinect games are mostly crap.
look at kinect games library. lol
....Yeh right!
as soon as the Xbox 720 comes out and Kinect has it's own dedicated CPU you guys will be right back calling Kinect the greatest thing since "sliced Cheese".
Microsoft will hype up a better working Kinect 2, sell another 20 million units, rake in a mega ton of cash, and once they have you guys Hook, line, and sinker they will leave it up to 3rd parties to support Kinect 2.
Then Destructoid will be writing another "We thought Kinect 2 was good but now it's trash article".
The minute they removed kinect's Dedicated CPu i knew Kinect would be CRAP! Hopefully Kinect 2 with a dedicated Cpu (or a CPu fast enough to game and do Kinect functions simultaneously) will be more capable and provide us with better entertainment.
The voice recognition is always making its best guess at what you've said, most of the times it's right but sometimes it won't be.
It the same situation with the motion control, it analyzes the image and tries to guess where you are, sometimes it will guess wrong.
These are limitations inherent in this approach to motion gaming that can never be completely overcome. It can be improved but never completely eliminated.
And other consoles dont get any hate articles?
Really?
Are we reading the same internet?
And you've owned EVERY Kinect game?
Sorry but I cant give your opinion any weight at all after finding that out.
If you're owned EVERY Kinect game, my armpit has better taste than you.
kinect has yet to prove itself as anything more then a casual gaming device.Until it does every so called core game will be considered as prof of it fail.
People are even hating on The Last of Us, clinging to this stupid "scripted" tag like its their last poker chip. Theything they've found a chink in the armour they can exploit and theyre playing it for all its worth.
If thats not proof unwarranted hate isnt still prevalent than I dont know what is.
Really?
Are we reading the same internet?"
Oh right yeh, the Wii gets a few too.........
"People are even hating on The Last of Us, clinging to this stupid "scripted" tag like its their last poker chip. Theything they've found a chink in the armour they can exploit and theyre playing it for all its worth".
The reasoning behind that is because ND SAID it wasn't and then played the same demo on JF show in the exact same way as the E3 demo and every enemy went to the exact same place. Character even spoke the same lines as in the demo. Basically they didnt help their own claim...
But overall hate against the PS3 (or Move) is pretty much non existent in articles on this site.
What I think is happening is they are jumping in and getting their A$$ kicked then when they review it they just go crazy, most of the reviews dont even really tell you whats so hard. To be fair and honest I can say FROM could have tightened up the kinect interface a little bit more it works fine but to make it work perfectly the player has to be aware of themselves and that is a level of immersion gamers arent really used too so it will cause them to go into point of view loops and grab things by mistake.
On top of that FROM did some dirty programming. there are plenty of situations where they just throw you into something give very vague or cluttered instruction and kill you with out revealing what you are suppose to do. This game is not for everybody.
This is a core game I just think it maybe a little bit too core. Look at Destructoid here.... its making him give up on a device that used the device less than any other kinect game released.
"The bottomline bad games come out for Move (Destructoid gave the most anticipated PS3 Move game ever 'Sorcery' a '60'.) Did you see a I'm done with Move article." Yes that's true but you don't see Sony marketing it left, right and centre and making it the centre piece of the PS3. That's the difference, there is more at stake for Xbox with Kinect than there is for the PS3 with the Move. Microsoft have placed their cards first on the Kinect(casual), second on Services & Apps('entertainment hub') and last but not least... proper GAMES!!
Its a shame really and how you defend that (as a gamer in general) is beyond me. Maybe its just that your gaming standards are low.
im glad im not easily taken in by marketing like most of the people here defending this garbage.
Here's the thing though, most developers are limited by the tools provided. I headed up a Kinect project for 4 months using Kinect as an input for a training sim. It was unbelievably frustrating. Using Microsoft's development kit, Kinect was constantly losing the subject, confused by the same movement with different players, seemed confused by any clothing other than tight t-shirts and the biggest problem of all, like this article mentioned, it just didn't recognize movements with any real level of consistency. You were consistently having to do the same motion over and over until Kinect recognized what you were doing.
Now, that had nothing to do with the application we were building and everything to do with the Microsoft kit running Kinect. Kinect is only an input device. At the risk of simplifying a bit much, as far as input goes, "Did I raise my hand?" is no different than "Did I click a mouse button?". It's either true or false. If your mouse drivers aren't working, you can click the button all day. With Kinect, the Kinect device and software provided by Microsoft just doesn't recognize movement with anything resembling consistency.
So unless the developer is able to rewrite Microsoft's drivers, or is able to mask the errors somehow by approximating what it things the user is doing regardless of what the user is actually doing (which is what we see in most Kinect games) - don't blame the developers for letting you down.
If you bought a mouse that only recognized a click once every 4-5 times and you couldn't play Diablo, would you blame Blizzard because they didn't fake mouse clicks to approximate what they think you're doing, or would you blame the company that botched your input device?
We were all "officially done" with Kinect a long time ago. I'm glad journalists are finally playing catch-up *looks at calendar*. We all knew this three years ago.
Dear God, it took him that long to realise? I've been saying this since we found out that Milo was just a demo. people have been drawn in with the whole, 'so much potential' and bought the kinect based on the fact that MS kept on saying 'the games are coming'.
well Kinect has been a big success and thanks to that success, it's Microsoft's main focus. well done people.
@Hufandpuf: People didn't realize their mistake when they bought the Wii, the soccer moms who did got tired of it and put it in their closets well before then.
Im positive it was released as an alternative to the wii for people with kids that didnt want to buy another console.
You dont hear him saying how bad Disney Adentures was, because an adult "probably" wouldnt play it, but as a kids game it reviewed highly.
Kinect really was aimed at the "should we buy a wii?" crowd. Obviously it took away many sales from the wii too. But dont think for a minute it was aimed at adults as a fully blown controller device. That would be a stupid thought, and throwing tantrums about how good a game should be because you're 30 and wanna be a kid again makes you look like more of an idiot!
everyone i know that own kinect enjoys it and plays with it offen. if you can't get the hang of using it, then that 's your problem not kinect.
Sure some people had false impressions of what kinect would do. The kinect shouldn't be used for all types of games, it shouldn't be how can we make kinect the controller, but what can we make that the kinects strengths will lend to.
Partys, family get togethers that's all the kinect is good for.
The game pad controller still the best...Fact
I just hope Twisted Pixel doesn't get f@cked in the @ss and M$ pigeon holes them into Kinect wasteland then lays them off cause they cant make games that sale that piece of garbage.
One of the best ARTICLE ive ever seen, good job