Sony should follow Microsoft and bring PlayStation exclusives to Xbox

Microsoft has confirmed that four first-party games are heading to PlayStation, and with Sony planning to adapt its own exclusivity plans, we think now is a great time for Sony's first-party games to head to Xbox.

[Einhander1972]

No.

Sony should not only not put their games on xbox, Sony and Nintendo should refuse to let Microsoft profit by peddling their old failing games on their consoles.

Microsoft is costing them more than the pennies they will make selling their old games and dollar store indies. Let Microsoft suffer the burden of buying up all these publishers with no way to properly support them.

[Einhander1972]

And I just want to add that this BS is exactly what Microsoft wants, they want to put a bunch of crappy indies and failing games on PlayStation then pay websites to write a bunch of BS about how PlayStation now "owes" Microsoft it's games.

This is the same scam Microsoft has been running since they duped Sony into agreeing to cross play.

Where are the calls for Nintendo to release it's games on xbox eh? Of course that's not getting written, this is just another scam scheme media smear campaign cooked up and paid for by Microsoft.

[InUrFoxHole]

What bad game is xbox trying to put on PS? Please explain to me how having more places to play games is bad for gamers...

[_SilverHawk_]

Yeah sony should follow Microsoft and sell less games and gaming consoles also because it seems like xbox plans have been very successful.

[crazyCoconuts]

@silverhawk - correct. May I be so bold as to suggest Sony should hire Phil away as their next CEO so that he can repeat his winning formula at PlayStation

[fr0sty]

Sony is the market leader, for them to take their exclusive games, which give people reason to buy a PS5 over an Xbox Series S/X, and give them to Microsoft would be stupid. Microsoft is doing it because they have no other choice, their shareholders are getting pissed that they spent nearly $100 billion buying out the industry and still aren't selling any more consoles or gamepass subs (their gamepass subs are at the same point they were 2 years ago, 34 million, and that's INCLUDING Xbox Live Gold subs). Sony does have a choice, they can kick back and let their competition release their games on PS5, and still keep their exclusives, giving people more reason to buy PS5 and less reason to buy Xbox.

[Cacabunga]

How can ps bring their games to Xbox when they are abandoning hardware??? So people who write these article aware of what they are writing?

[shinoff2183]

Funny thing about cross-platform alpt of these younger ones don't know or even refuse to acknowledge is that Sony was more open to this it was originally ms that had the issue with it. At the time they were high and mighty with the 360. I'm not looking it up but look up cross play Defiance.

Far as bad games ms is pushing idk yet the 4 rumored games have a decent track record, I'd buy grounded and hinfi if released physically. Haven't heard of then trying to push redfall or anything.

[Rossi-4-ever]

What xbox wants is games like God of War, Horizon & GT7 on their console because they fully well know PlayStation make the best games even though the Xbox hardware is better..!!!

[itsmebryan]

@_silverHawk
Did you miss when Sony missed their console sales target by 4 MILLION? What about Sony's operating income dropping by 26%? That means they have over 25% less money for R&D, game development , etc... Those numbers are straight from Sony. Sony is not doing as well as you pretend. That is why they are looking for new revenue sources because PS5 and PS5 only games sales are not making it.

[Gunstar75]

Oh dear.

You need a nap

[InUrFoxHole]

@Frosty
Mark my words. Sony will be day and date on pc and will have more games on other platforms. If we know anything it's more $ is what these companies want

[Jingsing]

They also duped Sony into releasing games on PC too which they didn't need to do, Spider-man on Steam 60k+ units vs 10 million on PlayStation. Sony won't feel the pain of that move until PS6. When PS6 launches many people will say, these games are coming to PC so I'll just wait.

[Andrew336]

@Jingsing what are you smoking? Spiderman on PC did fantastic for Sony and when 2 comes out on PC it will be even better.

Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered has sold 1.5 million PC copies.

Marvel's Spider-Man still isn't done writing its page in gaming history, even as Insomniac keeps teasing villains for the sequel. Namely, the Remastered edition of the game just broke a UK sales record by becoming Sony's biggest PC launch in the country, surpassing God of War by a significant margin.

[VariantAEC]

PlayStation was first to allow cross play back in the PS2 era with games like Final Fantasy Online between PS2 and PC. PS reintroduced cross play between different PlayStation console generations PS2, PSP, PS3, and PS Vita. That was all well before Xbox started allowing crossplay in the Xbox One era between Xbox consoles and PCs to bolster Microsoft's online engagement numbers.

[VariantAEC]

@Jingsing
PS also released games on PC way back in the 90s. Not sure they were day and date then, but most aren't day and date now. I agree PS didn't need to do it and you are one of the few people who also recognizes these games aren't selling well on PC either. PC gamers are pirates first and foremost. The PC audience is more than 7 times larger than the entire current-gen console market and yet the global game revenue on PC is mostly relegated to F2P microtransactions... not software sales. Makes me really wonder why Steam even exists. Most PC gamers probably just steal quite literally everything given real software sales numbers for games... either that or hardcore PC gamers are actually one of the smallest audiences.

[BeHunted]

"Sony and Nintendo should refuse to let Microsoft profit by peddling their old failing games on their consoles."

Then there'll be lawsuits heading their way...

[Einhander1972]

Sony and Nintendo, Steam and Epic control licensing on their own platform, they do not have to offer licenses, they deny games all the time.

But it would be karmically hilarious if Microsoft had to sue to get Sony and Nintendo to save them.

[VenomUK]

@Einhander1972 Great opening post that sums up the strong sentiment of many.

I’m of the opinion that if Microsoft does bring its shovelware of Grounded than Sony should tell it to back off - that kinda nonsense actually would demean the PlayStation platform.

[tay8701]

They don't have to allow it. But they will gladly take their 30% cut

[Jin_Sakai]

“Sony and Nintendo should refuse to let Microsoft profit by peddling their old failing games on their consoles.“

Sony will get a 30% cut on all those games and PlayStation fans get to enjoy those once Xbox exclusives. Just don’t expect Sony to release their games on Xbox because it isn’t going to happen. Xbox isn’t even selling well enough to warrant the trouble.

[Einhander1972]

Thirty percent is nothing compared to how much xbox's existence costs them.

Microsoft is taking 70% and using that money to undermine Sony in every way possible, this whole thing is a con to undermine Sony, you're in an article calling for Sony to give up its software and other advantages.

Microsoft gains FAR more than Sony does by having their software on PlayStation and Nintendo consoles. Sony and Nintendo should not make it's business be helping Microsoft bottom line,

When Microsoft stops making xbox then we can start talking about putting their games on other consoles.

[Christopher]

**** Microsoft gains FAR more than Sony does by having their software on PlayStation and Nintendo consoles. Sony and Nintendo should not make it's business be helping Microsoft bottom line, ***

No, just no.

First, Sony gets 30% off the full price. The cost to them is a massive fraction of that.

Second, Microsoft doesn't get 70%, they get whatever is left after marketing/development costs. Including on going costs.

Third, Microsoft also loses marketing to just one console and the higher likelihood that the much larger market reach of Sony. They could lose Xbox sales to people who own both (which is likely most Xbox owners). Game Pass is the biggest thing on Xbox right now, otherwise most people buy their games on Steam compared to Xbox. This will be even more with the transition to a PlayStation release.

With the way Microsoft and Sony are doing it, curating releases of older titles to other platforms, it is the perfect solution. It gets them more money, but also the platform holder. And, it increases the market reach of possible fans of their games (a la Minecraft). Everyone is winning in that game while still maintaining the importance of exclusivity for new releases.

I don't think Microsoft will do same day releases. That would be the worst outcome for them. It would be giving up the whole point of their platform. Same with Sony. I do think certain titles held by third-party license holders will likely force some same day releases, but I don't see it happening otherwise unless one of these hardware manufacturers goes completely out of business.

[Einhander1972]

"First, Sony gets 30% off the full price. The cost to them is a massive fraction of that."

If you want to try to nitpick like that Sony Steam Nintendo ect. don't get 30% either most services have a sliding scale based on sales. And besides that it costs Sony money to host the files and maintain them on their service. And regardless of percent Microsoft gets more than Sony, end of story.. Make a real argument don't try to nitpick what I say.

"Third, Microsoft also loses marketing to just one console and the higher likelihood that the much larger market reach of Sony. They could lose Xbox sales to people who own both (which is likely most Xbox owners). Game Pass is the biggest thing on Xbox right now, otherwise most people buy their games on Steam compared to Xbox. This will be even more with the transition to a PlayStation release."

If Microsoft thought they were going to lose more than they were making they wouldn't do this, basic logic. They can't sell crap on their own console so they have very little to lose, especially on old arse games and dollar store indies.

"With the way Microsoft and Sony are doing it, curating releases of older titles to other platforms, it is the perfect solution. It gets them more money, but also the platform holder. And, it increases the market reach of possible fans of their games (a la Minecraft). Everyone is winning in that game while still maintaining the importance of exclusivity for new releases."

Sony and Nintendo can do this without selling Microsoft games on their platforms or their games on xbox. You might have heard Sony sold over 21m consoles last year, and Nintendo has sold over 130m Switch's. Sony also holds the record for software sales.

The whole problem here is your whole argument is based on some notion that Sony and Nintendo should want xbox to exist at all or that they need to sell games on xbox. If xbox goes under all those gamers would play their games somewhere else. Sony and Nintendo would make more money without competition.

I don't want Sony or Nintendo to give up ANY market share to help xbox, I want xbox to cease to exist and then Sony and Nintendo can take whatever market share is left. And then Microsoft can put whatever games they still create on PlayStation and Nintendo like all the other publishers do.

Sony and Nintendo should not help Microsoft take their market share, it's as simple as that.

[Christopher]

***If Microsoft thought they were going to lose more than they were making they wouldn't do this, basic logic. They can't sell crap on their own console so they have very little to lose, especially on old arse games and dollar store indies. ***

I'm guessing you just want Microsoft out of the game entirely. Cool. That's a shit deal for us gamers. We need Microsoft in the game. If not for the purpose of at least not selling their studios off to Tencent or the like, then to maintain competition with Sony. Much like Microsoft buying up publishers means less competition, so does Microsoft leaving mean the exact same thing. Sony isn't here benevolently. They will maximize profits.

So, if you're going into this argument with this, what I would call, rabid viewpoint? Then there's no arguing with you otherwise. You just want them gone and there is no 'logic' here other than that for you.

But, if you're not, then your logic is all wrong on what this means for the balance of power and what it means for how hurt Microsoft is in the game that they are even testing this out with old games. This is a potential sway towards Microsoft expanding their software options to more than just PC because obviously they're not getting everything they want with their current model of business. Especially with the near $90b tag over their head and the need for Game Pass to start making bucket loads of profit to make sense.

[Chevalier]

"That's a shit deal for us gamers. We need Microsoft in the game. If not for the purpose of at least not selling their studios off to Tencent or the like"

What? The only thing anyone should need from Microsoft is to start making better games. It's not Playstation nor Nintendo's issue that MS/Microsoft can't compete. It still blows my mind that they have such insane resources and still fail to make good games.

[VariantAEC]

Einhander1972
These MS games will not sell that well on PSN. I am personally interested in HiFi Rush but that would've been on PS5 day one if MS didn't buy Tengo. Outside of that... I don't care. Nothing MS has is interesting me or most other people so unless HiFi Rush sells ten times more units than Minecraft, I'm guessing this won't even slow the sinking ship that is Xbox.

[Obscure_Observer]

"Sony should not only not put their games on xbox, Sony and Nintendo should refuse to let Microsoft profit by peddling their old failing games on their consoles."

This is *why* Xbox gamers don´t want Xbox games to be on Playstation either!

You want everything from Xbox while giving nothing in return. Just remember where you stand next time you go out asking Xbox games to be on your favorite platform.

[Einhander1972]

The only thing I want from Microsoft is stop making xbox and competing with Sony.

[Hofstaderman]

I never wanted xbox games. If any xbox games were worth it I would have bought a Series console. I am not alone in this reasoning based on xbox sales..

[Solitariussaint]

Nobody wants Xbox games which is why MS is so desperate to go multiplat now.

[Elda]

I own all 3 current consoles but if I solely owned a PS5 I couldn't care less about those 4 old games (HiFi Rush, Pentiment, Sea Of Theives & Grounded) coming to PS. PS or Nintendo doesn't need any XB exclusives...not one knowing PS & it's exclusives do well on its own.

[outsider1624]

"You want everything from Xbox while giving nothing in return. Just remember where you stand next time you go out asking Xbox games to be on your favorite platform."

You say that like all ps gamers lobbied to microsoft to give up ganes on playstation. No one asked for any of your xbox games on playstation. No ps gamer asked for it. Microsoft made the decision to do that

[Jin_Sakai]

“Nobody wants Xbox games which is why MS is so desperate to go multiplat now.”

What if they sell well in PlayStation? Do we call them PlayStation games then.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I already have a PC and buy most Microsoft games there anyway, the only thing I would want is the remaining Halo and Gears games, I really can't think of many Xbox games I would want if I didn't even have the PC.

[rlow1]

They already have a game on Xbox.

MLB the show….. get over it.

[Elda]

LOL! A baseball game? The only reason it's on XB because the MLB owns the licence & wanted The Show to be multi-plat. You won't be seeing any PS exclusive action/adventure single player games on an XB.

[MrNinosan]

They have Destiny 2 as well.

[Christopher]

Sony doesn't need the market share help like Xbox.

But...

***Sony and Nintendo should refuse to let Microsoft profit by peddling their old failing games on their consoles. ***

This is not good thinking. And it honestly sounds more petty than anything else. Sony and Nintendo will take a 30% cut of all game sales just for Microsoft having to use their platform, which means for doing the same thing they do for everyone else, they will be getting paid to compete even more competently against Microsoft. Restricting it only hurts the industry and their bottom line, doesn't help.

[Einhander1972]

Microsoft doesn't deserve more than zero percent market share. And certainly it's not Sony and Nintendo's job to help Microsoft get market share, that is crazy talk.

Thirty percent is less than the seventy percent Microsoft is getting, and Microsoft is selling them something they would have gotten if Microsoft didn't buy up publishers, which they are now using to ransom and bully Sony into doing what they want.

And you call me petty in the face of what Microsoft is doing and the fact they would happily put PlayStation out of business and have taken some of the biggest franchises away from PlayStation owners for nothing other than self serving goals. But I'm the petty one... sure...

If Microsoft buys all the publishers (who had very profitable businesses) then can't fund them and damages the industry whos fault is that... it's not Sony and Nintendo's fault.

Are you going to blame Sony and Nintendo for the 5000 people who have lost their jobs due to mergers next? Is it Sony and Nintendo's fault that Microsoft created a game service that destroyed their own profits?

It's absolutely bonkers to think Sony and Nintendo have ANY responsibility in propping up Microsoft.

Microsoft 100% would put PlayStation and Nintendo out of business in a heartbeat.

[Christopher]

***And you call me petty in the face of what Microsoft is doing***

Hey, I hate it, but Microsoft is doing legal stuff and spending tons of money to do it that could result in utter failure by 2027. They're going an extremely risky route.

***If Microsoft buys all the publishers (who had very profitable businesses) then can't fund them and damages the industry whos fault is that...***

Theirs. And, guess what, their share holders will force them to sell those purchases to make back losses and to focus on more profitable areas of the business. Microsoft isn't just willing to lose money over and over when they're hurting primarily themselves and their bottom line. Sony and Nintendo aren't reliant on Microsoft still.

***Are you going to blame Sony and Nintendo for the 5000 people who have lost their jobs due to mergers next?***

You're confused and blaming the wrong people. Blame the governments for allowing this level of centralization under one company. Blame ABK for selling in the first place. Blame Gearbox and others with executives focused on lining their pockets with money than concerns for the industry.

*** It's absolutely bonkers to think Sony and Nintendo have ANY responsibility in propping up Microsoft. ***

What's bonkers is you thinking that Microsoft putting their games on other platforms is a sign that they're using Sony and Nintendo and not that they are reliant on them to continue existing. This is a sign of Microsoft heading more and more towards being a software company, not them putting the competition out of business.

[Einhander1972]

"Hey, I hate it,"

No, you encourage it. You are encouraging it right now.

"Theirs. And, guess what, their share holders will force them to sell those purchases to make back losses and to focus on more profitable areas of the business. Microsoft isn't just willing to lose money over and over when they're hurting primarily themselves and their bottom line. Sony and Nintendo aren't reliant on Microsoft still."

What does that have to do with anything? Let them bleed money, why should I, Sony or Nintendo care? If their shareholder force them to sell, good, hope it happens sooner than later. Hopefully Sony and Nintendo not helping them sell games and make profits accelerates that process. That's kind of my whole point.

"You're confused and blaming the wrong people. Blame the governments for allowing this level of centralization under one company. Blame ABK for selling in the first place. Blame Gearbox and others with executives focused on lining their pockets with money than concerns for the industry."

What the heck are you even talking about... all your doing is shifting the blame and it's a pretty sad attempt at that... This is also just a sad tired "oh hate the government" "government bad" excuse, I'm disappointed you chose to go down that route, perhaps you think by saying "government bad" you'll get upvotes, and on this site you might, but it's still wrong and a bad argument.

(P.S. the FTC is still fighting this merger.)

"What's bonkers is you thinking that Microsoft putting their games on other platforms is a sign that they're using Sony and Nintendo and not that they are reliant on them to continue existing. This is a sign of Microsoft heading more and more towards being a software company, not them putting the competition out of business."

No, if that was true they wouldn't be making another console and they wouldn't be putting old games and indies on PlayStation. When Microsoft starts putting big games on PlayStation and Nintendo and stops competing with them directly then you can make that statement, not until then. Until then they are just using this to to help a business which DIRECTLY competes and takes money away from PlayStation and Nintendo.

FLAT OUT Microsoft is doing this to benefit themselves, not Sony or Nintendo. This is not altruism.

[Christopher]

*** No, you encourage it. You are encouraging it right now. ***

No, I'm not. This isn't some all or none game. World doesn't work like that. I'm not sitting here saying "Everyone should buy Microsoft games right now! If you don't buy, you're hurting Microsoft and they need money more than Sony or Nintendo so you have to buy their games!"

Me explaining how business works to you isn't me going "Man, I'm really happy we're in this spot in the first place." Nor do I think "Bleed Microsoft dry and force them to sell everything off to another conglomerate." is the right answer here.

So, no. You're just wrong. You're arguing irrationally.

***What the heck are you even talking about... all your doing is shifting the blame and it's a pretty sad attempt at that...***

You don't understand how any of this works. Honestly. In order to stop businesses from doing anything, you need governments and agencies focused on stopping them from doing too much. Without them, Microsoft would have won ages ago.

You're arguing irrationally and ignorantly.

*** FLAT OUT Microsoft is doing this to benefit themselves, not Sony or Nintendo. This is not altruism. ***

FLAT OUT. Microsoft is being forced to do this because of the losing position they've put themselves into and this benefits Sony and Nintendo more than them. Sony and Nintendo aren't changing their market reach, Microsoft is losing theirs. Plain and simple.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Hold your ground ein. Chris is not understanding that Microsoft is trying to put themselves in a position of control. If they control the most popular franchises, they can try and dictate terms on who gets what and for how much.

It's definitely a ploy. Sony was already getting these games and profiting on their releases on PlayStation from 3rd parties. Now, Microsoft is in the position to tell others what they can get and profit off of their competitors. If they can't support themselves and grow themselves, then they want to profit off of the other two. Which is unheard of in the game industry where your competitor makes money off of your console business.

Actually, it's not unheard of when it comes to Microsoft. If you remember the Immersion lawsuit, Microsoft gave in about haptic feedback. Then, invested into Immersion with their lawsuit against Sony to profit off of the lawsuit. Even though Immersion tried to squirm out of paying Microsoft, they later made Microsoft richer off of Sony.

And I'm right there with you. Sony and Nintendo should deny Microsoft access to their consoles. And let things fall where they may. If Microsoft wants to buy up the industry, then make them pay for it. If jobs are lost, it will be Microsoft's fault, Kotick and every greedy bum involved in selling those developers to Microsoft.

The only way to let Microsoft know that what they did was unquestionably ridiculous, is to make them pay in the millions of dollars in losses as their platform continues to shrink. The industry can survive without Microsoft. After the industry crash, things picked up because of Nintendo. When all the other competitors dropped out the race, Nintendo and Sega thrived. The industry thrived when Sony targeted teens and young adults. When Sega dropped out, the industry continued. Microsoft leaving will not stop the industry from going. It'll be rocky, then thrive once more. Screw Microsoft. They deserve no Sony games on their platform. And they don't deserve porting their games to others after being shady and spending billions to control the most popular franchises.

[Gamer75]

Sony could put some of their older games on Xbox like they do for PC

[badz149]

Who wrote this piece of crap? Phil Spencer?

[Solitariussaint]

Right on brother!

[Tedakin]

Okay. In the future Microsoft can stop putting Call of Duty on PS and kill the brand. Jim Ryan's words, not mine :)

[shinoff2183]

Maybe not in the end. It'd all go back up. If ms got to a point where everything released on ps it would sell more consoles, more games. Gotta buy these games on something. Alot of people would migrate.

[Markdn]

Great comment I couldn't have said it more perfect myself, And lik we should agree with the comments on a clearly xbox pushing biased website. That deletes. Comments it doesn't agree with loooool. Poor journalism at its peak with this article. Maybe he missed the /S at the end of it lol

[1Victor]

First of all I’m not going to waste my time on this article just the headline sound like a post from Orchard latest account 45 minutes ago with a January 1 birthday.
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Now to answer the article headline, since when have the gaming industry followed the company in last place except for copying positive change to the community.
Sony is making money, sold 52m consoles,PSN is making money without day 1 exclusivity, PlayStation community/PC BUY GAMES. Xbox is bleeding money since day 1 but hey Microsoft can buy Sony if they want they got the money and can keep putting trucks loads of money in the hole called Xbox forever 🤦🏿
Editing for thumbs mis writing

[Andrew336]

Hi fi Rush and Grounded both reviewed well. Also Sea of Thieves has come a long way since its release so don't pretend like they are some trash games that nobody wants.

[GhostScholar]

That is outlandish 🤣 I hate to rub the ponies in here the wrong way but sea of thieves is a huge success and hardly failing. Whether you are interested in it or not is fine, but pentiment, Hi fi rush, sea of thieves, and grounded are all very good games. are they cinematic 3rd person crying simulators like most Sony first party? No, but good none the less

[Terry_B]

Lol.

[MaximusPrime_]

Unlike Microsoft, Sony aren't struggling, so no need to go multiplat

[purple101]

Sony: “helldivers doing well, better hire more and expand that team”

Microsoft: “Damn this quarters financials are a disaster, quick get rid of another 100 people at blizzard, that’ll fix it”

[BlackCountryBob]

But the weird thing is, Disaster financials for Microsoft was “only” making $146 billion profit in 2023.

[Moe-Gunz]

@Purple I agree with your statement. However, just distinguish Xbox from MS as a whole. Microsoft is doing well. Xbox division is not.

[InUrFoxHole]

Oh god. Dude you are delusional 😂 🤣 🙄

[Christopher]

Care to explain how they are delusional rather than emoji your way out of a real argument?

[InUrFoxHole]

@Chris
Sure sweetie. Sony is already multiplat. Case closed. Move along now. Here's an emoji for the road ... ✌️

[Christopher]

***Sony is already multiplat. Case closed.***

I mean, if you want to equate a handful of Sony games versus every Xbox game going same day and release on PC and now, curated games similar to Sony, going to competing consoles, sure.

Thank you for at least explaining your argument.

[InUrFoxHole]

@Chris
This is the way. Sony fans need to accept this now. Day and date will be the standard. I don't get the push back from some gamers. As consumers I see nothing wrong with having the ability to play all games

[Tedakin]

You haven't been following the news very closely have you?

[BehindTheRows]

What news?

[Zeref]

Have you been living under a rock? Sony is selling hardware. But they are struggling with their profit margins. Their games are too expensive and aren't profitable enough.

This is straight from their CEO's mouth.

Also with MS owning ABK. If anyone is struggling between the two. It's Sony lol

[Crows90]

It doesn't cost them too much when they make it all back and lots more. That makes no sense.

But when MS just keeps on giving handouts to Xbox with no returns yeah....eventually daddy has to open the big wallet to get Xbox something shiny...

[Zeref]

Don't shoot the messenger

https://x.com/tomwarren/sta...

[neomahi]

That's all that needs to be said, really

[Zeref]

Their own investors disagree.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/0...

[RaidenBlack]

If you really gotta bring some exclusive PS love to Xbox,
Other than maybe some older GaaS (remember Destruction AllStars?) or maybe FF7 Remake Intergrade (if SE insists) and SpiderMan 1(if Marvel insists)? ... I dont think any other PS title is jumping to Xbox anytime soon.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Nope it's not smart imo

[Jin_Sakai]

Says an Xbox site. Lol

Xbox is on life support is why they’re bringing games to competing platforms. That and the fact that they’re becoming the world’s largest publisher. Soon to be 3rd party publisher.

[derek]

The stupidity on display with this kind of thinking is a symptom of the childish nature of video game journalism.

[Tedakin]

This is more childish than middle aged men console warring?

[derek]

@Tedakin, don't know what relevance that has to with the article? Stick to the topic at hand.

[Sharky231]

Why? Sony doesn’t need to give anything to MS. Hell they got all the money. They’re too big to fail. They just keep throwing money at Xbox hoping something will stick. Even if Xbox puts games on PlayStation. Sony gets 30% of every game sold on the store. That just further helps Sony. Besides Xbox only has a few games that I even like anyways. Gears and maybe one other. Would love to continue to play Fallout and Elder Scrolls. Since those games were multiplat anyways. Until MS bought everything they couldn’t create. I think that’s the thing that bugs me the most.

[tehpees3]

No company is too big to fail. It’s the ‘too big to fail’ mentality that Don Mattrick had with the 360 that Microsoft still haven’t recovered from. Sony especially not being as rich as Microsoft, they can also fail.

[CrashMania]

Tell me why Sony should put their games on a console that's selling at a snails pace compared to their own platform, where msot of the fanbase is still drunk on gamepass and won't buy the games anyway? Also after MS spending 80 billion, making countless multiplatforms future uncertain on the playstation platform, why should Sony do MS any favours? If MS want to put some more of their games beyond the 4 on playstation then that's on them, this is exactly the sort of narrative Phil wants to spin with his console warring ways, like his comment about Helldivers.

Ridiculous article.

[northpaws]

For Xbox it makes sense for them to port to PS, because PS sells way more hardwares... what is the benefits of selling PS exclusives on Xbox? To make their brand weaker?

[rlow1]

All this is mute, like I said above. Sony already put a game on Xbox. MLB the Show. Even if they were forced by contract, they could have walked away. But the money is too good to walk away.

[Christopher]

Yeah, that's not how that works. The only reason is because they were forced and they didn't want to lose the money. They don't have that issue with other IPs. One item where they don't own the licensing/IP doesn't determine how they handle their own licenses/IPs.

[rlow1]

The how and why doesn’t matter. It’s on the system period. Rant all you want, it’s on there.

[Silly Mammo]

*moot. All this is moot...

[Crows90]

The how and why is absolutely relevant. Sony doesn't own the IP. So yeah...not one if their games. Hopefully thinking of it in that light helps you out.

[rlow1]

But it’s also a first party title. Made and developed by Sony. All I’m trying to point out, times are changing and everything is much more expensive. Including the costs of making games. 5-6!years ago, nobody would believe that they would put games on a PC. That ship has sailed, where will they be in the next 5-6 years?

[SimpleSlave]

They should. And Nintendo should bring their games to XBOX and Playstation. And now all three machines will be the same thing. Fantastic Idea!

And that is how Capitalism works...

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Sarcasm was great

[SimpleSlave]

I find that Sarcasm always helps put these type of things into perspective. Plus it's always fun.

Glad you appreciate it. 👍

[Hereandthere]

Ha, no, why would they what to kill themselves trying to optimize their games for the series s? Also, all xbox 1st party games are cheap low budget, low effort last gen looking games.

[Abnor_Mal]

“ Abnor_Mal40d ago (Edited 40d ago )
Well all know that even if it doesn’t sell well on PS it will likely have sold way better than it did on Xbox. If it does well then you can expect them to start porting their smaller games at first.

Then they will start porting their bigger games looking for that PlayStation money.

Finally, they will start talking about they don’t believe in exclusives, again, and say gamers should be able to play their games they bought where ever on whatever device. Once the sheep get on board with that mindset, MS will start demanding that PlayStation also release their games on other systems including Gamepass. It’s just a matter of time before we start hearing as much.”

9^ 9v

So it begins.

https://n4g.com/news/258042...

This same articles comment section is ten pages of people saying just as much.

[Skuletor]

Phil already mentioned he doesn't believe exclusives will really be a thing in the future, in that recent Podcast where they all looked depressed.

[anast]

HA!

[Kekewei]

I won't say xbox gamers don't buy games , but xbox retail market is pretty small compared to the other two, just not worth it. Unless maybe... Sony want to bring their games to gamepass, cause xbox subscription base is large , it still doesn't make much sense while playstation has its own service.

[ChasterMies]

No. Xbox has to die first. Microsoft is too big, $3T, largest market cap in the world. Microsoft could crush PlayStation simply by outspending them, and then own a total monopoly over gaming in the living room. In this kind of asymmetric warfare, Sony can’t play by Microsoft’s rules.

[Hofstaderman]

XBOX on its last legs and now on life support with Satya looking to pull the plug. Its a matter of time, Phil had to dance to a script in that podcast but its very apparent its out of his hands. They easing you guys into the transition and you too dumb and/or in denial to see whats happening.

[jznrpg]

Xbox owners don’t buy games that why Xbox is willing to put games elsewhere.

I won’t buy Xbox games on Ps or anywhere else.

[Kekewei]

MS bet too much on gamepass and the cost is its retail market share. The situation right now is that Microsoft need playstation and switch , but Sony and Nintendo don't need xbox.

[X-23]

No. Microsoft has been trying to make their problems everyone else's this entire generation and then some. Nintendo and Sony need to stay far away from Microsoft's bad decision making and just continue on expanding on the things that have made them both successful.

[randomvoice]

F that. MS needs to do this because their games don't sell and they have to recoup the money because no one buys their games for 70 bucks since they're on gamepass. Sony doesn't need to do that shit because by default, most of their projects are profitable on day 1.

[Spenok]

LOLOLOL!

Good one.

[Elda]

There's a reason why there are different consoles on the market which are PlayStation, XB & Nintendo. All consoles differentiate from each other due to first-party exclusives including some 2nd & 3rd party exclusives. If all consoles played the same games especially first-party exclusives then there's no need to buy different consoles.

[GamingSinceForever]

Exactly.

I the idea of no exclusivity is insane. But if I’m being honest the fact that we give a shit is also insane. We do not own any of these companies. As a gamer why does this truly matter? You could have access to any franchise on a single console.

[jznrpg]

Because some companies make good games and some don’t. I want to support the companies that give me good games. That’s why I don’t own an Xbox. If they made their own games from the start I would own one but instead they are trying to force people to their platform buying up multiplatform companies. The problem for them is I can live without ABK games as I didn’t buy them anyway. Zenimax games aren’t much better these days either.

[gold_drake]

ehm why?
sony is not struggling in either hardware or software

[Knightofelemia]

PC I can understand give the game a new breath of life. But Kratos on Xbox I highly doubt Sony will go that far.

[BlaqMagiq1]

Absolutely not. It's MS that wants to do this not the other way around. There is no need for PS to do the same. Glad I have a PS5+Switch to enjoy MS first party games on top of PS and Ninty first party games. Can't wait to see more come down the line.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

MSFT should just allow the next iteration of Xbox to play pc games in a sandboxed environment

[Barlos]

No, it shouldn't. Xbox needs those sales, playstation doesn't

[dveio]

I wonder what Nintendo and Sony would be strategically thinking of to allow these 4 rumored Xbox games going to get released on their consoles.

Of course, there is some money in it. And it's probably going to open up some negotiation advantages for future deals?

And to be fair, though I am no lawyer, I can actually see some legal reasoning that wouldn't allow Sony to just deny Microsoft's wish to publish on Playstation. With all the buzz we saw in recent years with restrictive app stores and such.

Emotionally speaking though, I couldn't care less about Xbox games coming to other consoles.

I can even imagine the next Elder Scroll's failing to meet expectations. And as far as COD goes - Helldivers 2 is proof enough that Sony CAN establish new shooter IPs.

In the very end, I just truly dislike Microsoft's strategies, buyouts and once leaked plans to go after Nintendo and push Sony out of the market.

And rather rationally than emotionally speaking, looking at their raw sub numbers and badder than Xbox One hardware sales, I can see many others dislike them, too.

[YourMommySpoils]

Like hell no.

[raWfodog]

Yes, Sony should bring their exclusives to Xbox. Soon after they buy a major publisher.

[Bathyj]

Haha.
Sony isn't desperate for paying customers.
Xbox is

You know what's going to be really interesting?
When Xbox games come to PlayStation and they have trophies, not achievements.

What you don't really think Sony will allow achievements and that little Xbox pop do you? Xbox games will be on PlayStation by Sony's leave. Their behest. Sony are not the ones with their hat in their hands.

Bookmark this page. That is a lock. It's going to be hilarious to see the meltdown.

God why does every Xbox fan want PlayStation dragged down to their level? You should be wanting Xbox to rise up to PlayStations level.

[Skuletor]

Haha. Wait, you're serious?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[sagapo]

This will never happen imo.

[isarai]

Nah.

[Rossi-4-ever]

Hahahaha

It's funny because they know Sony exclusives are kick ass and all their games are sub par at best...

Good luck trying to get GT7 on Xbox anytime in the next 100 years

[Profchaos]

Yeah and Nintendo should bring Zelda to PlayStation to. /S

Microsoft's in last place it only makes sense they want to disrupt the status quo

[Tedakin]

Helldivers 2 will come to Xbox in the future. And PS games will go day and date on PC, and not just the GAAS ones :)

[hiroyukisanada]

Nope

[Rols]

PlayStation can port over Destruction All stars, Foamstars, The Last Guardian and Astro’s playroom. Or is it typically expected PS port over its First party top tier games despite Xbox not releasing Starfield over but complains about Helldivers 2 not coming to Xbox. Xbox needs PS more than PS needs Xbox.

[Chocoburger]

Foamstars is a Square-Enix game.
The Last Guardian wouldn't find an audience on the Xbox platform, they're always focused on shooters, racers, and sports.

[XBManiac]

Two more platforms to develop games for and a small retail market for games? Well... maybe it is not a smart move for Sony because they will lose money. But it could be good as a marketing move, because people who just have Xbox will know the Sony brand... well... everybody knows the Sony brand... What would be the gain for Sony in terms of investment in Xbox? The answer is... NO.

[Futureshark]

Did Phil Spencer's alt account write this?

[BehindTheRows]

They should do no such thing. You don’t put your games on a dying platform.

Xbox is only doing this because they’ve run out of options.

[GamingSinceForever]

Why we’re at it I guess Burger King should start selling Big Macs, and Coca Cola should sell Pepsi from their vending machines too.

[MehmetAlperTR]

no need...

[Vader82]

I grew up with the Sega Nintendo rivalry and it was great. Keep it that way. That's the whole point of competition. If you want to play all the console or PC exclusives suck it up and buy the hardware, that's the point isn't it?

[Crows90]

No

[vTuro24]

Bold move posting an article like that on Sony HQ.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

Xbox doesn't have a choice because they're just not selling the hardware. I don't think Sony has done a good job this gen compared to previous gens, but why would they give up one of their biggest advantages over Microsoft? Porting their pool of exclusives over would only hurt Playstation (they already share their older exclusives with PC anyway), they're the market leader, they're the ones selling hardware hand over fist. Nintendo wouldn't be silly enough to do it either, especially when they have the strongest lineup of games this gen.

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

No.

Make Xbox contribute first.

Xbox has been promising games for over a decade, and they never came. They needed to panic buy $80 billion worth of studios and IPs just so that they could offer Starfield last minute.

I’m glad Xbox is saving Stalker 2, but HiFi Rush and Starfield existed without M$.

Helldivers 2 was supported for NINE years by Sony. It would not exist if not for Sony. What great games can say that about M$?

Exclusive games are great for capitalism and competition, because they motivate the biggest publishers to take the biggest risks in order to foster innovation of the medium. Too bad M$, the richest of the 3 console publishers, has done the least to foster innovation.

MAKE, not acquire, a game comparable to Spider-Man 2, and I’d be open to the idea of trading exclusives. But we are very, very far from that.

[VariantAEC]

"MAKE, not acquire, a game comparable to Spider-Man 2, and I’d be open to the idea of trading exclusives. But we are very, very far from that."
If MS could make games like that, I'd tell you to buy an Xbox and not be a disgusting port beggar.

[ironmonkey]

Sony Nada in 3rd place. Helldivers 2 prime example of every Sony title on a league of it's own and available on PC. Outsell, outperform. When your desperate, you make video announcement, make it look professional and talk about how you had this plan for a long time. Convince that community that this is the wow and amazing let's share company. Jahovas witness no thank you.

[Agent75]

Single format. I'm sick of all these console and also the cost. £70 for game is something I can't afford.

[purple101]

Luckily you can always get them much cheaper via online sellers such as

Base.com
Games365.com
Shopto.net

[dogmanx23]

No they shouldn't...

[FlavorLav01]

Who wrote this piece again,…Phil Spencer?

[Bronbron92]

MLB the show is on Xbox now, and with helldivers 2 being a huge success people just pushing for only that game to become multi platform, don’t remember much talk when the first helldivers released lol

[neomahi]

No. And I wouldn't even say the same for Nintendo. Xbox and PlayStation consoles are pretty much the same thing these days, why should you have to buy the same console twice? And in an era (I still disagree with) with mid-gen refreshes, shoot..... That's four gaming consoles at $500 in 6 years.

So, here's what's happening. By Xbox going third-party, they have less of an influence on dictating the market, and it's Xbox's business practices that's a major problem, that's what needs to be flushed out. Now, N4G isn't going to allow me enough characters to make my full point, because it's deep and you have to be able to lay the groundwork for it, but it's just not possible, but do your research and you'll see it. Paid DLC came about as the result of Xbox. Microtransactions was Xbox, Electronic Arts, Activision, and Ubisoft making a push trying to mimic the mobile market. Electronic Arts was pushing Lootboxes and it was such a problem, the United States legal system had to kick in an ban it...... But it didn't stop them, those card packs you get for Ultimate Team? It's a digital slot machine that exists in NFL games (only developed by EA) and NHL games (only developed by EA because 2K doesn't want to compete with them). To stay relevant in the gaming world, Sony followed suit with The Show and Nintendo now does microtransactions. Xbox has always been at the forefront to support this and pick the gamers pocket. It didn't start out this way, it was Xbox trying to get some kind of exclusivity where Sony had been in the market so long, like Nintendo that had spent years building relationships, Microsoft just did what they always did and reached in their deep pockets...... Way to work for and earn your success Microsoft. But today, developers complete their game and before it goes Gold and they head off for vacation, they dissect the game and sell you 60% of the game, let's say, and store the other 40% for later. That 60% they sell you today for $69.99 and then sell you the remaining 40% to follow their business plan for the duration of the game. At some point, if the games big enough and the teams we'll rested, they'll create more. An example of this, if you're smart, you can see with Street Fighter 6 and watching Xbox's documentary on bringing Killer Instinct back to the Xbox, you can see the shady details but, I only have 4,000 characters.

Sony, however, is sort of trying to come back from this with the old PS2 mentality. Legends was DLC given for free to those who bought Ghost of Tsushima. Valhalla was DLC given for free to those who bought God of War Ragnarok, and Capcom even dipped their toe in with VR DLC given for free to those who bought the PlayStation 5 version of Resident Evil 4 Remake. This is how it should have been, but Xbox changed that. When you buy that game, you've boughten the game, that's why sequels existed.

This is just one example of Xbox's business practices

[VariantAEC]

I know you won't understand this, but you've literally just argued that the current market demands that users pay for DLC so that we can keep getting new games. Not just for Xbox (which will probably wither away), but for PS especially and also for Nintendo.

[Junghova]

If I wanted any Xbox games I would have purchased an Xbox and.not a ps5....

[SaveFerris]

I don't think Sony would want to put their exclusives on Xbox nor do I think they need to, but they are probably heading into some of the same problems with game development costs and flat subscriber numbers. Sony will be hoping Concord has the same kind of success as Helldivers 2 on both PS5 and PC.

[RGB]

Microsoft are only doing this because they are in a position of weakness, Sony isn't, so won't.

[StormSnooper]

That would NOT be an even exchange lol

[purple101]

you are in the playground,

you just tricked some gullible kid

into giving you a shiny/hologram for 4 normal football cards

hehe

[Kakashi Hatake]

Xbox doesn't sell well. Most of it's games sell best on PC. That's the opposite for Playstation. This would be a waste of time for Sony.

[tay8701]

Oh here we go, xbox users are gonna start port begging. Not going to happen. Phil and Co are already starting in on helldivers 2.

[NiceneCreeder]

why? that's what losers do.

[Ra3030]

No Sony has need to port games to Microsoft Xbox that would serve absolutely no purpose at all, none!.. The Xbox gamer should they if they want to play a PlayStation game they should get a PS5 like everyone else or at least a PC. Now if they can't afford such a purchase and they own a Xbox console then they simply choose unwisely but they could sell that Xbox for value and apply that with pennies saved and purchase a PS5.....now if the Xbox gamers aren't willing to do that then they really don't want the games they beg for from Sony. Microsoft and Xbox put themselves in this situation and the Xbox gamers are where they want to be so IMO its time to just STFU! We as gamers just like Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft aren't in this together and the biggest problem with this divided gaming community is Microsoft made this way because they choose this divided path by feeding the Console War for over 20+yrs with hate a toxic behavior by paying the Kardashian type Influencers to spread false and negative narratives and then paying the gaming media to do the very same thing and are still doing it to this day.

[NextGenCeo]

Womens :D :D XD

[RhinoGamer88]

Frankly, I feel that if you are a hardcore gamer, you have both systems. I have done this for the last 15 years. Then I never miss a game...other than Nintendo games (not a fan).

[P_Bomb]

Walk into McDonalds and demand a Whopper while you’re at it.

[wesnytsfs]

I think that is a bit to far. I think they should release their PC games way closer if not at same time as their console release. That is untapped revenue they should eye to help offset costs of those expensive story driven games. The games are developed on PCs anyways. Even a 6 month window would be more than enough you can satisfy your hard cores with the exclusive window and then reap the rewards of the a still fresh game to pc gamers in that time frame.