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Sony Expects 77M Total Shipped PS5 Units, Helldivers 2 Beats GOW Ragnarok’s Sales Record

Sales of Arrowhead Studios' third-person shooter, Helldivers 2, have surpassed 12 million copies, beating God of War Ragnarok's record.

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Babadook7130d ago

77m in under a year is mighty impressive.

badz149130d ago

what?? dude, this is for total PS5 shipment, not total sales for Helldivers 2 LOL

Babadook7130d ago (Edited 130d ago )

@Badz

Lol.

I hope you aren’t suggesting this is an all time sales forecast. I was referring to the actual time stated. FY2025 is in pretty much one year. Just under as I stated.

PrinceOfAnger130d ago

Good, now release the games day-one on PC.

Kakashi Hatake130d ago

That would dip into hardware sales. This game did well on PC because it's a multi-player game.

purple101130d ago

am I correct in thinking games like helldivers can't be easily pirated, as they come with constant updates to the content, so new pirated/cracked version would have to be installed every bloody day

but single player one-and-done games, can EASILY be pirated. Choice.

maybe this is also why Helldivers sold well on pc, aside form fans liking it of course.

darthv72130d ago

Sony makes more $$ off software anyways so it wouldnt hurt things as much as you think. There will still be the console only people to buy the specialized hardware... why make PC players wait any longer than they already do?

S2Killinit130d ago

@Darth
Because PlayStation is a console and we love consoles.

Babadook7130d ago (Edited 130d ago )

@Darth

The big money in consoles, or Steam for that matter, is in the 30% cut that you make on all games. This is why Xbox is pretty much screwed as they didn't target that. If Sony puts everything on PC they will lose their share of 3rd party games as those 3rd party games would be bought on PC. Its best to keep your platform the thriving ecosystem hence you give timed exclusives to your home console, unless the game is not relevant such as GAAS which might as well be on PC day one.

darthv72130d ago

Dook, your assessment implies that console players are just jumping ship to PC and that is not the case. PC players play on PC, console players play on console and then you have this small segment that sits in the middle that go between the two. Sony would not lose 3rd party $$ as they still have their console fanbase who only play on their console. Sony putting their games more frequently on PC will yield them even greater sales as the PC players would not have to wait as long to buy. Now Sony may lose a percentage to Valve... but they make it back in overall revenue from both console and pc markets. We have seen what happens when sony releases a PS game on PC. Its nearly a hit every time, and sony sees this as well, so you know they are looking even more closely at the idea of more frequent PC releases.

And like S2 says, console people love consoles so, again, they really have nothing to lose and everything to gain by putting their games on PC as well as console. Like i siad, there will always be a console market to sell to... why not take advantage of the PC market in addition to that. Nobody can come up with a proper way to refute this. And this is why Sony is eyeballing PC more and more.

badz149130d ago

@darthv72

the one that makes real money from the sales of Helldivers 2 on PC is Valve! that sweet nectar of 30% cut while doing nothing is so addictive for Gaben. sorry to burst your bubble but Sony makes more money selling the game on PSN than on Steam

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Redemption-64130d ago

Will not happen. Some games do better on consoles and some extra money 2+ years later and I expect companies such as Sony and Rockstar will keep doing that

CrimsonWing69130d ago

Didn’t this sell way better on PC by a large margin? Why would you, in the position of a business making money, want to limit yourself to possible poor sales on a single platform instead of releasing on more while the hype iron’s hot?

This whole console vs PC fanboyism isn’t making Sony money. Look at Square straight up pulling away from exclusivity and now going for an aggressive multiplatform release campaign. I’m pretty sure Day 1 on console and PC is happening.

Redemption-64130d ago

@CrimsonWing69

You would be right if we all pretend Helldivers is the only game Sony has. As a business man, you look at history, not just one example. There is a reason Rockstar can release their games on consoles only, sell 10s of millions, then release them on PC later. Xbox has been doing day 1 and tell me, how high has their sales been? It's understandable for a live service game, but for single player games, Sony is better off doing what they planned. Release exclusively on PS, then wait 2-3 years, then re-release at full price again.

And no, it didn't sell better on PC by a large margin. It was initially 50/50, as stater by the director, but was later giving more information from NPD (Circana) as PC 60, PS 40, but that was in North America.
Absolutely no one thought Helldivers 2 was going to sell this much, not even the studio and I don't expect all live service games from Sony to sell that much.

Chevalier130d ago

"Didn’t this sell way better on PC by a large margin? "

60/40 is hardly a larger margin

Tedakin130d ago

All the games Sony is releasing on PC 2 years later aren't performing well. If they had put Spider-Man 2 day one on PC it would have sold millions on there.

Redemption-64129d ago

@Tedakin

That might work for some games, but not most. I mean people were claiming Xbox games were going to sell more with day on PC. Tell me, how is that going? Also, keeping single player games exclusive is far more valuable than day 1 on PC. A new user's who buys a new Playstation for Spider-Man 2, GOWR or the Last of us 2 has far more value to Sony than a PC gamer.

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Cacabunga130d ago

I would stop supporting Sony hardware.. especially now that trophies are also on PC.

For their own sake they better keep making console exclusives and keep an eye on what big of a joke xbox has become

Profchaos130d ago (Edited 130d ago )

That worked out well for Xbox right I think a two year gap is actually extremely generous as a PC player and a console player if the game is first party comes to PC day and date it does devalue the purpose of console hardware and exclusives.

@darth Sony make no money on console hardware always has been the case give away the shaver and sell the razor model

They make 30 percent on everything sold first second or third party on the system.

If they did r sell hardware at a loss we would be seeing console proces spike as much as 50 percent

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Tzuno130d ago

sony eats their nails in stress because they didn't make this a ps5 only game

DarXyde130d ago

Doubt it.

Anyone with a PS5 that wanted Helldivers 2 probably has Helldivers 2 on PS5.

Otherwise, I don't see very many people buying a PS5 just to play this game.

WelkinCole130d ago

Yeah also its really for the PC/Online gamers. I doubt it would have made as much just being on the PS5. Also as you said its not a game that would get people to go out and buy a 400 plus dollar console just to play it.

DarXyde130d ago

WelkinCole,

Right.

That would just be cavalier, if we're keeping it real. Typically, people buy into an ecosystem for the breadth of the games portfolio. Buying a PS5 for one game is just unrealistic.

Stripping away any of the convoluted reasons for buying a console, it's pretty simple:

1. You buy it knowing it'll eventually have the games you want (early adopters).

2. You buy it because it has the games you want now (enough of a portfolio).

3. Because it has the best version or one that your social circle bought into.

4. Because you can't play the games anywhere else (the caveat being that there are ENOUGH games to warrant the investment as an exclusives machine).

With the rise of PC ports of PlayStation titles however, there's another dimension here...

5. Immediacy.

Buying one just for what was once a niche franchise is absolutely an outlier.

neutralgamer1992130d ago (Edited 130d ago )

The gaming business has evolved, and PC is now seen as just another platform to release games on rather than direct competition for the same market share. Most PC gamers don't own consoles. Personally, I was a console gamer until last year. I grew frustrated with the constant greed in the console market and the lack of unity among console gamers to demand change.

Take Helldivers 2 as an example—Sony tried to push their PSN policies, but PC gamers pushed back effectively. On consoles, though, there's a persistent defense of corporate practices. Look at the differing narratives around Microsoft's and Sony's actions among gamers and journalists. I don't miss consoles at all, and the PC community has been incredibly supportive for a newcomer like me.

On PC, I can enjoy games without spending on microtransactions thanks to mods. Cheat codes, which were fantastic back in the day, are still accessible on PC, whereas on consoles, they are monetized through things like XP boosters.

shinoff2183130d ago

I still believe some console gamers just don't wanna deal with pc. Tye only thing pc has that I'd be interested in is mods other then that I'd rather not deal with it. Someday I'm sure I'll jump in but just not in a rush

StoneTitan130d ago

Yeah and pc is also the plaform with most cheaters. Its a great platform but after a day of work on pc I just like to relax with my console and not think about anythink else.

Deeeeznuuuts130d ago

I'm in a Helldivers group on Facebook and the amount of people who got the Spiderman bundle with Helldivers 2 was crazy 😂

Crows90130d ago

Sony has a successful multiplayer title...who coulda guessed.

Arrowhead seems to be doing a great job with updates as well. Kudos!

WelkinCole130d ago

Yeah never saw it coming as well.

DivineHand125130d ago (Edited 130d ago )

I really hope the situation with Helldivers 2 on PC can clear up soon. Since the whole PSN account mandate, the player population has dropped significantly compared to what it was a few weeks ago.

It now takes much longer than normal to clear a major order. I remember when they released the order to kill the terminids and that got cleared the same day. Now we are struggling to do the same with the automatons.

P_Bomb130d ago

Could be some ppl are naturally moving on. I haven’t played since platinum.

DivineHand125130d ago

Nope. Players from over 170 countries are unable to play the game because it was delisted from Steam.

This whole PSN issue has done significant damage to the community.

https://readwrite.com/helld...

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God of War Ragnarok Debuts With 23,000 Concurrent Players on Steam, 60% Fewer Than 2018’s God of War

God of War Ragnarok debuts on PC with just under 23,000 concurrent players on Steam, 60% fewer than God of War 2018's launch.

thorstein15h ago

"One potential reason for the lower numbers is the mandatory PlayStation Network (PSN) account requirement, which has frustrated many players."

Every AAA game requires logins from their publishers. Even on PS and Xbox you must still login to a 3rd party publisher.

Why is this journalist pretending this is the first time this has ever happened? Or that it hasn't existed since the 1990s?

Tacoboto11h ago

Hellblade 2 and Starfield dont require an Xbox login on Steam. Dragon Age coming soon won't require an EA login.

BlackTar1879h ago

Cool you named a couple games. That doesn’t in any way refute what he posted.

Tacoboto8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Yes it does.

Or does "every" suddenly mean something different when Sony is involved in what we complain about other publishers doing?

ZoboomafooFan54m ago(Edited 50m ago)

@BlackTar187 the guy was speaking in absolutes so yeah a couple of games absolutely wrecked his argument. What potemkin village are you from? Lol

InUrFoxHole4m ago

Lol. It doesn't refute? How about all the hate helldivers 2 got as well? Pc gamers are particular in this instance. It's not something that's just made up.

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gamerz8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

If it were optional I'd gladly link my account to see trophies, but force me to do it?!! Go f@#$j yourself!!

northpaws8h ago

So you don't mind it, but since it is required then you would rather skip a game that you want to play? Gamers these days are cry baby.

You are required to pay at a store when you buy something, do you just rob now?

InUrFoxHole2m ago

@Northpaws
That's is the most apples to oranges equation. If it's not that big of a deal then why not just skip it completely 🤷🏾?

LordoftheCritics7h ago

Because 99% of the games on steam don't need this second cctv camera?

thorstein6h ago

There is little to no info on what percent of Steam games require third party accounts to play. it's simply not tracked. But I highly doubt only 1% of AAA games on Steam require an account.

TheNamelessOne6h ago

"every AAA game requires logins from their publishers"

Far from.

thorstein6h ago

Hyperbole. But nearly enough. AAA games, not every game.

TheEroica3h ago

Doesn't matter if it happens elsewhere, the fact it's happening now is potentially hurting sonys sales.

ZoboomafooFan57m ago(Edited 49m ago)

You’re speaking in absolutes and you’re laughably wrong, it isn’t true that all games require a login to the “publisher”, whatever that even means. And it’s especially not true for games in the 90s that barely had anti-cheat, none that I’m aware of had DRM, and most often functioned on p2p connections.

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purple10114h ago

also, its already cracked. for people who fly a flag with a skull and crossbones, you know what I mean

Obscure_Observer9h ago

"also, its already cracked. for people who fly a flag with a skull and crossbones, you know what I mean"

Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine with 2225,690 all time peak players, says hello.

I understand why Sony will try to avoid and release their first party games day and date on PS5 and PC, especially their single player games which are expected to drive PS5 sales, whoever, such strategy really puts them between a rock and a hard place, since later releases on PC at full price, will most definitely attract less gamers.

Not sure if Sony´s strategy to sell more games while making their franchises more popular among PC gamers is working right now.

They have a more "agressive" plan/approach for PC in place. Let´s see how it unfolds.

purple1018h ago

I agree with you which normally isn’t the case! Hehe

“ Not sure if Sony´s strategy to sell more games while making their franchises more popular among PC gamers is working right now.”

I agree

Also Sony putting Lego horizon on switch

Not sure how that will work out either
Was probably a Lego stipulation to release on switch, but still interesting

PRIMORDUS7h ago

Exactly, DODI or FitGirl repacks no PSN shit needed lol. "Arrr, Me Mateys" I mean if you want you can still buy the game, also keep the ISO in this way.

truthBombs14h ago

I'm very happy to be corrected.

I think this is because PSN isn't available in 100s of countries which means users can't even buy the game in their region.

VersusDMC7h ago

Well ghost of tsushima has the highest concurrent player number and had a psn sign in requirement. Even over spider man without the sign in need.

Skate-AK4h ago

You don't need PSN to play GoT single player. Only need it for the MP mode or if you want the Playstation overlay.

MrDead14h ago

The first one doesn't require a PSN account.

Jin_Sakai11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

God of War 2018 is simply a better game.

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God Of War Ragnarok Best Settings Guide For PC

God of War Ragnarok is now available on PC, and here are the best settings for getting optimized performance on mid-end system specs.

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God of War Ragnarok PC Gets Review Bombed Due to PSN Requirement, But Others Can Play Without It

God of War on PC has been review bombed by gamers due to its PSN requirement, though some can play without signing up.

Zeke681d 20h ago

So, having multiple Steam, Epic, GoG, Gamepass, Google, Netflix and so on accounts are ok to get to use the games/shows/movies you want is ok, but when Playstation does it, it's a problem for you guys?! Hypocrites...

excaliburps1d 20h ago

What's odd here is, some are able to play without signing in or creating a PSN account, while others cannot.

Zeke681d 19h ago

Well I don't defend not being able to login, but this drama is only with Playstation games. If I forgot my Blizzard password and had 2step verification on, I can't really complain or downvote a Blizzard game because I don't keep a note or so about the password and have the app installed for verification. Read those downvotes, mostly not Sony's fault at all to be honest.

Furesis1d 20h ago

People can't play the game because they are getting errors that are preventing them from getting in the game. This is a single player game, this is ridiculous in fact this is exactly what xbox wanted to do over 10 years ago but now playstation is doing it on PC. Funny how things happen sometimes.

Zeke681d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

Yes, because "everyone" let M$ get away with it over the years, ofc Sony, Apple, Amazon etc will follow suit...
I uninstalled Minecraft because it wants me to do a M$/Gamepass account whatever it was just to play it. Insane.
But it's their game, they can do that, and I can uninstall it. Did I downvote it. Nope. No need to put energy in a game I wont play.
Maybe these dudes should do the same? If they hate Sony and their login so much, move on, simple as that.
Edit: Minecraft was my PS4 client, just for clarification. ;)

Giodel17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

Omg i am so tired of people QQ they need to use a ps account! You have to login to: steam, epic games, gog and even to play game pass games and each game pass games requires you to sign in on first launch. So login once and stop the QQ man! And before you start i don't have a ps i play on pc/xbox

gerbintosh7h ago

I see this as basically DRM without having to install Denuvo

Goodguy011d 15h ago

There's been complaints about 3rd party applications for pretty much forever. Ubi and EA are big ones and you'll always see downvotes on those games.

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TheNamelessOne1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

I'm seeing a lot of reviews stating many are having issues even creating accounts right now. Then you have the people region locked out of the game entirely. It's also a single player game, which makes this being a requirement utterly pointless.

And this isn't just a Sony thing. People make the same complaints with multiple other launchers. There's no reason you need to launch a game in one launcher just to have another one required. If they want to sell their games directly all the more power to them, but they know Steam boosts sales. But if you're selling on Steam I really should just need Steam.

Zeke6823h ago(Edited 23h ago)

@TheNamelessOne. Personally I don't play on PC apart from Last Epoch on my laptop, but I thought you make a PSN account, link it to Steam and just play with Steam?? So my comments above was like, how hard can it be to make a PSN account and link it once....
I had to do the same thing linking my Last Epoch account to Steam (once!) :)

BeRich2331d 3h ago

Signing into a platform is different then signing into a single player game, its simply not needed.

Vits17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

Oh, great job on the false equivalence.

The only gaming account most PC gamers will readily use is Steam, because it’s the de facto platform in the ecosystem, just like PSN is for PlayStation and Microsoft is for Xbox. Anything else isn’t viewed positively, which is why any game that uses EOS (Epic Online Services), EA Play, Ubisoft Connect, etc., is often met with contempt.

With Sony, it’s particularly annoying because it offers nothing for that login. Not to mention, the login system is completely broken - just like pretty much all their ports that aren’t handled by their only technically competent team, Nixxes.

But I get it - console b*tchs aren’t really known for voicing their opinions and making sure their overlords hear their complaints. So it seems like their "pimp" is being target. PC players in general aren’t that spineless, so you’ll keep hearing their complaints, liking it or not.

Einhander197214h ago

Meanwhile, I need a Microsoft account to play their games on PlayStation consoles and Steam and everywhere else...

Everything you said is super hypocritical.

Zombieburger63816h ago

It’s a single player game. Why should anyone need an account for single player?

Zeke6815h ago

Playstation will add trophies for PC, so probably needed for tracking those

PRIMORDUS10h ago

Torrent it laugh at Sony move on. No account needed. Plus the game needs future patches, as it was not actually done and launched with some issues, so your again paying for something that was not ready for sale.

DarXyde14h ago

I mean... I wouldn't really blame people for being sceptical of PlayStation managing their data.

I don't know about security breaches with the others, but if there was and you're only coming after PlayStation as you use the others, yeah, that's hypocritical.

While I do enjoy my PlayStation (mostly), I don't really understand why Sony needs this. It just feels like that extra intrusive step that's whole unnecessary. Don't we surrender enough information to these companies?

CobraKai13h ago

Im thinking Sony needs to stop porting games to PC at this point. If it’s so hard for the master race to have a PSN account to play game when they have those other accounts, why bother catering to them if all they’re gonna do review bomb?

ZoboomafooFan43m ago(Edited 37m ago)

Imagine defending a corporation’s mandatory account policy when that same corporation had 2 catastrophic data breaches of password, username, and credit card info and refused to even notify its users for 6 months. Bootlicker peasant that eats the slop he’s served, that’s you lol

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TheNamelessOne1d 5h ago

Didn't they say it was going to be required after Helldivers?

excaliburps17h ago

I think it was more of a case by case basis? But I think people assumed it would be required for MP games, but not for SP.

Gamehard16h ago

Yes, they said it would be in all games going forward I'm pretty sure.

Deeeeznuuuts17h ago

What's so wrong with making a PS account? What am I missing?

kindi_boy17h ago

I buy a game on steam and play directly no need for me to do anything else, then comes Ubisoft, EA, Sony and try to make me sign in again why? For that specific game that I just bought... What am i missing?

outsider162416h ago

So don't buy anything from Ubi, EA or Sony...easy. what am i missing?

rippermcrip14h ago

Your Steam account gets linked to those other accounts. You don't have to keep signing in.

Software_Lover16h ago

Their system is broken. Some people can't even play the game. It's region locked. Some can't even create an account.

kindi_boy17h ago

Good hope they review it to the ground.

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