Would It Have Even Mattered If Redfall Were Good?

Even if Redfall were a good game, the closure of Hi-Fi Rush proves even that doesn't matter in the industry.

[Profchaos]

Yeah it would have mattered especially since their huge game that year wasn't all that it was cracked up to be remember redfail was almost heavily promoted and hyped not to the level of starfield but still more promoted than the average game.

There was still a decent marketing campaign behind the game I'm sure millions were spent advertising it on websites and I saw a few billboards and bus stop signs in real life

[darthv72]

their biggest mistake was showcasing it as being a 60fps game only to release it at 30. That really soured the taste so that when the real 60fps mode was released, many still didnt want to give it a taste. i tierd it at 30... it was okay, but playing it at 60 is a much better experience and a better overall game. Its really not that bad once you get past the drama surrounding its initial release and just play it for what it is. It has some pretty decent aspects but nothing groundbreaking. It feels like a typical fps from the ps360 days... of which there were many.

[jwillj2k4]

No it wouldn’t matter it wouldn’t bring in enough profit to offset their 100 billion dollar acquisition. It would maybe delay the inevitable by some months.

[Profchaos]

Pretty much no game in Bethesda stables makes cod numbers instantly even fallout 4 Bethesda's best selling game sold 12 million at launch and over the next 10 years climbed to over 32 which cod would do rapidly

[CrimsonWing69]

I would f*cking think so. Good games are what draws people to your platform. It’s why I adored the 360 era with Gears of War being one of the highlights for me. You make sh*t games and it just makes your platform that much worse and you start gobbling up studios I like and then killing them off it also makes me hate your platform as well… just sayin’

[franwex]

Unless the game would’ve been War Zone, or Fortnite level. No. Maybe even Hell divers 2 I doubt would’ve been enough.

[Eonjay]

Helldivers 2 realistically has earned about half a billion which is definitely a success considering it probably cost Sony $50 million to make.

However you would still need 140 releases to at least be that successful to break even on a ACT purchase.

This is how you know the goal for Microsoft was to reach those crazy subscribers numbers. Without them the whole plan falls apart.

[Exvalos]

No it would not have, the ABK deal was great for Microsoft but horrible for Xbox. Over 100 billion dollars in acquisitions. That money has to be made back. That ABK deal essentially destroyed Xbox as we know it.

[cluclap]

I feel like studios like tango, and arkane were already on the chopping block. The idea of the Activision/Blizzard buyout for microsoft was to offset the money lost through xbox by buying a company that essentially prints money.

[Eonjay]

Activision's revenue was always decent (some 4 to 5 billion per year prior to the deal) but if you looked at operating income it was like $400-500 million. The reason of course had to do with costs.

So that right there shows why Microsoft is apprehensive about adding it to GP. The margins are already slim. Problem is, everyone is expecting them to put the new COD in GP.

What do they do?

[franwex]

Add them to Game Pass of course!

COD and other Actvision/Blizzard games are still multi platform and continue to sell while still keeping people subbed. If someone subs for COD, they basically have to remain subbed for 7 months to offset the sale. Essentially turning COD to a service.

Not defending the deal or anything. I’m just agreeing with you that everyone expects them to add those games to Gamepass as that’s what they promised. If they back out now, it would be worse as a lot of people will probably simply cancel their subs.

[VersusDMC]

Yeah it would have made a difference. If it was good more people would have bought the 30 dollar season pass and actually generate revenue.

And there was a microtransactions store in redfall that was removed so they planned on it being live service like sea of thieves.

Even if "good" just meant the same amount of players as hi fi rush it would have generated way more money than hi fi rush since redfall was 80 and had future dlc to he purchased.

I don't like live service or mp games, but that seems like the logical awnser.

[GhostScholar]

Such a dumb question

[Barlos]

Probably not. The Gamepass model pretty much ensures no game will sell enough to be profitable.

[Ninver]

Nope. It's a new IP. They still would have gotten the 🪓 just based on the statements MS have made in regards to investing in more profitable (eg current IP,s such as COD etc)

[mooreneco21]

Is no one considering, Tango and Arkane are the two Bethesda studios that produced PS5 exclusives Phil could not wriggle out of, maybe this is their punishment!?!?!

[DRambo]

What matters is your appalling English.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I think it would have, Microsoft needed a win, they haven't got many good games to their name, especially these days, Hi-Fi Rush was one of the few good games they had going for the brand.

[Workshyskiver]

I think it would have, as it would have meant the studio was in a healthy position. What killed this studio over others for definite was almost every meaningful creative force the studio had when they released their previous games had left during Redfalls troubled development. If they hadn't left and released a good game then Microsoft might have made cuts elsewhere.

[Lexreborn2]

It’s weird that the focus is so much on hi-fi rush and not the lose of ghostwire and evil within. Hi-fi might have been a surprise hit, but losing evil within and ghostwire is the real crime

[anast]

Actually, HiFi game being an above average game is not real. The hype was manufactured. They only won 2 awards that matter and those awards were voted on by membership. The gamers as a collective didn't really think this game was a banger. Only game writers and committee members. The reality is that the game didn't sell well, which is unfortunate because the artists put a lot of passion into the game. It sucks, but passion and hard work doesn't demand success.

The real problem is their bosses sold out and left the artists without a job.

Finally, if Redfall went off, the studio would have been fine, but a mediocre game in HiFi Rush mixed with a failure in Redfall just doesn't cut it for anyone.

[repsahj]

I also feel the same way.

[Abear21]

Maybe not, but if Halo was amazing and Starfield was delayed until a few weeks ago and launched to better reviews, now you might have something.

Halo and Starfield were undercooked and Redfall was half baked, if all three were delayed and actually good it would be a night and day difference in the perception of Xbox right now.

[Einhander1972]

Better question would Redfall have been good if Microsoft hadn't gotten involved.

[z2g]

It ultimately comes down to money. Even good games that don’t make money don’t go anywhere.

[HyperMoused]

If you get out the hate mobile, and give it a go, Redfall is actually pretty good, dont pay full price no, but its worth a ride if you can get it on sale.

[PrecursorOrb]

Yes