Xbox Needs Its Own Version of the DualSense

The Xbox Series X is a major advancement over the Xbox One, but it needs its own version of the DualSense if it wants to beat PS5.

[Revacci]

Beat? You mean compete or perhaps keep up with.

As for beating the PS5, as with every generation before it that's a far fetched dream for Microsoft.

[Jin_Sakai]

The DualSense is a game changer. All other controllers should take notice. The haptics are on a other level.

[The Wood]

The closest they have I'd their elite controller with that elite price. Very adaptable and customisable but I think the d's is elite

Gyroscope for motion control and gestures
Mic
Speaker
Share button
Mute button (that can also mute the sound from your TV/amp with a longer press)
Haptics
Enhanced triggers
Touch pad
Rechargeable

[NeoGamer232]

Or maybe different gamers like different consoles, and having something differentiate them spurs innovation and the ongoing quest for both consoles to be better.

[EmperorDalek]

The controller's fine, there's a reason they haven't changed it much. The 360 and Xbox One had better controllers than PS3 and PS4.

[OneLove]

Bro during the 360 days Microsoft was dominating the whole generation until the end. The 360 was beating Sony in multi plat sales and first party. Why do all you Sony tards act like Sony has been in the lead every generation.

[AmUnRa]

No, no and no, you sound like an angry xbox fanboy😉

[Popsicle]

@surferz maybe you are young, but Gears and Halo 3 were game changers in 2006 and 2007 respectively. Gears was a brand new IP and Halo was still very young and huge on the multiplayer scene. If Microsoft went back to making new revolutionary IPs like they did during the OG Xbox and early 360 years they could be serious competition. Admittedly Microsoft has gotten away from what they did well during that time, but OG Xbox and early years of the 360 was great for gamers. I can't say that now, but it was true then.

[CrimsonWing69]

Eh, I think the 360 was better than PS3, but boy oh boy did they fumble it up with the Xbone... yeesh.

[ThinkThink]

No it doesnt. Both should just keep on what they are doing. There are other areas MS should focus on. They are solid in the controller department.

[Sitdown]

I agree, the DualSense is lovely, but let's see regular meaningful implementation before we say another console needs it.

[NEXUS-6]

Haven't you already? The Dirt5 dev is going to patch in a better implementation of the Dualsense. I think support for it going forward is a given, why wouldn't there be?

[crazyCoconuts]

Playing COD CW with it on is enough to convince me it's a keeper.
As for Xbox copying it, too late for this gen. Maybe next time.

[Games1st]

"regular meaningful implementation" There's a list of over 40 games that plan on supporting it so far, we have to wait for the games to release. Like Dirt 5, devs can improve or add it in after release.

https://www.resetera.com/th...

[Sitdown]

I guess you all don't understand "regular meaningful". We currently do not have a large enough sample size. Projected that a have will have it, doesn't mean implementation will be tasteful. I am interested about hearing its usage in Call of Duty, because I keep pondering that purchase.

[kayoss]

have you tried Astro Playroom?

[Sitdown]

@kayoss
Yes, that's where my comment about being lovely comes from.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

You obviously don't have one. If you did and you experienced the Dual Sense in Astro Bot or COD or Borderlands 3 you would begin to understand how the controller is actually trying to become a part of the game itself instead of just being a controller used to guide yourself through a game.

[Sitdown]

@IGiveHugs2NakedWomen
@surferz

Sorry to disappoint you both, but I've had my PS5 since Day 1. I've only used it for Astro. I say regular, becausr I don't want companies to start strong and then taper off. Sort of like how Heavenly Sword used the six axis, but then implementation went away. Sorry that you all think that not blindly loving everything Sony means that I don't have a system. You can even check my post history and see how I said it blows Microsoft's offerings out the window.

[Sitdown]

@surferz
With your post history, I wouldn't expect you to. You in here telling me try something you yourself haven't experienced. Ha
Let me know if you want me to share my gamertag, and then message you from it.

[Popsicle]

@Sitdown you are absolutely correct that the sample size is currently to small, but in business it is better to be proactive than reactive. I have both consoles and admittedly skipped purchasing a second controller for my Series X because I believe they may end up developing a haptic controller to compete with Sony's.

To provide a little context, when Sony demonstrated the six axis for the PS3 and the touch pad for the PS4 I couldn't care less about the features and did not expect developers would utilize them. However, the Dualsense is being praised by nearly everyone who puts their hands on it and from personal experience, the Dualsense is a game changer. I don't remember articles stating the opinion that Microsoft needed to make a six axis controller or touch pad. The articles did not exsist because they simply didn't add much to the experience. The Dualsense adds greatly to experience and I believe developers will utilize its features.

For me, if the games games are similar in performance, the Dualsense provides enough of a difference that I will purchase 3rd party games for the PS5 over the Series X if the developer utilizes the controller.

[Sitdown]

@Popsicle
Thank you for being able logical conversation. You mentioning that Microsoft might release a new controller, now has me pondering that whether I should currently cancel my shock blue controller. Best Buy currently has it on sale. Honestly though, even if a game performed better on Series X, I probably would still be inclined to go with the PS5 if there is property controller implementation, because it's just that good. If people go to the 12:30 mark, he is speaking to exactly what I was saying

https://youtu.be/MepGo2xmVJ...

I'm also just saying, we see what happened with the Kinect when Microsoft tries to jump out from, it's not well supported, and feels like an after thought to try and capitalize on the success others have going. To a lesser extent the Xbox One X, where the generation was too far gone, and developers didn't really feel the need to make it primary. I fully expect that next generation, Microsoft will go overboard with the controller trying to standout.

[Jericho1337]

Totally agreed, it’s widely accepted that Xbox has had the best controller for some time now (although it seems like the DualSense is rivalling it now).

Maybe they’ll add something similar to the Elite Series 3, but the Xbox controller has some cool features itself and feels great.

[cooperdnizzle]

Wildly excepted say who? You? Xbox fans are the only ones who still push this false agenda. If sales are anything to go off of, the dual shock is preferred around the whole world! And more favorable in the U.S as well! Most people don’t like the Xbox controller. No real dpad off set analogs okay that makes since... like humans aren’t Symmetrical beings or anything.. way much more don’t feel like writing it all out again... But yeah Xbox is the better controller only to Xbox fanboys. True story dude

[BLAKHOODe]

I picked up my Xbox One controller the other day, that I have been using the past 3 years, and it just did not feel right anymore. 1 week with the DualSense and there is just no going back, even after getting use to the haptic feedback and adaptive triggers where I don't conciously notice them anymore, but handling a controller without them doesn't feel right without them now.

[DrShoe]

It sounds like you're doing some hardcore coping right about now...

Just accept it, the Dualsense is the best controller in literally decades. Sony has created something incredible.

[Jericho1337]

Well it’s your word against mine mate, so your theory of “dual shock is the best in the world” is no more or less valid than my comment.

I haven’t used the dual sense yet so I can’t give a first hand opinion, but the feedback is sounding very positive. Skeptical that it’s “the best ever” given the dpad has been poorly received, but I can’t wait to try it.

[Atticus_finch]

I agree. The last thing Xbox needs to focus on is the controller.
Updating their "Tools" should be a priority.

[SullysCigar]

Omg you went there!

It's true though - their controller at least works as intended and they've got much bigger problems to resolve before they think about an actual next gen controller.

[ILostMyMind]

Is there a problem with Microsoft's "tools"?

[StoneyYoshi]

@ILostMyMind

Apparently MS's GDK isn't fully ready yet and thats the excuse being pushed as to why the PS5 is doing better in the last 3 DF comparisons.

[Atticus_finch]

Ilostmymind I don't think so but faboys refuse to believe Ps5 is a better console.

[Wrex369]

They're mad you said the Xbox controller been solid and hating on you 😂 like the Xbox controller is what the DS has been trying to be for generations. That controller has just been getting fatter y'all let's not pretend the Xbox controller isn't the standard and y'all ALL don't have one for PC.

[Atticus_finch]

The Xbox controller is solid which only demonstrates how good Dualsense is, given that it is much better.
Well one company focused the entire gen on making amazing new games. The other one wanted to sell you a 1000 different controllers.

[phoenixwing]

I am curious on how good haptics are. I've yet to hear from a ps5 owner who doesn't like them. So maybe there's something to it

[Profchaos]

It's not really the haptics for me that does it. They are a nice evolution over rumble and displaying directionality having a vibration start on one side then progress through your hand but for me personally it's the resistance triggers that show the biggest leap in tech I love them when shooting guns there's the tough spot then a snap through basically the first 25% of the trigger pull is tough then snaps to nothing every shot feels meaningful and impactful as a result for me.

I know there's a lot of confusion about duelsense triggers being haptic or resistive because the argument that even Linus was promoting is that Xbox has haptic triggers already and he had to be corrected.

I really hope this is adopted for all games but some like watchdogs really show a lack of use of the feature by a third party but I think they rushed the whole game as haptics and resistance is missing from most everything outside of gunfights

[phoenixwing]

I don't know if I'd like that 24/7 while playing but it would definitely make for an experience at first at least.

[NEXUS-6]

My mate hates rumble, and always turned it off. I asked him if he would do the same with Dualsense - he said he wasn't sure. Fast forward 2 weeks and he loves it. I think rumble is a "dumb" way to convey what is on screen, Dualsense takes it up a few notches.

An example would be shooting a gun, it will feel different from game to game. Same with a driving game.

The Haptics in Astro are stronger than Demons Souls or GodFall.

Endless possibilities.

[toxic-inferno]

To me, it's not so much the haptics themselves (although they are impressive) but the sheer combination of the controller's features. Pulling a trigger, feeling the resistance, the controller shaking in a realistic way, plus the sound from the controller's speaker simultaneously gives a very immersive feel.

None of the features are hugely game changing on their own, but together they can really add to the feel of the moment.

[Fearmonkey]

MS's Series controllers really took the minimal boring road, Dualsense is amazing. MS needs to step up their game.

[blackblades]

Ms took the boring route to everything then they copy the ps4 share button. So we all know they gonna be getting this feature.

[Futureshark]

Of course MS will copy it.

[phoenixwing]

If they did that would actually be nice because devs would feel more inclined to support it all.

[purple101]

untill gran turismo 7. Dualsense is not proven. Only demonstrated.

With this game, they will make it so there's no going back to regular gaming.

[purple101]

Xbox elite 3.5
Haha.

[JayRyu]

Yes, the Dual sense is great but the Xbox Elite controller is awesome as well. I'm waiting for that comparison.

[purple101]

there is no comparison really, xbox elite is twice the price, has back triggers, is more of a pro quality build.

ps5 is half the price, has pressure in the triggers, has a mic and a speaker, has haptic instead of vibration.

[cell989]

That will be the biggest compliment to the dual sense

[SpineSaw]

Microsoft needs to make good games and that starts with one. They need to make one good game then go from there.

[LucasRuinedChildhood]

To be fair, the Forza Horizon games are pretty good. But overall their lineup has been abysmal since around 2011. It's a joke.

[Einhander1971]

This is what really sets ps5 apart from xbox. Personally playing xbox series x must be just like playing xbox one with slightly better visuals. Dualsense is a whole new experience in its self.

[blackblades]

Everything sets ps5 apart, exclusives, controller, design, ui, VR and others.

[Father__Merrin]

As the generation goes on the xbox controller will need a reform. The rumble triggers they should keep but add in haptic feedback. As more and more games will have this as part of the experience.

Sony has hit a home run in fact they have out Nintendo'd Nintendo with their controller

[SullysCigar]

They did that with Astro Bot as well - twice now, after the VR game!

[ILostMyMind]

Oh, please, give me a PSVR2. I need it. 🙏🥺

[Extermin8or3_]

They now need to sort out their vr controller before the inevitable ps vr 2. Needs analogue sticks on it for free movement...

[SullysCigar]

Only a matter of time until they realise the draw this thing has and give in with some pale imitation.

[chicken_in_the_corn]

I'm sure they will have one within the nest few years

[ScootaKuH]

Series X isn't a major advancement over Xbox One, certainly not when you factor in One X. The controller is more or less the same and it has a pretty much identical interface. Sure it's more powerful but that's about it. There's no revolution here.

[Om4ever]

Lol... The dualsense Controller is just gimmick. After 5 min of play I was already bored by these continuons rumbling... It brings nothing

[SmokinAces]

Its receiving a ton of praise from a lot of different sources even to the point articles are being made like this one suggesting MS needs to copy it, doesn't sound like a gimmick it sounds like a goldmine but however you need to deal with it.

[SullysCigar]

FYI, this was the guy claiming the dev tools were the issue with Dirt 5, despite Codemasters saying that wasn't the case when interviewed in a video. We know his game... ;^)

[Thundercat77]

This Gen Xbox integrated the PS4 share button. MS did nothing to innovate in the controller department and the success of the Dualsense got them off guard.

I am pretty sure they are already working in something to copy the Dualsense. They will not allow PS5 to have such an advantage on their side.

[BLAKHOODe]

Innovation, taking risks is what's kept PlayStation ahead of Xbox. Sometimes it pays off, as we're seeing with the DualSense and sometime it doesn't, the Vita (although I'd say it was ahead of it's time). Xbox would rather play it safe.

[purple101]

i had time crisis, with the move and gun attatchment on ps3- was great fun,

meanwhile xbots playing forza 1267 and gears 99 - claiming innovation

[Nephesh]

They at least need a speaker.

[Nacho_Z]

I predict that they will eventually copy it, but it won't be as good, will have missed the hype train by a couple of years and will ultimately be a waste of money for them.

[Gaming4Life1981]

Wrong xbox controller is great and MS doesnt need to copy what sony is doing. I love the dualsense its a great upgrade over the ds4 and hopefully its features will continue to be used by all developers. Xbox controller was and still is the best imo with its general feel and comfort, thats exactly why MS didnt change it but made things about it better. Just my opinion.

[SullysCigar]

I wholeheartedly agree (with your final point)!

[Android]

After 1 minute into astro playroom it was obvious to me Sony could seriously be on to something. I'm talking industry standard moving forward.

[Zeref]

Lol no they don't need their own dualsense at all. It's just a controller 😂

[DJStotty]

Best thing about the PS5 lmao

[DJStotty]

It is true though, neither platform has many if any exclusive games, no games are pushing the consoles even slightly.

Best thing for Series X - backwards compatibility
PS5 - controller

[Fraggle1987]

This is just one of the ways that the new xbox's have been too Conservative. From a hardware perspective they have all the main bases covered but nothing else.

They still have a software problem, no upgrades to ui or controller. They iterated this gen where they should have been more bold like playstation.

[Zeref]

The Xbox Controller is still the best around. Dualsense has better haptics but the buttons suck. Especially the Dpad, is literally a downgrade from the DS4.

In terms of comfort and overall quality Xbox still got it beat.

All they got to do is improve the haptics in the Elite Series 3.

[buffig]

I was just sat waiting for a lift to get to me on Demon's Souls. I could feel the chain links moving in my hands. There are hundreds of little touches like this which add up to an incredibly immersive experience. Devs will be falling over themselves to differentiate their product with their implementation now they're all seeing how powerful the tech can be. It's too late for MS this gen though I'm afraid

[emoneyjones]

no it doesn't. the xbox controller is just fine as it is with minimal meaningful changes to it.

[chasegarcia]

Got the series x. Controller is a let down. they were lazy with the new version. almost nothing changed. just smaller and different texture. i hope that enough people complain so they go back and redesign it properly.

[DaveZero]

I'm not bothered about a gimmick that wont be talked about soon. No console needs it so long as the controllers work that's all you need. Sorry to burst the fanboys bubbles but one feature doesnt topple a controllers dominant spot and if you think it does them shame on you for thinking that. This is from the same Fanboys that say hardware isnt important, now they are saying it is, really pathetic you guys who do this circle job.

I'll stick with the elite controller because of how it feels, plays, my friend has that dual sense for his ps5, I've used it and I'm not impressed like many of you hype it up freaks are. Enjoy your playstation 5 and controller, I'll enjoy my xbox series S and controller. I just do not know why you have to keep making a song and dance over all this all the time like you have to keep pushing sony this and sony that on this site in everyone's face as if your jealous of xbox or something just niggles at you to over sell the product you have.

Its articles like this that feed you fanboys, break the cycle and just enjoy and play what you own.

[joeynox]

xbox should have refined the elite controller and included that with every series X. with that said the dual sense is not mind shattering. the adaptive triggers are annoying and i turned them off. the touch pad is useless. i do like the feel of the controller and the speaker

[Petebloodyonion]

" In many ways, it's reminiscent of the Joy-Con, with Astro Bot Rescue Mission demonstrating what the DualSense is capable of in a similar manner to 1-2 Switch showing off what the Joy-Cons were able to accomplish with rumble."

And how muck have we heard of the great Haptic feedback of the Switch?
insert cricket noise!
Actually I remember how ppl found this video stupid and gimmicky
https://youtu.be/CXCPRsEouA...
(you can go read some of the comment too)

Now How about the Xbox? Sure we remember all the great praise that Impulse Triggers got since 2013
Like How you could feel the road surface type in Forza
Oh yeah again cricket sound...
https://www.thegamer.com/xb...

But this time!!! yes this time It's gonna be real
Because NOW ITS innovative
not because every reviewers and media are preps to talk about it like how every reviewer on the web where WOW by the nemesis system in Shadow of Mordor (you know the feature that nobody actually care or really felt but jump to to).
Oh yeah this also happened
https://www.independent.co....

So how about we just wait a couple months and see how this is going :)

[BrettAwesome]

It's going great already. Joy cons? Yeah...compare it to that. "HD" rumble isn't even included in the Nintendo pro controller. No, this is very different. There is a reason why even the mighty xbot Austin Evanshad accepted defeat, andhas stated that the dualsense is his new favourite controller

[RickRoland]

This is very different from the joycon as an owner of both the PS5 and Switch. The Triggers are the major point for me much more than the various haptics (which are very good and better than the HD Rumble of the switch). The triggers need to be experienced to be understood...nothing like it. As Brett also said, the features of the joycon didn’t even make it to the pro controller which is how many people play their switch outside of handheld mode.

[Petebloodyonion]

I'm sure it's better compared to the Switch Joycon or Xbox dated Impulse trigger and looking forward to what they can accomplish with that.
My point is when the Xbox Impulse trigger came out it did add to the level of realism by bringing the new Rumble feature and the Joycon also improved on that but nobody really cared to the point that
1) a lot of ppl are probably unaware of Impulse trigger in the 1st place
2) Nintendo basically drop the feature with the Switch lite.

I could also point as an example stereoscopic vision removed from PS3 and X360 games despite being awesome (PPL should really try playing COD Black ops2 on a 3d tv Is awesome)
Or How about the 3ds 3d screen?

My point is we have heard this tale several times about how it's so great until it doesn't really help drive sales up.
But hey I really hope I'm wrong cause I,m a sucker for these kinds of effects (I still love the mic inside the Wii mote).

[Petebloodyonion]

Double post sorry.

[purple101]

gran turismo 7.

is, in my opinion, going to make it so that once you try it, there will be no going back to regular gaming.

[Petebloodyonion]

Like I said I really hope so because I love these kinds of features.
But again, Forza Horizon has been using Impulse trigger since Forza 5 and despite working perfectly it's never been a draw for the game and do you recall a review saying that it's a wonderful feeling to sense the type of road you are riding on? or how incredible it feels to sense the direction of the power slide in your hands? or the effect of the brakes?

Actually, go search Impulse trigger Forza and you will see plenty of Articles from Forza 5 describing how great it will be but you don't see any article after that about future games so why if it's working?

[ironmonkey]

The feel of the feedback when you shoot guns on ps5 is amazing especially with borderlands 3. It definitely gives like a sense of being part of the actual game. Refreshing.

[anast]

This is the problem: MS needs a controller, MS needs a fridge...MS needs anything but new IPs.

[agnosticgamer]

One thing I didn't like about the Xbox Series X was the launch controller I think they played it way too safe. I do like the re-done directional pad... But outside of that all they really did was add a share button I will never press on purpose. I would have liked to see a few more innovations. I don't like the overall placement of the analog sticks of the dual sense controller but I do like the innovations it brings to the gaming space.

[giovonni]

Xbox had something similar in the Xboxone.
Controller. I believe it was on my the triggers and that was annoying as hell! In 2k you could feel the dribble of the ball in the triggers, I

[purple101]

no you couldnt, it was like 1000 wasps in a tin can.

[2ndhandcorn]

Never heard of it lol.

[SullysCigar]

Lemme help: An 'Xbox' is a little bit like a PlayStation, but has a comparatively small following mostly in the USA.

[2ndhandcorn]

Sounds hot

[SullysCigar]

^ It is if you leave it in standby mode.

[Extermin8or3_]

Lol look MS have other things first they need to sort out like joining the 22st century with a flipping rechargeable battery inside the controller.... lithium ion batteries aren't that hard to come by.... I mean Sony has had this since 2007 now.... 13 years. Why the hell are MS still using AA's??

[Bender6502]

As usual comments seem to be one side or the other - you know what I mean.Personally, I'm split on this. Dual sense is an innovative design and it undoubtly does make an effort to move gaming control forward. I really don't see how people could argue that much. Of course, we have to see how well it's adopted by devs. I mean after all, I thought the touch pad and inbuild speaker of DS4 was a great idea and that didn't go as well as I'd hoped.

For me, the xbox controller is still the ultimate in ergonomics. It just 'feels' better to hold. And I much prefer the asymmetric sticks, for bigger hands it just seems an easier fit. But that's just subjective. A combination of the new Dual sense features and xbox elite ergonomics and adjustments might be the ultimate imho.

Disclaimer: I haven't got my PS5 yet, so haven't been able to try it myself, but I have noticed the Dual sense does seem bulkier and more like the xbox controller in terms of size and shape. Maybe it will be the ultimate.

[Darkborn]

Microsoft still hasn't addressed the psvr yet either. The thing is Xbox doesn't care about anything but their subscription services and that's it. It works for them though because they also have windows.

[giovonni]

That’s far from the truth, and more bias based on what you think not actual fact. The fact is MS is establishing a “play anywhere” strategy where you can play their games on any device, anywhere, at anytime under one subscription. In order for that to happen their focus has to be placed on creating an echo system to do it. What a lot of people don’t want to talk about is MS steps to tackling controller response times, latency, shorter input times on their control, and controller compatibility . To them, that’s more important than hepatic responses. It’s noble that Sony has added these features to their controller, but will it hold up or fizzle like previous add one to their controller

[Darkborn]

Sounds lke you have some bias too. My bias is for good games, not controller features or a play anywhere approach. I play on my couch with my TV. So none of that matters. The game pass strategy does not work for me because it's all subpar games in my opinion. I'd prefer to play subpar VR games rather than just subpar games.

[giovonni]

Bias where? Where in my statement is bias?

[Ulf]

Why would MS care about competing with PSVR on Xbox? The most popular VR platform on earth always has been, and always will be, MS Windows.

If you think a console HMD can compete with the PC-capable HMDs, you are smoking something pretty serious, even if 5M suckers bought one (which they did... and don't play it).

[Darkborn]

I was just stating the fact that Microsoft still hasn't addressed the psvr yet so why would they address this. Also those 5 million suckers bought the most popular although one of the weakest VR headsets. You can't argue with that like you can't argue with the current situation of the most popular console of the past few gens. Sony are the hardware guys that make great games and Microsoft are the software guys that make great programs.

[OneLove]

Bru just because they added some gimmick doesn't change the layout of the controller🤣. Xbox will have number 1 controller for a reason. Deal with it.

[OneLove]

Lmao i could just as easily say the ps5 need quick resume and smart delivery if they want to compete with xbox🤣 troll articles.

[RickRoland]

Smart Delivery is only going to be talked about for the first year of this generation max.... thats simply a backwards compatibility marketing term. Sony doesn't need Smart Delivery, they have this without a silly marketing term. PS4 games are upgrading to PS5 versions. Quick Resume is also only a useful feature for two things A) Digital Copies of games B) If you have / heavily roll with GamePass. If you like disc versions this again is a useless feature as you cant quickly swap games without the disc in the drive....A convenience for a small group of people and not all Xbox gamers across the board. Nice feature though if you're planning to be a GamePass gamer.....I personally prefer disc versions and a tangible library, Gamepass wouldn't be for me even if I purchase a Series X. Quick Resume as a feature essentially requires a monthly subscription.

[OneLove]

I hope you don't think digital gaming is in the minority at this point of the generation👀

[RickRoland]

Digital gaming is very much so the minority still at this point. You see everyone posting pics of their launch bundles? I don't see pictures of consoles with no games....nearly every photo involves a disc version of launch titles.

[ILostMyMind]

Just make it compatible. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[ILostMyMind]

Imagine that, Pinocchio Spencer steping up on the stage e saying: "Here is the best controller on the galaxy we create, the XBoxSense."

[giovonni]

I mean Sony did it with their controller when it came to motion controls, but I guess we can over look that

[nickanasty206]

If third parties continue developing for the Dual Sense, i have to agree with the sentiment here. The Dual Sense is an incredible experience that just adds that much more to your gaming experience, certainly Microsoft will have to have an answer to this if development continues the way it has been. I have always thought that the Dual Sense features would just be a novelty at the start and then fade away over time with third-party support. It will be interesting to see what happens here. I am a huge fan of what the Dual Sense is doing, as it seems to just give you that extra layer to games that they have been needing for some time. Here's to hoping that these features continue to be taken advantage of!

[Ulf]

The Xbox controller has had complex multi-rumble in it for some time -- but no game dev ever uses it. Kinda seems like it's the PS controller that's playing catchup. Sony just exposed their rumble APIs better? Not sure.

I guess the trigger rumble is an additional feature? I can see that as being fun. The left/right motors have existed for eons in the Xbox controller, though.

[Father__Merrin]

No it doesn't it only has rumble triggers ie the left right trigger has its own vibrate separate from the controller.

Dual sense triggers have this plus adaptive pressure built in to triggers go check DF Astro controller review. The rest of the controller has the usual left right motors with built in haptic feedback. There's no comparison between xbox series xs controller and ps5

[zarbor]

As someone who has bought ever XBOX console up to the XBOX1X, I can confidently say that MS, Spencer and his team will never get certain obviously things about console gamers and console gaming. MS did not need a new controller, all they had to do was pack the XBOX Elite controller with the Series X. But no.....include a new controller that's not really that new at all and no where as good as the elite controller. Genius.

They went cheap with nickel and diming folks with none bigger than having controllers that STILL uses batteries. Batteries! What kind of mickey mouse operation are they running over there. Folks still have to buy the battery pack for rechargeable controller? Those kind of idiotic moves reeks of Aaron Greenberg.

Yes, running a profitable business is not easy but the decision making of Spencer and team XBOX has clearly proven to me over the years, that they cater to certain type of gamer and unfortunately for them, its not the majority of console gamers. Not mad at them since they are beloved by a number of gamers. Lets stop comparing them to Sony since they may appear to be in the same league but truth be told, they are not.

[Lexreborn2]

The problem with the Xbox controllers is the myth that they are the “best” ergonomically. The little lie to make people feel better about the controller is stifling the controllers development.

I’ve never used an Xbox controller then went to another controller and felt like they were unusable. And the people who perpetuate that need to let it go.

The fact that they release a 150 dollar controller proves the Xbox controller could fully use an overhaul. But MS is cheating it out plain and simple

[Mrxboxman]

This thing will definitely come down to the controller. Forget the 20% power advantage. Forget what games are on the console. It's all about the controller bro. 🤣

[S2Killinit]

Not sure Sony will be inclined to share its patented tech

[neomahi]

So, you want Sony to be just like Microsoft and Microsoft to be just like Sony. Eh... Fanboys. Id rather have Microsoft think for themselves and he innovative rather than the Ballmer Effect. It's be nice if Microsoft could be innovative instead of just watching what everyone else does and then mimjcs that, that's Microsoft's idea of entering a competition and being competitive instead of just paving their own road. What's Microsoft given to the gaming community.... Well, nothing. The Xbox controller is just an evolution of the Gamecube controller innovated by Nintendo.

[PingasoFromHell]

I perfer the xbox controller than playstation in my opinion, dont like the thumbsticks close together!!

[chrisoadamson]

I turn rumble off for every fps and racing game. Puts you at a disadvantage