Sony's Stance on Backwards Compatibilty Reeks of Dishonesty

Sony knows there's a market for old games out there, it's just that it wants to sell them to you again rather than let you use your old disc or licence.

[2pacalypsenow]

Business move... Sony are a business.

[Ilikethemall85]

How is denying your consumers a choice a business move? I really don't understand why you Sony fans act like Sony can do no wrong. I mean seriously, how does a company that tells their fans what they want be held up so high? They also have made their fans wait from launch for games, and then finally had a wave of delayed games, and it looks like they are about to do the same again. The console has far less features then Xbox and they now has the weaker console. Not only that they jacked the price up in Canada. When has a price increase ever happen in the history of gaming? There was this one guy on here who posted that Sony is the one company that caters to its gamers, but if you look at every thing Microsoft have giving their fans, they are the one company that truly cater to their fans.

[Nyxus]

It's simple, they deliver a constant supply of great software that gamers want to play. No 'features' are going to beat that (whatever it is you are referring to). It's not that they can do no wrong, it's that they do a lot of things right.

[2pacalypsenow]

They give us consumers plenty of content to play, Sony sees BC as extra revenue, and if that equals more exclusive games on PS4, then it's a win for PlayStation gamers, Microsoft has BC but they also lack game studios and exclusive AAA games, what would you rather have? BC to play old games, or New IP's?

Seems like Xbox gamers only care about playing old games, because that's all I hear from them.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

@Ilikethemall85

I think it's you who's being denied choices. Sony makes reliable consoles that they still support even today. EVERY SINGLE PS4 owner has the choice to Play in VR if they want to, same on the PC side, but Phil has decided that you guys should get a more powerful console instead, to play games they same way we've been playing them for ages now. We have the option to choose between several new IPs per generation with Sony. Microsoft has decided that HALO GEARS and FORZA will do just fine for you guys...

Over 44 games (more than what MS announced at E3 this year) not on XBox. Notice I didnt even go beyond June for strictly PS4 games... Just waaay too many to list honestly.

PS4
Gravity Rush 2 -- January 20
Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue -- January 24
Yakuza 0 -- January 24
Nioh -- February 7
Ys Origin -- February 21 (also on PSVita)
Horizon Zero Dawn -- February 28
Nier: Automata -- March 7
Dangonronpa 1-2 Reload -- March 14
Everything -- March 21
Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 + 2.5 Remix -- March 28
MLB The Show 17 -- March 28
Drawn To Death -- April 4
PaRappa the Rapper -- April 4
Persona 5 -- April 4 (also on PS3)
Full Throttle Remastered -- April 18 (aslo on PC)
Dragon Quest Heros II -- April 25
What Remained of Edith Finch -- April 25 (also on PC)
Wipeout Omega Collection -- June 6
Final Fantasy XIV: Stormblood -- June 20 (also on PC)
Nex Machina -- June 20 (Also on PC)
Danganronpa Another Episode: Ultra Despair Girls -- June 27
Elite: Dangerous -- June 27 (finally coming to PS4)
Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy -- June 30

PSVR/Compatible:
Resident Evil 7: Biohazard -- January 24
Psychonauts in the Rhombus of Ruin -- February 21
StarBlood Arena -- April 11
Farpoint -- May 16
Star Trek: Bridge Crew -- May 30
Special Delivery -- June 6
Tiny Trax -- Coming in July
ROM: Extraction
Gran Turismo Sport
Theseus (From E3)
The Persistence (From E3)
DOOM VFR (From E3)
The Elders Scroll V: SKYRIM VR (From E3)
Star Child (From E3)
The Inpatient (From E3)
Bravo Team (From E3)
Moss (From E3)
Sparc
No Heroes Allowed VR
Legion Commander
Archangel
Superhot VR

[Count]

Why would a lack of backwards compatibility equal more exclusives?

That doesn't have anything to do with exclusives!

[Sevir]

A choice!? You have no choice if the option was never given. The machine doesn't play PS3 games... if you want to play PS3 games you get the remasters which are essentially ports with resolution and frame rate bumps, which often run the games better with new features or you can buy a built from the ground up version specifically made for current hardware example, the new Ratchet and Clank, final fantasy 7 or Shadow of the Collosus.

If none of those suit you, you can fire up your last gen console and enjoy it on previous form with its flaws and all!

[Saigon]

Why are there only a few who remembers why Sony said that BC can't be done on the PS4. The PS3 is not like the Xbox 360, they had very similar designs but the the chip sets functioned completely different. With that said going from PS3 to PS4 is more difficult than going from Xbox 360 to Xbox One. Why is that so hard to comprehend? I am sick of people complaining that 'oh Sony's approach to bc is so backwards and MS offers it'. Well we all saw the numbers posted last week; BC is not used as we all claim it to be used.

BC is good when you are going from one generation of consoles to the next. It allows you to play a few games you had no time to play on your old console as well as allowing you to reminisce on some classics from that generation. This false impression that BC is needed in the middle of a generation is ridiculous.

[freshslicepizza]

Notice how so many won't talk about it? All they can say is it's business. Just like blocking EA Access and blocking cross play with other consoles.

They say they buy PS4 for new games as they get excited over remasters and older generation games getting VR support.

Sony has shown this entire generation that if it means extra work they want profits in return.

[yeahokwhatever]

"How is denying your consumers a choice a business move?"
1. Sony watched how many people continued playing PS2 and PS1 games on their PS3's. They already stated they track all of this. Hint: It wasn't many.
2. Cost vs. reward for implementing the hardware and software to do backwards compatibility on vastly different architecture, again, for a tiny subset of users was way, way, too high.
3. Remasters sell because they LOOK AND PLAY BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL. Along with extra features, trophies, etc. Gamers actually like playing remasters more than the original games(especially on newer TVs)
4. Most people that say they want backwards compatibility do so for a handful of games. Sony could have easily charged another ~100$ to include the hardware within the PS4 to enable full backwards compatibility, but then you're making all of your customers pay a heavy premium for something only a handful of users will utilize. You could instead just charge less of a premium to the users who actually want to re-experience old games by just selling those users the remakes of the games they actually want to play.

It's not about "taking away choice". When you buy a car, the fact that it doesnt also run on coal isnt a "removed choice". Its just an old, antiquated, shitty technology to include in a modern vehicle.

[MegamanXXX]

I agree with Cupid

[Omnislashver36]

We already know BC is difficult to achieve. So is making a new game. Sony has simply put their efforts into going forward, while MS has put their efforts into going backwards.

It's simple really. Would you throw a couple hundred million into doing backwards compatibility, or making a new game? Sony has chosen the latter and it's paid off. Not so much for MS.

When nex-gen rolls around and if Sony decides to do backwards compatibility because it's simple to go from x86 to x86, it will pay off for Sony.

It's like saying would you spend $100k on a new car, or spend $100k on shipping your old car from across the world? This old car is not nearly as nice as the new car, so it's better to get the new car.

Nex-gen shipping the old car will be $10k, so for $110k you keep the old car and get the new one as well. It's logical on all fronts and Sony will reap the rewards for it. Don't use BC as an excuse not to get favorite franchises remade up to Fan's expectations, NOR as an excuse not to release new games. MS is failing on both fronts. They don't know what to create next that will sell their system, and they have no idea what to do with old IPs fans want to see remade. So wth.

[Pricey]

Yeh come on Sony it's just like flicking a switch. You don't need resource to make PS4 backwards compatible with PS3. Definitely not a business decision /s

[Babadook7]

"Sony's Stance on Backwards Compatibilty Reeks of Dishonesty"

No. What a dishonest headline? They said from day one they can't do backwards compatibility with PS3 arch due to the change from Cell to x86 (at least not without completely rebuilding the game). There is nothing dishonest about it. and I personally don't care. After all this time it's turned into nothing but a bullet point for fanboys to bicker about like so many things Microsoft is championing these days.

[freshslicepizza]

"It's not about "taking away choice". When you buy a car, the fact that it doesnt also run on coal isnt a "removed choice". Its just an old, antiquated, shitty technology to include in a modern vehicle."

I still see a lot of old cars on the road. Sony just wants to give them a fresh coat of paint and try to sell your old car back to you again. Or charge monthly and putting a governor on it so it never runs as well as it used to.

[Why o why]

At Cupid. .

Truths I know but this is about Sony. . Forget the hypocritical Xbox fans who speak up more about this than their blatant lack of consistent quality support and droughts.

We should accept that Sony can do better but they won't if we, the Sony fans don't pipe up. If we continue to defend them we'll end up like the guys who defend Microsoft and enable them to change very little.

[Yetter]

@Cupid_Viper_3
Im skeptical of the validity of your list. Elite Dangerous for one has been on XB1 for over a year now. Not gonna check every title to see if its accurate, but a mistake like that makes me question your research skills

[Dragonscale]

How is it the only people who give a damn about PS4's lack of bc are the xbox fans. The switch doesn't have it either but that seems to get a free pass, hmmm. Reeks of dishonesty is complete negative hyperbole. The current sales of PS4 shows that bc isn't relevant to a consoles success. People buy new consoles ultimately to play new ip's, of which sony has plenty, thats the whole point. Old gen remasters are a bonus. No one is being forced to buy them. Seems playing old games is all the fanatx have left to brag about.

[Kellz]

@Cupid_Viper_3

you might want to check your list again. I know Elite: Dangerous has been on xbox for like a year. Also if it is also on PC why are you including it on your list? Isn't that a big anti-Xbox staple?

[Cupid_Viper_3]

@ Why o why

I do hold Sony to high standards, and I implore everyone to do the same as well, especially PlayStation fans. But I hold them to high REALISTIC standards.... From the onset, Sony having all the info on backward compatibility from TWO generations of PlayStation products (PS1 on PS2, and PS2 on PS3) decided that they will part ways with the PS3's architecture in order to offer a console that is incredibly powerful yet affordable to both the consumer and Sony themselves (remember Sony's financial situation 2012-2013). Also a system that will have a constant flow of high-quality games, exclusive and otherwise. But also a console that will be VR capable because Sony knew that in 2017-2020 VR would play a significant role, and they prepped their system for that.

So coming into the gen Sony had options that probably looked like this: VR, BC, Power, Games, Affordability... In order to be where they are at right now, Something had to give, and departing from the PS3's architecture (giving up BC on PS4) is the call they made... And funny enough, it's the call that 60+ million gamers overwhelmingly agrees with.

PS4 cannot play PS3 games..Sony has stated this from the start.

[Elimin8]

@ Ilikethemall85
SOME Sony fans NOT YOU Sony fans. Not all are biased. I'm a fan but don't condone everything they do..

[Death]

@yeah,

Do you honestly believe the bs you are selling?

Sony ripped b/c out of the PS3 within months of release to lower costs. There were very few games at the PS3's launch worth buying and having b/c was hurting new game sales. They killed two birds with one stone and yanked b/c. The story they told you was no one wanted it so they removed the choice. When software b/c worked fine in the 80 gig, what is the point of removing the choice if the added cost was minimal? The problem was Sony's attach rate for new software sales was still very low. No b/c means you had to buy new games. It was 100% about the money and 0% about the gamer. It's sad you still defend this move.

If that wasn't enough to change the way you choose to see things, ask yourself why a company that claims no one wants to play old games on their new consoles spent $380,000,000.00 to do it. Remasters are another example of demand for older titles. There is nothing to prevent them from making a sequel to accomplish the same end result, but by calling these games a remake they bank on nostalgia to increase sales.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

@Yetter

Thanks for pointing out the error in my first post. If I am listing games that aren't on aren't on XBox one then for sure Elite Dangerous can't/shouldn't be included on that list. And if finding one or two errors invalidates a list of 45 to you, then it's really your prerogative, I couldn't care less about what you think of my research skills. Especially when you yourself admitted that "you're not going to RESEARCH each and every one of them for their accuracy".

The point stands, he was trying to prove that gamers playing on the PS4 were being denied "CHOICES". I gave him 44 UNIQUE CHOICES for just this year alone and only counted from January to June of this year for standard PS4 games. 44 UNIQUE CHOICES that gamers on playing only playing on XBOX One don't have.

All that being said, I do sincerely thank you again for pointing out the error in my first post.

https://www.gamespot.com/ar... Here you'll find a good list to help you if you decide you do want to do the research.

[JackBNimble]

I am a huge Sony fan and buy all my games digitally, I understand the technical difficulties of b/c with ps3 to ps4. But going forward I see no reason why there should be problems in the future simply making the ps4 b/c with the ps5 and yes it should be expected from all you Sony guys.

I think it's a load of shit that I can only access part of my PSN account because some Sony executives say b/c is not needed or wanted.
I would never have this issue on steam or from the sounds of it... Xbox.

My PSN account is worth alot of money that I have paid Sony so I should be entitled to have full access to my account.

[JackBNimble]

Uh

[freshslicepizza]

There was a time when Sony could do both during the PS2 era, make great games and have a system to play PS one titles. My how times have changed and now they act like nobody cares about the feature as they invest hundreds of millions into a streaming service to play last generation titles.

It's all about the dollar and I don't blame them after all the losses that nearly bankrupt the company.

[Death]

@Cupid,

Out of curiosity why do we count DLC and indies the same way we do full releases, but we pretend the games added to the b/c available for sale don't exist? Is it because every Xbox owner bought every Xbox game like Playstation owners do? Personally I will take a retail 360 game I don't own over an indie pretty much every day of the week. The DLC being offered as a stand alone game is pretty compelling though.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"How is denying your consumers a choice"

Denying?

This is called PS4, not PS1 or PS2 etc.

Yet PS4 is selling better then Wii U and XONE, both platforms with BC. I'd rather they spend the money on other services.

If you don't have $80 to buy a used PS3, something is really wrong. I'd spend more time looking for a better job or going to school etc then posting on N4G about a company giving you a free system.

https://www.amazon.com/Sony...

If you sold your PS3, that is your fault bud, not Sony's. If you have a PS4......well clearly BC was THAT big of a deal to you if you actually have the damn PS4.

Both Nintendo, Sony, MS cater to their fans. Clearly to a different degree, but both still cater to their fans.

Sony is pumping out MORE GAMES then MS, MS cares so much about their fans, they are cancelling games, closing studios etc? We just had a MS press event where they announced zero new AAA IPs......

They have LESS GAMES BEING MADE!

You know what I care about? PS4 games....

I own a PS3, its a non-issue to me. I'd rather have Sony focus on giving me PS4 games, then saving me $80 on a feature I can have right now by going on Amazon.

Can you go on Amazon to solve MS games issue? Can you buy Scalebound right now and all is solved?

OHHHHH but optional issue is the REAL problem? LMFAO!

Get out of here with that BS bud. Get a job, keep your last gen systems etc. Worry about getting current gen games bud, not about MS saving you $50

https://www.amazon.com/XBOX...

So you rather save $50 or get Scalebound released?

[xxjabberxx]

If you don't like PSNow then buy or keep your last gen console. It's simple as that. I do and I can't tell you when was the last time I turned on my PS3

[Mithan]

Easy:
If it doesn't return a PROFIT, overall.

This means that if they spend $100 on backwards capability, but then it only returns $50, it isn't worth it.
Period.

[Realms]

LOL. Sony does cater to it's fans if BC was such a big deal then most gamers would go with the xbox but it's not. Gamers want new games, new Ip's different types of games and on consoles Sony does the best job of delivering that. You can get into semantics about this that or the other BC is not possible on the PS4 because of the architecture of the PS3 but try explaining that to fanboys who refuse to acknowledge facts. Now you talk about MS having a more powerful console so what they don't have the most important thing for gamers GAMES!!!

[Lilrizky]

Again, businss decision.

Wouldnt be nice if my ps4 wiped my ass.

Like i dont know about you but i rather play a rebuilt shadow of collossus with 4k support than phantom dust which no one talked about and no one was really interested in

Plus nintendo have been doing it for years. They JUST repackaged mario kart.

Stop living in the past.

[da1writer]

Death, the most uninformed corporate slave and console fanboy I've seen on n4g. Spouts out $380 Million like he knows what it was used for.

Yes, we can point to PS Now as well being a way to get consumers to rent titles they may already own but the $380 million was not used to purchase Gaikai to solely create PS Now. The purchase of Gaikai was to create five services utilizing the technology from that company, one we have already been talking about...

https://www.gaikai.com/#!/p...

PS Now - A way to play PS3 Games via streaming on Consoles (PS4), Mobile (Xperia Phone and tablets), and PC (No longer shackled in needing to buy a plastic box to play Playstation titles)
Remote Play - Continue playing your PS4 away from the console, same platforms as above
Shareplay - Play “Couch Co-op” with a friend over the internet, can also pass the controller to a friend to help you out or try the game before buying
PS Vue - Watch live TV or record your favorite shows on an unlimited DVR
http://fortune.com/2014/11/...
Playstation Store - Videos streaming in the background per game

Please Death, play games and stop being a fanboy who has to throw rocks at a plastic box you don't own or worship.

[Father__Merrin]

A ps4 is a better console than a xbox1 because of more and better games

[MagicBeanz]

I really don't understand why you Microsoft fans act like Microsoft can do no wrong. Wow it still works when you change the name of the company what a surprise.

[yomfweeee]

It is simple. Will the earn more profit one way or the other. That is how business work. Do you understand?

Plus you're ignoring the obvious fact that emulating the cell processor is an easy task.

[agent4532]

That's because Xbox gamers, the media, and more importantly the U.S. military went up in arms against Microsoft in regards to the Xbox One launch (24/7 online requirement for both single and multiplayer campaign, no disc tray, kinect focus,etc.). It took an entire gaming generation for Xbox gamers to wake up and demand quality. Microsoft had no choice at all but to cater to the gamers. Sadly, playstation gamers either got amnesia or are new sheeple that do not care about consumer rights or that the consumer is always right (they used to teach that in high school for the ROP Sales and Merchandise class). It amazes me that when it comes to cars, the hospitality industry, etc. the consumer always fights back. How many car recalls how we not seen, how many times do servers and kitchen staff had put up with very demanding customers. For example, today at work we had 4 customers who walked out on us and came back to eat what they ordered; leaving us no choice but to remake their food 😈). Only in gaming does the consumer does not care about their rights very weird indeed.

[Gunstar75]

#4thestakeholders 😂

[EatCrow]

So anti gamer move

[Veneno]

This is worse than always on DRM . No console function if not connected. Required Spy camera for console function. Don't you agree?

[EatCrow]

@Veneno
Never got the kinect. Always DRM makes sense for always online games but not for singleplayer.

Thankfully that was all quickly removed. Thanks to the fans who voiced their concerns. Cant say the same with playstation. I like playstation but all I see is fans fighting against BC on playstation because of the console war crap.

[TheCommentator]

MS listens to it's fans because they're for the players.

Sony listens to it's wallet because they're bankrupt without the PS4's financial support.

[DarXyde]

TheCommentator,

What are you even talking about?! You're lucky Microsoft didn't have their way, otherwise you couldn't even buy used games. The ONLY reason that didn't come to pass is because people were outraged. You say they're doing it for gamers, but let's be real: they changed that policy so people would even buy the damn thing.

[EatCrow]

@DarXyde

Granted some people like to support the devs and never buy used. Like me. Not to mention gamestop makes it unappealing to buy from their stores with all those stickers.

[spicelicka]

No shit. But that doesn't mean it's a respectable business move.

[Omnislashver36]

It's far more respectable than MS. Sony invested their millions into new games. MS invested theirs into old games. What's there to comprehend? Both businesses virtually only chose one option with a few exceptions. You guys got shafted.

[DarXyde]

Let's not be so quick to defend it. It seems Sony has an active interest in capitalizing on their catalog. We have plenty of remastered games, remakes, rereleases, and PS Now. They COULD likely introduce backwards compatibility, but how do they benefit financially? It's monopolized to ensure ANYONE trying to play these games goes back into their own pockets, the exception being used remasters and used remakes. It's greedy, but at the same time, if enough people buy it, it sends Sony the message that this is the will of the people. Rarely do I ever buy into those types of games, but it's because there's a market, they take advantage. Capitalism 101: if you have something people want, you can provide it and make yourself richer.

I don't like the lack of choice, but it also doesn't affect me.

[Corpser]

A business and anti-consumer move. Which side are you on?

[Why o why]

It's a cash grab. I would prefer the option but some would really love and utilise the option more than I would so I won't be an apologist for Sony. . They can do both. If they even made provisions for people who used their originals as a CD key for ps now people would have less to complain about but they haven't so complain. It's the only way for some of these things to progress

[Yetter]

for the gamers??

I guess not

[XStation4pio_Pro]

its actually a technology issue. the ps3 used cell processing which was completely different than x86 architecture - pretty hard to emulate as the architecture is completely different. thats actually why the ps3 ran some games worse than the xbox 360 even though it was technically more powerful on paper (marginally). The real answer is that they can't do it so they say its because no one uses it or its not worth it... but ask yourself - is giving your fanbase a free feature as a "nice to have" a bad thing if it can be done? I can't recall a single time when someone said "NO more free features! I've had enough". No one is paying for BC but Sony makes you pay to stream ps3 games. if the ps3 was built on the platform that the ps4 was built on (which is more similar to how the xbox runs) you could bet your ass sony would have had BC the day before MS announced it themselves. As a business, you want to have an edge on features. not implementing features is the opposite of that.

[InTheZoneAC]

Sony is

[donthate]

So is MS, NIntendo and Valve. They are also consumer friendly unlike Sony.

[2pacalypsenow]

Nintendo charges for their BC just like Sony and the Switch has 0 BC, Microsoft started the whole paid online on consoles. Ms is only doing this because they have to win their fan base back. Sony's focus is on getting new games and Ip's out on Ps4 and VR, MS is busy making older games on Xbox.

[rainslacker]

Except for the fact that while a good remaster can indeed make some money, so can selling a lot of the older games on PSN like they did on the PS3. People seem to ignore that there is still a revenue stream there in people buying digital games. Look at RDR for instance. While an extreme example of an old game that can sell well, every game that comes to BC has the potential to make money.

There is more than one way to handle business, and Sony just seems like they don't feel it's worth the time. I doubt remasters are part of it like this article is trying to stipulate, because only a small percentage of games actually get remasters, much less some cross gen port.

[KingKionic]

Another positive is that lots of fans of PlayStation would like it because many titles would run better on the ps4 pro and look better.

I think it's just because Sony just doesn't know how to do it.

[Saigon]

I think that is false, I don't want it and I have a Pro.

[KingKionic]

Ps4 pro does have boost mode and upscaled to 4K.

Definitely possible improvements

[ARESWARLORD]

what is wrong with you man. I want it and I have a pro and a reg ps4 as well as a ps3. I have so many digital games on my aging ps3, what happens when it dies. stop acting like a moron.

[xxGamerxx]

But many do want it. If you don't want it, who cares. Let the people not getting it complain cuz they do want it.

[MrFisher21]

Agreed. I rather run my ps3 game on my 3. I have around 200+ digital games. I have never cared for BC. It's cool. But so are so great exclusives.

[nyctophilia13]

I don't want it either. Also a Pro owner. There's so many great new games, why look backwards?

[starchild]

You don't want it? Lol

#keepBCoffmyPS4

[morganfell]

"I think it's just because Sony just doesn't know how to do it."

Really? This is easily a shortsighted remark. Sony has shown themselves to be masters of engineering.

[KingKionic]

Of course they are a top tier hardware company and there image senors are in almost all phones.

Im just saying the software side could be the issue.

I dont think Sony`s just sitting here like "Ok guys buy our remasters because they look better."

[morganfell]

Engineering involves software as much as hardware. They've mastered that too. Your remark is at best, uninformed.

[Dragonscale]

@kionic, it was on PS3 fgs till Sony ditched it.

[GTgamer]

I Bought bully and the entire gta ps2 collection played it for two days never went I'm sorry man the nostalgia wore off a long time ago I prefer new games vs old.

[blackblades]

It cost money and time and people which is better to focus on better things.

[agent4532]

But Sony was one of the corporations to include bc on PS2 and PS3 ($600.00). So according to you, Sony forgot how to implement bc. Glad I am on PC with both bc and free online gaming.

[moegooner88]

"I have a huge library of PlayStation 3 games. Literally, huge. They’re all pretty much useless to me now though; I packed up all my cruddy old PlayStation 3 consoles long ago."

Who asked you to pack them up ? Want to play the PS3 catalogue, then keep your "cruddy" PS3 consoles. Funny thing is these consoles are apparently cruddy, but somehow you want BC on PS4 to play games, that you didn't even use the primary main console for.

"It’s even released remasters of PaRappa The Rapper and a bundle of WipEout titles for the PlayStation 4".

And the WipEout collection debuted at number one on the UK charts, meaning that people actually want to play these remastered games, and evil Sony is catering to them.

"Now, it’s all about AAA cinematic epics that are beginning to feel very homogenous, and a VR headset that’s becoming increasingly underwhelming" .

Gravity Rush 2, TLG, and Horizon, games which are actually out, and I have played, are very well made, and can be described with anything other than cinematic. I take it you already played the games shown in E3 and came to this conclusion, or just pulling random info ?

"But hey, look out for the remake of Shadow of the Colossus that’s coming next year. You’ve only bought and played it twice already but you’ll do it again for a third time, right?"

Don't want to buy it, then don't, no one asked you to do so twice. You did it voluntarily. This is aimed at the people, who never played the game, or at the hardcore fans.

[Nyxus]

Agreed. Regardless of your stance on backwards compatibility this article just comes across as whiny.

[trooper_]

This article is plain idiocy.

[EatCrow]

"And the WipEout collection debuted at number one on the UK charts, meaning that people actually want to play these remastered games, and evil Sony is catering to them. "

OR people may just like playing some older titles every once in a while. Youre literally proofing the point of the article.

BC is aimed at people who havent play or hardcore fans who would like to replay.

[UCForce]

Wipeout Omega Collection is more than just remastered. The game revamped everything and play better than original.

[EatCrow]

@UCForce

I know. Ive played them.
Still doesnt change what I said.

[UCForce]

No, but that doesn't change the poor statement of your.

[_-EDMIX-_]

" hardcore fans who would like to replay."

If you are a hardcore fan....why do you not have the older system in the first place?

https://www.amazon.com/Sony...

[darthv72]

wipeout omega collection is a fine example of how to remaster something. You dont just do One and done... you make it a collection. As in to add more value to the purchase. I loved the compilations from last gen. Ratchet and clank, sly cooper, Jak and Daxter and it carried over to this gen with Uncharted and Halo MCC.

Remaking one single game (in my eyes) is a money grab. Last of Us was remastered for Ps4 and wasnt even very old. Gears of War was remade for XB1 and wasnt really needed. If it was in a Gears collection like MCC then sure.

A remaster / remake has to be more than the base material it is based off of. That's why compilations were such a hit last gen because they gave you more for your $$.

[Sevir]

It's not an article it's an opinion piece and a poorly contrived one at that.

[ARESWARLORD]

your fighting the wrong battle man. ps3 is out of production I want to be able to keep my games forever like steam. I still like to play some nes and genesis once in a while. I want my ps3 games available on my pro.

[Gamist2dot0]

I like my old games remade/remastered. Besides the visual and audio upgrade to meet my entertainment setup, they also improve on the controls or any issues that were left on the original.

[_-EDMIX-_]

10000% Agreed!

'Who asked you to pack them up ? Want to play the PS3 catalogue, then keep your "cruddy" PS3 consoles."

Its just a stupid, stupid argument. We are talking about a person so dumb, they are basically saying they love PS3 SOOOOOO much......they no longer have it. I don't get it? Sooo they have a lot of games and love those, but not enough to keep their PS3, only to cry about lack of the thing they choose to sell?

https://www.amazon.com/Sony...

If they don't have the money for this used, I don't see the reason to cry to Sony.

No one forced them to sell or get rid of their PS3 or not buy a new one etc. The price of a PS3 used is less then the price of 2 games new. If someone wanted it THAT BADLY,......it exist, it has for over 10 years. Who is so stupid as to cry about something they can have today?

The article is pointless and as stupid as it gets. Maybe this person should spend more time looking for a better job vs crying for a company to give them something free.

[starchild]

I find the whole "just keep your PS1, PS2 and PS3 consoles to play those games" to be asinine.

I like convergence. I need more space in my house. I'm never going to keep a bunch of consoles hooked up to my tv. Telling someone they should just buy/keep an old console instead of simply having the desirable feature of backwards compatibility is kind of like telling someone they should cary around a flashlight, compass and GPS unit instead of just appreciating that their smart phone can do all of those things.

Convergence is a GOOD thing. Anyone that argues against it is acting stupid. If Sony can bring backwards compatibility to the PS4 or PS5 I'm 100% behind it.

[da1writer]

Where's the outcry for us who have older consoles? I can't play my Wii, Wii U, Gamecube, N64, SNES, and NES games on my Switch? I keep all the devices I buy and pull them out my closet whenever I want.

If only there weren't any corporate slaves or console fanboys with an agenda fighting the imaginary console war, no one would care what feature a system had and just talkd about and played games instead. Play Games not the plastic boxes you worship, no corporation is paying you to fight for them. They just want your money.

Besides, those that talk about how easy it is to bring PS3 titles to PS4 are uninformed and need to do some research on the two devices.

The PS3 was using the Cell CPU, running at 3.2Ghz with a complicated 7 SPU cluster running at their own speed frequencies, something i7 PC's are having issues running that PS3 Emulator (at least for the 3D Titles). I'm sorry, this may upset some people, but the Jaguar CPU is still only a laptop like CPU. While it's an octocore, only 7 are available to devs and are severally​ underclocked (1.6Ghz on PS4, 2.1Ghz on Pro) compared to PS3, Ubisoft agrees as you can see here, GPU is the only way devs can work around this limited CPU (it's why resolution hasn't been too much of an issue for developers, outside a few trying a few things like 60fps or a more stable framerate). Reality, The PS3 CPU is better than PS4/PS4 Pro/X1/Scorpio, hand down.

http://www.redgamingtech.co...

Xbox 360 was simply a Tri-Core CPU btw, something that could be emulate by virtualization of the older hardware via an X1 Coded wrapper. Which was not easy as it's not as simple as people think as you can't just pop in any game you have, the 360/X1 wrapper has to be made and be available to download as a digital title - your disc is simply an authenticator.

PC has the best backwards compatibility anyway...

[moegooner88]

If someone is stupid enough to pay for something then say I don't want to keep x or store y, then he/she can suit him/herself. It is their money to burn after all.

[No Way]

I wouldn't say they are catering to the fans who want to play old games by releasing remasters. If they were actually catering to them, they would allow all old games to be played - via BC.

It's a cash grab. They are catering to their wallets.

[moegooner88]

You wouldn't say, but the people voted with their wallets, and they want the remasters. Doesn't matter whether you disagree with the latter fact or not, doesn't make it any less valid.

[agent4532]

What the guy meant was that Sony prevents people from using their hard bought games forcing them to re-buy them again.

[Kashima]

Wants Demon's souls remaster

[INMATEofARKHAM]

Would be awesome but I would be shocked if it ever happened. The game had 3 publisher and I bet all if them would have to agree to it, who gets the money, and the bills.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed. I thought at E3 when I saw Bluepoint games, I was like "DEMON SOULS REMAKE" lol

Hopefully, one day.

[Veneno]

What could this game benefit from a remaster? It's not old enough to get a huge gain in graphics. Maybe down the line when it can really benefit from a tech overhaul.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Thats why its being remade and not "remastered"

[GamePeace]

Who does not? That would be too much for my poor little liver ...

[-Foxtrot]

Not saying they are in the right for their stance on BC but I'd take a full on remake of Shadow of the Colossus and any other PS1/PS2 game then playing the old ones through BC.

[ArchangelMike]

Exactly. I'd love a remake rather than a remaster as well.

[The 10th Rider]

Same here. I'm glad they're remaking SotC. I also think backwards compatibility with PS3 may be technologically impossible. But man, last gen they released so many hd remaster packs for like $20. You'd think at the very least they could bring that series of releases back, they could even be run in native 4k on the pro.

[Why o why]

I hear that fox. . An option would appease all though. I didn't care for bc as I want new and crisp visuals but some wouldn't mind a little upscaled version of something they've already purchased

[Chexs1990]

I agree 100% dude. Still own the original SoTC but would deffo rather play through a remaster/remake of it :D
I do however think it's a bit hypocritical of them to have a PS2 section in PS store though :O
It's profits, pure and simple :P

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed.

I own the original, PS3 remaster and I want that remake!

I'm not sure why anyone would choose BC over a damn FULL REMAKE! That is like saying, " Look Tim, you can either play FFVII on your PS1 right now........or REMAKE"

"I'm going to have to say BC to play FFVII Jim, I don't want a remake of any kind, just the exact game I could already play for almost 20 years, I don't know what good would come from having remake, its best to have no new version at all and play the old one with zero changes"

LMFAO!

[Snookies12]

Ha ha, the four people who disagreed... Sad...

[-Foxtrot]

Yet...if they or someone else did a Spyro the Dragon remake, Tomb Raider, Legend of Dragoon, Jak and Daxter, Max Payne, Beyond Good and Evil, Pandemonium, Ape Escape, Killzone, Resistance or whatever game they like more they'd buy it in a heart beat.

[FallenAngel1984]

Yet Sony has no issue reselling these classic games to you

[Veneno]

Neither does microsoft. Neither does Nintendo. What's your point?

[FallenAngel1984]

@ Solid

Hell no I love those games. I'm not saying it's bad to resell, I'm saying they cant criticize BC when they still profit off of old games from consumers such as myself

@ Veneno

You don't see Microsoft or Nintendo downplaying BC

[2pacalypsenow]

Nintendo sells their BC, but it's nintendo, they can do no wrong. Did you forget they removed the Gamecube from the Original Wii?

[_-EDMIX-_]

? Switch doesn't have BC.

Breath Of The Wild Wii U version can't be played on Switch......

Mario Kart 8 deluxe came out, you can't play Mario Kart 8 Wii U on Switch.

Sooooooooooo yea.

Metroid 2 is being remade.

Maybe you better look this up bud LOL! Have you not heard of VC?

Did MS not remake Gears Of War 1? Was Phantom Dust not being remade and then just ported?

Are you sure about this?

[Fazraza]

Yep, imagine how different the comments on backwards compatibility would be here had Sony been the ones to introduce it this generation instead of Microsoft...

[TKCMuzzer]

They are not reselling anything to me, I still own the discs to my favourite PS3 games and a PS3 to play them on. Sony did not ask you to sell your PS3 or its games, that was your choice, they said the PS4 did not do BC, thats why I kept my PS3.
I would assume you got rid of your PS3 and it's games which means they are not reselling them to you as you don't own them, if you own them digitally you can pick up a PS3 cheap and guess what, you can download them again at no extra cost.
Microsoft are not downplaying BC because they need all the positive things they can to please their fans, so people like you believe they care, most companies would do this and i'm sure if the PS4 was struggling ( I say struggling, I mean in comparison to your nearest competitor) Sony would put more effort into BC as an incentive, unfortunately for the percentage that want BC the PS4 continues to sell because of its present and future library.
There is obviously a bigger cost to implementing PS3 BC than MS has with 360 BC becasue of the differences in tech between PS3 and PS4, something you or I have no information on, like most things in the gaming community we can only speculate.

[MilkMan]

"Sony's Stance on Backwards Compatibility Reeks of Dishonesty"
YUP!

[gtxgamer2]

Who cares!? Noones buying a brand new console to play old games. They want new games, new experiences.

[EverydayJoe]

I purchased GTA San Andreas when they put PS2 classics on PS4 remembering how much fun I had with it and how many hours I put into the game as well (plus trophy support) as true as all that is, those days are gone. My tastes have matured. My tolerance for two generations old graphics & sound is not very good and probably best kept as a memory and not re-lived.

After that purchase I could care less about backward compatibility. If I ever feel like again strolling down memory lane I will just hook up

[Fazraza]

The amount of people on here who rushed out to re-buy TLoU on PS4 a year after buying the original on PS3 proves otherwise, talk about bending over...

[TKCMuzzer]

It's not the same, for starters you have no figures that show how many were new to TLOU and how many were buying it again. Remember the remaster had better graphics and increased frame rate. People may have sold their PS3 version to buy the PS4 version becasue they think it's a great game. When you buy a remaster that is your choice, people are not bending over. Plus I imagine quite a few Halo owners bought the remaster but I suppose they don't count, as far as I am aware Halo 3 and 4 are not available as BC titles but have been offered as part of the remastered collection. So if I owned the 3 and 4 on the 360 I would have to buy the MC collection even though the company that owns the IP is doing BC but these games are not available.
All companies are the same you just have to look in the right direction to see it or past what suits your own agenda.

[Jon_Targaryen]

Your comment is so retarted. Whats the bet you atleast have 4 remastersin your collection. Total hypocrite.

[The_Sage]

@ title. So does this article.

[littletad]

I really thought this sentence hit the nail on the coffin here, "I'd rather Sony come out and say that they couldn't do it due to technical reasons, rather than say consumers don't want to play old games." Let's be honest, if Sony somehow found a way to allow us to play our old games, they'd be reeling in positivity and financial success because most PlayStation gem classics of the ps2 era and ps1 were incredible gems. Not everyone still has the discs, and i'm sure many would love to re-buy old classics. It would be a win-win in my opinion. Instead, they chose PlayStation now and criticized a feature that should be universally accepted as a good thing for all gamers.

[Veneno]

So......... the author accuses Sony of dishonesty but asks Sony to be ..............dishonest?

Writer is incompetent.

[starchild]

Huh? No, quite the opposite. He wants Sony to admit the truth that backwards compatibility is a good, pro-gamer feature and that they aren't doing it because emulating the PS3 would be a major challenge and also because they like making extra money off re-releases.

Given the way so many are downplaying BC and the fact Sony generates more money doing re-releases it makes me afraid that we'll never see backwards compatibility on our Playstation consoles ever again.

So, thanks a lot.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

Sony just wants to sale us remakes instead of giving us the option to play our old games on a current console. Bad form Sony...

[UCForce]

Backwards compatibility will never be system seller. I stated it that in 2014. Old game is better than new game ? Maybe, but people do love to play new stuff.

[UCForce]

Remake is way different than remastered. Simple as that.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

No matter how you spin it Sony wants to charge you for old games.

[UCForce]

Here the thing, would you like to play Phantom Dust remake (canceled) than remastered ?

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

What does that have to do with my original comment? And to answer your question id like to be able to play it free though BC with an OPTION to buy a remaster

[TKCMuzzer]

He would buy the ramaster, the problem with saying that is, it does not back up his comment.

[TKCMuzzer]

Your not stating facts, your giving an opinion, facts are backed up by sources.

[Blastoise]

I don't agree with Sony's stance on BC, but The Shadow of the colossus example is unfair. It's a remake. Xbox one has BC but they still made Gears of a war ultimate edition.

[Sevir]

And I wonder which version of gears they're playing on XBO, the 30fps bc version or the remastered port which looks and plays better?

Or how about the Halo Anniversary remake included in the master chief collection that they bumped up to 1080p and 60fps? Are they playing those or are they playing backwards compatible sub hd version and calling it amazing after having experienced the cleaner versions on XBO that were ported and remastered?

They certainly love to move the goal post

[TKCMuzzer]

They can't play Halo 3 or 4 on BC because ironically they are not available, now, I wonder why that is? (for those who are not sure, so MS can make money out of the MC collection, weird that, Sony are not the only ones.)

[ShottyatLaw]

Its a remake of a game that was already remastered. Sums up why a lot of people are getting a bit fed up with their tactics.

Jim Ryan is quickly becoming the next Aaron Greenberg. When the company that shows off "remasters" of games like Grim Fandango and Parappa during prior E3s dismisses BC later on, I think they deserve to be called out on it.

[uGLYmE]

Completely different architecture between PS3 and PS4; We're not talking about a copy and paste job.

Just plug in your PS3 or buy a hdmi switch. Or, for that matter, just buy a Xbox and play a bunch of old games while Sony concentrates on new stuff for me.

[TKCMuzzer]

Eh what? So what your saying is, real games who are truly bothered about games from every generation should keep the hardware to play it on, that's just ridiculous and makes complete and utter sense, you do not belong here......

[starboy11]

Sony doesn't just resell the game as it was on the original console. Imagine if you had a PS2 game to play, right? If the PS4 was backwards compatible with PS2 then you could easily play it on PS4 right? But then you could be losing out on buying it as a PS2 classic where the game has been upscaled to 1080p and had trophies added in. I could see where you were coming if Sony just repacked whatever with PS4 compatibility, but they don't. Sony sells you a better version of what you bought previously with at least a bit of added content. How is that dishonest? People clearly want to buy these games.

[slappy508]

I would appreciate Backwards compatibikity. But as a workaround I bought a ps3console so it's plugged in my tv next to my pro. Would love it if I can play everything on one system,but unfortunately that's not the reality probably due to the difference in architectures. I do love going to the local games shop and buying hidden gems ps3 gameson the cheap; playing syndicate right now, bought that,Far cry 3 soul caliber and Dead space 2 for a total of the us equivalent of $20. Score!

[Greg2801]

I rather have remakes like what they are doing with Crash Bandicoot and Shadow of the Colossus. Better graphics and everything i'll pay for that.

[WickedLester]

Me too. Many of the PS3 games worth a damn have already gotten re makes (though I'd still love to see the 1st two Little Big Planets, Mod Nation Racers, Infamous 1 and 2, and the Motorstorms get re masters). Plus, I'm sorry but I am not going back to playing PS1 and PS2 graphics. They're ugly as hell, especially on HD TV's. Give me remastered versions any day.

[shysun]

I don't have those disc anymore.

[Inzo]

This guy is going on as if Sony is churning out remasters at every opportunity. I am really ok with not having BC which wouldn't matter anyway because I still have my PS2 and PS3. And just to show how far behind MS is in the game, the biggest cheer they got at their conference was the announcement that the 1X will hav BC. There's something wrong with that picture.

You want to talk about dishonest, how about MS going on about 60 fps and true 4k while the devs already confirmed 30fps and checkerboard 4k on games like AC. You want to talk dishonest, how about MS showing Metro from the PC version. Dishonest, they name is MS.

[InTheZoneAC]

I'd rather play hd upgrades with trophies and updated camera/controller support than a blurry game on my 4k tv.

I can't wait for FFXII and I would die if they ever gave us socom 2 and CA, with or without online play. Still hoping Sony announces socom 5 and hands it to a real dev that doesn't butcher it like they did with socom 4

[ocelot07]

If Sony was ever going to bring BC to PS4. We would of had it by now. I think that ship has sailed. If you want to play these old games so badly. Buy them for pennies in a local game shop and buy a second hand PS3 for the price of a new game.

If you don't like the though of buying a remake or a remaster. Then simply don't buy them. I rather Sony focus on releasing even more exclusive first party titles than having to spend a tone of money and a load of time trying to get PS3 games running on a PS4.

[ShadowWolf712]

So you're telling me you think Sony went out and spent millions to remake this game from the ground up in HOPES it'll sell well enough to cover the costs because they don't want to "allow" the game to be played on their system?

Yeah ok that logic makes sense.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Question...do diehard Sony fans have jobs? Seriously, you guys go on and on about exclusives. When do you have time to play all this stuff? I'm still on the 1st castle in Persona 5 but the game itself takes 70+ hours to beat. Ni-OH which I'm also playing can take upwards of 80 hours.

The exclusives arguments are just plain dumb with the amount of content available. I've never had this many unfinished games on a Playstation or an Xbox in my life.

But on topic of course the are dishonest. They would rather you rebuy a remaster for the 3rd and 4th time or pay for PS Now. Its absurd how much they get away with.

[generic-user-name]

"Exclusives are bad because it takes me a long time to play through them".

I've seen it all now.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Never said that

[phoenixwing]

Lol yeah thats the worst argument ive ever seen. I play jrpgs and rpgs i guess i should give up on them because they take time to play. Lmao smdh

Btw yes i have a job. Its called a gamer preference. While you spend hours shooting junk on your xbox spark i spend them playing a story and fighting monsters and people.

[2pacalypsenow]

So it's a bad thing when a console offers a wide selection of games because you can't finish them?

Assuming everyone works 5 days 8 hours a day + Commute, sleeps 8 hours a day, that give you around 7 hours to game on weekdays + 16 hours on weekends.

That's 67 hours a week you can game, plenty of time to finish a game.

[starchild]

I agree. But isn't that essentially the same argument others are making about backwards compatibility? They're downplaying BC based on this silly idea of "I buy a console to play new games". In reality there's no either-or choice here at all. You can play new games AND old games. Shocking, I know. But a good game is a good game. And I'd always rather be able to choose from among MORE good games than fewer.

Having backward compatibility gives you more to choose from just like having more exclusives gives you more to choose from. No individual is ever going to play all the games out there, but being able to choose from a wider variety of games makes it more likely that that individual will find games that maximally appeal to them.

[RedDeadLB]

I don't know, I'd rather play remakes than games 10+ years old.

[2cents]

It's not a decision set in stone.

Hopefully over time and with enough bad press and pressure they may reconsider... Maybe.

[Grilla]

Never gonna happen, but I can see the ps5 being bc with the ps4. Nintendo had to do the same thing with the switch. Going forward they both had to dump that old tech.

[2cents]

I know, but they may rework the pricing structure and distribution model of PSNow to be able to closer reflect the 'backward compatibility' feature being so eagerly paraded.

[LoveSpuds]

For me, I would of course be happy if my PS4 played my PS3 titles as I have a couple of hundred on my shelf, however, it's no real drama as I have my PS3 sat along side my PS4.

As far as these remasters go, I love them. I honestly had no intention of ever revisiting the likes of SotC, Crash Bandicoot, Wipeout or Resident Evil, I loved these back in the day but they just don't hold up today for me. Titles getting remastered however does rekindle my interest, it does make me excited again, these are not just 'up-res-ed' originals, they are remade classics that bring beloved classics up to date.

[Razzer]

This again?

[generic-user-name]

And everyone stays quiet when Nintendo do it.
Plus using shadow as an example is idiotic, this is not a remaster it's a remake.

[J-DARKnes]

I could careless about BC, I still own my ps3 and over 150 games and I'm way to busy enjoy my ps4 to focus on old ganes.. I mean thats the reasin why I bought a ps4 in the first place. Im cool with Sony remaking old ps1 & ps2 games like this, if uou dont want em don't buy em and if you want to play old games that bad go buy yourself a ps1, ps2 or 3 for that metter.

[Chaosdreams]

Time changes opinion. It's been a few years now and I don't have a need (personally) for BC, as much as I used to. That said, BC would be nice (I mean, options are great).

Whatever their reason, or stance, it needs to change for the next generation. Otherwise I'll gladly stay on my ps4 and shrug at the new gen.

[feraldrgn]

Yes, because the Shadow of the Colossus remake looks like the same HD game. /s

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[AZRoboto]

Why are we defending or insulting companies for giving us too little or too many options?

"I would rather play a remaster." Well, great for you - wouldn't we all? But it is freaking awesome that, in theory, my $50 purchase from when I was 13 is still worth something today. Isn't that the entire crux of the digital vs. physical argument, that in XY years you can still enjoy your game without worrying about servers or it being stuck on a dead incompatible machine, or forced to buy it again?

I don't think Ninja Gaiden Black will be getting a remaster soon either...

[Jon_Targaryen]

You cant even change ypur nic on PSN. Now you expect them to implement BC?!?!?

Screw that, they'll milk every last one of you cause they know most of you are sheep.

[SyWolf]

They can't properly emulate the cell processor.

[LOCO209]

I actually like these remakes. They look better and play better on the newer hardware than the originals.

I can see BC going to be a norm with the HD gen forward, sure we should be able to keep our but alot of the older stuff should be remade or remastered to take advantage of the newer tech.
If you want to play old stuff the exact way it came out then what better way then on the hardware it was meant for.

[LA_Zeo]

BC wouldn't matter if you hold on to your games plain & simple

[Tetsujin]

"The fact of the matter is though, I’d rather Sony come out and admit that it won’t happen for technical reasons, rather than saying it’s something that consumers don’t want when they clearly do."

I stopped reading the article after this line. Sony has said multiple times there were certain hurdles they had a hard time jumping, and even one E3 Yoshida himself made the comment "I wonder how they did that?" or something along those lines.

Granted I'd welcome BC on the PS4, since there is some titles I do want to play again (ones I know 100% will never get a remake/remaster on newer gen), at the same time I'm OK with newer experiences. The root of the problem, there's only a small minority who wants actual BC AND USE IT. You can have an entire community shouting for a feature, and then the number of people using it isn't big enough to warrant more support; then it's back to the same old debate again of "Sony doesn't care!" or "They did BC only on X and Y games!" followed by multiple troll responses. When I had the PS3, I used the BC to play Final Fantasy 11 as a 3rd device; and sold it to a friend who never owned a PS1/2 growing up so I could buy the first gen PS3 slim model. At first BC sounded real good, only to rarely use it because my first thought is "well it's here, I'll use it when I want." Also I owned an actual PS2, so at times I can have both PS2 and 3 on, and if someone needed to talk to me I'd just flip the input channel(s).

In short, I'll take HD remasters/remakes; where the games are updated for current gen. I can at least show support for more opportunities to re-release games over buying second hand where there's no way of tracking what the fans want outside "taking their word for it."

[ILostMyMind]

Do a beautiful and fluid version of a masterpiece game and i will buy it.

[Officialxandr]

LOVE PlayStation but their excuse is BS. Why go through all the trouble of PS Now if it backwards compatibility wasn't wanted/needed?

[firelogic]

Would you rather play the original SotC PS2 disc on your PS4 or this complete remake? Sure BC is nice to have but the masses don't use it and given a choice between playing the original vs a remake/remaster, I would personally choose the remake/remaster.

Stats don't lie. If BC made business sense for Sony, they'd implement it. They see what MS is doing. They see the numbers reported by them for BC use. They see the numbers for people buying 360 games. They've crunched the numbers and discovered that it isn't used by many and it doesn't bring in any money AND it doesn't influence people's decisions when buying a new generation of hardware. If BC is as great as game forum commentors think it is, why hasn't it changed XBOX One sales numbers? I would have expected them to gain ground, not lose it, after putting in BC.

[meka2611]

Love this, now who are the salty ones? Seen a bunch of articles about xbox fans whining, yet here are sony fans whining that more features is bad.

[one2thr]

People keep screaming for backwards capability, and yet they never provide a way on how Sony, should manage that when the PS3 isnt even using conventional hardware.

By now, one would think that people should knew that the PS3 was powered by a parallel cell processor known as, "Cell Broadband Engine" with a customized gpu known as RSX.

Its not a traditional x86 architecture, at this point why would they waste resources to emulate old games, when said resources can and should be put towards the creation of new games.

[niteight]

How many new games did the $380 million they spent buying Gaikai to rent backwards compatibility to you monthly cost you?

[one2thr]

I never even used PS Now, I still recieve reminders to use the free trial.

I'd like to know about that $2.5billion that MS spent to buy 1 game, instead of creating first party studios or hiring talented devs, to create some first party titles?

So what Sony bought streaming servers, to stream games on PS and PC platforms.

But didnt MS buy Azure, and promised cloud computing, and "Drivatars".

Didnt GT5 do something similar to Drivatars offline?

When was cloud compute promised to deliver cutting edge gameplay, that wasnt found on any other platform?

See, your not the only one to play that type game.

[niteight]

Ok. We get it. Sony supposedly lacks the technical prowess to properly emulate their own cell processor. But they have had software emulation for PS2 since the 80 GB PS3. And what's the explanation for not letting you access your PS One or PSP digital purchases either? I'm sure all of you cucks defending this keep record players, 8 tracks, and cassette tape players on hand to hook up everytime you want to listen to a song that hasn't come out in the past few years right?
Since you're basically expecting gamers to do the equivalent. I can understand why Sony does this to you (greed). What I can't understand is why so many of you like it and beg for more.

[MrSega]

CELL processor has 2x more power than the Jaguar on PS4, which makes the emulation almost impossible.

[niteight]

And that explains Sony holding PS One and PS2 emulation hostage how?

[MrSega]

this most likely is a business decision due to the Playstation Now, which is a universal approach regarding retrocompatibility.

[niteight]

Sony says that the PS4 is roughly 10 times as powerful as the PS3.
http://www.trustedreviews.c...
Try harder

[MrSega]

If we are talking about the GPU this is true:

PS4: 1.83 Gflops
PS3: 220 Gflops
X360: 240 Gflops
Switch: 192 Gflops (Portable)
Switch: 430 Gflops (Docked)

But in terms of CPU, it's another story...

PS3: 200 Gflops
PS4: 112 Gflops
X360: 100 Gflops
Switch: Something around 50 Gflops (docked and undocked)

As the PS4's architecture allows it to use the GPU to do some CPU tasks, they can handle it. and of course, even Jaguar being a weaker CPU in terms of raw power, it's a more modern and complex CPU (x86). The weakest CPU remains on the Switch for sure.

[GrmpyolGamer]

Sony has a massive pool of credulity and abjection to draw from in regards to its fanbase and even tho its clearly anti consumer they would be crazy not to take advantage of that. Why give when u can take and your fans thank you for it

[niteight]

+1

[nyctophilia13]

I'm sorry but I'd rather play an old game remastered to take advantage of new hardware than just play an original version that looks extremely outdated. Yes I'll pay twice if I really like the game. If its not worth it to you, DON'T BUY IT.

And complaining about backwards compatibility with the insane amount of new games constantly being released every month on PS4 is pathetic. You want old games? Keep your old systems hooked up. I still have my Dreamcast hooked up, what's so hard about that???

[niteight]

As if every game has a remastered version to choose from right? The fact is only a very small percentage of games are lucky enough to get the remaster treatment. And why shouldn't we all have an entertainment center capable of holding a dozen consoles, a tv with 3 dozen rf, composite, av & hdmi ports? So sorry for not being as privileged as you. Thank you so much fo so much enlightenment!

[nyctophilia13]

"The fact is only a very small percentage of games are lucky enough to get the remaster treatment." Wow, talk about enlightenment. Please, do you have any other pearls of wisdom you'd like to drop? Who said a dozen consoles? Not me. But I know, I'm sooo privileged because I have a friggin Dreamcast. Sit down.

[Tedakin]

I think the cell processor and all that makes BC hard for them. But also yeah there is more money it remasters and PS NOW

[niteight]

So you're saying that they can't let you play your PS One and PS2 titles because cell processor is hard for them?

[niteight]

Sony says that the PS4 is roughly 10 times as powerful as the PS3
http://www.trustedreviews.c...

[Doge]

There's literally no excuse to not have the digital PS1 games you bought last gen playable on the PS4.

[EricHonolulu]

I don't mind paying for a totally remastered version of an old game with updated graphics, etc. If you want to play an old game with old graphics then play it on the older system. DUH!

[niteight]

On systems that they no longer manufacture? For games that are no longer being sold retail? Do you not care about the devs? Are u a pirate or something?

[Gravesinger_]

And this is why people should stop wanting $ony to keep their foot on Micro$oft's throat, when either one of these companies becomes bigger than the other, the largest one starts to make anti-gamer decisions in part of increasing their own revenue, or to not spend as much. We saw Micro$oft who enjoyed leading and being on top of the with the 360 the last generation, get complacent, and start promoting stupid shit, such as "Always Online" with the Xbox One. Now it seems as the pendulum swings back in $ony's favor, they are inevitably starting to make the same mistakes. Everything comes full circle eventually...E V E R Y T H I N G.

[Knushwood Butt]

Why can I not play the digital version of Mario Kart 8 Wii U on the Switch?

[DafunkyRebel]

BC games cost money to port to current gen. MS has tons of money so they can fund it but Sony is a different story plus they know that BC games will hinder their studios and IPs

[GamingGod72]

Its a remake.

[GamingGod72]

Backwards compatibility is cool but if I'm going to play an old game, I'd rather play a remaster/remake

[MaxedOutGamer]

It's simple, Sony has chosen to focus on new ips and games and don't see the need to invest resources on backwards compatibility,which only appeal to a niche demographic. Microsoft, however are fully aware that they have no chance in hell of competing with Sony when it comes to exclusives, so they decided to rely on old content to bolster their library content.

[jebabcock]

From the wording its not technical or business but about legalities and about being open to lawsuit due to how their business is structured and what agreements etc are in place.

Edit: I don't say that to justify, but simply that legal issues and agreements tend to be what kills this stuff more than anything else. It is unfortunate that Sony is not in a state to be more flexible as it is a missed opportunity.

[MagicBeanz]

The irony of calling Sony dishonest when Microsoft lies all the time but by all means carry on.

[Doge]

They're both dishonest garbage.

[MrSec84]

The numbers are out there for people to see, 1.5% of game time was used on BC last gen and it was deemed as more important to change processing architecture to a more developer friendly type of technology, while I've held the opinion that it's probably technically feasible to emulate PS3 on PS4 by writing a virtual machine to run Power PC code through Jaguar, but SPEs and RSX on the GPU, it's probably by no means straightforward or a fast thing to work on.

It took Microsoft 2 years to get PowerPC and older ATI GPU code from 360 games to run on XB1, 360's tech was much more straightforward than PS3's, hell PS3 even uses Nvidia GPU architecture, Sony may not even have permission to use their processing tech within another device besides PS3.
At this point we're already approaching 4 years into the generation, Sony could have had teams attempting to make an emulator, but it's just not worked out.

IMO they've been honest about the numbers of people who used BC on PS3, they have no reason to lie about it when they've stated the facts.
I'm sure Shuhei has said it's technically hard, which implies they've worked on the problem. Hell Sony has some of, if not the best programmers in the industry, to think they wouldn't give the challenge a try, when coders love these kinds of brain teasers is pretty stupid.

[phantomexe]

Forced to sign into MS service. Idk how i feel about that. Why dont the big 3 get together and create any independent service that links them all for cross game play. SE has done this in the past why can't the big 3 do it. Makeing the 2 others use there service feels dicy.

[MonChiChi]

Remakes and remasters I like more TBH.