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PS3 is wayy more powerful than X360 ,CELL =10x XENON

INTRODUCTION

This is an article to refute and dispel the negative comments circulating around based on commments from worst anti-sony man JOHN CARMACK .
CARMACK was bashed back in 2005 when he said "Doom 3 is not possible on ps2". Gaffe proved him wrong by bringing GOD OF WAR --one of the technical and graphical marvel of LAST GEN.

as for doFrad it doesnt even know what it is talking about. Its editor was a former MS employee just like JON HANNIBAL of arsenetica. HANNIBAL was also a former MS employee

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CELL vs XENON vs QUAD CORE

CELL is around 4--5x as powerful as the QUAD CORE processor. Anyone who runs FOLDING HOME project will notice that CELL dissipates 250GFLOPS of energy per sec

However lets get down to the benchmaks
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IN RAW FLOPS crunching CELL is 3x as XENON

http://members.forbes.com/global/2006/0213/070A.html

However XENON cant do any of procedural sysnthesis of PROFX

http://www.psu.com/4D-Graphics--A-reality-only-for-PlayStation-3-Feature--a1063-p0.php

Neither can it do TRE,RAYTRACING,RAYCASTING ,Linear matrices at 256k etc



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IBM's take on XENON and CELL.


Note:- IBM is the maker of both CELL and XENON

Speed Thrills: Cell Zaps Rivals
Cell
IBM, SONY, TOSHIBA
Transistors
(mil)
234
Performance
(gigaflops)
230
Xbox 360
processor
IBM
Transistors
(mil)
165
Performance
(gigaflops)
77
Pentium 4
Extreme Edition 840
Intel
Transistors
(mil)
250
Performance
(gigaflops)
26

Sources: Microprocessor Report; IBM.



IBM themselves are stating that CELL is 3x as powerful as XENON in raw flops crunching. NOTE :- this report was released prior to the release of OCTOPILER ----the default compiler for CELL.

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Here are the complete list of Benchmarks for Cell .
NOTE:- all these were released before the advent of OCTOPILER.

BUT according to these benchmarks a CELL is around 20x as powerful as any of the High end DUEL -CORE desktop processors including XEONS and OPTERONS


Cell beats 7800gt by 6:1 .This should give people an idea about why KZ2,LAIR and other ps3 titles look wayy better than anything available on any other platform. Cell's ability to carry out Graphical tasks are also consolidated with this benchmark

http://www.gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/2005/11/30/gpus-vs-cell/

****Now MC systems take on Cell

http://www.mc.com/uploadedFiles/Cell-Perf-Simple.pdf

http://www.mc.com/microsites/cell/demo.aspx

http://www.mc.com/uploadedFiles/Cell-WP.pdf

RESULT:- Cell murders PC cores


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Now lets see what UC@ Berkeley had to say on CELL

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/LBLTalk.pdf

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/EDGE06_abstract.pdf

RESULT :- in SP calculation (which is related to gaming ) a Cell is a minimum of 10x as powerful as the most powerful OPTERON available today. The margin shoots to 60x in some perf like TRE and STENCIL

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This is IBM's take on CELL.
NOTE :- the becnhmarks were released prior to the release of OCTOPILER

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellperf/

RESULT :- Cell murders competition

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MIT ---world's no 1 university in engineering is claiming that the performace of CELL could be multiplied even by 6x/7x with the release of a bypass multipurpose and multiphase COMPILERS

http://cag.csail.mit.edu/crg/papers/eichenberger05cell.pdf


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CELL vs QUAD CORE

a CELL processor is roughly 5x as powerful as 2X QUAD CORE setup.

http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=125691


thanks to BEYOND 3D and PSU

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Unlike normal processors a Cell do do full fledged raytracing at 720p @ 30fps

IN RAYTRACING a CELL is 130 x as FASTER as XENON /any duel core processor available today

VIDEO :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLte5f34ya8

VIDEO :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-R4bUZIQw

****JALWA of FULL FLEDGED RAYTRACING

a CELL beats 8800 GTX in RAYTRACING by 5:1

http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/?p=187

http://www.power.org/swsummit/download/SW_Summit_PS3_Experience_Joaquin.pdf


http://graphics.cs.uni-sb.de/~benthin/cellrt06.pdf


http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/2006/06/19/ray-tracing-receiving-new-focus/


http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-246X.1995.tb06861.x********************************************************

NOW lets head to GPU.

there has been common misconception all around that RSX is weaker than XENOS which is utter BS

Lets take down the benchmarks of the 2

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PS3 can do 51 billion dot products per second

XENOS can do 33 billion dot products per second

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6125087/index.html?type=tech

NOTE :--although RSX is 7800gtx/7900gtx based ..Its architecture has been tweaked later by NIVIDIA

Proof:-

7800gtx has 24 pixel shaders .
RSX has 28 pixel shaders . 24 of them are active and 4 are partially disabled at the moment


XENOS on the other hand is R420 based.

Here is anandtech's take on XENOS

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=7

The unified shader thing is a hoax and unlike the dedicated shaders of RSX xenos' unified pipelines are indeed very weak


RSX has a texel filrate of 13.2 g/s
XENOS has a texel filrate of 8g/s

RSX can do 136 shader ops per second
XENOS can do 96 shader ops per second

RSX has 32 dedicted pixel shaders and 8 vertex shaders
XENOS has 48 unified shaders

RSX has a clock freqency of 550 HZ
XENOS has a clock frequency of 500MHZ


RSX is DX 9 compatible but supports all future revisions of OPEN GL
XENOS supports DX 9 C+ and supports OPEN GL till 2.0 ONLY

RSX has a diameter of 258mm^2 and is a 90nm chip
7900gtx has a diamter of 196mm^2 and is also a 90nm chip
Xenos has a diameter of 160mm^2 for the mother die and 100mm^2 for the daughter die

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=65446

PS3 has a total bandwidth of 22g/s + 28g/s ( video + system)
XENOS has a total bandwidth of 22g/s (unified).the edram bandwidth of 256g/s is irrelevant at resolutions above 720p.

even at lower resolutions it makes up for the lack of 360s total bandwidth . However this theory fails in games which reqires intrinsic data processing eg UT3 and DEAD RISING


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CONCLUSION:_ BY all means a CELL thx to EDGE and iRT is a minimum of 10x as powerful as the XENON. However the margin shoots up in some applications as revealed by the benchmarks.

The CELL excels in anything that requires heavy processing. A QUAD CORE to some extent can do those calculations at a much slower speed . However the XENON cant do any of the HEAVY INTRINSIC PROCESSING as in PROCEDUAL SYNTHESIS of PROFX (see above)

The RSX is also significantly more powerful than XENOS but not as efficient at the moment . BUT things would change just like the way it had after the inclusion of EDGE,iRT and RAPIDMIND SDK for PS3.


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The RAPIDMIND SDK is just a tweaked version of SDK that is normally used with supercomputers.

[url]https://developer.rapidmind.net/hidden/news/2007/rapidmind-and-terra-soft-partner-to-unleash-playstationae-3-for-linux-developers[/url]

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FINAL WORDS:- BY all means a CELL is wayy more powerful than not just XENON but naything available in the market today.
RSX is also more powerful than XENOS but we will have to wait a little more to see the JALWA
games like LAIR do consolidate this claim even as of today.

nasim6455d ago (Edited 6454d ago )

The post contains just valid bechmarks and nothing else

@socom nick

HS makes all your x360games look like wii games.

a single dragon in LAIR has more poly than an entire scene in GEARS.

KZ2 looks milesssssssssssssssssssss better than Gears . The weapon in KZ2 has more /better textures than all character model in GEARS

UT3 looks milessss better than Gears/mass effect. as for mass effect it has like 10k poly per environment -- a real shame.

UT3 is upgraded version of GEARS but it looks nowhere near HS,UNCHARTED,RATCHET , HAZE, KZ2,MHS4 and FF13.

get a life BOT and play cartoon halo 3 at 640 p

Bazookajoe_836455d ago

it will be intresting to see how the games that will come in the end of 2008 will look like.

teto836455d ago

"All this to show that PS3 is the most powerful gaming machine ever created?We already know!" -Xbox360 owners.
LOL

socomnick6455d ago

Funny thing is no game currently out on the ps3 or coming out on the ps3 shows it. Gears of war still looks better than killzone 2 , uncharted, mgs 4 and ff13. Gears of war only uses a fraction of the xbox 360s power.
Mass effect has better graphics than gears of war .

SabreMan6455d ago (Edited 6455d ago )

keep telling yourself that, one day you might take the blinkers off and see things a little differently, until then enjoy your games but remember you will have to leave the house one day and get back to reality with the rest of us

EDIT

Gears of War looks stunning thats not in debate, however your claims are nothing but blind guesswork, every game you list from the previews etc that are available for all to see look better than your claim.
As for games currently available i cannot offer anything to compare as nothing like GOW is currently available.

However purely as a game Heavenly Sword is graphically the best game i have ever played so you have your answer, as for how much power the 360 uses to produce GOW i have no clue neither do you so again you offer nothing but Blind guesswork.
I honestly doubt in a years time if the 360 will be able to keep up with the ps3 in graphical terms, for it's first 10 months comparable to the 360 first ten months graphically the ps3 has offered better visuals than the 360.

time will tell i have no crystal ball

socomnick6455d ago

Sabre name a game that looks better than gears of war or mass effect that is on the ps3.I know there are some very nice looking games on the ps3 but non look better than the aforementioned games.

Synex6454d ago

Didn't epic themselves state that UT3 will look better than Gears? We all know gears looked great (You xbots keep cramming that down our throats), but gears is way in the past now (a year is a long time with this stuff) and it's time to make room for the new stuff.

socomnick6454d ago

Well have to wait for ut 3 to come out dont we . But for now Gears of War is the Graphics king Bar none.

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ELite_Ghost6455d ago

haha gears of war only has good character models, the rest pretty much sucks, and do you wonder why there online is only 8 players??

Gondee6454d ago

no i dont, its the perfect balance for this game. Nothing more, nothing less.

There all good. id have to say the locust ones look better though.

that looks like somthing i read some where else. copy and paste?

And this has been posted before

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jznrpg17h ago

If the full game isn’t on disc it’s not any different than a downloaded code.

Vits8h ago

Yep, and that’s been the case for Xbox for at least a decade now.
No doubt they alienated their physical media fans, but that happened way back with the Xbox One. What they’re alienating now are just the box collectors.

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darthv7216h ago

Speaking for myself... I pretty much stopped buying physical. Unless its some cool collector edition. I find it easier to just buy from the respective eshop.... if its not on a rental service that is.

ZeekQuattro14h ago

Going into the 7th gen I was staunchly against the idea of digital game. Even the few PC games I played were physical. It wasn't until digital only games starting catching my eye that I changed my mind. Now I buy mostly digital these days out of convenience but also because I have too many phyical games. SNES, GG, GB, GBA, N64, Dreamcast, DS, 3DS, GCN, Wii, Wii U, PS1-5 and Switch. That's hoarders level of gaming right there. 🤣

Anyway digital sales in several parts of the world, including here in the US have been on the rise. Factor in the Series S being the go two model for Xbox owners it just makes sense for Microsoft to scale back in regards to physical media. That and Xbox published games stay high on PSN. 😆

TheColbertinator12h ago

Unfortunate really since I am an avid collector of physical on Nintendo consoles and I bought Black Ops 6 on disc.

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MaximusPrime_6h ago

On the other hand, FF XVI sold more than usual on PS5

Obscure_Observer3h ago

Day One Release vs One year later release with zero marketing to build excitement/hype.

Both Xbox and SE should know better.

MajorLazer2h ago

Also fewer than half the consoles sold compared to the PS5 so much smaller customer base.

lodossrage2h ago

I get that the game was older.

But so were Sea of Thieves and Forza Horizon when they came to playstation and those made it into the top download lists for awhile. So the coming a year later excuse doesn't really fly anymore.

Scissorman1h ago

look at stellar blade on PC. over a year later and it's already sold over a million copies. this has nothing to do with marketing or hype. the xbox audience, broadly speaking, just doesn't purchase games.

ravens521h ago

Excuses lol. Everyone already knew this would be the case. 90% of Xbox players don't buy games.

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CrashMania6h ago

If it ain't on gamepass, they ain't interested.

Great job MS for training most of your player base to not want to actually buy games, maybe SE will realise releasing FF on xbox isn't somehow going to help them match their exaggerated sales targets. Hopefully remake fairs better, probably will on Switch 2 at least.

Lightning7740m ago

You realize it got most of its sales on PS5 right? Not even the PC version did all that well. One platform will take most of the sales as it had moat of the hype.

Vits4h ago

No game, especially a AAA one, deserves strong sales after taking years to arrive on a platform and still asking the same price as everywhere else. You can’t just ignore a platform for that long and then expect people to be excited by the release. That cycle came and went already, there is no hype for it anymore.

Either you're all in from the start or you're not. This lazy, bare-minimum approach of tossing out a late port and calling it a day shouldn't be rewarded. If you're not willing to respect the platform, don't bother showing up at all.

crazyCoconuts3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

But the formerly exclusive Xbox games like Forza Horizon enjoyed great sales on PS even after years past their initial release.
Your references to deserving and "shouldn't be rewarded" implies that gamers are buying games based on some moral platitude that simply doesn't exist in practice.
Gamers buy games because they want to play them.

Vits3h ago

Nah, it implies how it should be. If gamers weren't the dumbass consumer class around, being played like freaking dumbass because they can't get over the hype for a freaking second and think if that purchase even make sense.

Chevalier3h ago

This is EXACTLY why they wouldn't and shouldn't bother im the first place. I can't remember which FF game launched on Xbox with the Switch and Playstation version and ONLY did 4% sales on Xbox. So lets not pretend these sales would have been better because if you believe that you are absolutely delusional

Vits3h ago

"Either you're all in from the start or you're not. This lazy, bare-minimum approach of tossing out a late port and calling it a day shouldn't be rewarded. If you're not willing to respect the platform, don't bother showing up at all."

Chevalier3h ago

Weird. How come you don't say the same about Xbox studio games that show up some YEARS/DECADES later as well?

Sea of Thieves
Grounded
Forza Horizon 5
Pentiment
Hi Fi Rush
Gears of War

Mostly at full price and selling well. Oh right doesn't fit your BS narrative

andy852h ago(Edited 2h ago)

In fairness they didnt. This was 16, 15 released on Xbox day one.

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Relientk774h ago

Continual proof Xbox gamers don't buy JRPGs. Shocker

Chevalier3h ago

Wait but I was told by Xbox fans that they support FF and these franchises? Weird. Shocked

PapaBop3h ago

Honestly, if you're a JRPG fan, you're going to own a PS5, Switch or PC. Only benefit of owning an Xbox for JRPGs is all the money you save by not having any games to spend it on.

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