Fable 2 ultimate guide - Everything we know and developers confirm

People have doubted those Fable 2 pics i posted were even running on 360, with that kind of visibility and detail.

So, here is final confirmation that all we see are indeed running on 360 in full playable form !!!!

http://community.lionhead.com/forums/thread/2787514.aspx


The Bag..

Everything else of the game you have seen coming from the events this year, GDC, E3, etc, [B]and the dev diaries is in-game on the 360[/B]

They were running on a 360. You have been told this by two developers (including myself) already
in this thread so stop asking the same question over again and pay attention to the replies.

[B]Again, read my reply in the thread. Everything in the dev diaries EVERYTHING is in game running on the 360 and when I say everything in the dev diaries that includes the bit you're talking about and have posted pictures of. [/B]

And here is the VAST city and forest, running on 360, in their really early form !!!






Here you see the detail in each of these houses








Now to confirmation, that those graphics are FAR from final, or even close to that

http://community.lionhead.com/forums/thread/2633358.aspx


Episode 1 - Emotions in Action Games
Date released: 24th May 2007

http://community.lionhead.com/forums/thread/2633358.aspx
People suggest Fable 2 graphics from the new vid will get downgraded ...

as happened with first Fable videos/pics, is there any truth to that ? I mean do those run at good frame rates and can later support AI - NPC's as they are ? I would love a devleop comment, it just look TOO GOOD to be true !!

[B]Gradius1 05-24-2007, 23:01

They won't get worse. They'll get much, much better. We are already starting to see that now internally. [/B]
Gradius1
[B]Apart from all the engine-side stuff yet to go in, not one artist has even touched any region when it comes to prettying, so imagine what it will look like once they get hold of them. [/B]

The art pass will encompass such things as lighting, fogging, environment themes, particles, placement
and blending of foliage, general natural and man-made clutter and so on.


http://community.lionhead.com/forums/thread/2742868.aspx
Gradius1 07-13-2007, 4:17
[B]We are a year or so from completion, and still working on the engine and so forth. [/B]Also, more importantly, not ONE artist has touched any region yet, including the test levels we have shown. Imagine what you have seen so far, and add in environment themes, proper foliage with blending, clutter, water, particles, local lights, all assets using the engine features correctly, weather, cloth and so on....and lovingly prettied by the art team.


http://community.lionhead.com/forums/2/2742868/ShowThread.aspx

Gradius1 08-01-2007, 22:34

[B]Rum is spot on. There are moments when I run around the levels make me stop and gawp in wonder at the amazing lighting and lovely foliage etc. And none of it has been touched by an artist yet, which makes me get really excited (and impatient with the slow mofo's) ;-) ps - and even the lighting in a whiteboxed dungeon looks fantastic. Ooooh! [/B]


http://community.lionhead.com/forums/3/2784226/ShowThread.aspx

Gradius1 07-31-2007, 9:34

I don't see how F2 looks bad when not one artist has prettied any level yet, and we don't have all our engine bells and whistles running in the E3 build. Most games at this stage look much ropier. Year...to...go.


http://community.lionhead.com/forums/thread/2766584.aspx

Re: Will textures get better in the game ?

Gradius1 08-21-2007, 18:59

[B]No the textures won't get better. In fact, we are retro fitting them as we try and recreate the original Asteroids in look.[/B]


Nice Fable 1 pics

http://community.lionhead.com/forums/5/2192702/ShowThread.aspx

Actually no, nothing on those pics is in Fable in any way or form, from tree, undergrowth, to level design and colors.
And seeing those pics, frankly i think that Fable 2 could NOT IN ANY way look better than those.

Gradius1
Wrong. Badly wrong.


http://community.lionhead.com/forums/thread/2525201.aspx

Gradius1 03-09-2007, 0:23

It's a shame the video didn't turn to the right when showing the forest hut, as there was a large field of nothing but poppies and bluebells. Someone here may have rather liked to see that...

Gradius1 03-09-2007, 1:02

[B]The forest will only look much prettier in the end. Once proper lighting, local lights, particles, environment themes, skymap etc have gone in, and the artists properly prettied it, then that forest will look fantastic[/B].
[B]Same goes for Bowerstone. Just imagine that with dirtier streets, puddles, NPC's, cloth, more clutter and so on. [/B]

Well, seeing as that forest was prettied up by me ages ago, I would hope so! My gardening skills are no match for our green-fingered artists!


Sam 03-09-2007, 5:17
[B]Yes everything, from the Dog Test Level to the ingame Fly Through; they are all ingame, 100%,
nothing fishy about it, that was the real stuff. As Peter said, it's nowhere near finished. [/B]

http://community.lionhead.com/blogs/fable_2_development/archive/2007/08/31/2769402.aspx

[B]It’s nowhere near finished. Think about that for a second. It is not finished. So yes, the game will look at least a gazillion times better than anything you’ve seen of Fable 2 so far. [/B]Anyone doubting that for a split second deserves a kick in the butt. Compared to some other games, Fable 2 is graphically going to be a Masterpiece.
[B]We are talking about vast and expansive outdoor locations, with added night and day cycle with realistic lighting effects that dynamically change the environment around you. There will be uber-detailed textures and lighting on up to fifty character models on screen, all of which will cast a dynamic shadow of themselves on that same environment and the same goes for any object in the world. There is a physics engine, a simulation engine and about a thousand years of knowledge of things that I’m not even trying to understand.[/B] According to our water-expert Fran “[B]we are going to kick Bioshock’s water!” [/B]He gets a little excited sometimes; Italian passion! But the game will look Great.



Here is some new art from video diary 2

Including a fairy dragon !!!! :) Hope this one makes it in, imagine walking the forest, and come face to face to a huge creature like that

Hope they do not make it hostile, unless you attack it too !!!






Here is more cool art :)






And here is the full size of the city and the castle from video diary 1 (scroll right :)



Now, i suspect it would take years to buy ALL those houses, and the castle, becoming king :)

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Peter Molyneux Talks Fable 2 at GDC London
Wants his game better than Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect.
By 1UP Staff, 10/06/2006

Thanks to 1UP contributor Daniel Boutros for submitting this story
Today at GDC London, held in BAFTA's Picadilly HQ, Peter Molyneux, one of the industry's most celebrated visionaries spoke about his thoughts on Next Gen entertainment, within the context of experiments in developing concepts for Fable 2.

Molyneux began by sharing his excitement about games like Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect and Alan Wake and followed with stating his team have to not just think about how Fable 2 will stand out above the crowd made up of these games, but also be push harder.

First, Peter recalled the team's core goal: "Fable 2 is a Role Playing Game first and foremost". He then went on to detail a handful of Fable 2's key facets, but made it known that these were not final concepts and the final and most impressive unique feature would not be revealed today...

[B] 'Dynamic Environments'[/B]
When playing RPGs, the feeling is "I don't seem to make a difference to the world."

In Fable, the story is set over the period of a lifetime. Peter Molyneux said that this was both frustrating to design for and yet, allows freedom to do things others can't do. A concept shot from Fable 2 was revealed - a beautifully painted campfire in the woods. Brightwood. When you are a teen in Fable 2, it's a spooky place inspired by Murkwood in LOTR.

The example detailed here was that in this location, you discover a Gypsy camp. If your character goes in and trades and is nice to everyone, you can do a quest to help the gypsies by clearing out woods of enemies called 'Hobbs'. However, if your character comes back in ten years, the camp will have changed into houses. Ten years further on, it's a little village. Ten years further, the village is a town!

But here's the twist; if you initially went into the camp and slaughtered everyone, the town wouldn't exist and that's an interesting thing for the player to experience, as everyone is likely to experience a different environment from one another.

[B]'Buying Things'[/B]
Peter asks, "Why is it you can only buy swords and clothes? Why can't you buy a house? Or a shop and be a shopkeeper? Why not a whole street? Or a whole city? Or the nearby castle and be Lord of the castle? Why not buy a dungeon?"

Everything that you see in Fable 2 is buyable and when you buy it, you are Lord of the manor / Owner of the dungeon. It adds to your character as you have a feeling of wealth and ownership. It's a new mechanic; money. It can buy you security, power and pretty much anything else.

How does this enhance the experience? Ownership is empowering. It allows the player to 'unlock' content, and it adds to the simulation element.

Regarding the content unlocking, if you own a castle, there will be specific quests relating to owning that castle. "Sire, there are thieves stealing wine from the cellars!" If you own a cathedral, you get different quests - kill the priest or protect him - and so on...

What this also gives you is that when you beat the game, you haven't finished it as there's still content to be found and played through. This was a feature present in the original Fable (if you played through the evil ending and got the big sword and waited out the end credits), but the fact Lionhead is openly aware of it means that perhaps we'll get more bang for the buck this time round.

[B]'How To Make The Character Feel Engaged'[/B]
Lionhead wanted this for Fable but now it's in Fable 2. You can play as either man or woman and your character will 'morph' to display their state more accurately. As for the story it will differ very slightly with each sex.

Lionhead also wants to introduce player to the notion of 'unconditional love'. Peter says, "I've played plenty of games, but I don't feel appreciated when I do something of worth. For example, in Final Fantasy, you get 1000 experience for accomplishing something but then they immediately say 'go do this'. At least they could say thank you!? You feel underappreciated and this needs to change."

One of the first characters in the game is someone who gives you unconditional love. The first scene is a bird flying through a forest, through a city, through a town... then camera follows the bird to the highest turret in Bowerstone. At that point, the bird takes a shit. The camera follows the shit and it lands on your character's head. And then you meet your character's sister who's standing next to you. And that character is the first of many who will give you the feeling of being appreciated.

Also, Lionhead has expanded on the whole relationships issue i.e., getting married. For example you can choose to have unprotected sex, get your girlfriend pregnant (she morphs appropriately) and have kids. Lionhead considered a labour mini-game, but the force feedback wasn't good enough (the women on the team said it wasn't like labour at all), so the labour mini-game was scrapped. However, you can have kids and they too, will give you unconditional love.

When those doors open, you have a magical moment... you come back from a quest and your kid sprints out and hugs you gushing how he heard that you slaughtered that dragon and you're brilliant. Peter Molyneux again states, "That's what I want from the player - making you feel like you're great. Making you feel appreciated."

As for your family, they can live anywhere, as you can buy any house. To egg you on to be more ambitious, your wife is never satisfied. She's the one always encouraging you on to get more, bigger. "We should live in that castle", or "let's buy that bigger house over there", for example. You don't have to listen to her, but if the lady in question is as status-driven as she sounds in this specific example, she may not stay around for very long unless you up your fame or follow her suggestions.

Also, you can be good or evil as per Fable and if you're evil, when your kid sees you at the end of the day, he'll say things like, 'look at these cool tattoos and who I beat up at school!' to further add to your character, as your family is an expression of you.

On top of this, Fable 2, has expanded on good and evil by developing kindness and cruelty as concepts. The player can torment humans psychologically. Example: you are responsible for getting the money in the family household. If you're poor, your kid will run out and say, "dad, it's great to see you. but we're soooo hungry". And you can pull out an apple pie and eat it in front of your son. And he'll be all, "oh but daddy& can't we have a little bit?" Luckily, your kids will always love you, but also night that your wife won't.

Another thing the original Fable was criticized on was the total gameplay time. Some felt Fable was too long and beat it in 50 hours, some felt too short and finished it in 10, so Lionhead has addressed that using money...

Those who rush through the game will be poor, yet famous heroes as you get barely any money for acts of heroism. Others who take time, will be rich. If you take the time to do many quests, buy things that earn you money and so on, you earn more money and thus become richer. However, rushing through will only get your fame and celebrity, which isn't a bad or good thing, it just is. The game doesn't want to punish you for doing less than someone else, but you will be rewarded for doing more.

[B]The Story[/B]
In short the story is focuses on four core concepts; the story arc, involving what the player has touched, in the game, having a really powerful opponent, and allowing for player choice.

In regards to story arc, the team looked at Joseph Campbell's much referenced and revered, 'The Hero's Journey'. The Hero's Journey talks of a structure that many common stories follow, such as Star Wars, Lord of the Rings and many other celebrated stories we know and love today. In many stories, including Fable, it's broken up in the following way:

[B]Introduce the hero [/B]
See the reason behind why he needs to be hero
Introduce the bad guy / antagonist and why he's there
Set them both up to have a short fight where the hero loses
Have hero power up
Set them up to have a big confrontation
Have the hero win
In Fable 2, the team has focused on making the bad guy unspeakably bad. Peter says, "We want the player to despise him. I warn you however, if you have a family, don't expect them to last very long unless you be very aware of looking after them. As for the main story, we have a main thread, but unbeknown to you, we'll be picking things up and adding them into the story thread based on your personal journey.

For example, in my story the baddie may have kidnapped your kid, but in your story, he may not have kidnapped him."

[B]Combat[/B]
Another big thing Lionhead is experimenting with in Fable 2. Combat in most games presently is repetitive, focused on the unblended and is routed in past design decisions. Combat in games should be dramatic, varied and innovational.

Fable's combat was accessible, but repetitive. It was twitchy and had many buttons, but if you swing a sword, it passes through objects. So the team looked at:

1. The reality of combat (see video when I figure out how to get it off the camera)
2. The location of where the player is.
3. A single corridor opening out to larger space.
When you're fighting down a corridor, you haven't got wide sword blows at your disposal as your sword would get stuck in the wall. Instead, you just have different moves, not different buttons. So now, you're thinking about how your space relates to your combat, as opposed to your swing. Peter then suggested, rather than detailed that a player may thrust a sword like a fencer in a corridor, but in a large open-space, swing their blade like a samurai. Of course, it's worth remembering that these concepts are experimental rather than final. Molyneux detailed the experimental concept using this example, "In this new context where the space auto-changes your swing, we had a moment where players rushed toward you in a certain environment, and it really made a difference to how you felt. Suddenly, combat gained a whole new depth."

"We then looked at the concept of, "What about allies and other opponents?" It's not only where you are, where you're fighting from; it's also who you're fighting with and where they are. One of your guys who's left handed when you're right handed will compliment you well if you fight to his right side, but otherwise, a right hander next to your left hand will be limited in his swing, and it adds another layer of depth, though there is nothing to show of this feature today."

Interesting concepts to say the least. He also went on to talk of how weapons like 'daggers' would no longer be useless, as the size would make them useful for narrow environments thus suggesting that the shape and size of an object would finally gain some relevance in a combat, beyond the previously relied upon size and power properties we're so accustomed to.

[B]Graphical User Interface[/B]
One more thing Peter talked about was the removal of GUI. Fable 2 is looking at the presently well-relied-upon GUI system and wants to be rid of it. Fight Night was cited as an inspiration.

Lionhead looked at the concepts of no hit points meter, no stamina bar and no tutorial. The team then figured that the best philosophy was to put as much of the GUI in the world as possible and put part of the GUI into where the player looks.

Molyneux added, "There's no point in spending ages making a world look amazing if the player is always going to be referring to an onscreen map." Current thoughts are looking at putting anything presently relevant in your field of view, as opposed to on the corners of the screen.

Our verdict?
Overall, the talk was fascinating and showed Lionhead's genuine passion for innovating and creating engaging experiences for the player.

Fable 2 presently sounds like it's shaping up very nicely, but as with all things, it's probably best that we wait for the finished article before getting too excited, as many things in it do sound too good to be true. Meanwhile, we can only wonder what feature Molyneux was alluding to at the beginning. Could it be one of those shared features from the very under-wraps Demitri?


Here are some usefull links to videos - interviews

ALL best videos in one place
http://www.gamersyde.com/game_797_15116_1_en.html

Official site goodness
http://www.lionhead.com/diaries/
http://www.lionhead.com/fable2/concept.html
http://www.lionhead.com/fable2/links.html

Sam update blogs ... must read
http://community.lionhead.com/blogs/fable_2_development/archive/2007/08/31/2769402.aspx
http://www.lionhead.com/news/community42k7.html
http://www.lionhead.com/news/community32k7.html
http://www.lionhead.com/news/community12k7.htm
http://www.lionhead.com/news/community52k6.html
http://www.lionhead.com/news/community42k6510.html
http://www.lionhead.com/news/community32k6.html

Info on gameplay
http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-29174.aspx
Players can pick a male or female hero
Players can choose to have protected or unprotected sex (and yes, there are STDs)
Female heroes can get pregnant
Players can have children
The world responds to your "hero-ness"
Two new character morphs (besides Good/Evil): cruelty/kindness and wealth/poverty
Own every single piece of property
Players can become king




Here is great preview of the dog presentation

http://aigamedev.com/coverage/innovation-fable-2

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On the AI other than the dog

There’s a group mind for the villagers.
There will be about 1,000 unique non-player characters.
There are 20,000 lines of AI dialog recorded.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/14/todays-best-friendiest-video-fable-2-dog/

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/03/08/revolutionary-fable-2-feature-is-a-dog/


And now, why i am hyped for this game like no other

What makes me hype it, is that while Fable 1 failed in many areas, was a blast to play, so they have mastered combat already, had great AI and some of the most lively NPC's i have ever seen, and the most amazing art i have ever seen

Also so many features were in, but went unoticed, because of presentation

What i mean, in Fable 1 you could buy a whole town's houses, kill everyone etc, the bad was that those had no impact, you never felt special doing them

In Fable 2, as decribed, this is solved, new places you buy ad quests, riches and social status, that now is another parameter, other than good/evil, plus buying castles and 100 house towns is better than buying a small village house in Fable 1 by far ...

Same for the changing world, you could indeed free roads for merchants, etc and they would travel to otherplaces etc, but again the impact factor was small

I bet now that they know how Fable was received, and have all those systems ready, they can focus on making them INTERESTING and with IMPACT

All in all, Fable 1 was the first Lionhead attempt at RPG's, on the VASTLY inferior xbox hardware, with time constraints, with minimal knowledge of RPG making, and they still managed to make some things perfect, like combat, art, and insert much stuff that just went unnoticed and felt gimmick

But i see Fable 1 as the base of one of the most stunning coming games, they seem that now they get all those ideas and make them work and be really important, and put them in that game, with some of the most amazing next gen graphics i have seen