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My official response to Torrence Davis's blog posts.

So I have been seeing this controversy involving two blogs, the second trying to further detail the first, about this whole issue with Grand Theft Auto IV's (GTA4) downloadable content (DLC). According the the blog on The Bit Bag (has anyone heard of this blog before?), he was at the Microsoft "Blogger Breakfast" which was held at the beginning of the GDC 2008 show. I previously didn't know that they did such a thing, and there was no prior mention of this ever taking place on sites such as or (you know, more creditable sites). One of their claims is about the GTA4's DLC being all Microsoft's. As we all know, Microsoft paid 50 Mil for two exclusive mission packs. That wasn't what the first impression was, however. This was written with the notion (and intent?) of sounding like it held exclusives to ALL DLC material (including a single car you might want to download for the game) now and forever. This would be a crushing blow to the PS3...if it were true. Apparently, it was far from it, even though the people responding suddenly took it as truth.

However, one should only look between the lines of the bullet points and the "clarification" afterwards to see that the rumor wasn't just killed, it was aborted before it was even born.

For one, there was no mention that this announcement was even given at the banquet (can we officially call this blogger breakfast a banquet?). All that was given officially was a look at the first of the two exclusive mission pack they would get. Now, I'm not saying this was a bad move by Rockstar. Microsoft needed something extra since, for one, the medium the 360 uses, a dual layer DVD, holds so much LESS than the PS3 medium (the Blu Ray disc). I don't mind that at all (and before anyone puts a fanboy label on me, I own Fable for the PC, am still considering getting a 360, and defended Microsoft over the FOX News issue with Mass Effect). Since the Blu Ray disc can hold up to 50 GB, it may actually be possible that the PS3 version may already HAVE the content that the 360 players will receive via the exclusive packs (for all we know, as Rockstar seems to be hush hush about any details). This and that the GTA franchise has always been made with the PS specs and controller in mind. Fair trade off, maybe: Exclusive content, or possibility of a familiar control configuration layout?

However, what I WOULD have a problem with is anyone using backdoor methods like what Davis' blog suggested. For one, that would've screamed "anti-trust suit" for Sony to use against both Rockstar and Microsoft. Backdoor method can be defined as any method that is used "behind the scenes" and without knowledge in order to gain an upper hand without anyone else being known about it. Reason it would be a backdoor: Not a single gaming news outlet, besides Davis' blog and this site, mentioned the bullet points. Hell, no one outside the blogsphere had even hinted about the banquet happening. Also, many other media outlets just about confirmed that both platforms would receive the DLC material sans the exclusive mission packs. To make matters even more comfortable, this site was linking to at least 4 or 5 stories that picked up an unconfirmed rumor, one that has not been denied by Rockstar, that more packs are coming that won't be exclusive by a longshot, and could still turn out to be PS3 exclusive. Hell, even the two exclusive packs were hinted as being timed exclusives (which means after a period that could take up to six months, Microsoft will lose the exclusive rights and then Rockstar is free from that contract), and if the streak of false claims like that exclusive multiplayer thing comes from Microsoft, then Rockstar will be thinking twice before long about taking that money (assuming they wouldn't be already). Also, at this point when we still are well aware of all other DLC material being avaliable for both platforms, if Rockstar went about sealing everything ELSE as exclusive to Microsoft, that would also endanger Rockstar to bait and switch (since I could see many people committing to a certain system to reserve the game on), which is also illegal. Rockstar, I'm sure, is too smart to put themselves in that position.

Also, if you don't think DLC matters, just look at the amount of DLC material that Rock Band and the Guitar Hero series gets, and how many people pay for and download those (I currently have the PS3 and the Wii, in case you're wondering). Basically, DLC DOES matter, and it will to GTA as much as it has for those two games.

All that aside, what about the other big claim, that the content will expand on the GTA4 universe the same way the spinoff games did for GTA3 (Vice City and San Andreas). THAT would be a stretch. Again, each pack was to be adding about 10 hours of additional gameplay, but a expansion such as that would add, lets say, 50 hours and take MUCH more manpower than anyone at Rockstar could have to employ, let alone know how much space that would take on one's hard drive. Of course, this claim got really interesting in the "clarification", and this claim is what untimely aborted the unborn rumor, but more on that in a minute.

Anyone who has followed the other game publications will know that the other bullet points Davis tells us (all except the GTA ones, of course) can be easily refuted by simple research, or could be found in the same way. The Live issues? Not only did Gamepro cover that, but also quoted a MS exec as saying that manpower was also a key reason for that. About the movie issue? They rushed rather quickly to stop people from thinking that the HD-DVD demise wouldn't hurt the 360, and despite MS denying that it would be coming, G4's X-Play as early as yesterday reported that the rumor of a Blu Ray add on was coming in May. How about that shortage being the reason why the 360 didn't sell well? Okay, I could give him that one, but then again, what was the reason for the PS3 outselling the 360 in January? What excuse would that be, and wouldn't that make the holiday season shortage any less than an untrue excuse? The issue with the "red ring of death"? SquareTrade recently reported that 16.4% of all Xboxes will fail, which is more than what Microsoft would like you to know about. While this may scream fanboyish to bring up these shortcomings, this just proves that this really wasn't thought through. Why would Microsoft say things that they know anyone with a computer with enough common sense to find out what is really going on can find a contrary report on? As far as the names are concerned, while they aren't really household names, they aren't really that top secret, either. In fact, if you know anything about business, the main guys will usually be in the press or make sure everyone knows who they are often. All Davis had to do was to throw names in there to make sure people believed him. "Hey, I said these people said it, so it must be true." Sure, whatever you say?

However, as mentioned, if it was just that, then maybe he could get away with this with a small blemish on his record. If he would've just went and say that he was wrong, he was never at that breakfast and he made the story up, maybe we could've forgave him for the mishap of judgment. But then he makes that "clarification" about that point I talked about earlier. You know, the one that claimed that these mission packs were going to be the size of the two games that proceeded GTA3? Well, according to him, he was misquoted. Yeah, he admitted that it was misleading (only if he realized how much). but then really went off the deep end. He points out that he put "2 and 2 together" (which would at this point just mean that he has 4), and came up with some "facts and opinions". I'll post the "facts" straight from the blog, since it might make more sense as to WHY this just murdered any credibility that Davis had left if I do it that way:

  • Rockstar has announced that the 360 version will be the definitive version
  • Microsoft said at the breakfast that no other platform will get this DLC. It’s exclusive to them and to them only. From what was said, and Brian Crecente even questioned it, Playstation 3 won’t be getting any additional content for GTAIV. This could mean that they get it later or they get completely different content. We don’t know at this time. 
  • Microsoft paid $50 million for the content. If you haven’t been in a coma you should know that entire games have been developed for less than $50 million dollars. If you think that the $50 million is just for some new cars, characters and ice cream truck side missions, you are horribly mistaken.
So, did you understand all that? Neither did I.

Basically, he told us that the PS3 wouldn't be getting the exclusive content (oh, wait, he actually echoed the first claim. You know, the one that GOT EVERYONE IN AN UPROAR TO BEGIN WITH? Yeah, it wasn't the size of the content that was the issue, but rather than Microsoft had exclusivity to ALL DLC material, that got to many people, and he completely ignored that). However, he THEN, in the very next sentence, said that the PS3 might get the content down the road. So wait, he just said in the sentence before that only the 360 would ever get any DLC content. Now, I'm not even going to TRY to explain his opinions, because that will just lose EVERYONE! Oh, and that claim that Rockstar made about the "definitive version"? That was last year, and a year in gaming is a LONG time.

By the way, since Davis is the definitive answer guy (since, you know, he was the only one to ever receive this info to begin with), can he tell us what the content is? Of course not, even know if he knows all this insider info, they might as well have explained this to him, too. Oh, am I not mistaken into Microsoft showing off "episode 1" at their keynote at the GDC? Wouldn't that tell him something anyway? He doesn't know when he was obviously THERE?

Where this pretty much fails at is that he was caught in a huge lie. He had this elaborate scheme to make us believe that he was telling the truth. Sure, some people bought into it. But when someone uncovered a UK gaming magazine page telling us that both systems would receive DLC material for GTA4, he got caught. He first backpeddled and said he was misquoted (he wasn't), and said the original was with notes in it (from what I saw in the first post Davis made, it was exactly as it appeared on N4G, no notes or nothing misquoted or taken out of context). Then he switched things around again, now saying he wasn't clear last time (I thought he said he was misquoted), and then just pushed out something that just left all of us holding the bag. It left us wondering what lie did he really want us to believe.

In reality, we are left with the knowledge that he was caught with his hand in the jar, and he couldn't get it out, so he just decided to stick the arm in, too. He dug the hole deeper, and now no one should believe him. In truth, both the PS3 and the 360 will receive DLC material for GTA4 (and remember, we still have those rumors from more creditable sources than Davis that Rockstar will be making other mission packs that aren't exclusive (or even PS3 exclusive) and that Microsoft really should stop running their mouths before saying something that will really hurt them). We should relax now, and we should also think twice before believing anything else that Torrence Davis tells us, because he has proven that he no longer belongs on the public gaming stage.

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heyheyhey4040d ago

damn it seems you have wrote some interesting stuff, but i really can't be arsed to read right now

but you were basically suggesting that a) the PS3 will get some DLC too b) the DLC M$ paid for is likely to be timed exclusive and c) the PS3 might get some exclusive DLC of it's own

is that basically what your saying? sorry if im talking complete crap, i didn't really read it properly

JD_Shadow4040d ago

That is alright. I am known, even in my own family, to get really talkative at times.

But you have it right. The most recent issue of GamesMaster all but confirmed the existence of both systems having DLC, a Rockstar rep hinted at the two episodes being timed several times, and yeah, there have been rumors that confirms that third point.

But there was another issue to be had here. That is that the BitBag article sounded SO believable, and SO concrete that many people responded to it as truth. Now, if there is ANY chance that Microsoft DID say these things, then they really need to get their facts straight (and they have a LARGE history of running their mouths about the 360 without really thinking about the backlash or the facts being straight). But I doubt that they were there, and they really got their hole dug and tried to get out of it with the shovel they dug themselves in to begin with.

But yeah, you got some of the main points. :)

tordavis4040d ago (Edited 4040d ago )

Look at the pics I posted on I'm at the far left next to Chris Paladino. There was only like 3 pics with me in them because I was in front of the camera man across from John Schappert. Check Gamerscores blog at

Now again to clear this up, when I wrote those bullets, they were just bullets. I pointed out things that were said during the breakfast and added my own comments. I bulleted my comments too, which made it confusing. This is why it got out of hand and yes, I was misquoted. Someone posted an article on n4g that said "Microsoft says the content will be as big as GTA VC and SA" That is what I said when commenting about the DLC. During the breakfast, Brian Crecente commented on what everyone heard John Schappert say. He said that the DLC is exclusive to the 360 and then, Brian stopped blogging for a minute and asked, "So wait, does this mean that there won't be any DLC on PS3?" He never got a definitive answer, but I took what I heard and posted it as a bullet. I also posted that PS3 may get the content in a year cuz who really knows what this $50mil deal is all about.

I never said the content would be as big as GTA VC/SA but I said it would be like GTA VC/SA in the sense that they will be expansions using the GTAIV engine. They could be smaller towns with new characters and new stories. Again, it's only speculation at this time. The only thing that was actually said by Microsoft was that the DLC was exclusive to the 360.

You mention that no other blogs or major sites posted about it. That's because of all the press that was invited, only a few of them actually commented on the breakfast.

So there you have it! I don't want to spread false news or rumors. I only post rumors if I think there's some credibility to them. I posted an update to my bullets because it was the shot heard round the net and I wanted to make sure people got the truth. I can get away with speculation because that's all it is. I don't want people thinking my speculation was MS fact.

Good day sir!

JD_Shadow4039d ago

1. You WEREN'T misquoted. Compare the bullet point you made on the Bluffbag article to the one posted here. THEY ARE THE SAME!! The guy posted it might've introduced it wrong, but yeah, your words were taken within context and word for word.
2. Brian Credente was in two separate realities at the same time? Because before you said he got an answer that I could call more than definitive, and now you're saying that he really didn't get one. Which one should I take your word on?
3. Did you NOT see the GamesMaster thing that was posted at MANY message boards (where it contradicted what you pointed out here about ALL DLC being MS exclusive) AND on my Darkpower: The Show on YouTube (where I bring up this blog and SHOW said page)? Or do you not care? Oh, and Sam Houser (who is a reliable source because, well, he IS Rockstar Games, as in, he FOUNDED the damn place), in EGM's April issue, basically called BS on anyone's claim that the 360 would be the only system would get DLC (this is what I would thing Mike was mentioning about being punked by Rockstar. I would doubt he'd say that about my blog seeing as how Houser called your, and MS's, bluff and that your two articles are so contrived and so error ridden that I thought I was reading a speech from President Bush).
4. Still nothing about the other points...RROD going down? Not caring about Blu-Ray? Try asking SquareTrade or whoever is posting those BR add on rumors about this.
5. No, no one else had these bullet points because no one were stupid enough to risk their rep on these, that is...
6. ...if we can believe you were there. Three pics of the back of someone's head doesn't really say a whole hell of a lot.

So, in're a craphead.

Mikey Mike4039d ago

Rockstar, or should I say punked!! Soon as a read your blog I told my buddies you were smoking serious crack!