Posted on an article about the PSN Eye Kung-Fu game:
"True it's not 3D mocap
but with this tech and the PSMove it can fully be just that.
The point I was making was that Natal claimed that placing the player into the game was not possible on any other system. Yet here it is on the PS3 before we have yet to see it done on Natal... other than the faked marketing vid."
Yeah, and the PS3 "Only Does Everything". Way to go with the double standard. No matter what Microsoft over-promises about their tech, Sony has already done the worst possible over-promise right there. Unless... you know... you took it with a grain of salt like any other rational person would...
You're not getting it. This is NOTHING like Natal. Not even close. To say this is "doing it before Natal" is an insult to the collective intelligence of gamers everywhere. This is like a kid asking for a Wii and their parents bringing home one of those knock-off, battery-powered plug-and-play games from China.
This tech in the Kung-fu game merely subtracts the background and extracts a 2D image of the player, then does some pretty lite analysis to determine poses and moves moving on a 2D plane, much the say way you would do DSP on a voice to extract words. What it does with that image is quite impressive... but not anything better than what's already been done with EyeToy and 360 games like In The Movies, also with the same 2D camera.
Natal is a 3D infrared camera that can natively detect depth. If it were a display technology instead of an input technology, it would be "holographic". If you've seen Minority Report, it's like the protagonist's home videos. The Move wand can only do 3D position because the size of the bulb on the wand is a known value. That's still a single point in space. On the other hand, Natal can generate an entire array these points in space, like a tessellated (wrinkled, draped) sheet covering the scene.
Move... which in MY personal opinion has much better gaming applications than Natal thanks to having an actual controller component... STILL does not natively sense depth the way Natal does. I'm more interested in and excited for the Move, but I can't stomach the flagrant inaccuracy with which Natal has been portrayed in these articles.
Watch this video from 1:17 and tell me if the Eye can do that: http://www.gametrailers.com...
The PlayStation brand CEO, Jim Ryan, said that the Bungie deal gives them way more value than the Activision acquisition.
Urm. Yeah if it was literally just Destiny vs Call of Duty but Activision is made up of a fair few other games especially on the Blizzard side of things
Then you have Crash Bandicoot and Spyro, two ex PlayStation mascots from the old days
I feel this is just standard bullshit PR talk since the UK approved the Activision deal
If Destiny was enough then why pursue so many GaaS games…
"If Destiny was enough then why pursue so many GaaS games…"
I mean, that's what he's getting at when he says the Bungie deal can give them more than spending $69b. It was never just about Destiny with it, they brought them in to help build their GAAS, and if that ends up working for them, while knowing not all will succeed, then yeah they could get more in the end.
It's def. Pr and a lot of ifs, and personally I feel they are overvaluing what Bungie can deliver, but all they need is one "Fortnite" "COD" mega gaas to be successful and that 3.6B would end up being pennies in the grand picture.
But again, I think they're putting way to much faith in Bungie. I mean, look at what's been going on with their own game this season, tons are upset over it, and this has been going on even before they were bought. That's who they want leading their GAAS? Remember, it's rumored that they're the reason that Faction 2 is delayed since it couldn't apparently work as a GAAS.
“and if that ends up working for them, while knowing not all will succeed, then yeah they could get more in the end”
Well hopefully they fail spectacularly or else PlayStation will forever be changed
Once they get a taste of that kind of money then there’s no going back and it will just get worse slowly over time.
They can make more than one type of game... Games are expensive, the multiplayer games can help fund the single player games.
It's not one or the other, and Sony has been telling you this since the start, they still plan to keep making single player games.
And hoping Sony fails spectacularly is basically hoping that the PlayStation brand fails, because with Microsoft doing what they are doing that's what you're going to get.
As what Ein said, the interview was last year. As someone else said there's like over 28 games in development at that time. 10 suppose to be live service and those 10 suppose to be spreaded out over the years. Those 10 suppose to be different genre and some based on already existing IP last of us, horizon are 2 of them. Read the full interview people would get what he is talking about. One point he made was that they will help boost single player games.
Destiny was supposed to be their mega gaas success, it's why they left MS (and for some reason sided with activision). This is just straight up bs, there's no way that bungie will ever make even close to anything that actibliz does. also a bit dumb of Ryan to say that Bungie, a single studio, will go head to head against a company made up of 20 studios, 15 highly regarded ips and even their own publishing branch, it's just not happening.
“I mean, look at what's been going on with their own game this season, tons are upset over it“
People get upset with most live service multiplayer games because you can never please everyone. At least that’s the way I’ve seen it on the internet.
Crash and Spyro barely sell anymore and aren't enough to move any kind of needle. I'd barely count them as having any kind of impact at all.
My point is it’s still something
If your main meaty part of the deal is COD and Blizzard games then Crash and Spyro are nice little bonuses
I think he means quite literally it gives them ,Sony, more to work with than less (like actual money). In the same Interview he goes on To explain that Spending 69B is a means to an end for Microsoft to pursue its goals with Subscription. However, the 4B Bungie purchase allows them to build their own content without spending untold billions acquiring everything.
He further explains that they are only acquiring where the see they have a need. So, while they are good on the single player front, they had to make a purchase that would allow them to build up their multiplayer and live service front.
You may also be interested to know that the title doesn't reflect the exact context that Jim is speaking in.
I’m sure the Bungie buyout was to give their first party studios multiplayer expertise which is exactly why Factions got put on the back burner. And Microsoft will probably run Activision in the ground anyhow. They can’t even properly run the studios they have now.
The thing about crash and Spyro is that Microsoft doesn't seem to make platformers anymore. Crash and Spyro will likely sit dead ips once that deal finishes.
Heres the full interview, this site needs to change. Start posting the full thing not one thing from it making 10 different topic
https://www.reddit.com/r/PS...
Dude I get it man but accept Activision was bigger purchase even though it shouldn't have happened regardless but modern gaming these days it's full of cheerleaders imo.
Probably not, but, even so, that would only be because they have a bunch of planned GaaS titles coming down the pipeline, and Bungie's purchase literally was just for them to help direct all the studios in how to best monetize the releases.
Ther was an add on that did the exact same thing as natal on the SNES. its not as good as MS make out.
i watched your vid, and yep it is still pretty much the same as playstation eye
You do know that the "Kung-fu" at one point was going to be multiplatform, right? Its a 3rd party game that Sony just happened to get exclusively. Then again, MS might have rejected it because its too "primitive" in terms of what Natal fully has to offer.
Not that there's been anything offered in regards to what natal can do as far as extracting and replacing backgrounds. That much about just hasn't been shown.
Natal is one of a kind. It's new tech, not only is it the biggest gaming technology this year, but Microsoft has said it's the biggest computer technology coming this year. Voice commands, scan items into it, it learns from you. It's amazing. I am looking forward to it. I am happy that MS didn't go with a Wii Knock off, because I wouldn't have bought something like that. I am glad they went with something more. I mean what started out as the best hard core gaming console has now turned into a great media device as well and this adds to that. I cant wait.
Actually, the Move does detect depth very accurately -- that's what the glowy ball is for.
In a sense, Natal detects a "depth field" -- it knows that one part of an incoming image is closer or further away from the camera than another, whereas the Move only detects a "depth point". The Move's depth accuracy is considerably more refined, but it is just that single point.
The real question for MS is... can that field of depth information be utilized for interesting gaming purposes, or is it just additional info, without any real purpose?
great post and its a great start at countering some of the inaccuracies that are floating around.. move is faking its depth of field and i would hardly call it refined.