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DragonKnight

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Blind Fanboyism Part 2

Greetings. This blog is a follow up to the first one I did about how Sony has some of the most blind defenders in the entire industry. This blog, however, will mostly be answering some counter statements to my previous blog, and expanding on some aspects. For reference purposes, please read the first blog (and continue the hate) by following the link below.

http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

Now then, the first thing I'm going to do is address a particular mindset about my previous blog.

First, just because I am discussing Neo, doesn't mean I am lending credence to sources claiming it exists. As of right now, Neo doesn't exist. It is rumour, it is conjecture, it is speculation. If I disparage any source trying to claim that Neo is real, and that source is NOT Sony themselves, it's because said source deserves to be disparaged because they are trying to peddle second or even third hand information as though it were first hand confirmation. So, do remember, Giantbomb is NOT Sony. Trying to talk about Neo as though Sony have made official statements via Giantbomb makes you look like an idiot and I quite frankly don't care if you don't like that I say that. The majority of defenders of Neo on this site are acting like Sony have officially announced it, and the rhetoric is damn near religious.

Second, yes I have generalized a lot. I had to. Have you seen the sheer number of people here defending Neo? You want specifics then you're asking me to quote mine hundreds of people. I'm not Rookie_Monster.

Finally, I understand that PC gamers have a unique perspective on this matter. The concept of a Neo is nothing new to them as the PC market is, by its very nature, a segmented market. This means that their reactions and expectations, and the consequences of a Neo, are fundamentally different when viewed through the eyes of someone who already deals with segmentation all the time.

Now then, onto some "counter arguments."

First, this argument....

"Sony seems committed to keeping the NEO and the original PS4 player bases connected. As such, there will be no NEO-only games, and Sony will not let developers separate NEO users from original PS4 players while playing on PSN"

I want you all to pay attention to something. Something important. When you read that statement, what do you see? You see the fact that segmentation is already a considered reality of releasing Neo. Assuming all of this information is correct, Sony already knew that this would segment the user base. That alone should be enough for me to say but I have to continue because it won't be enough for the blind defenders.

There are a few things to consider. Third party developers, resources, and optimization.

Third party developers are not beholden to Sony. They will make the games they can make with the resources available to them, and Sony will not be stupid enough to say "nah, we don't want more games on our platform." Devs already speak out about why certain games do not appear on certain platforms, you can be damned sure they wouldn't be shy about saying "well, our game isn't coming to Playstation because we don't have the resources for it with the release of Neo.

Then there is optimization to consider, which is part of another counter argument. This supposed idea that Neo will simply offer graphical settings akin to how games work on the PC market. Putting aside the fact that anyone who uses this argument must necessarily understand that they have made a case for segmentation, as that is the very nature of the PC market, there is still a big difference. PC development makes games at the best possible settings and allows for scaling down. The nature of PC gaming obviously allows for upscaling, but that's not ideal and usually comes with sacrifices. Because PC gaming has so many different configurations, it's practically impossible to optimize a game so devs simply let the sheer brute power of gaming rigs to do that for them. This wouldn't be the case with Neo. If the rumours are accurate, then a base version would be created and Neo would upscale. How often has upscaling been a pleasant experience over native? Most of the time the people on this site view upscaling as lazy. Don't believe me? Go into any graphics comparison article from the start of the previous gen right up until today comparing Xbox to Playstation and then tell me that no one says stuff like "1080p upscaled is terrible compared to native 1080p"

We've all seen the defenses before. Why I remember Christopher had a discussion with a user who seemed to suggest that upscaling was just as good as native, and Christopher's reply was a sarcastic one, and I'm paraphrasing here, about how if upscaling is just as good, then no games should even bother to be made at a native 1080p or greater resolution. This stuff happens all the time, and yet now that Sony is rumoured to be making an upsaler console, suddenly upscaling is the best thing ever? And if you try to come back with some kind of "it won't be like that" argument, then you're basically arguing for 2 versions of one game, proving my overall point once again.

So another argument that I've seen a lot is "well cellphones update every year, why shouldn't consoles. Cellphones shouldn't be more powerful than consoles."

Anyone making this argument is being purposely asinine and ridiculous.

Yes, cellphones update every year. Cellphones don't have to update every year, but they do. Cellphones are also prohibitively expensive on their own, that's WHY they update every year. The PS3 was $600 at launch and Sony was hammered for that price. iPhone's go for around $800 and people consider having one as a status symbol. When consoles are made, they are made with certain considerations. The highest possible power output at the lowest possible price. This is because gaming consoles are NOT meant to act as status symbols, they are NOT meant to reflect the current level of ever evolving technology. They were designed as, and have always served the function of being, home arcade devices that everyone could afford. In fact this cellphone argument could be analogous to saying "Arcade cabinets improve all the time, why shouldn't the SNES?"

This argument is steeped in graphics whoring. It comes from insecure gamers who are jealous of PC gaming but don't want to spend the money to get into it, while ignoring that that very penny pinching nature is why the home console industry was even created. Graphics whoring is destroying the industry as devs do nothing more than pushing pixels and polygons to shut up the most vain, superficial demographic of gamers. The truth is, if you want consoles to mimic cellphones then you're either going to have to be happy with $1000 consoles, or submitting to contracts that will subsidize the cost. And with how vehement console gamers were about things such as privacy and keeping big business out of their lives, I doubt that gamers would want to be hypocrites and start agreeing to contract terms to own a home console. But then again, the blind defense of this is so massive, I'm probably wrong.

The next argument is the "what if some people just like it" argument. That's barely even worth responding to. People like a lot of things they shouldn't. They support a lot of things that are bad for them. That's just human nature. There's also a difference between finding something intriguing, and vociferously defending it even while it exists as mere rumour. People are trying to tout this as an "option" and "options are good." You know what else is an option? Microtransactions. Have microtransactions benefited the industry, or have they simply lined the pockets of greedy publishers who use that money to make more microtransactions for future games? People have made similar arguments about microtransactions that they are Neo, but you'll be hard pressed to find a gamer who enjoys the idea of unlockables and other aspects of games being purposely difficult to achieve in order to incentivize the purchase of microtransaction goods. Do you really believe that Sony would spend money on a Neo and NOT do everything they could to incentivize purchasing it over the base PS4 model? You think they want Neo to go the way of the PS Camera or PSP Go? Those were "options" to, and look at what happened to them. That fact also answers the counter argument that "well there are 40+ million PS4s out there that Sony won't just abandon." You're right, they won't, but it doesn't mean they'll throw the same support behind 40+ million consoles already bought as they will the prospect of making even more money on a newer console. You think cellphone companies are looking to entice existing customers, or are they looking to attract more new ones for a bigger steady stream of cash?

Now I want to move on to a matter of hypocrisy. See, Sony hasn't been the only company rumoured to be making this kind of move, nor have they been the first. Microsoft was rumoured to be making a similar move with a console the community dubbed Xbox One Next. The reactions should be expected. Microsoft hinting at upgradeable consoles is met with, at best tepid intrigue, at the realist it's met with derision. But if Sony does it, all's well and good.

This here is one of the best articles on N4G to illustrate a divide, and consequently Septic's claivoyance.

http://n4g.com/news/1872622...

Or this

http://n4g.com/news/1873030...

Or, and I have to use a gamingbolt article for this but only for the comments section here on N4G.... this.

http://n4g.com/news/1871146...

And that's just a tip of the iceberg. The hypocrisy is maddening.

Look, if it's ok for Sony to release Neo (which it isn't), it should have always been ok for Phil Spencer to talk about yearly Xbox consoles. If it's not ok for one then it's not ok for the other.

These businesses are treating you all like fools. They dangle a shiny new carrot and you try to bite no matter what.

Real fans are not those who think every move is the best move ever. They are the ones calling out the B.S. when needed so that companies like Sony or Microsoft don't grow complacent and arrogant. We got Microsoft to remove Kinect, used games DRM, 24 hour check-ins, and an over reliance on Sports and TV with the Xbox One. We did that by calling them out on their B.S. and deriding those who thought the DRM crap was a good idea. That sparked a POSITIVE change for the Xbox One. A change that wouldn't have happened otherwise. We have that opportunity to do so again, with both PS4 and Xbox One.

How many of us here are always critical of the mobile gaming market, and yet now championing what some are actually calling a move that is "just like mobile gaming?"

Defend everything, be responsible for the worst corporations can throw at us. We've allowed on disc, day one DLC. We've allowed day one patches and the release of unfinished games. We've allowed microtransactions, Destiny, and The Division. You want to allow consoles to go the way of mobile gaming too?

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The_Klank1877d ago

Good stuff DK, I have to say I've been quite on this as I think there just isn't enough to go on to form an opinion either way, on one hand I can see why these companies are contemplating this new hardware trend, tech has drastically changed in the last 10 to 20 years. Both MS and Sony have to be looking at other fields of tech and wondering how they can benefit from this iteration model. On the other hand historically, console gamers have always had the benefit of knowing that once they paid for a console that it was going to be pushed to the limits of its capabilities throughout its 5 to 8 year cycle. Will that change? That's the crucial point in this whole thing Imo. If gamers feel short changed because all of a sudden the base models become an after thought it will not go down well, but alternatively if MS and Sony can keep pushing the base models while never releasing exclusive content for either device it could work out. I know that if these devices are coming, if my console dies out of warranty I'll be buying the upgraded version. Maybe that would make me part of the problem but what other choice is there in that situation?
As for the whole hypocrisy thing, ''The greatest way to live with honor in this world is to be what we pretend to be.'' ~Socrates

rocketpanda1876d ago

Your statements are well put, but regardless most fanboys will just be fanboys and defend dirty tactics by their godlike chosen company which will nickel and dime their fanbase to the death.

As an avid console and PC gamer, I gave up giving my loyalty to any one company long time ago. Once or if Sony and MS start fragmenting their consumers then I feel that would be the best time to just stick with PC gaming. Investing in console cycles every 2 years is something that has been against the concept of console gaming itself. Sure you don't have to buy a new unit, but the idea of already having a console only suddenly for a newer and more powerful version to be released out of the blue is a kick in balls. If I want to upgrade my hardware I game on a PC.

I feel Nintendo will come out of this stronger with the NX if news about Neo or Next, unless Nintendo does the same. I feel like they are trying to treat the market like mobile phones, upgrading after 12 or 24 months.

UltraNova1875d ago

"I feel Nintendo will come out of this stronger with the NX if news about Neo or Next, unless Nintendo does the same. I feel like they are trying to treat the market like mobile phones, upgrading after 12 or 24 months."

Nintendo has a lot of ground to cover and a lot of faith and fans to win back first before they come out stronger than either MS or Sony.

As for consoles going the way of smartphones, I say screw this I'll stick with my current console until it dies or is no longer supported in the way of exclusives, then when I'm good and ready, I'll get what ever is out and caters to my tastes.

Sony you better put some red lines down and keep supporting the OG PS4...

BillytheBarbarian1876d ago

Because nothing has come out about a console coming out I wonder if we could be looking at Slim versions of existing consoles with the added perk of upscaling to 4k for users that can support it. We're in the 3rd year and if the past is anything to reflect on we should be seeing "slims" or "model 2s" soon anyway. What if it's just a simple software update to upscale to 4k? Then newer titles will have an option to play in true 4k if they were developed with that in mind to keep up. We don't really know yet. I know one thing is that if one company comes out with a new console that does the 4k and the other company is able to do it with the old hardware with a software update, it could really shake things up. Personally, I've always felt this generation of consoles were under powered from the get go. Either that or companies are still stuck in their ways and are not taking advantage of the new hardware. I feel like GTAV barely looks better on PS4 than it does on the 360. And that goes for Madden 16, NBA 2k16, and other titles that came out for both generations. It's a miniscule blip of advancement as compared with other generation graphical leaps. Other than more HD, graphics aren't really going to blow anyone away anymore. 2005's Fight Night Round 3 and Oblivion still stand as great looking games even after a decade. Anyway, just have to wait and see what happens. I'm guessing were just getting slims that support 4k gaming. I don't believe Sony and Microsoft would pull a Sega (separate 32x carts) and sell a 4k disc format separate from their core software. This will now just give devs the option to have 4k featured in their future titles. My guess.

Bimkoblerutso1876d ago

I had to look up "vociferously."

...and I'm with you. We are in such a state in gaming right now that fanboyism has allowed developers and publishers to do some of the most industry-damaging bullcrap I have ever bore witness to.

The problem is that fanboys are the loudest, so developers tend to pay attention to them. So whether they are the vocal minority or not, they seem to encourage changes that the majority of us have to fall in line with because...hell, it's either that or give up gaming.

Lukejrl1876d ago

I had to look it up too. I like how it had 2 words to define it that a lot of people would have to look up themselves.

His points summarize my feelings, although a little more angrily, about my tepid response to a possibility of a 4.5.

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