Final Fantasy VII vs. Rise of the Tomb Raider

Well, looks like I'm going to be writing quite a few blogs in close succession aren't I? But this topic has to be discussed. Why? Well because for those for whom an E3 victory is a matter of life and death, Final Fantasy VII's availability has become a talking point and it's about time it's analyzed.

Final Fantasy VII's remake was announced specifically with the words "Final Fantasy VII remake will appear first on Playstation 4." Naturally this sparked the "HA! You guys are happy for a timed exclusive that's going to be on Xbox later anyway" comments. Then naturally the comparison to Rise of the Tomb Raider was also made as both games are published by the same company, so let's analyze both games so that you'll understand why I'm telling the "we totally don't care about Final Fantasy VII's remake" Xbox fanboys to stop with the wishful thinking.

Final Fantasy VII was released in 1997 for the Playstation 1 to fantastic reception and critical acclaim. The game's story was so open-ended that it spawned its own metaseries of games, films, and written stories. Excluding the written stories and films, as those can be consumed in many ways, there are a staggering number of games that are either directly linked to Final Fantasy VII, or feature characters from the game. They are as follows, including FFVII itself.

Final Fantasy VII - Playstation 1 - 1997
Final Fantasy VII International - 1997 (Japan) - 2009 (PSN)
Final Fantasy VII PC - 1998, 2012 (Digital), 2013 (Steam)
Final Fantasy VII International PC - 2014 (Digital, Japan)
Final Fantasy VII PS4 - Q4 2015 (PC Port)
Final Fantasy VII iOS - Summer 2015 (PC Port)
Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII - 2004 (Japanese Mobile Phone)
Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII - 2006 (Playstation 2)
Dirge of Cerberus International - 2008 (Playstation 2)
Dirge of Cerberus Lost Episode: Final Fantasy VII - 2007/2008 (Mobile)
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII: - 2007/2008 (Playstation Portable)

List of Games in which Final Fantasy 7 characters appeared prominently

Kingdom Hearts (PS2, PS3 as part of 1.5) Cloud, Aerith, Yuffie, Cid, Sephiroth.
Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories (GBA, PS2 as Re:CoM, PS3 as part of 1.5) Cloud, Aerith, Yuffie, Cid
Kingdom Hearts Coded (Mobile) Cloud, Cid
Kingdom Hearts 2 (PS2, PS3 as part of 2.5) Cloud, Aerith, Yuffie, Cid, Sephiroth, Biggs, Wedge, Jesse, Tifa.
Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep (PSP, PS3 as part of 2.5) Zack
Kindgom Hearts Dream Drop Distance (3DS) Cloud, Zack
Final Fantasy Dissidia (PSP) Cloud, Sephiroth (playable), Cait Sith, Barret (non-playable)
Final Fantasy Dissidia 012 (PSP) Tifa, Cloud, Sephiroth (playable), Aerith, Cait Sith (non-playable).

There are also some lesser known games like Itadaki Street Special which features FFVII characters but I didn't put them on the list because, well it's a Japan only game most people have never heard of. I also omitted games like Final Fantasy Tactics where either the characters can be completely missed in the game, or never used at all to no detriment, and games like that one FF game for mobile that was riddled with microtransactions but had like literally every conceivable FF character in it. I can't remember the name, I'm sure someone will post it somewhere.

So as we can see, the total number of Playstation Platform games directly, or indirectly, linked with Final Fantasy VII is 12 out of 19. The total number, out of 19, linked directly, or indirectly, with Xbox is 0.

So now we move on to Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider was released in 1996 for DOS, Playstation 1, and Sega Saturn. Like Final Fantasy VII, Tomb Raider was released to high praise from gaming media and excellent reception by gamers the world over. Unlike Final Fantasy VII, Tomb Raider was immediately released on 3 platforms. This is a trend that would continue with the series, as follows.

Tomb Raider - 1996 - DOS, Sega Saturn, Playstation 1
Tomb Raider 2 - 1997 - Playstation, Windows. 1998 - Mac OS. 2009 - PSN (PS3, PSP). 2014 - iOS
Tomb Raider 3 - 1998 - Playstation, Windows. 1999 - Mac OS. 2009- PSN (PS3, PSP)
Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation - 1999 - Playstation, Windows. 2000 - Dreamcast, Mac OS. 2009 - PSN (PS3, PSP)
Tomb Raider Chronicles - 2000 - Dreamcast, Windows, PlayStation. 2011 - PlayStation Network (PS3, PSP)
Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness - 2003 - PlayStation 2, Windows, Mac OS
Tomb Raider: Legend - 2006 - PlayStation 2, Xbox, Xbox 360, Windows, PSP, GCN. 2011 - PlayStation 3
Tomb Raider: Anniversary - 2007 - PlayStation 2, PSP, Xbox 360, Windows, Wii. 2008 - Mac OS X. 2011 - PlayStation 3
Tomb Raider: Underworld - 2008 - PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, Windows, Wii, Nintendo DS. 2009 - PlayStation 2. 2012 - Mac OS X.
Tomb Raider - 2013 - PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, Windows. 2014 - PlayStation 4, Xbox One, Mac OS X.
Rise of the Tomb Raider - 2015 - Xbox 360, Xbox One. Playstation 4, PC - TBA (Link to Crystal Dynamics talking about unintended exclusivity... http://gamerant.com/rise-to...

Games excluded were mobile games, the PSN games like Tomb of Osiris, and the Tomb Raider Trilogy.

**EDIT** To those who will undoubtedly point out that I compared one game to an entire series, would you really want me to include all FF games, all of which (excluding FF3) have a presence on PS platforms and only XI, the XIII trilogy, and XV have a presence on Xbox platforms? It would really only prove my point even more. Plus, if I reduced the Tomb Raider series to one game, it'd have to be Rise of the Tomb Raider to coincide with the topic, which would still not bode well for Tomb Raider. **

So as we can see here, Tomb Raider began its life as a multiplatform title even excluding DOS from the first title. It then moved on for a couple of titles to be console exclusive to PS platforms before again resuming multiplatform status. Every Tomb Raider game, minus exclusions, has or will be on Playstation platforms, while 5 of them have appeared on Xbox platforms. We can grant Xbox a break for titles that were released before the original Xbox was released however.

What does this tell us? Well this tells us that, from a strictly numbers perspective, although both FFVII and Rise of the Tomb Raider were revealed with similar wording, historically speaking Final Fantasy VII has absolutely no presence on Xbox in any way. It does have a presence on PC. One would look at the fact that Final Fantasy XIII's whole trilogy has its presence on the Xbox platform, but the upcoming PC port release of Final Fantasy VII is PS4 exclusive and will not appear on Xbox One. Final Fantasy VII in almost all conceivable ways has been very tightly woven with the Playstation platform.

Tomb Raider as a franchise has been pretty much on everything. Just because its appearance has chiefly favoured the Playstation Platform doesn't negate the reality that only 2 Tomb Raider games have actually been console exclusive to the Playstation Platform. Historically speaking, Tomb Raider is everyone's franchise.

Now we move on to a possibility that I've so far only ever seen one person even hint at. That being that if the FFVII remake comes to PC, it's automatically coming to Xbox One via Windows 10. No. It doesn't work like that. Microsoft can't just circumvent Square-Enix that way and anyone thinking like that needs to go sit in a corner with a Dunce cap on their head. It'd also be illegal without SE's permission.

Finally, we move on to the money argument. Obviously a publisher wanting to maximize profit will put their game on as many platforms as possible. This would be the best argument for FFVII's remake to be coming to Xbox One. BUT. A lot of games are coming with console exclusivity to the PS4, excluding FFVII 3 games are coming from Square-Enix themselves. Those would be Nier 2, Star Ocean 5, and World of Final Fantasy (which also includes FFVII characters). Currently, Square-Enix have not announced any games with obvious console exclusivity for the Xbox One.

So if we're going to use the money argument, why would SE simply allow Sony to pay for console exclusivity if they know they can make more money off multiplatform?

Ok, so I think that has covered all of the bases and pretty much explained why we should stop hearing "it's coming to Xbox One" from those who allegedly "don't care" about the remake. Obviously, since FFXIII and FFXV are both games that have, or will, appear on the Xbox One respectively, nothing is impossible. But I ask you, dear readers, do you think you stand a chance betting against the house on the sole basis of the single word "first?"

[Relientk77]

Final Fantasy VII is considered by many to be the best game if all time. Having the exclusivity rights to the Final Fantasy VII Remake is way more important than exclusivity rights to Rise of Tomb Raider.

Also PlayStation is the home of JRPGs, and it will sell more on that console anyway

[Concertoine]

Definitely, FFVII sold 4 million copies on PS1 in Japan alone.

[mikeslemonade]

It's not even close. The people that don't understand the impact of FF7, I question how long they have been gaming.

Because I'm 27 years old and during highschool everyone had FF7 as atleast top 5 favorite games of all time. There's people that stopped game and will come back to play FF7.

FF7 doesn't even need to be the better game. People will buy it.

[Gazondaily]

FF7 all day erry day!!

Doubt it'll come to Xbox. TR will come to PS4 for sure.

[Christopher]

I think FF7 will make it to XBO. At least in the U.S and Europe it will.

[pivotplease]

Agreed. It's a huge game and could eclipse most of Square's modern RPGs. Why wouldn't they throw it on the Xbox if Kingdom Hearts III is going to the Xbox and that franchise has literally no presence on that system. It would almost be dumb to buy it as an Xbox gamer if they don't get a remastered collection out soon though. Either way, me and all of my fellow RPG fans have stuck to PlayStation for blatantly obvious reasons over the past two decades. That will never change with how limited Xbox exclusives are in terms of genre scope.

[Rookie_Monster]

Who cares. FF7 is 2-3 years away and Tomb Raider is coming out in a few months. As we saw from former "pS3 exclusive" FF Versus and Kingdom Heart, no one thought those games would end up on Xbox, but they are. So anything is possible especially "first on" was used.

[DragonKnight]

Who cares, Rise of the Tomb Raider looks exactly the same as Tomb Raider 2013. Yay. See how anyone can make a pointless comment?

[Relientk77]

Yeah but this one has a bunch of snow, it looks like Uncharted 2 lol

[Valenka]

In my opinion, Rise of the Tomb Raider looks significantly better than TR2013.

[DragonKnight]

I'm not talking about graphics. I'm saying that if you took Rise of the Tomb Raider and Tomb Raider 2013 and put them together in a video without any indication of which was which, you'd probably think they are one whole game.

[Elit3Nick]

"I'm saying that if you took Rise of the Tomb Raider and Tomb Raider 2013 and put them together in a video without any indication of which was which, you'd probably think they are one whole game."

Wouldn't you say the same about Uncharted?

[pivotplease]

Lol so The Dark Tomb Raider will have a desert like Uncharted 3.

@Elit3Nick Just no. Uncharted 1 and 2 are night and day. Not only the graphics and animations, but some gameplay mechanics and the addition of truly cinematic gameplay sets the games apart. U2 is when the franchise went from being average triple AAA to one of the best gaming franchises of all time and the best action/adventure franchise period. On the other hand, if you compared U2 and U3, they are much closer and even follow a similar plot structure. U4 however looks like a legit next-gen experience. That is something that you can hardly discern when comparing the two Tomb Raider games. It still looks like it could have last gen ports whereas U4 pushes all of the envelopes.

[Imalwaysright]

@ Relientk77

TR1, TR2, TR3, TR Chronicles, TR Anniversary, TR Legend, TR Underworld and the reboot had levels with snow...

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img...

[Concertoine]

I'm just not seeing what this proves. It shows a playstation-originated series/game that NO ONE thinks will ever make it to xbox.... but this has been the case many times. Now we wait?

But what about Devil May Cry, Resident Evil, or FF XIII? People could've just as well compiled a massive list of games not associated with the Xbox at all back then, and look at those series now. In fact, the third comment you ever posted on N4G is talking about how FFXIII is just IMPOSSIBLE to port to the 360 at this point, etc. Just goes to show how things can change.

I'm not trying to thumb my nose and say "HAH i'm just going to play it on xbox, one less PS exclusive, etc". I could care less. The xbone is the only console i don't own. I just don't see what you're seeing in this "proof".

[DragonKnight]

"I'm just not seeing what this proves. It shows a playstation-originated series/game that NO ONE thinks will ever make it to xbox.... but this has been the case many times. Now we wait?"

Many times? Hardly. But I'll address it in the next quote.

"But what about Devil May Cry, Resident Evil, or FF XIII?"

Devil May Cry and Resident Evil are the same point. RE was never exclusive just like Tomb Raider and Devil May Cry is an RE offshoot. It exists in a "unintended exclusive" category. Final Fantasy XIII I already talked about, but it was a new game in a franchise that itself was never exclusive. FF started on Nintendo, then moved to Playstation, but still maintained a presence on Nintendo handhelds and PSP. As a series it's not exclusive, but FFVII itself has always been Playstation console exclusive and that's the point. The point of the list is to show the trend.

"People could've just as well compiled a massive list of games not associated with the Xbox at all back then, and look at those series now."

Well A) Do so if you think you can and B) No they couldn't. The list of games that were PS exclusive that now are on Xbox is not staggering. People confuse exclusive by design with exclusive by happenstance. Tomb Raider is the perfect example of this. It started out as a multiplat, then 2 games were exclusive to PS, then went back to multiplat. That's simply because of the circumstances of the industry around that time. There was no Xbox to compete with Sony, the Playstation 1 dominated the market so Eidos likely saw little gain in putting Tomb Raider on Sega or Nintendo's comparatively failing consoles, but as soon as actual competition came back around, that's when you saw Tomb Raider go back to being multiplat. FFXIII meanwhile is an example of the state of the industry when it released. Xbox 360 and PS3 were fighting a hard fight against each other, SE had already been showing the 360 love with other JRPGs (which failed miserably), and given what we know now about the Fabula Nova Crystallis series, it's easy to see that SE were in over their heads with development.

"In fact, the third comment you ever posted on N4G is talking about how FFXIII is just IMPOSSIBLE to port to the 360 at this point, etc. Just goes to show how things can change."

Which is why I said anything is possible, but do you want to take that 1% bet?

"I just don't see what you're seeing in this "proof"."

It's quite simple really. Square and Sony have always had a close relationship, pretty much starting with FFVII. Although now Sony owns nothing of Square, starting with FFVII Sony's money kept Square out of a lot of trouble both in development funding/publishing, and in buying shares of the company. Final Fantasy Advent Children was produced by Sony Pictures, another aspect of Final Fantasy VII tied closely to Sony.

When we add everything up, and we look at the raw numbers showing that no property of FFVII (minus character appearances in other games) has ever appeared on a competing console but has appeared on PC, it's not hard to see a concerted effort to keep FFVII only on PS platforms. Whether this is Sony throwing money at it, or some arrangement made and remade since 1997 only Sony and SE can say.

But suggesting that a single word means that the game is coming to Xbox when all past evidence involving that specific game shows that it never goes ANYWHERE but PC is wishful thinking. Personally I don't really care myself because I'll still be playing it on my PS4, but the back and forth arguments in comparing FFVII with Rise of the Tomb Raider were just getting out of hand and I decided to talk about it.

[Concertoine]

You already made a big list for me. Chop off the past few years and prior to FFXIII i could make the same list arguing that it won't come to Xbox. To go even further back I could even argue that Sony co-owns the main series up to XI since it had been exclusive til then, after all none of those games appeared anywhere else but PS outside of character appearances. This is the problem with alleging some kind of behind-the-scenes copyright or ownership deals. It's totally theoretical.

I will concede that FFVII is the most likely of all those games to maintain console exclusivity on PS4, but that doesn't make it impossible. What i think is possible is that, unless Sony has bought console exclusivity of the FFVII remake, Square will test the waters in terms of sales with FFXV on Xbone and will consider releasing the FFVII remake from there.

But are PC sales of FF really that good anyway? Why wouldn't Sony just buy total exclusivity like they usually do?

I'm confused as to why you keep referring to two different types of exclusives as if FFVII is NOT an exclusive by happenstance. The whole reason it appeared on the Playstation was the Saturn's steep learning curb and difficulty rendering 3D, and the N64's low storage capacity. Sony do not own the rights to FFVII. If they did, it wouldn't have appeared on PC back in the day or now. Sony translated and published the game in NA, but that's the extent of the deal. I can find no proof whatsoever that Sony funded FFVII, if you have any i'd like to see it.

The reason that FFVII hasn't appeared on other consoles is the same reason FFVIII, FFIX, and FFX haven't. Maybe Square doesn't see any point in porting it to other consoles. Sony definitely doesn't hold a legal stake in any of those games, as it is always copyrighted under Square. Cloud also appeared in KH games outside of Sony platforms, which wouldn't be the case if Sony owned any part of the rights to FF7 and its characters.

Capcom definitely has all the rights to RE 1-3, and they choose not to port it to other consoles nowadays either. Same with a lot of PS1 games, honestly the only PS1 game i can think of that's on 360 is SotN. I think they just figure that Xbox gamers have no attachment to these games.

edit: Also DMC is not a RE offshoot. Totally different gameplay, stories and characters. Early in development DMC was an RE game, but it branched so early that it doesn't even matter. A lot of games start as existing IP's. Splatoon isn't a Mario game because, at one point, it had Mario in it.

[DragonKnight]

If SE are going to test the waters with FFXV then it's almost assured that FFVII will not make it to Xbox One. JRPGs go to Xbox to die. That's just the reality of it.

PC sales of FFVII are significant enough that 3 versions have been released on PC and its port is being released on PS4 and iOS. I don't have numbers, but the fact that PC continues to get love for FFVII should say something.

Maybe the original FFVII was a happenstance exclusive, but subsequent properties are not. And just because Sony could own the IP doesn't mean it wouldn't be on PC, PC is not a competitor with PS platforms. As I've said, FFVII, nor its spinoffs, have not appeared on any competing console. Only characters have.

You can't compare FFVII to VIII, or IX. They didn't have nearly the same impact and are less tempting options for port purposes. Besides, both VIII and IX also have PSN versions so if SE is looking to make more money of these properties they have no reason to exclude Xbox and have chosen to anyway. X I can give you for now only because I haven't thought of an effective rebuttal to it. But the point would be money, and only money. You're also forgetting the other 3 exclusives coming to PS4. SE quite simply are choosing the currently more successful brand and showing that there is less and less of a chance of FFVII moving to Xbox One.

And Xbox gamers have an attachment to FFVII?

[Concertoine]

But Nier and Star Ocean are also niche as hell. Both of those games were already on 360, and sold bad. That's why they're not coming to Xbone.

Also, if PC is such a non-factor, why does Sony never release any of its content on PC? Or, why is FFVII practically the only game (outside of planetside) that they chose to release there? Oh yeah... it's because they don't own FFVII.

The XIII games actually sold good enough on the 360, and that's why XV is coming (and why I think FFVII could possible come). There's also not a lot of reason to NOT port games between the consoles this generation, if they were willing to put in the effort required to port between the Cell and PowerPC three times, then there is no reason to refuse the PS4 to Xbone process. That's the reason a lot games that won't sell too well on the Xbone are still coming.

And no, they have NO attachment, and that's why the PS1 games aren't coming to XBLA. Not because Sony has any legal rights to any of the FF games on PS1/PS2. That was the point i was trying to make with that comment.

That obviously leads to why the FFVII remake could be any different. FFVII (the most iconic game in a series that has proven profitable on Xbox) is on a whole different level than Nier or Star Ocean (two games that sold like s*** on Xbox), it's like the GTA of its time in terms of popularity. Even if FFXV sold less than a million on Xbone (likely), that's still a decent profit for Square due to the easy porting process this gen.

Considering Sony probably has no legal rights to FFVII unless they buy them, introducing such a legendary and iconic game to a new audience at a time when porting costs are at their lowest has to be tempting to Square. Whether or not it'll happen remains to be seen, but i won't hold my breath that it doesn't happen. I've already been shocked by many other series coming to xbox. (Silent Hill, MGS, RE, DMC, KH, Final Fantasy, and more...).

[DragonKnight]

Calling them niche is a reaching argument, and that they sold bad merely proves my point about FFVII. JRPGs die on the Xbox brand, that's even less incentive to put FFVII on the Bone.

Are we going to move into the sass part of the argument now? Why won't Sony put any of their games on PC? Because it's THEIR games. First party titles. FFVII is still very much SE's game, but that DOESN'T mean that Sony DOESN'T have console exclusivity rights. Since you're arguing for the possibility of the remake going to the Bone, why hasn't the PC port that's coming to PS4 also coming to the Xbox One? If it's all about money and FFXIII and FFXV are coming to the Bone, why isn't it, or FFXIV, or World of Final Fantasy doing the same?

FFXIII Trilogy's overall sales sucked, with FFXIII being the highest selling of them all. On PS3, FFXIII sold 4.95 million and on Xbox 360 it sold 1.95 million. That's less than Tomb Raider AND it was a first FF game in a new generation AND was the first time an FF game was on more than one platform simultaneously. FFXV is not coming to the Bone because of FFXIII's sales, it's coming because of the money spent switching engines and chosen platforms necessitating the need for making it multiplatform. FFXIII is not an indication of FFVII coming to the Bone, especially when we consider, again, that SE is giving PS 3 other games exclusively.

So now you concede that Xbox has no attachment with FF yet somehow believe that, despite all evidence to the contrary, FFVII is coming to the Bone. You realize that that is the poorest argument you can make right?

"FFVII (the most iconic game in a series that has proven profitable on Xbox)"

I'm sorry what? FFVII has not profited on the Xbox at all. Absolutely no game related to FFVII has been on Xbox at all. So how has it proven profitable on Xbox? What FFVII related title has made SE money on the Xbox?

"is on a whole different level than Nier or Star Ocean (two games that sold like s*** on Xbox)"

Reaching again. The status of either game isn't relevant. The fact that SE is making them exclusive, despite your next argument being the supposed ease of porting and the fact that multiplat = more overall revenue is what's relevant. Clearly SE is demonstrating that they don't care about the money they could be making off the Bone.

You really haven't provided anything other than FFXIII came to the Bone so FFVII must be. There have been plenty of opportunities for SE to put FFVII even on Nintendo products and they haven't. The evidence is clearly against you.

[DragonKnight]

Based on this interview, it seems that the FFVII remake has a secondary intent behind it. That being selling PS4's in Japan.

http://gematsu.com/2015/06/...

"Square Enix is making a concerted effort to make sure the PlayStation 4 is more attractive to the audience in its home country."

"We wanted to reassure players that PlayStation 4 is coming out with great titles including Final Fantasy 7. That's why we decided to announce the remake."

[freshslicepizza]

final fantasy games have come to the xbox platform and final fantasy vii is probably the most popular in the west so odds are it will come to the xbox one unless sony steps in and does a microsoft move and makes it console exclusive. then sony fans will rejoice saying that's where it belongs any ways like they are with street fighter v.

this whole thing is ludicrous regardless if it comes to the xbox one or not because at the end of the day what does it matter? what does it matter to people who want it on the ps4 if it comes to the xbox one? this whole blog sounds like somebody who just can't stand the xbox platform.

final fantasy vii came out when the xbox platform wasn't even around. so this whole thesis is purely written out of spite with not an ounce of empathy for others who may want to enjoy it.

[Concertoine]

This is my last bubble so i just wanted to wrap up your rebuttal to my last comment.

JRPG's do die on the Xbox. But Final Fantasy didn't, you don't seem to be understanding this. They didn't release 3 different XIII games on that platform because they WEREN'T selling. Also, nearly 2 million copies is pretty damn good for any game, nonetheless a JRPG on the Xbox. This isn't an exclusive, this is a port, 2 million is more than enough as seen by Square's continued support of the platform.

Excuse my sass then, dude. You have to realize how silly this all sounds. You're implying that Sony got console exclusivity rights in 1997. Multiplats were barely even a thing back then, especially for JRPGs. Considering the Saturn was difficult to make games for (i don't think Squaresoft made ANY Saturn games) and the N64 couldn't even handle it without like 10 carts, Sony didn't need to buy crap. So if sony bought rights, they bought them now. And if they bought console-exclusive rights, then it would be the first time in their history of buying third party games that they permitted a PC release.

I conceded the Xbox fans have no attachment to PS1 games in general. I did this to try and explain why games like RE 1-3 or the old FF games are never brought over: they feel there's not market. But a digital re-release and an HD re-imagining are two very different things. It's been shown that they buy games in the FF series, hence why XV is coming, why the XIII trilogy came, and why VII could come. At this point i feel like i'm repeating myself...

Now you're literally quoting me and not reading what i'm saying. I said it was "the most iconic game in a SERIES proven profitable on Xbox." Yeah, there's a 7 on the end of there, it's part of a series. Not as much as it did on PS3, but enough to warrant more games in the series. There's no contesting this, it's fact.

The status of those games is relevant because you're using them as ammo. You're acting like freaking Nier is on the same pedestal as FFVII in terms of moneymaking potential. Unlike Nier and Star Ocean, there's been multiple installments in the FF series since they made their Xbox debut, and those games have made it to the Xbox. FFVII will be the first console FF to not make it to the Xbox, if it doesn't.

Also I really don't feel like i should have to explain why a chibi spin-off isn't releasing on a console with 50k units sold in all of Japan. I doubt that game will even sell much in the west on PS4. That's a totally different story than a game like XV or VII. As for XIV, the director explained it was because MS wouldn't allow cross-platform play.

http://www.ign.com/articles...

I mean clearly i'm not totally crazy since the agrees are not on your side. I think you're a little quick to be dismissive. You're also quick to accuse me of being sassy when you're being an outright dick to moldybread. I'm honestly pretty disappointed to see this comment section get so hostile so quick. Like moldybread said, such is the case with E3, lol...

[Nicaragua]

@concertoine

I dont think its unfathomable that Sony bought the rights back in 1997 and then allowed it to release it on PC. They used to be very liberal with their exclusives to the point that Wipeout (which was one of playstations defining franchises) appeared on the freakin Nintendo 64.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

So the fact FF7 was on PC doesnt really mean anything. I think its very likely Sony locked up exclusivity in 1997.

DragonKnight - the "saltybread" schtick is really lame.

[DillyDilly]

Both games are timed exclusives so who cares ?

[Kavorklestein]

DragonKnight never fails to start off well and still fail miserably at being neutral or unbiased.

Bottom line is, nobody knows all the full details, it doesn't really matter THAT much WHAT the details are, and the FF VII remake will be- and is exciting.
No matter what console(s) or platform it is available for, or WHEN it is available to them.

Time to grow up dude.
Your last blog talked about people being babies.
You may not be throwing a fit about exclusivity or whatnot, but you are throwing a fit about people who don't share your opinion.

Calm down bruh, it's time to take your medication.

[ginganinja]

FFVII is probably so far out that even Squeenix haven't decided with any certainty what other platforms it'll come to, other than PS4.
And it wouldn't surprise me if we've seen another Tomb Raider game by then, making this particular pi***ng contest even more irrelevant.

[Team_Litt]

Why? I mean why? Why do we entertain this g...im not evn gon use prper gramur or finsh ths s

[spicelicka]

If it really bothers ANYONE so much that xbox owners may want Final fantasy VII to come to Xbox, then their insecurity is beyond fixable.

Seriously pathetic that we argue about the possibility of a game coming on another platform so we can claim "victory" for our respective consoles (that we act like we invented, when all we did was buy them).

If it comes then more people enjoy it, if it doesn't then so be it. We should be discussing video games, not arguing about release forecasts based on past information that's redundant.

[thecowsaysmoo]

How does anyone think Rise of the Tomb Raider will easily be on the PS4? Square Enix will have to remake the game essentially from the grown up to make it for the PS4 due to legal reasons. Microsoft is the publisher people.