Why all the wii hate?

Well guys, the title pretty much sums up what this blog will be about. Just a fair warning, this blog may get kind of lengthy as i tend to ramble on but ill try to keep on point as much as possible. Now to be completely honest i have no idea why so many gamers have so much hate towards wii. I see many gamers going out of their way to bash and bring down the wii. I guess im not understanding as most people very rarely explain why they dont like the console or the games and merely suggest that it "sucks" without further explanation. This mainly sparks from the various wii articles that have been floating around, most notably of how reggie recently stated that there are more wii games in the pipeline for the year. I read the article and didn't think much of it other than they have a few unannounced games. Well i returned to the article to see many gamers up in arms due to that portion of quote promoting future titles to come, which has now lead me to this blog. Why all the wii hate?

I mean its no surprise that the wii isnt in hd. Thats an obvious reason for most complaints and is somewhat valid. I due agree, to an extent, that i wish the wii was in hd. It would be nice to play nintendo games in hd for once. Thats one of the main reasons i bought an hdtv, mainly to hook up my ps3 with an hdmi and get the best possible quality. Yet i feel like there is a time and place for great graphics and its obvious the wii isn't the place to turn for those things. Now are the graphics bad? Well no, most games look great and see that is somewhat the issue. The output is only 480p but the art and graphical style of the games look fantastic. My standards aren't as high as most when it comes to graphics so maybe im being a bit to lenient or maybe im not being critical enough. Im not saying graphics aren't important. We have the tech to create some beautiful looking games so its almost as if there is no excuse for the wii to be at the back of the pack in that aspect. Yet, i often ask myself, when did graphics become the game? The graphics are always at the center of the debate and there is often very little room to discuss the actual game. My opinion on the matter of graphics is less than stellar though as my thoughts are usually the opposite of what most people think. I tend to look at screenshots or watch videos in amazement only to realize im apparently the only one amazed. Where as most people are complaining about jaggies, pixels and lower resolution. So maybe i just dont have an eye for those sorts of things and graphics just aren't a strong selling point for me. I think there is a difference between great looking games and great looking graphics and its obvious nintendo has the first of the two. So does 480p output automatically have a sealed fate often classified as "ugly or horrible" graphics? or am i not seeing what others are seeing?

Another thing that always comes to mind is the waggle effect. Its just that most wii complaints are from people who dont own a wii or have never played one. Once a statement is remarked it tends to steamroll into it being the truth and the land of the law and this very much applies to how nintendo handles their motion controls. First party motion controls have all been handled quite well as nintendo tends seems to keep it simple and only needed when necessary. Now i cant say the same for some 3rd party games and shovelware though. For some reason its overly used to the point of insanity. I guess since the wii's selling point is the motion controls devs think that maxing out the waggle will somehow help, which it never does. So this is the case with the steamroll effect, it becomes a generalization that applies to the entire system and library with no prior knowledge as to how the motion controls are implemented or if they even exist at all. Some games dont even have motion controls to begin with so im always confused as to how people complain about the waggle for certain games its not even included in. Secondly there are games that have unneeded motion or waggle but you can opt out with different control schemes such as wiimote sideways, classic controller or even some times a gamecube controller. So i do admit that you have to be somewhat knowledgeable as to what you're buying before you make that leap of faith and spend the money. There are various styles of input when it comes to the wii but its not all bad. You can find something with absolutely no motion controls or some with a mix of both. Its a varied experience. So dont worry, you dont have to fling you're arms around just to enjoy a great game on wii.

Now on to the games, which is where i become the most worried. The wii seems to be buried under tons and tons of shovelware and i dont think that will slow down anytime soon. Yet im not sure if gamers dont wanna take the time to sift through the garbage to find the great games or they just view the shovelware as a generalization of what to expect from the system. We all know of nintendos first party games. I have always highly enjoyed their games, but i can see where some one might not be interested in playing nintendos repeated first party games through and through. As they are severely lacking in new IPs. That leaves multiplats, 3rd party games and the dreaded shovelware. The case seems to be that 3rd party games and shovelware are almost one in the same, but theres more to it than that. Of course im not talking about mario or zelda here. What about the great games that dont have the brand loyalty to follow? I have played so many outstanding gems on the wii that i was dumb founded as to how certain titles have received little to no recognition from the gaming community as a whole. Were not talking the most amazing, must see, have to play games ever. Where talking about some outstanding, well built games that should be up there with the best this gen has to offer but sadly are forgotten or unheard of in favor of more blockbuster experiences. Is it because of the demographic or simply because the titles are so niche its hard to find a suitable audience? Im not sure but whatever the case may be its quite a shame to see such outstanding pieces of work going unplayed by the masses or, at best, being branded as a must avoid type of game. Even so, one thing they have done right is the virtual console. It has practically slowed to a crawl lately but still offers some of the best classics ever created for near bargian prices. That alone should be a pleasant welcome to anyone browsing through the library.

This to kind of goes hand in hand with games now and days, the online play. Or nintendos slow progression to adopt a system. Lets face its, the friend code is an atrocious way to bring the gaming community together and that showed very early on. Online wii play was pretty non existent but theres no doubt game devs have moved beyond that. The wii isnt an online hub by any stretch of the imagination, but when i go to play online it works just as great as any other ps3/360 games. Now granted i cant speak for everyone as im sure there are issues beyond what i am experiencing but ive played virtually problem free besides some lag every now and then. Im currently playing tatsunoko vs capcom and the online match making is quick and fairly pain free with stat tracking and a friends list. A few others in the past worked exceptionally well such as monster hunter tri and the conduit. Those games seemed to have a fairly large community, even today, so there were always plenty of people to play with or against.

I actually wanted to speak about the conduit 2 for just a moment as everything i have talked about so far sort of hits home with this game and it seems like a fitting example. For one, this game will be coming out soon and it will be complete with more game modes, maps, characters, weapons and customization than just about any other fps on the market. Yet its already being labled as "just another crappy wii game" and this is where i tend to get lost. FPS games are the most talked about and popular on the market so what am i missing when this game is trying to pack as much content as it possibly can onto one disk. Is it because the graphics are not up to par that the entire game gets thrown to the side? Its obvious im not smart enough to process the idea of shunning a game due to graphical limitation and content overload. The multiplayer aspect will be recieving patches, wii speak support and youre typical level up system. From what im seeing, its doing everything right and im not sure how they could improve so why discredit what is above and beyond? What happened to games being games? Its as if we are brainwashed into believing hd games with short 5 hour campaigns and 8 maps is acceptable. Since this gen started i still have not gotten used to that idea. So now that the conduit 2 is taking a different approach to what we see today it seems to already be going with out recognition and most likely will hit the bargain and die a sleeper hit like the rest of the wii greats.

Im not trying to convert you to a wii player or make you agree with my point of view. Thats not what this article is about. Im merely saying that gamers should give credit where credit is due regardless on how you feel. People are going to hate the wii no matter what which is really no different than anything else. You dont have to necessarily like or enjoy what the console brings to the table but some people should take a more objective, unbaised approach and appreciate the great things it does offer. It can be more than just a casual experience if you take the time to be knowledgeable of what it can do.

[BlmThug]

Wii Is Outdated, Casual Games, Shit Version Of PS Move, Crap Online, No Big Games Like Gta 4, La Noire, SR3

[christheredhead]

well see thats what i wanted to debate. Its outdated and not current with the times and has causual games but what about everyting else. Why is it it regarded as something that should be ignored on 2 flaws alone. Ps move now has casual games but is that somehow supposed to be ignored since it is less common? The motion plus remote works just as well as the move, which is how it should have been since day one. Yet since its nintendo of course they would wait it out over time. other than that the online is great. there arent many online games but they work fantastic so i dont think you have tried any of them out. same with big games. thats often subjective to the user. i often view nintendos first party games as the biggest releases of any year. there are games that should be big releases but just dont have the budget of the big hits. then people make comments and remarks like how you have stated making the games semm less worthy with out even trying the games first hand and merely basing opinions on pure speculation.

[ABizzel1]

I have all 3 consoles, and I have complaints for all of thme, but since this is about the Wii I'll stick with it.

Wii complaints.

1) The Wii isn't as fun to play by yourself to me. The Wii is definitely causal first, then hardcore, and the casual games are really fun and make up about 50% of my Wii library (Wii Sports, Wii Fit, etc...). But when you're alone the Wii is utterly boring. Generally there are about 3 hardcore games I buy for the Wii each year, and most of them are titles I can wait to receive price drops.

2) It's a Gamcube 1.5. Now I personally have no problem with the tech they used in the Wii. The Gamecube didn't sell as much as Nintendo wanted it to, so they literally recycled the tech and made the Wii aka Gamecube 1.5. The problem I had was chargin it for $250 with Gamecubes costing a mere $50 at the same time. Even now the Wii looks like a good deal with the free Motion Plus controller, Wii Sports, and Wii Sports Resort. But again this is tech from 2000.

3) Game variety on the Wii is slim. The majority of the good games are first party. There are the occasional break out third party title, but nothing compared to what comes out on the PS3 and 360. I'd say about 60% of my games are first party 35% are various party games, and the final 5% are third party.

4) Same old same old every generation. I like Nintendo franchise, but you can only enjoy them so much. They make the same games over and over and over and over and over and over again. It's usually not that bad, but now they come out with Part 1 and Part 2 on the Wii, and then you get the same games with Part 1 and Part 2 on the DS. I need something new from Nintendo besides and 2D/3D platformer. Bring some new franchises.

5) Online is god awful, unless the developer runs their own server.

6) The Wii Ware Store, has an awful layout. You can only see a couple of games per page, before having to scroll over to the next page. It's fine, but if you're just browsing and you want to make it to the P's then it takes FOREVER. Plus they need to add a lot more content on there, because the pickings are slim, and don't compare to PS3 or 360.

That's pretty much it. Overall I'm satisfied with the Wii now, at first I wasn't, but that was because I was comparing it to the PS3 and 360, and you can't. You have to take the Wii for what it is, a casual friendly, pick up and play, party system, that's also home to Nintendo's franchises. Once you look at it like that then it's all good.

[rockleex]

Its all about the games.

The only first party Nintendo games I've ever liked were Pokemon games. But it got ridiculously repetitive and over milked.

Then trying to find awesome third party games on the Wii is like finding needles in a haystack. Even when you find the great gems, they're nothing compared to PS3 and 360 games.

There's only two games on the Wii that I've ever been interested in. Xenoblade and The Last Story.

Other than JRPGs, PS3 has all the titles that capture my interest. And its not just about the graphics. Its the whole package that makes the Wii seem irrelevant.

You'll never find a game of Uncharted's caliber on the Wii. Not to mention all the other awesome games for the HD consoles.

[batterystrength]

Well, I don't particulary hate the Wii but I have to agree with BlmThug in some aspects.

First thing is the motion control, this is also the cause for all the hate towards kinect. All those motion systems are praised as the revolution in gaming. But just look at the wii. Do yo see any revolutionnary new games ? Or With kinect ? Or Move ? The answer is no. All you see is partygames and shovelware. Wow! I've never seen a ping pong game or a mario kart game. Motion control is just a fancy gimmick. It is not that the wii games are all bad and casual, it's the controller that makes them casual. You can't play with it for hours.

The great innovation this gen took place with the so called "dead" forms of gaming, good old controller based consoles and on the PC. We saw the rebirth of the Adventure with Havy Rain, a whole new genre with Little Big Planet, and even on the Xbox there are gems like Alan Wake or Forza for instance. The wii is a great party console, but true console gaming or PC gaming (depending if you prefer mouse/keyboard or the controller) will never die. Games are not meant to be played by dancing around like an idiot. Sit down, grab your controller, enjoy!

[pixelsword]

THAT'S the words I was looking for: motion controls are just a cheap gimmick. If I wanted to play virtual golf or tennis or ping-pong like batterystrength said I would just GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY THEM because there's not a lot of difference between Wii/Move ping-pong and real life in terms of motion. If I wanted to play on golf grounds or against NBA stars, then that's where games take over. I can't shoot-up a bunch of aliens but I can cook; so all the time I would be playing Cooking Mama I would be thinking "WTFudgenuggets? If I were doing this in real life, I'd have some #&$(#$! food by now!" And since when did cooking become a game for fun anyways? And don't say "What about FPS?" because that's always been for fun:

[mastiffchild]

Wii has the same control problems today as it had ay lauch-most devs haven't got their head around motion controls AT ALL. they should NEVER be a gimmick or used simply INSTEAD of trad controls and should only ever be used where they offer something new or better than what we had before. When they offer a gameplay experience superior or that could not be don e with a pad THEN we're on the right track.

Kinect has EVEN more of this issue so far and Move is in a similar, but more accurate, boat to Wii and M+. Even great Wii games like NMH1 and 2 didn't become any better because of the controllers-in fact they're among the biggest culprits of having waggle tacked on but the quality makes you ignore that fact. The real Wii heroes are games like Red Steel2 where the motion controls really make a difference and MP3 where a new FPS scheme was nailed first time by Ninty and Retro.

Deadly Creatures and a few other games(Zack and Wiki too) had decent uses for the control scheme and Sorcery looks top be the bravest and biggest step forward*(on Move) since then for the controller based motion controlled games, no? Boomblox had ths spirit on Wii as well. Games not possible with the same feeling on a pad-that's what we all dreamed of when we saw the "revolution". We expected 1:1 lightsabre fights, proper boxing(and I'm a convert to The Fight after [laying it, finally, with a good and daylit set up-it really was hated on because reviewers didn't bother levelling or setting up right. Maybe it's the fact that it's actually demanding on a physical level if you want to play it well that upset the reviewers? Whatever-with a more friendly interface it would be the best boxing game ever and as it is it's amazing when set up correctly and closer to what we should expect from motion controlled sport than anything on sprts Champions, Kinect sports or Wii Sports or SR.

As such the demands of gamers and reviewers are at odds wioth games that will really need physical input. those people do not wish for actual full body controls and are happier with waggle-even if they deny it. Sure games on Wii and Move and Kinect that need small accurate movements are valid too but the natural extension of motion control is the physical one-it's just another way, though, and should threaten nobody. the pad isn't going anywhere.

Seen as another limb of gaming and not as a gimmick-as in great, forward thinkng games like sorcery(we hope) everyone should see possibilities. Same with Kinect-if theres a way round the lack f an analogue stick and making games not be on rails the possibilities should be mouhwatering and not seen as gimmicky.

I like both. But I really like great games wherever they are and however they're controlled so long as the controls fit the game. A lot of the time on Wii(and now Move and Kinect) they don't and that's when it feels like gimmick and t need not and it's lazy devs cashing in.

[firefoxprime]

I too agree the Wii is outdated and shoved with stupid shovelware games. Yet I do admit that just like the PS3, there are some games that catch my eye. I will definetly play them down the road later. To be honest I have played maybe...70 different ps2 titles. With the ps3, maybe 20 games do I want to play.

For the Wii, I definetly want to play:

SSBB, The Last Story, XenoBlades, Capcom VS. T-somethin, No More Heroes 1&2, Conduit 2, and Sonic Colors.

Not enough to make me purchase a new system, but its a start.

[ultimablackmage]

I can say I don't play with my Wii as often as I'd like but that's because Nintendo promised an awesome virtual console line up and hardly updates it and most of the retail games are shovelware. I literally own only the best of Wii games and that mean I only own a total of 16 games on it.

I think why most people seem to hate on the Wii comes down to 3 things
1. Not enough games worth owning if you're a long time gamer.
2.It's got too many shovelware games and casual games on it.
3. It does have the current "hardcore" games people want on it.
I honestly wish the Wii would have turned out better then it did but the modern gamer only wants blood, violence and online multiplayer not fun, family gaming and motion controls.

[Godmars290]

Why, despite the fact that the gaming community at large aren't buying Wii titles - this is including Wii defenders - are Wii defenders calling such "hate?"

Why is everything black or white in fanboy mentality? Where are the shades of gray which are suppose to represent common sense?

[christheredhead]

there are some in betweens but the hate is just a one size fits all generalization of the attitude of the wii. this wasn't meant to come off as a fanboy rant but more as different perspective that i think some people overlook.

[ZombieAssassin]

Id have to say the thing I dislike about the Wii is the controls, now ive never been a fan of this motion control gimick an only really enjoyed it for onrail shooters and sword fighting type games (and golf occasionally). If they had a more standard controller somewhat like the Ps or Xbox controller I prolly could of got more into it (also good games that supported it) and I didnt care much for the controller pad they brought out.

As far as the games go their wasn't too much that interested me, I played all the mario games/house of the dead/Resident evil/Red steel/Monster hunter games when I had my Wii but besides that there wasn't too much I could get into and it was partly due to the controls of most other games i played at the same time though nothing on it seemed to interest me. I dont hate the Wii though i just see it as a lesser console for someone like me.

[Otheros00]

1. Nintendo promised good motion control - I get crap shitty gimmick motion controls
2. I get billions of shovleware
3. The wii is overpriced when it came out
4. a lot of the core games from nintendo are rehases
5. FRIEND CODES
6. Playing Online sucks
7. cannot transfer gamesaves
8. gamecube 1.5
9. Wii motion plus should of been part of the wii remote when the wii came out
10. Doesn't support my HD tv - stretching makes everything look bad

[theonlylolking]

Those 10 things are probably all the reasons why people hate the wii LOL.

[Arkhamz]

The wii wasn't overpriced,The ps3 was

[mastiffchild]

Both were overpriced and so was the 360 at l;aunch considering it didn't work-it's aone size fits all comp[laint with only Sony letting us know why their's was so dear!!

The thing I have to pull the blog up on is the online quote about it being as good as PSN or Live-Wiiconnect isn't ANY good at all. WaW was about th smoothest online experience for a shooter on Wii I've played and that was limited to 4 a side because of the system's limits and I gopt constant lag and disconnects even when everyone seemed to have decent connections! Even the best online performer(MKWii) has code put in to allow for lag-it predicts here yo are leading to you often thinking you were edged out only to find you won the race or vice versa! Annoying as hell alongside the rubber banding nature of blue shell hell. I've often crossed the line first onl;y to be displayed as third! Don't even start me on Brawl online! The only game that really orked well, and I only played at a mates as I'm not a MH fan was MH3 on Wii and I know Capcom did a hell of a lot to ensure it worked. Lord knows what they put into their own servers but everyone I know claims it's miles better than other online Wii games.

In short, though, the online component of most Wii games is crippled by the tate of Ninty's set up and C2 will be no different. Also not expecting a lot from that game after being badly let down by the first-it looks generic as hell nd that's little to do with the resolution as MP3 looked great three years back. Metroid Prime MP, though, is something that would have me on my Wii allthe time! they did it on DS for Hunters so why didn't we get it for MP3 on Wii? Never get that.

[Otheros00]

Anything that sells for a profit on launch is over priced. 3ds, ifad, iphone, and ifad touch are overprices. Ps3 is extremely under priced when it launch. Sony was selling ps3 for $300 less than what it cost to manufacture a ps3. So, how does that count as over priced?

[darksied]

I don't HATE the Wii but I do despise it. I see it as a shoddy piece of hardware with very little capability besides a gimmick or two.

-First: It's popularity (yes, that). The thing I hate about it being so popular is the hype behind it, and it's ability to sell just as a novelty item. When something is selling almost as a novelty or a fad, then I have to question people's judgment and what that money could have helped fun in the gaming world. I couldn't care less about sales, I just wish a lot of the Wii sales money went to quality developers who earn their it with quality titles.

-Besides a handful of games, the only good ones released on the system are 1st-party titles. Nintendo makes good games, but here's the thing: when's the last time Nintendo made a new good game franchise or IP? Something besides Mario, Zelda, or Metroid? Every time I see a new popular game come out on the Wii, it has Mario in it. They keep lying and saying, "the games are coming!" but guess what? They have not. I know there's been some good releases, but for the most part, "quality" developers stay away from it unless they have a casual game that sells well (i.e. Ubisoft). Why have they abandoned the system? On to my next point ...

-Nintendo has turned a blind eye to the Wii's support and security. The Wii is the easiest system to hack from what I have seen online, and it's pathetic. Nintendo knows their system is going to sell, and their 1st-party games will sell, and that's all they care about. When's the last time you read or say something that said Nintendo came out with a patch that stopped hackers from messing with the Wii? MS and Sony are at least trying. There have been some good games to come out on the system, but they get demolished because of piracy and the EASE at which someone can download and play a pirated game.

-Just the capability of HD would have increased the possibilities for 3rd party titles. Like you said, we have the tech to make great graphics, so there's no reason people shouldn't be trying at least. The Wii seems stuck back in time 10 years, holding onto that cartoony look that is now only reserved for indie and downloadable titles. The stories in a TON of NES games were just ... awful. Seriously, terrible story telling, terrible text with bad translation, etc. Nowadays that's mostly fixed, so why can't the bad graphics follow the same route?

-Online is bad.

-The motion control is a shot in the dark.

-Can't even play DVD's. It's now 2011. Can you tell me one piece of hardware that has a dvd drive that CAN'T play DVD's?

Why do most developers except for Nintendo get crushed on the Wii and abandon it? You can't have it both ways, wanting people to realize that there's quality games on the system, only to find that, yes, there was that quality game but it sold so poorly that the developer is now finished. PEOPLE WHO OWN WII'S ONLY BUY 1ST-PARTY TITLES. I myself don't consider a Wii game a quality game. I see a game on the 360 and the ps3, and then for the Wii. Which one do you think I will buy? A lot of it is graphics, but that's the world we live in now.

This isn't 1990. Until I see Nintendo even TRY to compete with the MS and Sony in terms of graphics, capabilities of the system, game titles, security, online play, instead of stagnating and cashing in at the same time... then I will avoid the Wii and any subsequent Nintendo system or game.

[christheredhead]

I think that nintendo has moved passed a lot of those complaints that you made. Well not necessarily nintendo but it seems like some devs are taking a different approach. Of course the wii will never be in hd and i doubt they will ever take security more seriously for the system but i think its grown from what it was in the past few years.

The online aspect of the wii is great. Not amazing but great. Not enough devs focus on the wii online aspect of games as titles are severely lacking. Yet friend codes are becoming non existent, at least for me. Its becoming streamless, for those games that offer it, to get into a match, play, and keep a friends list within the game itself. Granted you cant keep a friends list on the wii to see whos online and off but its a lot easier to get online with friends through the systems in the games themselves. Kinda like monster hunter, tatsunoko vs capcom and the conduit.

Suprisingly though my wii library only consists of 3, 1st party titles (both galaxys and DKCR). Like i stated there are an insane amount of underrated gems and those are the kinds of games i enjoy, even more so than just mario and zelda. Games like a boy and his blob, castle of shikigami iii, both no more heroes, muramasa, klonoa (ps1 remake), zack and wiki, etc. I mean i can keep going on and on. There are some great games that are pulling me away from what nintendo is doing and my next purchase will probably be epic mickey and goldeneye.

Now im not saying those are the must play, rush to the store and buy them kind of titles but games of that nature have quality right up there with any other AAA game on the ps3/360. Those are the kinds of games that have longevity and substance. The ones that can be played even years after release. Its just they go unnoticed. Its like unless they have the defining features of this gen they are sub standard. You made some valid points though that cant be argued against , well said.

[darksied]

You mentioned a few important things there: "Suprisingly though my wii library only consists of 3, 1st party titles." - Why is that? I'm not making fun or anything, my library is pathetic too, and I know about No More Heroes and how many people like it and all, but what's the excuse for people like you and me who own the system to not buy the good 3rd-party games for it? I can't explain it very well, but there's that feeling there that I'm not getting something as good as the AAA games on the 360 or ps3, so why bother? And No More Heroes, for example, just like you mentioned, is a GREAT game. I borrowed it from a friend, and it's awesome. I was disappointed to see the sales of the 2nd though ... I think in a month it sold like 90,000 copies or something ...

I won't comment on the online system; I've tried it in a few games, and it's given me problems and frustration. It migt be fine for you, but it doesn't like me.

I know there's quality on the system, and the fact that the games are $10 cheaper helps, but ... times are changing, like I said above. We don't have a 19" that we crowd around anymore (my brothers and I), passing the controller back and forth. We are in different states with our 40 and 50" televisions. I liked the NES and the SNES, but they're back there in history, and they should stay there. I want a system that will give me something new, NOT make me relive my childhood (those old games are fine there, in my memory; they should stay there). So accordingly, when I see a new preview of a game where Mario is jumping around and collecting coins YET AGAIN, I'm thoroughly disappointed. I mean, how much money can you milk a plumber for?

It might be bad reasoning, but Nintendo doesn't offer me anything new, except motion controls, which I don't care for. It's all about Mario nostalgia and remakes. Until they offer me something new and interesting, while taking advantage of some new technologies which I've invested in, I can't get excited about them.

[PirosThe4th]

No More Heroes both 1 and 2 are f-ing great!
Travis is the otaku version of Dante!! XD

At least the first one is out on PS3 ... The Japanese Version has English voices so I bought it. But the Second I played it on the Wii and it was awesome aswell... I just wished they moved from the wii... its showing its age...

[christheredhead]

hahah nah its all good, i dont take it personal or anything. I mean im not purposely skipping or passing the 1st party games in favor of 3rd party. Im familiar with nintendos lineup and what they bring so im never in the biggest rush to purchase their games straight way and i rather look for other alternatives. Even though i did buy both galaxys and dkcr day 1 and thats all its been from them for now.

Yet thats where we differ on a few key points. I look at the wii as something i can turn to when i want to play something new and interesting. Its obvious the games arent graphical showcases but on a gameplay level and even a technical level they are top notch and about the best you can get.

So ill run you through the list of games i own besides whats mentioned above. Sorry if the list is rather long but this should give you a good glimpse as to what is available. zack and wiki, madworld, batallion wars 2, rune factory frontier, monster hunter tri, tatsunoku vs capcom, a boy and his blob, de blob, boom blox, muramasa, castle shikigami III, arc rise fantasia, okami (ps2 remake), sakura wars so long my love (also a ps2 remake), klonoa, the conduit, fragile dreams farewell ruins of the moon, house of the dead overkill, little kings story and darkside chronicles.

i plan on purchasing these within the next few months...epic mickey, goldeneye, conduit 2, de blob 2, wario land shake it, and fire emblem.

Now granted theres still tons and tons of games that i didnt mention that are just as great and i will purchase at some point in my lifetime but that list contains some incredibly well made games. 2 of those games are ps2 remakes as i know thats bothersome for some as they would rather pass and play the newer games so i thought id mention it. Also note that almost all of those games except for a few have no waggle effect or even motion controls. A few of them have 1 or 2 segments where you shake the controller for an action and of course the shooting ones do as you point and shoot but there is nothing assigned to shaking the wii control wildly just to play the game. Which its often assumed that is automatically associated with everything wii related.

Now see those games dont have budgtes like uncharted and halo but most of those games go above and beyond in the gameplay and content department. I still play monster hunter tri even today as im around 80 hours in. Now this kind of goes back as to why these games become irreleveant by the general gaming community? wrong demographic? to much shovelware to sift through to find the games? cant stand sd? i mean there are endless reasons but regardless most of the time they still dont get the credit or recognition that is deserved.

I understand that mario gets milked as do most of nintendos 1st party games. There is such a loyal following of the mario brand that the name alone sells. Yet i feel like fps games are more milked this gen then all of mario combined. Thats just my opinion though. Overall though nintendo needs to catch up with the times. Even i feel this way but until then there are great games to play that are worthy of any gamers time. To discredit these titles is rather shallow in my eyes. They may not be what youre looking for but thats when you have to take an unbiased approach as to what it is they offer and leave it at that.

[InLaLaLand]

The graphics do not bother me (it will only bother me under the HDTV). I think its just the games that Nintendo show. The games do not look like they have replay value with the party games, you could have fun with it for an hour or so but you get bored. Yeah there is Zelda Twilight Princess (I own the gamecube copy) and other Nintendo first party titles.

Another thing is the media. Nintendo has always catered towards the family audience. The media make people feel insecure about themselves saying about obesity, health issues etc. You could say that Nintendo made the motion controls geared towards a weight loss equipment like the Wii Fit etc. No offence to any women on here but the only people that talk about the Wii in general is the women.

[pixelsword]

I don't hate the Wii, I just don't jibe with what they are trying to do. Graphically speaking, I already did what the Wii is trying to do so there's no motivation there for me. The motion controls were never a big seller for me; but even if they were, the sixaxis has motion controls. If I ever wanted to try them or change my mind about trying full-on m-controls, Move is cheaper than getting a Wii and Kinect is the new thing to try, so I don't really see the need for a Wii.

Funny, last gen I hated the PS2, liked the xbox, LOVED the PC, and respected Nintendo's gamecube; This gen everything's upended.

[andreasx]

because its a family game console, and because of the kinect the wii is shit... sorry to say fanboy!

[christheredhead]

sorry to say but im not a wii fanboy nor a nintendo fanboy. this blog post was just mainly an opinion piece of how i feel the wii deserves credit in certain areas and that the generalizations of the console have out shined any greats it has. im just trying to give credit where credit is due. you wont see me defending gimmicky controls or shovelware just cause its wii related.

Yet i dont think wii is shit just cause of kinect. Those are quite varied experiences with different features. Same style of games in a sense but 2 different ways to experience them. Kinect has some cool features like the voice operation and drop in/drop out gameplay. I think the wii has some cool features to that are more related to the games. Where as kinect lacks the substance for real true input, youll still find the same types of games kinect has but with more user button input than just a sort of body motion input. Where as the wii is the system to be able to play a whole range of games and kinect is just an add on specifically designed around casual family friendly games. You just wouldn't see things like epic mickey, monster hunter, the conduit, etc on kinect. The substance is missing.

Like i said, 2 different experiences that are vastly uncomparable. Both similar but both different.

[Arkhamz]

props to you for even writing about this on this website which is infested with irrational and illogical wii bashers. Imo it's a great console. @ to the guy saying "it's overpriced" are you fucking insane? did u see the price of the ps3 at launch?

[outwar6010]

but the ps3 offered sooooo much more and no one can deny that