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Oversensitivity and Social Statements

Okay, so I've been lurking and commenting on N4G for a relatively long period of time now. This is my first blog post, and it's something I've really wanted to talk about. This has turned out a little longer than I thought, so please bear with me.

To begin, I'll assume you've most likely heard about those feminists that constantly criticizing gaming for selective and petty reasons. Who demand that developers change their allegedly misogynistic portrayals of women in a fashion that could be called harsh, or even bullying in some cases? Yes, they exist and they are a problem. The years have gone by, and despite growing efforts to counter them up to this point, they've only gotten a greater hold over gaming up to the present. Now Anita Saarkesian, a particular feminist gaming critic in the spotlight for her "Feminist Frequency" series that was backed by a Kickstarter, is consulting on the new Mirror's Edge. Her full involvement with this relatively late follow-up to the 2008 cult classic is somewhat unknown, but we do know that she is advising on the (female) main character and has made some questionable comments about simplifying the game's controls for women, unfortunate implications abound. If this sort of thing is the growing trend, I'm concerned where it's going.

However, this blog isn't completely about that or even where its emphasis is. There is another irrational and biased sensitivity that is also growing. In a few senses, it could be seen as the inverse of what Anita & Friends are. It's when the fight against the aforementioned brand of political correctness and social justice gets too stuck up its own rear. Above, you will see a picture related to The Witcher 3. In case you didn't know, the character you see is named Ciri. She's a woman (obviously), bisexual, and incidentally the secondary playable character of The Witcher 3.

First, I'll skip to the point: My problem is when people immediately call the inclusion of this female playable character a politically correct attempt to placate feminists. This is not the first of this sort of accusation toward the developer, and it will not be the last. There is absolutely no evidence that Ciri was included for any other reason other than CD Projekt Red wanted it. She is a fan-favorite character from the books that The Witcher games are based off, she is a very important figure in the world and has a very strong tie to Geralt, the normal protagonist. All evidence available from The Witcher 3 suggests that the story is centered around her, as far as the tease from the original trailer for the game. Many people behave as if their knee-jerk reactions are evidence, but they are not. Playable female characters are not synonymous with feminist agendas, nor should that be the attitude.

Next, there are other examples. There was a blog posted on the Dragon Age site (which is available to view) about a character, Dorian, who was gay. People overreacted and thought the blog was flaunting that fact and 'forcing it down peoples' throats,' when only two of the twelve Questions-Answers brought it up and in relevance to what it means for his overall character and backstory. This caused some bad blood and banter on Twitter, and some even implied that Bioware intentionally choose those question and answers so they could call everyone who objected to the blog information in any way homophobic. Suffice it to say, I don't think this made gamers look friendly or sensible. I've also seen gamers express death-wishes toward SJWs and feminists (and vice versa), like in a post on GameFAQs on the Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel board that said the SJW themes in the game were made up for by the opportunity to kill characters like them... Which is just utterly wrong.

Last examples, and a relatively small ones. I've heard many non-white characters being accused of being token, like Jacob from Mass Effect 2 or even Sahz from Final Fantasy XIII. Does the skin color of a few characters automatically warrant such response? It's always under the idea that these characters didn't "need" to be non-white, which is frankly a ridiculous and un-winnable argument of semantics. I also recall some discussions I've that about Transistor. Two of the villains are male and married together, and I guess there's a transsexual character mentioned in the data logs. Now I'm all for consumers choice and people can choose to dislike or not buy a game for whatever reason they have, but some calling the developers social justice warriors and politically correct is too much. We don't know the people from SuperGiant Games, or why they included what they did. Nor should we pretend we do.

So, idiots jumping the gun and making weighty and serious accusations based off biased attitudes and ignorant assumptions. Sound familiar? This a similar behavior that feminists will often employ against sexy female characters or lack of female characters. Just as feminists have no evidence that the developers are misogynistic, these gamers have no evidence that the developers aren't doing what they want to.

Now, one might argue that this isn't prevalent or at least not a big problem. But I very much think it is. Browsing sites like GameFAQS, Twitter, and N4G I see this stuff more than actual social justice warriors, although they usually come to counter it most often do a poor job arguing their points (often resorting to name-calling). We gamers have a fight to win, and our image is a very important part of that. These examples feed the idea that we're irrationally phobic about characters that aren't straight white males, turn off developers who are tired of these accusations directed at their integrity, and give SJWs more ammo against us. We have no trump sympathy card that can turn any debate into victimization, or any blatant offense into an excusable symptom of a tragically frustrated plight. We can't play the same condescending victim-outrage game as them, because we will lose. I believe this topic deserves more attention than it gets, which is close to none. I criticize because I care.

Upon reflection, the core problem at all this kind of stuff? Sensitivity. Too much of it, specifically. Both sides are too riled up and they keep each other riled up. Absolutely everything regarding female (or other minority) character must be construed into a social gesture or statement, because of course that's the only major factor in creative decisions. I'd hate to be a developer nowadays, because I feel like I'd absolutely have to walk on eggshells to not be accused of being a misogynist, a politically correct coward, or a tool for a social agenda. The hard-working people who make our games for us deserve better than these irrational and ignorant shots, if not outright slander, against their character. What developers have is an un-winnable situation where there is no escape from being ignorantly criticized. It is not the responsibility of developers to be inclusive or un-inclusive in any way, and either decision they make is fine. Everyone is too sensitive to just let these decisions be respected concerning the addition or lack of minority characters, and take them for the relatively small elements that they are; they're nothing worth all this drama.

Maybe some gamers are just angry and resentful about everything that has happened in recent years, so they want to play a "contra-SJW" mindset that can be as irrational and ignorant? Maybe gamers are paranoid? Maybe histrionics is just how the internet always works? A mix of all these possibilities? Some gamers are quite reasonable and intelligent, so keep in mind I'm not trying to generalize.

Whatever the case, if gamers want to overcome third-wave feminism and social justice warriors, then we're going to have to be a lot more intelligent and mature than than what we're fighting. We cannot use the same cheap tactics and behaviors, because they do not work for us. And, most of all, we cannot feed and help perpetuate this venomous war of militant resentment and condemnation that stifles the progress we want. If feminists and SJWs keep up the pace, they'll keep infecting gaming more and more. A war of words should be won with reason, not rage.

(I hope you found something useful to consider in this blog. Thanks for reading.)

annoyedgamer3419d ago

CD project RED has always been edgy and they did it on their own will and I commend them for it. I love the Witcher and the story is believable.

Dragon Age is the opposite of believable.
I hope TW3 sells well but EA did a good job paying off journalists and the Game Awards so we will have to wait and see.

Blacklash933419d ago (Edited 3419d ago )

Any opinions about CDPR's or Bioware's believability or quality are irrelevant. This has to with the integrity of the people making our games. Without evidence that they didn't do what they wanted to, which should be the core virtue of it all, we can't assume anything. We can dislike or question the creative decisions that developers make, but ultimately we have to respect them. Gamers tend to immediately resort to shots at character as a knee-jerk response, which is something I'm arguing needs to stop.

As for the game awards, I'm not really sure why you're bringing that up or what that really has to do with The Witcher 3 selling well (it did in Most Anticipated, which is all it could really do being unreleased). Whether or not EA actually paid them off has no substantial evidence backing it up, and there are many other reasons that could be argued concerning why Dragon Age won GOTY (including that the pickings were relatively sparse this year, and that TGA are driven much by popular and trendy appeal, judges themselves were biased, etc). Don't confuse biased and ignorant assumptions with damning evidence of such weighty allegations, because they are not.

annoyedgamer3419d ago (Edited 3419d ago )

Integrity is a big thing for me. EA Owns Bioware and they have no integrity so you can see where I was going with that.

CD Project Red has included strong females and homosexual characters in their games before. Have they gotten a circus of liberal political watch dogs running countless stories and articles about it? Nope. What DID happen was they got attacked by SJWs with another bogus claim that their Cyberpunk 2077 trailer was sexist.

But EA shoe horns in a load of extremely offensive and stereotyped gay and lesbian characters and they are greeted with gushing SJWs across the internet.

See now we have a set of ground rules. Set forth by the SJWs

Female, gay, and transsexual crafters WILL be present in every game. Even those where it detracts from realism i.e. war games.

All PC characters WILL be "good" they cannot be demonized i.e. Cyberpunk 2077.

This is a willful attempt at censorship. Do as I say and we MIGHT leave you alone. Do what you want? Get slandered to hell.

Free to do as one pleases..unless he violates the rules governing his every move then he is persecuted.

Almost all major developers are now issuing "statements" claiming they will be more "sensitive" to gender bias. This is no willful decision especially coming of the heels of GamerGate backlash. If it was willful they would have no need to issue any statements and just continue making games as always. They are afraid of backlash and are bending to political demands by the mob od SJWs.

This gender-equality nonsense is completely political because those demanding it are not even gamers. To make matters worse they somehow shoe-in the cis/white/straight/male tagline into the mix as well claiming racism, "homophobia" and "transophobia" at the same time. Ridiculous. And shortly after the backlash a number of "journalists" publish false articles claiming male gamers are a minority. (Clever timing I know). These forms of arguments are cut and pasted directly from liberal political arguments here in the USA. There is not even an attempt to reform it so that it suits better.

Also in regards to the Game Awards, I see what you are saying but EA literally had 2 performances for their titles and DA3 was mentioned and had nods throughout the show whereas other titles were mentioned once and forgotten. That annoyed me because they should have had equal time.

Blacklash933419d ago (Edited 3419d ago )

I'm well aware of everything you have brought up, and by all means I realize it's a problem. I completely agree, and don't mistake that I'm against GamerGate or that I support feminists or anything, because I'm not.

"CD Project Red has included females and homosexual characters in their games before. Have they gotten a circus of liberal political watch dogs running countless stories and articles about it? Nope."

I'm quite sure this is because The Witcher series isn't as "mainstream" as anything EA have put out. There's far less marketing and thus attention given toward it, in general. I agree the press runs too wild with these kinds of stories and bloats this stuff up, which is part of the problem.

mixelon3419d ago

Also sticking a few gay and strong female characters into something as funny and potentially awkward as the Witcher (1) isn't going to get anyone to dismiss the other issues.

.. I thought the collectable sexytime cards were awesome personally but I can totally see why others wouldn't, and would consider CPD a bit silly regarding gender issues. XD They improved greatly in the sequel, obviously.

Halo2ODST23416d ago

what's bad about choice & variety, and i think Bioware does this in a good way, without making it look like they're trying to push "Social Progression" on us in which can ruin the medium for being unbelievable, the BBC is terrible with this, whenever they do a historic show, they just go ballistic with this "Social Progression" and it just comes of as completely unrealistic

kingdip903419d ago

I haven't seen anyone in the social justice circles demanding that the objectification of women in games stop, I've seen them ask for the space to be more "inclusive" but I haven't read every article out there so I could be very wrong.

What I have seen however is feminists that suggest video games (and other media like commercials and tv) teach children and adults to objectify women and as such are a cause of sexism. ( http://www.feministfrequenc... here is a video on how gender bias commercials teach sexism)

Of course this is insulting for a couple of reasons. Mainly because we as gamers are not sexist just because of the media we consume that's just ludicrous.

If game devs are putting more women/ethnic minorities into games just to placate the social justice crowd then that would just be sad... shoehorned characters tend to be more offensive than none of a minority at all.

I hope you are right and the female added to the Witcher is well fleshed out and doesn't feel shoehorned in.

annoyedgamer3419d ago

Call me a CD Project Red fanboy. This is not the first non straight character in their games and it will not be the last. I have full faith this character was added though the creative process.

This is one of the benefits of foreign studios in poor countries. They don't have over-privileged political mobs. They are (in a way) more free than people on the "free" and richer areas of the world.

Blacklash933419d ago (Edited 3419d ago )

"If game devs are putting more women/ethnic minorities into games just to placate the social justice crowd then that would just be sad... shoehorned characters tend to be more offensive than none of a minority at all."

My problem brought up here is that gamers often tend to immediately jump to this conclusion at every instance, which I find just as annoying and ignorant as feminists criticizing gaming in a similar fashion. Ciri is the latest example of this, which is why I bring her up.

Developers should have their creative decisions respected and accepted as the natural default by gamers, if anyone, instead of met with irrational knee-jerk reactions that want to construe everything concerning female and minorities characters as part of a social agenda. In this behavioral sense, some anti-feminists are no better than actual feminists.

We need to separate the social politics from gaming, including our own. Feminists and SJWs look for sexism and discrimination everywhere, but we should not reciprocate that nonsense and look for feminism and SJWs in everything.

I expected it, but I can already see I'm going to have trouble keeping the emphasis and discussion on this subject. This emphasis of this blog is not about criticizing feminists and SJWs; plenty others have taken up that task; it's about gamers being able to criticize themselves and act better than them.

kingdip903419d ago

I agree with you completely, it's definitely an issue with two sides.

The creative freedom of game devs is what should be paramount and let's hope that it can remain uninhibited.

Godmars2903419d ago

How do you not see direct correlation to feminist pointing out female objectification in media, and them wanting it to stop? That is literally asking what is two plus two.

I mean if Anita Sarkeesian see the reveal of Shamus at the end of the very first Metriod as only something to fuel male sexual fantasy, then she has serious problems.

kingdip903419d ago

I agree it's a safe assumption to make but they haven't explicitly said it yet. I agree that their agenda seems to be one of *fixing* society by getting rid of media that teaches sexism.

But assumptions are just that. Sadly until I find something concrete where someone such as Anita says this needs to stop in gaming then I can't state that it's fact. Of course in the video I provided she says that commercials aimed at children that teach sexism have to stop so making the connection is easy enough but leaving room for critics of me and my observations isn't an option given how "passionate" people get over topics like this.

DragonKnight3419d ago

You haven't seen them demanding it stop? Every video Anita Sarkeesian does is subtle public shaming designed to make it stop. Gaming has been inclusive for 40+ years, so the idea of making it more inclusive begs the question of "more inclusive than what?"

Feminists that suggest that video games and other media teach children and to act in any negative way have ignored stuff like, you know, facts, scientific peer reviewed studies, decades of research. They're completely irrational.

kingdip903419d ago

I've seen it implied bit not stated explicitly. I am every bit as skeptical and critical as you are with Anita trust me I am just trying to stay objective so that those who criticize my point of view have less legs to stand on.

kingdip903418d ago

http://www.feministfrequenc...

In this video she does however literally say the nativity story is an assault on women and reduces them to their biological usefulness.

Frankly I'm shocked she hasn't been figuratively torn to pieces for the things she has said

DragonKnight3417d ago

People have tried. But she hides from all criticism and surrounds herself with the members of her echo chamber. Basically, it's a huge "finger in ears going lalalalalalalala" situation.

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Deadpool6163419d ago

Are you people having a civil conversation in the comment section without any name calling, trolling, or belittling? What do you think this is...Real life?! I mean this is a really nice and thought out blog written by someone with common sense, but COME ON! Common sense?! COMMON SENSE?! Is that what it comes down to? ᶦᵗˢ ᶫᶦᵏᵉ ᴵᵐ ᶰᵒᵗ ᵉᵛᵉᶰ ᵒᶰ ᵗʰᵉ ᶦᶰᵗᵉʳᶰᵉᵗˢ⋅⋅⋅⋅

Alright! I'm putting my foot down! If someone doesn't make this conversation go to PURE CRAP, like every other comment section by the time I count to Three, you will all be held responsible for breaking the natural laws of the internets.

ONE! ....

TWO! ....

....o_o ...

I mean it!

It will all fall apart!

....Brace yourselves! DX

Amuro3418d ago (Edited 3418d ago )

they are patronicingnice blog and everything but if you been a gamer for a few years then you know about the never ending fanboy war. This is a hot topic that has been hot for years and years and there is no stop to it. Well, the same thing will happen with the "politically correct" discussions. They are here to stay because feminists and SJW's will not back down and gamers will never stop fighting back just like we never stop fighting about which system is better. Thus prepare for some bitter disappointment my friend because gamergate it's testament to what I'm saying. On top of it, this is a war that has become profitable to both sides which only encourage its continuation.

At this point the only way to press forward it's by ignoring everything and just buy the games you care about. That's the only thing you can do.

From my perspective I enjoy the drama and I'm a full time SWJ hater. I'm a weaboo by nature, thus my fav games are 90% of the time Japanese. Japan doesn't care about this stuff so the outcome of these arguments don't affect me at all unless they start mass censoring every western release. Because it has already happened before with a few games, the latest example being when SWJ's and feminists were rallying to attack X-seed for the use of the word "tranny" on a game called: Akiba's Trip. Funny thing is that most of the transgender community when asked about it said that they didn't even care. But still, the SJW's and feminists, most of who happen to be white and upper class, are always getting out of their way to defend the rights of the minorities. And as a latino myself comments like this piss me off:

https://twitter.com/radical...
https://twitter.com/radical...

Because when you don't agree with them it doesn't matter if you're a woman or a minority or whatever, they just ignore you all together like you don't exists and then come up with insults like: internalized-misogyny or that you been indoctrinated... That stuff to me is very patronizing. Because I always try to see the person not the color of his skin or race or gender or whatever. But since most of the stuff I read on the internets it's American press then some of that stuff is starting to stick to me and I hate it.

And like I already said above, this is SJW's diversity: http://www.gamespot.com/api...

Blacklash933418d ago (Edited 3418d ago )

"From my perspective I enjoy the drama and I'm a full time SWJ hater."

What I'm getting at with this blog is that the drama itself is a cancer on gaming, period. SJWs are more in the wrong with their typical viewpoints and arguments, but anti-SJW gamers also significantly contribute to this over-sensitivity and political correctness that is dividing the gaming industry and community into this platitude-spewing, resentful, and paranoid verbal war over fictional characters. It's irrationality, ignorance, pettiness, and utterly poisonous. We can't help perpetuate this because, for one, SJWs are in a far more convenient and effective position on the levels of hate, ignorance, and drama while we are not. It's also extremely immature and completely unfair to the developers who make our games.

It's pretty clear at this point that both sides are far more enthusiastic and concerned over criticizing each other, and not themselves. But this is ,in fact, a problem that is relevant to everyone who have even felt the urge to make a harsh judgment concerning social groups in games based on a shallow observation/assumption. We must be rational and objective, critical of both our opposition and ourselves, to achieve true fairness and progress. Just because SJWs may not be able to realize that, doesn't mean we can't.

SweetIvy3417d ago

I don't really know about this person, but when you mention "simplifying the game's controls for women" it gives me the shivers.
Incidentally it's also the opposite of feminism.

I am not a female gamer, I am a person that loves and enjoys games. I want developers to put their best in their games and play on the fields they're most comfortable with.

Woman are sensual, woman can easily be sexy or seductive. I don't see it as a problem, I see it as an aspect of womanhood. I appreciate it and love female characters that are sexy :). Not everyone shares my visions, so be it, but I don't like these people to self-elect themselves as paladins for all women. We are not all alike: as women, as persons.

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