Microsoft, Universal and Paramount have sought to defend HD DVD from the onslaught of defections and rumours that have dogged it since the start of the year.
They've lost Warner Brothers, New Line Cinema, that Porn Company, HBO,that other company that just left today....Constantin.... thats ALOT. This is damage control to the highest degree.
Hollywood to HD DVD's defence. This is why 70% movies are now BD exclusive This is why Universal and Paramount announced NOTHING for HD DVD at CES 2008 This is why P & U would become BD exclusive in the COMING WEEKS
Ken Graffeo is an idiot. They pay him God knows how much money to make those kinds of decisions for his company?? I'll take his gig and have Universal doing better in their Hi def home sales in one month.
Just give it up already!
""This is just a rumour, both Universal and Paramount are continuing to produce movies in HD DVD," said Ken Graffeo, executive vice president of High Definition Strategic Marketing at Universal Studios Home Entertainment" They said the same thing to warner and Warner also confirm neutrality. Out of sudden, Warner pulled the eject seat. I'm pretty sure another one will pull the eject seat pretty soon too
"Microsoft said it has no plans to do any such thing, and that it believes HD DVD to be the best format for us consumers..." 'nuff said. Microsoft always knows best.
HD-DVD is dying REALLY fast. or they wouldn`t even be commenting on the matter.
to put your patrons through hell? What kind of company is this? This is a serious question!
ZUNE flopped MYSQL flopped JAVA still trounces C++ among core programmers MS WORD 2007 refuted for being too complex VISTA never took off over 300 000 HD DVD addons for X360 now ends in garbage MS decision to side HD DVD has severely hurt X360 @DLACY keep dreaming. AND WITNESS THE POWER OF SONY and PS3 :) @zonetrooper I am a programmer and this is why i will not SHUT UP I am better than you in any objet oriented programming language. You shut up u XTARD. MS released Visual C++ which is just a rendition of C++ but JAVA is platform independent . V C++ is not. C ----i never liked that so i dont use it . MySQL obtained support from MS and caused DBMS errors in big corporations who have now abandoned it completely . ZUNE touted as IPOD killer cuased millions for MS. even it has obtained the AWARD OF ONE OF THE WORST GADGETS from CNET(MS own CNET). MS word 2007 --not hard at all. The icons are so wayward that an AVERAGE JOE might take years to find the PRINT ICON .This is why most universities and institutions reverted to MS WORD 2000 from 2007 @tk MySQL and C++ were initially non MS products. BUT NOW MS is supporting both of them like HD DVD (MS released their own VISUAL C++) . MySQL is good for small DATABASES. However only ORACLE is appropriate for complex DATABASES. big corporations like SHARP and PANASONIC lost million due to data inconsistencies related to MySQL. Perenguin (a defunct Japanese company) also blamed MySQL for their debacle .MySQL is NOT USED anymore BY BIG COPPORATIONS but is confined to small retailers/food chains for their SIMPLE and SMALL DATABASES C++ is not MS product BUT a modified VISUAL C++ is @360 RULES MS is now officially supporting MySQL as THEIR OWN PRODUCT http://dev.mysql.com/tech-r... MS is the maker of VISUAL C++ (modified version of original C++) http://msdn2.microsoft.com/... http://msdn2.microsoft.com/... Visual studio comes equipped with Visual basics,C++ , Frontpage etc MS acquired these products over time. They didnt necessarily INVENTED the original product
How is MS putting their patrons through hell? By not offering a Blu Ray add-on...that is putting them through Hell? Their gaming system is totally independent of this format war. There is an add-on for HD-DVD but its just that...an add-on that has zero effect on gaming. How is this hell for MS patrons? you said it was a serious question so I ask for a serious response as to how you see this being "hell" for MS patrons...or is this just a fanboy comment from you after all? @Tanod....how in the world is this HD-DVD issue hurting the 360? Does the 360 rely on HD-DVD....did I miss something along the way? Nah didnt think so. Oh and btw...you claim all these MS things "failed"...but for each of those items there are probably 10+ from MS that have had success. Oh and Vista flopped? Not really ...its a slow adoption rate for sure...but its going on more and more PC's every day especially all the new PC's in the market. And to the rest who may flame me for defending MS. Look I get that Blu Ray is going to win out. I do, I think its just a matter of time. However...I dont see MS stating basically the same thing that Universal and Paramount said is any different. They are saying what they need to say for the time being (contractually, etc..)
no. by still telling their consumers that HD-DVD still has a chance. its WRONG.
#6.1 and 6.3. This is not partisan fanboy rhetoric. This is a serious question. There is a record of bad, bad recent decisions here and they seem not to be able to admit such in the throes of great hubris. From DVD, to HDMI, to Wi-fi, HDTV's, HD-DVD to Blu-ray gaming and adoption of the format - they have been wrong, wrong, wrong about how things would develop in the nex-gen race. Now it has really come to a head and yet they *still insist HD-DVD is the best choice? Ok, it's your choice brother, not mine. Defend & stand by them all you want, but I wouldn't tolerate it personally. But different strokes for different folks.
well said. @dlacy and maddens the was a GREAT n4g moment. lol. everyone FTW
That was a totally fair response from you and while I may not agree with you I can and do appreciate the non-fanboy response. We can agree to disagree. @Maddens +bubble to you. :)
Maddens raiders: I'll try to answer your question, please make of it what you will. This war was far from undecided up until about a week or so ago. 93% of all BR players on the market were ps3's, well over 50% of all ps3 owners didn't even know it played BR. The average attach rate (movies owned by ps3 owners) was .6 meaning most BR owners don't even own more than the free movie that came with it. The average HD-DVD owner owned 6 movies. I've been spitting this stat out all over the place and its not new information, but it puts things into perspective. HD-DVD consumers were on average purchasing more than their BR counterparts. The thing that tipped it in BR's favor was that a small fraction of BR owners (a small fraction of 4 million is still HUGE) were buying BR movies. Although it wasn't much, it was still enough to outsell HD-DVD every week of the year. Here's another rumor: FOX and WB were going to go HD exclusive this year and it was going to be announced this year at CES. FOX backed out at the 11th hour, and warner in turn followed. This format war came down to the wire. Nothing was as clear cut as either camp made it sound. I can't honestly say I agree with your statements about making bad decisions. In my mind it seemed the average HD consumer chose the other side, but the studios didn't. You can't deny the potential of having 4-5 million players already out there, I guess thats what the studios looked at.
You said ...VISTA never took off ...you said in response to my comments: @DLACY keep dreaming. AND WITNESS THE POWER OF SONY and PS3 I say to you ... See for yourself the success of MS and VISTA in SONY products... EVERY VAIO laptop computer listed is coming packed with VISTA.... http://www.sonystyle.com/we... same for VAIO desktops... http://www.sonystyle.com/we... Feel the Power of Sony....with Vista! ;)
"Here's another rumor: FOX and WB were going to go HD exclusive this year and it was going to be announced this year at CES. FOX backed out at the 11th hour, and warner in turn followed. This format war came down to the wire." That is nothing but a Net messageboard fairytale.
TANOD MySQL is not a MS product. It is actually doing great. The most installed SQL server is Sqlite, and on most web servers MySQL is offered, or Postgresql. You must be thinking of MS SQL Server. But it is not doing bad. It is actually not a bad product (although it was developed from Sybase code that they bought) and is doing well in the market.
"MS released Visual C++ which is just a rendition of C++ but JAVA is platform independent . V C++ is not. C ----i never liked that so i dont use it." --What's your argument... C++ (which you mentioned first, not VC++) is just as platform independent, was developed 20+ years ago, and NOT by MS "MySQL obtained support from MS and caused DBMS errors in big corporations who have now abandoned it completely." --NOT Microsoft's product. Owned and developed by MySQL AG in Germany. "MS word 2007 --not hard at all. The icons are so wayward that an AVERAGE JOE might take years to find the PRINT ICON .This is why most universities and institutions reverted to MS WORD 2000 from 2007" --Purely your opinion. I don't use MS Office, so I won't give my own $0.02. The only one I'll give you is the flop of Zune.
1. Please give a reference to your MS+MySQL connection... 2. C++ was the dominant language used for probably more than a decade, and is still used to a good extent. Java was developed much later, and is in many aspects a move forward in the evolution of computer programming. Computer programming has tended to evolve to higher-level programming (historic: C,asm,etc. | modern: Java,C#,Python,etc.) It is really no wonder that the industry would evolve too, and newer languages would be more frequently used. 3. Okay, so you're a programmer? Credentials? Write us a recursive function that counts to 10. EDIT @TANOD: -- http://dev.mysql.com/tech-r... This is your evidence to suggest that Microsoft supports MySQL??? It's a migration plan away from MS Access. First off: It is a migration plan/toolkit developed and maintained by MySQL, not Microsoft. And second: This is not unusual for a company to offer migration services from their competitors. Microsoft offers migration services away from Linux, would you say that Linux is a Microsoft product because of this fact?
@TANOD Your ignorance and blatant bias is disturbing..... and this comes from a PS3 owner.
Hollywood...lol. HD DVD needs the other 90% of movie studios to consider "Hollywood" defending them.
blabady, blah, blah, blah!
Jesus Christ, just accept defeat.
HDDVD is dead and Micro$oft are clinging onto the decaying corpse as though its a cure for RROD HaHaHaHaHa!!!!
its just a way for MS to push for their HD downloads agenda while the two disc based formats fight it out
The "HD Download agenda" isn't a Microsoft monopoly man. *LOTS* of people stand to benefit and make money with downloads. Just like music, most people bought music and now download it - movies will follow suit just a little more slowly. Further more there's nothing wrong with MS casting two bets, one for HD-DVD while continuing to offer the marketplace downloads. One is actually wildly successful while the other... well...
we will see how serious universal is after their contract expires at the end of the month. Universal can't really confirm or deny anything up until then. My guess is that they will, and should jump ship.
i think HD DVD will still continue cause of M$ they going to anything even the craziest thing just to save the HD DVD, expect that to M$... and feel sorry for HD DVD... go blu!!
I'm not sure about that. I think MS could have done *much more* to help the standard. For example if they were really backing this thing 100% they would have put an HD-DVD drive in the xbox much more quickly. They would have also thrown a lot more money at the studios to go exclusive. MS authored the vc-1 codec and they surely backed HD-DVD, but I don't think they are going to rock this thing till the wheels fall off or anything. I really hope they offer a combo add-on before the year is out.
The funny thing is...this wasn't and never has been MS's fight to win. People just assume that MS is man behind HD-DVD. Far from it. MS is a partner of Toshiba and one of MANY companies including the likes of Universal, Warner, etc. who were part of the HD-DVD coallition. This is Toshibas baby...its their fight to lose. MS will not really lose anything if/when HD-DVD collapses. Toshiba is the company the errored with the studios...not MS. Well...thats my personal opinion. And I agree and dual format add-on would be nice...but at this point I think they are done with any new add-on. For sure the next xbox will have a blu ray drive in it unless something goes drastically wrong with the format war as it stands today.
They probably could have put a HD-DVD in the 360 but that would have raised the price of the console, negating one of their advantages over the competition. I also think that they are banking on Digital Distribution and just need to buy tie until download speed are fast enough for Movies(It takes me a couple of days to download a movie and I live in the US).
and HD-DVD movies is provided and licensed by Microsoft. They were aiming to make a LOT of money off of the HD-DVD format, much more so than any one member of the BDA. They have a lot to lose if HD-DVD falls to the floor, which it's obviously doing.
well probably your right that MS only collided with toshiba but the thing is if HD DVD looses its going to be a hard time for MS to cope up cause most of there software has been release in HD DVD and they also selling HD DVD drives for 360's, and by switching to BD i thing lots of there consumer will get tick off cause another expense to the 360 owners. doesnt really matter to me if they switch cause that will be also a good thing for them it just that they should made a lot of reaserch before colliding with HD DVD but i cant blame them though
completely agree with you there man: this was NOT MS's fight. I've been trying to remind the sony fanboys they need to direct their rage at Toshiba and NOT MS, but not many listening there. I find it interesting that most people sided with BR out of their dislike for MS even though MS was kind of just placing their vote and then continuing on with business as usual. Their marketplace has been killing most other download services out there and they are making money hand over fist off it.
WRONG none of the software MS has been releasing for the XBOX 360 has been hd-dvd. Hence the add-on for movies only.
how? so when all studio went Blu. Steve Ballmer gonna take up an acting class and start filming action movie. Now's that what I called Crazy.
well i said most of MS software, so it doesnt mean that im only talking the 360, well sorry if you miss understood my grammar or i type it wrong. lol peace.
Some people just don't know when they've been conquered.
but MS should know that if they were to release external blu-ray players for the 360 that they could at least neutralize the <B>threat</B> of ps3 overtaking it, because it is not only a game system but also an updatable blu-ray player. not only this but its not like they have to drop their support for HD-DVD but they could offer the consumers other solutions and allow them to decide for themselves what format they want, but at this point its obvious that HD-DVD is done for... Microsoft needs to look towards the future and sure they say that downloadable content is the future but their hard drives for the 360 are so expensive that no one will want to have to buy a bigger one to store their downloaded HD movies on it, and downloading them time and time again is such a waste of time
For me it really does not matter because I feel my HD DVD addon was still a good deal at $127 (plus six free movies - King Kong and 5 other HD DVDs). I have Heroes Season one on HD DVD plus 300 and a few other movies that will continue to work and continue to look good in HD. My PS3 will just have to be the source of future HD movies- I would be upset if I paid $500 plus on an HD DVD player that will eventually offer no new addition content....
The problem is that Blueray and Hddvd sell squat and if it was not for sony jamming it down your throat on the PS3 this thing could of easy have went the other way. DVD will surfice for the main stream audience for a long time and thats where the sales will be, so seeing Blueray or another format even cut into those sales will be about the time digital downloads take off.
They gave game developers the storage capacity that they needed for today's titles. Even developers like Insomniac were running out of space on Dual-layer DVDs back in the PS2 days. Blu-ray's good for movies, but I'm glad it's there for games. You should try out Uncharted; the game's about 24GB, and definitely shows it off.
"DVD will surfice for the main stream audience for a long time and thats where the sales will be." So a long time is what a year or two too you? Because that is when the FCC mandate will go into effect...February '09. After that, any standard 4:3 tv set will require a set top box to receive a signal, also take that most of the major retailers are no longer selling 4:3 tv's for the 16:9 or HDTV sets. If you have ever watched a standard DVD on a HDTV, your view would change drastically. Even upscalled, some movies look great, most movies look like crap! And I don't agree with your statement of Sony forcing BD down on us. It was a very wise move on their part for the Next Gen of gaming. Do you honestly think that Microsofts next gen system will use a standard DVD? DO YOU?
plain and simple. Warner delivered the final blow.
I dont hate Sony and I feel they made a good move for us as gamers for the capacity of the hard disc was running low but for the main stream its going to be alot tougher sale to get everyone any time soon to change there librarys over when upscaling DVD's and Digital TV signals look pretty decent to alot people.
Most of my friends who don't know much about technology and would be considered mainstream could care less about Hd movies at this point because upscaling looks fine to them. That being said most of them are considering upgrading to an HD player next year when they think it'll matter. Of course for all the people who feel this way, you have a similar amount of people who will buy HD movies now.
"ZUNE flopped MYSQL flopped JAVA still trounces C++ among core programmers MS WORD 2007 refuted for being too complex VISTA never took off over 300 000 HD DVD addons for X360 now ends in garbage MS decision to side HD DVD has severely hurt X360 @DLACY keep dreaming. AND WITNESS THE POWER OF SONY and PS3 " Your not a programmer so shut the hell up, if your a good programmer then you would chose the right language for the right job. In some places Java is used while in others its C++. Also C++ is not owned by MS, C# was developed by MS and was released in 2000 in Beta form and then finally released in 2002. Java would be used more for web based programs tbh while C++ and C# would be used on OS, Word, games etc. The Zune is only sold in America which is a shame, its sold 1-2 million last time I heard and its not even sold outside of America. Ipods are not that great tbh, Creative > Zune > Ipods. MS Word 2007 is not hard at all lol, damn people must be way too stupid. Word is possibly one of the most easyiest programs to use lol. Vista has sold 100 million I think so if thats a flop then wow Give it time, people will be switching over to Vista soon enough, it happened to XP. I also prefer PC's to Macs, Mac's are awful for what their worth. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, I could not give a crap about, the war is not over so please guys shut up until its actually one format which has won
Not everything from MS is bad. C# is a good programming language. Yes it was a response to Java. MySQL is not a MS product. C# does much better in the market than Python or Ruby, and I think Python, Ruby C# are all great languages. It is the business practices of MS that is the biggest problem. With Office 2007 the biggest problem is the file formats. Vista is a commercial success, but most corporates will stick with XP for some time to come. What does happen is that corporates have to buy XP retail if the computer came with Vista - results in double sale for MS.
Microsoft will have no other choice but to support the industry worldwide leading high definition medium today. But Dark Sniper is not surprised nor buckled at the fact that Microsoft finds it preposterous to adhere to the steadfast domination that has taken place against them through the hands of Sony. What this shows is that Microsoft has taken a firm stand in maintaing the little slave base that is rapidly declining. The truth that lies beneath all of this is that Microsoft's shoddy and slapdashed business practices have not gone unnoticed. With formats such as the XBOX 360 being released too early, and add-ons such as HD-DVD being endorsed by the Microsoft Corporation, they have successfully re-created console failure history by doing the same practices Sega has done. This is evident with Saturn being released too early and disc format failures such as the Sega CD add-on. Coincidentally, the defeat of Sega came from a the household brand of PlayStation. XBOX 360 has been composted as the worst manufactured console in the history of gaming. XBOX 360 is the only console to have conducted the feat of being called garbage and trash in the same sentence. Garbtrash. $niper
is the the 360 is destroying the Ps3 as a GAMING system(side by side with the Wii in sales). So Sony folk will use anything in these desperate times,to ridicule the competition,even if they have to boast about taking part in leading a movie format! Good job PSN...........you have become the bottom dwellers of the gaming world.........hope you're proud of yourselves.Tsk tsk,shame. tom PS>>>>>>&am p;am p;gt ;>>>> SPREAD THE WORD!!!!!!!!!!!! Out to all of my fellow Americans to share the same capacity as Japan,and not buy the Ps3! Just like they don't the 360............... even though the 360 has the BEST games. If you're American and don't agree, then move your arse to Japan loser.
Spokesmen for the companies went on to say: "We remain fully committed to trying to sell our remaining inventories of HD-DVD hardware and software. We have already made significant financial commitments to additional advertising, as well as the production of several titles in the pipeline not yet at retail; we would prefer not to lose 100% of that incremental investment by the sudden complete halting of HD-DVD product sales. We encourage all consumers to consider purchasing HD-DVD products while they can; there are sure to be some fire-sale prices on hardware and software. We understand that the vast majority of informed consumers will be reluctant to invest in a dead format, but we are hopeful that there remain enough others to help us recoup what money we can in the closing stages."
same rumor thats been going around..they said they will continue to support hddvd but didnt announce any titles or anything..
Sad fan boy.
WTF is this........?!?!? "HD DVD is the best optical solution for consumers, since it's the only format today that delivers high quality experiences at affordable prices No its not! The whole of Hollywood studios are proving that BR is what they want, just two more major studios left, Uni and Par!
@tanod... the more u speak the more stupid you sound. get your facts straight or just stfu ps3 fanboy. do u even realize the the ps3 is in last place (yes 3rd place!! get that in your head) yet you're saying ps3 is the bomb-dig. it's not and it's the gamers that chose wii and 360 over it. geez get over yourself.
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