PS3 & Xbox 360 Graphics Superseded By Smartphone & Tablets

The graphics of Sony's PS3 and Microsoft's Xbox 360 are set to be superseded by new graphic cards being developed for smartphones and tablets according to graphics company Nvidia.

[Skywalker1234]

who cares pc overtook consoles 6 years ago when the GEN STARTED........

multimedia devices should, it really has no impact on gaming

[MAJ0R]

You will get disagrees but everything you said was factual.

[3GenGames]

In 2006, a tri-core 3.2Ghz processor was unheard of. Plus, the graphics card was better than anything then, too. No, it was the better piece of hardware when released. Yes, time has caught up, but there's no facts to be had in that statement.

[GamingTruth]

yet i have yet to see anything on pc that looks as cgi ish as ps3 exclusives so i guess its not factual

[ProjectVulcan]

Maybe you see the statement as inflammatory 3GenGames but the little in order execution Tri Core CPU in Xbox 360 was no real match for the AMD Athlon 64 dual cores around when 360 launched.

For a start the out of order execution on the PC chips gave it a massive advantage. The Athlon 64 X2 4800+ just for a quick comparison were over 230 million transistors, Xenon is a 165 million transistor CPU. Quite a small Tri core. The Athlon is really streets ahead.

Secondly, 360's GPU was architecturally quite advanced for its time. It was a great design no question. But it wasn't as fast as the best setups on PC. Generally X1800XT launched prior beat it comfortably in all the early games, Oblivion, Quake 4, COD2 etc etc.

This is besides the fact you could have a pair of X1800's in crossfire. It is a fact even before 360 launched it was outgunned by top level PC hardware.

As for you GamingTruth, your username is surely the most irony i can stand for today.

[MAJ0R]

GamingTruth

Your not fooling anyone except yourself(if you are serious, but I think your just trolling) lol

[Ulf]

In terms of hardware, everything vulcanproject stated above is correct.

Hardware is never the whole picture, however. It took a couple years for PC gaming to exceed console gaming, thanks to the PC lowest common denominator, and the severe inferiority of generic software driver interfaces relative to specific hardware drivers and APIs.

On mobile devices, the software issue is compounded by the OS, and often the development language for games (i.e. Java or Objective C) -- mobile GPUs, even if they could match the consoles (which they won't be able to for years), couldn't hope to be so fast as to overcome the software hurdles and actually perform in line with today's consoles -- not for a long time.

Maybe never, thanks to battery/heat/electron loss issues at small fab sizes. No one will ever bother to manufacture a phone GPU that needs a giant heatsink, or needs a wallet-sized battery to operate for more than an hour.

[ProjectVulcan]

Ulf

"In terms of hardware, everything vulcanproject stated above is correct.

Hardware is never the whole picture, however. It took a couple years for PC gaming to exceed console gaming, thanks to the PC lowest common denominator"

I only partially agree, mainly because for pretty much the entire first year of 360's lifespan, most of the best looking 360 games were multiformat titles. As in also on PC, which with the superior hardware were of course better looking....

I think that Oblivion was probably the best looking 360 game up until Gears of War launched, but the PC version of Oblivion was clearly superior.

Up until Gears of War, PC still led with the best looking version of the best looking game then IMO.

After the first Gears i think a fair few PC games could lay claim to being pretty good looking. For example Lost Planet launching on PC about 6 months after Gears and having DX10, running that in 1080p on the PC platform (no easy feat) at least put it on par with Gears on the 360 platform for me- if not ahead.

But is was really when Crysis arrived a year later it was fairly obvious by then PC had comfortably exceeded either console visually, software wise.

[sikbeta]

Ugh, I guess people still don't get it, it's the same with these future smartphones and tablets, yes! tech will be there and will surpass other HW, but support and budget of the same size as Consoles will not be there at all, 90% the current gen games are created with console in mind and then ported to PC, so much for "teh powerful graphicz"

[badz149]

"But is was really when Crysis arrived a year later it was fairly obvious by then PC had comfortably exceeded either console visually, software wise."

funny that you have to mention Crysis where there were only a handful of people that could run it at its finest setting when it launched in 2007 and stayed that way for several months, thus the "can it run Crysis" joke was made! I won't say THAT as "comfortably" as you said it!

and to be fair to the consoles, there was no single game on PC that look as good as Uncharted 2 & 3 in 2006! of course pc game can be displayed natively at 1080p at that time but in term of looks, nothing beats 720p Uncharted in 2006 on pc!

[Spydiggity]

i doubt he's trolling. there are a TON of delusional people that believe that nonsense.

i'm all for smart phones getting more powerful, of course; but i'm a bit puzzled about how they'll control the heat at this point in time. my Droid X gets really hot when i just play sudoku on it.

[Mrmagnumman357]

Gaming Truth... Your Sony glasses is blocking your vision. PS3 exclusives are impressive, but nothing compared to some pc games.

[T900]

@badz149

8800GTX was out by the time Crysis released. 8800GTX was one of the best selling GPUs from Nvidia ever. Infact many people are using it today too. 4 years into its life its still trucking along out performing consoles in about every game.

8800GTX could easily play crysis in high settings in 1080p and extreme settings in 720p. Crysis in those settings still blows anything out the water conosles have to offer today.

Lets just say Crysis was sent back in time :P its mission to point and laugh at whatever tech marketed as next gen had to offer and it will carry on doing that until the end of this gen :P

[jony_dols]

Whats the point in having all that mobile power under the hood, when iOS & Android devs are incapable of taking advantage of it?

When I see a game of the graphical qualities Uncharted 3 or Gears 3 on a mobile platform; then I'll be impressed.

And if or when they do ever reach that point, the next wave consoles will be have already been released.

[SuperM]

Its true that PC hardware is always more powerfull then console hardware. After all console hardware is pc hardware and they never use the most advanced hardware because that would cost to much

However try use a 6 years old top of the line PC and play some modern games. The PC will struggle running the game at all and will look nowhere near as good as the console version. Console hardware can perform atleast twice as good as similar pc hardware so on a graphical level the statement is wrong

A pc from 2006 does not perform as well as current gen consoles in games

[T900]

@Superm

What part of 8800GTX outperforming consoles do you not understand?

8800GTX was released before the PS3. Till date it plays most games out in 1080p, PS3 or Xbox 360 barely play 5% of their games in 1080p.

So no a PC from 2006 equipped with a 8800GTX will easily outperform any console, its that simple.

[DeadlyFire]

Umm...Doesn't PowerVR 6 plan to do that in 2012/2013. Why would we wait for NVIDIA?

[miyamoto]

If I were a smart gaming company I will invest in games that plays well with out the need for button mashing game play yet benefits from high end graphics on portable devices like RPGs, turn based RTS, puzzle games, etc. But can be mirrored wireless on huge screens anywhere.

It is wise for Sony and Nintendo to nurture their games IP department. because they have lots of trojan horses in the mobile games arena.

Soon the tablet will be the center of all things digital- consumption or production.

I have a feeling the next PlayStation is just like a PS vita.

[ProjectVulcan]

@ badz149, T900 has mostly covered it but as you replied to me i'll point out that it is fairly obvious Crysis doesn't need to be on its very ultimate settings to outstrip the consoles. Mix of medium/high is enough to blatantly see how much better it looks on PC and how much better it looks than anything console, there are enough comparison videos around after the console port to prove that...

By the time Crysis actually launched in November 2007, 8800GTX (then the ultra) had been out a year and that manages high settings, and 8800GT launched prior to Crysis too.

Countless 8800GT's were sold because of Crysis. Its pretty clear within a couple months a vast amount of people could run Crysis at settings above anything the current consoles have achieved.

Finally Uncharted 2 and 3 didn't launch in 2006. Did they? Uncharted 1 actually launched 3 days AFTER Crysis.....

Uncharted 2 didn't launch until TWO YEARS after Crysis, as good as it looked on PS3, it was still absolutely no match for Crysis on maximum settings which by then even more people could play on PC. I should know, i still own both games.

[morganfell]

In other news:

"The latest in swipe pad and phone controls superseded by decade old controller design"

[gatormatt80]

@ vulcanproject, Referring to what badz149 said about Uncharted 2 and 3 looking better than anything that was out on PC in 06, my initial reaction was like yours. But then I thought since the tech in the PS3 is from 2006 his argument is I suppose somewhat valid. I think that's the message he was trying to relay.

Me personally, I don't have a dog in this fight, I go wherever the games are.

[badz149]

gatormatt80 got my point. to say that Uncharted games look better than Crysis is plain out STUPID but in 2006, there's no game looking as good as Uncharted released 2007, 2009 and 2011 using the outdated 2006 tech!

[ProjectVulcan]

Your argument is ridiculous badz in context. Right at the start of this thread, it was discussed about when PC software caught up with console software. We were talking about software advancement. I mentioned Crysis.

Then you came out, and talked about Uncharted 2 which regardless of what hardware it is running on and how old it is (that was NEVER the point when i first spoke of Crysis), arrived AFTER Crysis on PC, i.e the point being PC software was well ahead visually by then.

All you are doing is massively reinforcing my point by highlighting it also took years for even PS3 software to advance to Uncharted 2's level, and by then, Crysis had easily surpassed it on PC years before anyway!

"there's no game looking as good as Uncharted released 2007, 2009 and 2011 using the outdated 2006 tech"-

Fact is you could run Crysis (a 2007 game) on 2006 hardware no problem (this has already been pointed out in this thread multiple times), you could run Crysis so it looked better than UC2 or 3 on hardware that came out BEFORE PS3 arrived, the 8800GTX!

This basically renders what you said useless TBH. So Uncharted 2, a game out years AFTER Crysis, doesn't look as good (as you admit) as Crysis on PC hardware out BEFORE PS3 hardware.

Get it? Got it? Good.

[Lazy_Sunday]

Technically smartphones haven't superseded console graphics, since they can't yet play at least 600px height resolution games at 30FPS. Tablets? Yeah, I'd say the iPad 3 could outperform a console, if you had about 6-10GB of space per game and the patience to either download or sync it to the device.

Yes, gaming PCs were already better than gaming consoles at their release--albeit an equal rig would cost you around $800-1000, PCs were indeed more advanced. Stop disagreeing with the truth, you just make us all look bad.

[ProjectVulcan]

It is true. They don't run the resolution for the most part just yet. Vita doesn't and that is a very powerful mobile device specified for gaming. Uncharted on it isn't native resolution either. It is something like 720 x 408 which is only about a third of the Uncharted native 1280 x 720p games on PS3.

Smartphones won't be able to beat current console visuals just yet because of the problem of battery performance and heat. Even now you can't create a chipset with the outright grunt of the consoles that won't suck the battery dry in half an hour or so and melt the case!

While the gap has closed right up and mobile chipsets offer really impressive performance for their size and power consumption, it'll probably be about 2 years until we can say there is genuine mobile performance that duffs up these consoles comprehensively, resolution and raw fillrate.

It will take one more generation shrink, down to maybe 22nm and we will see it. But by then, there is little doubt we will have new consoles and the catch up cycle will begin again.

[SuperM]

Ipad 3 is not even as powerful as the Vita. There is no way it could outperform the consoles.

[Strange_Evil]

^^^ iPad 3 has the same GPU as the PS Vita... It's not similar or like, IT'S THE SAME QUAD CORE GPU... So I dunno where you are going with this argument.

[Lazy_Sunday]

iPad 3's chipset is designed to run at a resolution over twice that of the typical rendering capacity of a modern console game. No, an iPad 3 could not run games like Battlefield 3 and Skyrim at 1500p even with the proper coding, so don't fret. But, if someone had the patience to code and develop an AAA game for the iOS and ran it around 600p natively the truth is that it would indeed outperform current gen consoles. However, the problem with that is the iTunes Store/App Store servers aren't a fast enough delivery service for full featured large AAA games, and even with massive compression popular titles such as L4D2 and Skyrim book in around 6-10GB. Not to forget to mention that it's tech is completely different from the familiarity of the PS3s or 360s, and to even have it compete or have a game's translation to the PS3 or 360's graphical capability would be years away when the speculated PS4 and NextBox will be inhabiting the market.

[bakasora]

Oh great. Because my toaster was superseded micro oven.

[mysterym]

You cook toast in a microwave?

[Hayabusa 117]

You guys crack me up this sometimes. This is why I still read the comments on N4G.

[Valkyre]

And yet 6 years later uber awesome PC gamers enjoy playing console designed games in higher resolution lol.

Its like they are playing some HD collection. They have so much power with their hardware and all they use it for is to play console designed games. No new graphics technology, no huge leaps. Why? Because next gen consoles are not out yet.

So enjoy your benchmark machine. Hopefully soon when new consoles arrive you will start exploiting some of your machine's potential when new engine are going to be released.

Oh and guess what... these engines are going to be designed mainly for consoles. Which means more bottlenecks for you PC graphics whores out there...

but hey.... you got mods!

[madjedi]

Actually the modding aspect, is the one thing that pc can state as a real bragging point over consoles, at least to me anyway.

I'd rather be able to mod single player console games than just turning the graphics settings on uber high. But the only thing you really hear from alot of pc gamer is them bragging about resolution and graphics.

Isn't ray tracing supposed to be the next big thing in graphics, i think even high cards can't do it or couldn't as of a few yrs ago.

I think gaming on pc can only go 2 ways either higher end graphics or open world games with destruction like battlefield does only better. With better ai, physic ect. (It's a generalisation), but can't think of how it could be considered untrue.

But till you have some sort of virtual reality, pc and consoles will probably playing similar if not the same games, albeit on different lvls.

[hiredhelp]

Yes we play multiplatform games on pc but not just hgh resolution its alot of other options we get to iron out them jaggies and get real lighting and shaders..
Even if thedes dont choose to utilize the pc version thoe not all 3rd party devs do this.
But see you forget mr 1 bubble you have exclusives We have exclusives, funny take witcher 2 witcher was pc exclusie you get to have hads on the enhanced edition it gets rave reviews yet they try compareto witchwr 2 on pc. But what gets ke is theres soo many 360 reviews witcher 2 enhanced, that dont see of PC enhanced edition.
I could be here stating how much pc has but i think most people know.
So no notall high res and being stuck with multiplatform games trying to make it sound like we dont get our games. Foolish statement. I own a ps vita and had a ps3 witch now sold after using it since launch love what it had to offer every platform offers something differnt thats why you have differnt consoles.
But dont come here trying to take p**s out pc gamers cos wont work.

Oh modders are asset to pc gamers but let me put a thought in your head on that issues, Some modders actually have gone onto help making games for your system. Sorry for shit spelling hard on a touch pad when you type fast.

[kevnb]

while I dont disagree, I dont think it really has much to do with mobile devices.

[Muffins1223]

the reason why console games may have hire quality cause there paid for by sony and Microsoft and pc developers dont always have that kind of money like epic or crytek

[kevnb]

overall the quality on pc is much higher. Even games like uncharted 2/3 are no match for even middle of the road pc games. But I do agree that uncharted is more visually appealing than games with technically better graphics, it has beautiful art direction and animations. I can also say mario galaxy looks better than 95% of hd console games, but its not because of technical reasons.

[frelyler]

Exactly. If people know what Moores law is then they will say, yeah big deal it should be that way otherwise you guys stink at your jobs over at Nvidia. Your new hardware is faster than 6 to 8 year old tech, wow I'm really surprised. When the new consoles come out they will blow the smartphones and tablets out of the water because it will be newer tech, then in time tablets and smartphones will lead again. Didn't everyone already know this?

[ritsuka666]

it really has no impact on gaming"

Ewww? tablets have a HUGE impact, dont ignore this.A lot of DEVS already change you plans for market of tablets, david jaffe, myamotto-san already abandoned nintendo for made games too.

[gamernova]

Truth is there were many gaming pcs that were better as soon as 360 and ps3 came out but handheld devices are barely catching up to ancient technology. When I hear about a handheld beating a gtx 680in the same year it was released for PC then let me know. :P

[ninjahunter]

I was gonna say onlive, then i realised that wouldnt be true either XD
GTX 680 Sooo OP

[T900]

Onlive would be luckly to beat good old 8800GTX lol. That beast till date roflstomps consoles in just about any game.

Completely throws console optimization theory out the window lol.

[Tyre]

It is still just on a little screen with a device you constantly have to hold up till you get RSI. Mobile gaming will never succeed as a real gaming platform. It is just not practicle in the long run. Just like TV never won from the cinema. You can't beat Big screens and comfort.

[asmith2306]

Aren't these consoles 5-6 years old? Another bullshit article about how out of date the graphics cards on the PS3 and 360 are. Thanks again for stating the obvious! In saying that have you ever seen the graphics in games like Uncharted 3 and God of War 3? I rest my case.

[Hassassin]

I've seen (and played) both... They have great camera angles and give you a real cinematic feel. But it's 720p and jaggies wont even compare to PC (played on the same screen).
Gears of War [2006] looks much more cleaner, even if its a port. And games with exclusive PC features (Something like Crysis 1 [2007], nothing too fancy) make the difference between awesome looking and beautiful.
(PS3 games are still awesome, just not on par with PC in terms of graphics).

[asmith2306]

Even though they are 5-6 years old the graphics are as you say, still awesome. Unless your a complete graphics whore most people dont and wont notice the difference. Everytime they compare new cards to PS3's and 360s its like comparing a brand new car to a 5-6 year old car. There is no equivelance there so comparing them is retarded.

[Bladesfist]

Asmith2306 You call people graphics whores because they can tell the difference between 720p or less and 1600p?

[neutralgamer19]

wow what story breaking news!!! (sarcasm)

[MrDead]

News just in......New things are more powerful than old things....Other news...Next gen consoles set to be more powerful than smartphones and tablets...

[andibandit]

and in the end the PS3 is still a super computer.

[OmegaSaiyanX]

Last time I checked games consoles sell more than gaming pc's also its easier to game on consoles, Ive got a system that I built its more powerful than the 360 and PS3 but have a guess what I game on? Xbox 360

That will change when Diablo 3 comes out but come on its Diablo! :-D

[pr0digyZA]

See that's just you, I have all the consoles and yet I play on my PC the most, personal preference. (whats sales got to do with it?).

[jrbeerman11]

all multiplats i play PC, use xbox and ps3 for exclusives.

Framerate and AA alone make PC much better to play on.

[TheMailman]

PC fans keep upgrading their rigs for nothing.. Just spend money in hardwere that will not be utilised by devs until consoles change cycle.. Tell me what games right now are that much better than PS3 gems like UC2 and 3, God of War, KZ 2 and 3.. And so on.. And please don't insult PS3 hardware puting it in the some bag allong with Xbox 360.. That was the biggest lye games media sell to us this generation.. But PS3 is far more powerful that Xbox 360 and anyone can see that..

[starchild]

Your comment is ridiculous all around.

First of all there are lots of reasons to game on the PC. But lets just look at the graphics angle for now. Most games are multiplatform games, and those games look AND perform better on the PC. Most of the games I play on the PC I am able to run at 60+ fps, at 1920x1080 resolution or higher, and they look super clean due to having v-sync and super high levels of anti-aliasing.

You are probably one of those sony loyalists that act like Blu-ray is a huge jump up from DVD (which mostly comes down to a jump in resolution), while at the same time acting like there isn't much difference between games on the PC and on the consoles. It's inconsistent and hypocritical.

Furthermore, games like The Witcher 2, Crysis 2, Metro 2033, Alan Wake, and Battlefield 3 on the PC look far better than any of those PS3 games you listed.

Lastly, the 360 and the PS3 are extremely close in overall performance. Anybody with eyes can see that. The best looking games on either console have an extremely similar level of graphical fidelity.

[TheMailman]

@ starchild

Metro? Alan wake? Jesus is so clear that you never played uncharted, KZ or God of War games.. Besides the resolution and higher frame rates that games don't come even close the ones I mentioned.. Any of the games I mentioned have far more polygons, particule effects, deph of field and consistency than Alan wake, metro, witcher and Crysis without dx 11 patch.. Only battlefield 3 looks a notch above PS3 exclusives...

Regarding Xbox 360 I don't even going to bother..

[Boody-Bandit]

Mailman I have played every top tier game for the PS3 and all I can say is stop, seriously, just stop.

PC gaming is on a completely different stratosphere graphically, it's not even close or debatable. Well unless of course you are blindr or delusional.

Edit: Pound disagree until your finger bleeds. It doesn't make what I said any less factual. My PSN info is under my profile. Check for yourself if I played them all. No console game comes close to PC games on a decent rig. Thinking other wise is nonsensical at best.

[Series_IIa]

@Mailman

If it's SOOOO far more advanced than the 360, then why can't it run all of its so called amazing glorious graphics feats in 1080p...

Face it, 360 and PS3 are closely matched, both suffer paper, scissors, rock syndrome.

Can't do 1080p, decent AA, 60fps or decent FOV, without cutting the rest out or resorting to crappy smoke and mirrors techniques.

[Jazz4108]

I about lost it when I read what he said. The ps3 and 360 are capable of doing so close to the same in capable devs hands. One machine is better at some things the other at others but anyone in the industry knows there very close. Now the pc with technology jump of a good 7 years kills todays consoles. I can't believe I'm defending the obvious. I guess there's always a few deluional ones.

[Yodagamer]

Sure you spend more upfront, but with a decent rig it can last you a year or two, and with the deals on stream you could make up that money easily. I've been tempted to get a pc as well.

[Echo307]

A year or two? If you spend a decent amount and don't build a budget rig, it will last longer than that. I have a couple of friends that haven't upgraded their rig in over 4 years, and they're still running games on medium+ settings, which still look better than consoles.

[specialguest]

Those PS3 exclusives looks graphically "pretty", but it still doesn't compare to Crysis 1(PC) on a technical level, and there have been several PC games that surpassed Crysis in the graphics department years ago.

[givemeshelter]

Just Metro 2033 alone looks better than any console game out. Uses all real time effects and the polygon counts for all objects in the game outstrip any PS3 game. Lets not even mention the textures in Metro 2033 compared to the many low resolution textures in ALL console games including ALL PS3 games.
I have YET to see ANY PS3 game have the quality of textures or detail as Metro 2033 THROUGHOUT the ENTIRE GAME and not just for a few images and objects and CHARACTERS. I am looking at you Uncharted, Gears of War and God of War.
Obviously you never played it. If you played Metro 2033 you would not be trolling and realize no game on the PS3 matches it in the graphic department on a technical level or otherwise. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ART STYLE.

You mention KZ2/3...games that do not even use HDR but LDR and NAO32 or real time lighting and have tiny maps and pixalized low resolution effects and textures.

You mention God of War 3 and that game has fixed camera angles and characters OTHER than the main bosses and Krotos are low resolution with many of the backdrops.

You mention Uncharted 3, yet that entire series is fully linear with limited real time lighting and effects with miniscule environments that whn running HDR is done in low FP.

PS3 hardware is NOT that much more powerful than the Xbox360 hardware. Stop drinking Sony kool-Aid.
If it were then games on the PS3 would more closely resemble the quality of PC games in graphics, physics, interaction with environments and real time effects...and they don't...despite your delusional thinking.

"Any of the games I mentioned have far more polygons, particule effects, deph of field and consistency than Alan wake, metro, witcher and Crysis without dx 11 patch."

You trying to pull a Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck with that lie? Most particle effects in all console games and that includes your stroke machine the PS3 use LOW resolution particle effects. Case in point? Look at close up shots of the particle effects in KZ3 and Uncharted 3 to see they are low resolution.
Now look at those same type of particle effects in Metro 2033, Battle Field 3, Crysis, Withcer 2 and it is no contest.
Depth of field? LMFAO. Console can BARELY do this effect without smoke and mirrors. They use motion blur beyond and other particle effects to mimic the real use of ADOF. Consoles can barely do REAL TIME ADOF because its a resource killer.

Please stop posting. You are making an ass of yourself.

[the worst]

pc gaming sucks

[sly-Famous]

End of story.

[MysticStrummer]

As the saying goes, different strokes for different folks. I tried PC gaming and found it lacking, so it makes me laugh to see all the PC trolls on N4G listing specs and claiming it's the holy grail of gaming. Beyond a certain point, I don't care about the resolution or what kind of lighting effect is being used. I find console gaming to be much more enjoyable, but that's me. I'd rather see advances in AI and storytelling than graphics next gen.

[ritsuka666]

No comment SHM -___-

[Yodagamer]

oh brand new $300+ technology is more powerful than a 6-7 year old technology.

[pandehz]

I just alt tabbed out of BF3 to comment that I alt tabbed out of BF3.

I rest my case

[Hicken]

... and there's nowhere on the page to comment to let them know how silly of an article they've just published.

[JOHN_DOH]

they need to come out with better batteries

[jrbeerman11]

I wish I could add more bubbles for ya, I really do.

I cannot believe that isn't top priority. Cell phones are casual game market. angry birds and draw something are not gaining anything from increase in performance, while our phones no longer last half a day with minimal use.

or at least come out with a physical control scheme. Touch screen gaming sucks.

[GamingTruth]

the ridiculousness of the pc superiority over ps3 exclusives is insane, such as whenever I play ps3 exclusives ever since the launch games i easily felt like i was playing a cg movie, but i have yet to find these feelings when playing any pc games, not to mention that there are still more ps3 exclusives in the making and im sorry higher resolutions higher framerates and a couple of extra wanna be movie tier effects arent going to catch pc up with the cg tier visuals that ps3 has been doing since it launched pc fans i hope you do know the only reason that your comments on pc superiority and what games you claim look on pc better than ps3 exclusives seem true online and basically gaming site law, is your banning together and agreeing with one another, and disagreeing with anyone else who doesnt agree, its the same concept of the call of duty hate you make a majority over the minority as pc fans are the majority of the internet thus its easy to seem right here on the internet, but youll need more powerful 'proof' to make pc games look better than ps3 exclusives to me take pc games up to the cg tier like ps3 exclusives then maybe ill agree with your joint agreement comments

[TheMailman]

@ gaming truth

You are spot on in your comments and you are not alone.. But we have to understand this guys.. They spend alot of money upgrading theyr PCs just to be able to say that they run Crysis at 87 frames.. Maybe 12 more frames than they did with the previous GPU..

Strange world this one..

[Echo307]

Heh, 87 frames is a lot faster than consoles (including your precious PS3) run it.

[MysticStrummer]

@Echo - It's also much faster than the human brain can perceive, so what the hell is the point?

[Mrmagnumman357]

what is wrong with you ? I realize your mind is already lost since you are obviously delusional, but, i have an idea. Lets have a screen shot war. Open a thread in the forum section, then send me a link to it. We will both post pics to prove our point, and will let other people decide

[jrbeerman11]

screen shots arent enough, because framerate is a big deal.

Ill sum it up for GamingTruth and TheMailman.....
You dont have a gaming PC, therefore your completely talking out of your ass.

No youtube video or screenshot is going to help because you need to compare the two yourself.

I WILL GIVE YOU TWO ONE THING.... that its easier for developers to make games for 1 setup than to optimize for multiple setups. They can squeeze much more out of PS3's setup than they could out of an equal video card on PC. Thing is....were not using equal power here, not even close.

[GamingPerson]

lol you assume pc players are the disagreeing! Some ps3 players like me don't like douche bags
Gaming truth -1 bubble.

[GamingTruth]

im sure you are a ps3 'player' what an epic fail, and jrbeerman11, so what is equal power, since ps3s finallized specs have never been released and thanks to the cell and rsx being conjoined that makes it even harder to tell so im curious to see what is this 'equality' you speak of

[jacen100]

Ps3 exclusives better than pc visuals, laff you must have a pentium 2 and a geforce 2

[spektical]

more transistors or cores =/= better gpu or cpu

theoritically yes, but in practice the speedup is not nearly double for example in 1 core to 2 cores. in fact the speed may even go slower than 1 core.

its a matter of how well you can handle the shared resources and which ones are more likely to be used. i.e a better implementation of your shared L2 caches.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

True, my iPad jas games that look better than both consoles. Crytek has released a game for iPhone iPad and iPod named Fibble that looks very nice.

[BitbyDeath]

If phones are so powerful then why can't they make a decent game like 1994's Theme Park? Most phone games are linear, require you to be online or require you to pay them countless amounts of money to get anywhere.

Make a decent game with depth and then we'll talk.

[Soldierone]

This is extremely true. The only game I actually purchased at full price is Sim City, and all it is, is a clone of the old version of it.....It's not new, it doesn't have good graphics, and it still gets laggy. The thing is, a game like this with their supposedly "amazing graphics" is ideal for tablet controls.

Why is it phone and tablet makers are only able to either rip off console games (Go look at Gamelofts library), port over a crappy version of a console game, or make simplistic casual crap?

I believe its the target audience. Vita, 3DS, and consoles all have good gamers with brains. Cell phone games are for people with the attention spans of rocks.

[PopRocks359]

Controls > Graphics. Fuck touch-screen-only tablets and fuck most of the games on them.

[Dms2012]

They just arent my cup of tea either.

[ninjahunter]

People complain how these articles are obvious about how weak consoles are, and tomarrow they will go back to saying how they dont need another gen and its close enough to PC.
LOGIC Activate! Form of a Derp!

[aviator189]

honestly, I don't care. even if tablet graphics are a thousand times better than anything else, I'll take my pc pad and console controller over touch any day.

[Horny Melon]

Of course Nvidia would say this, they are shut out this coming generation.

[theeg]

and they care because????

they cannot make crappy gpu's for underpowered consoles at razor thin profit???

im sure they are okay with revenue for 2011 over 4.5 billion, literally, how much did sony lose??

what about xbox???

is wii the only one making money??

please, the dirt cheap outdated chips by AMD (the walmart of graphics) going in next gen consoles will be crap/

be prepared for a letdown when those things launch this year and are about on par with a 5 year old pc.

[Echo307]

"the walmart of graphics"

I don't agree with it, but I lol'd.

[Soldierone]

Cool story, go play your console knockoffs by Gameloft and Angry Birds in "HD" and leave us alone now....

[mcgrottys]

doesn't matter when phones don't have enough storage to hold multiple full featured games that take up about 5-15GB each for the installs.

[arbitor365]

when phones and tablets get a game on par with uncharted 2 and 3 (hell, even the first one) give me a call.

[ACEMANWISE]

Smaller screens help make graphics look better.

[jaymart2k]

Phone/Tablet + Cheap made games = Profit

[Zha1tan]

Meh

Phone + tablets will never compete with PC for control fidelity, power and overall interaction as there is only so much that can be done with touch screen controls.

[AzaziL]

Tablets aren't that bad for gaming, I honestly can't wait to play an RTS like starcraft on one.

Thing is it'll never replace my PC or Consoles when it comes to games with the best graphics and the most to offer.

That and 99% of the games for Android have a paywall that's more annoying than DLC. Yeah they were free in the first place but when I drop $20 into a game just to get a few extra moves, it rarely seems worth it.

[Malice-Flare]

heh, tell me when these smartphones can do at least 10 hours of Uncharted or Gears graphics/input intensive games on battery, then i'll consider consoles superseded...

[sandman224]

That is so sad. And to thank there's a bunch of dumb people who don't want a new console yet. Idiots!!!!

[madjedi]

Not everyone bought their ps3 or 360 on launch day.

Console gamers need to stop chasing pc graphics or build one if the consoles look so terrible.

There are 3 groups that will decide when the ps4 and 720 will launch, 1 is the 3rd party devs. Till they get on board neither are launching period. The other 2 are ms and sony.

While i do believe it is time for new consoles before long, i won't call people who believe otherwise idiots.

"That is so sad. And to thank there's a bunch of dumb people who don't want a new console yet. Idiots!!!!" Change thank to think and there's to there is and you won't look like a lazy idiot. :)

[sandman224]

Ouch, that was rough. I should proof read my comments. Also if you didnt buy your console on launch day or launch year then you are not a gamer, and you shouldn't have a say so on when you want a new console to release. I know I didn't need to call people idiots and I apologize. I think we need a new Xbox. Ps4 has a couple of years left in it. I just want to see something new before I turn grey. It's been long enough. In fact the longest in gaming history.

[LNDCalling]

@sandman224

I didn't buy a PS3 at launch but I'm still a 'Gamer', more so even as I still had plenty of game to play fully from the vast PS2 libary!!

The above said I'm happy if the PS4/Nextbox launch soon but again the PS3 has a vast libary of games and exclusives which currently exceed my game time and indeed wallet at the moment.

[kingPoS]

Pears apples oranges xbox pc & ps3,...Its practically a never
ending argument. The only real advantage of consoles is they
have "FIXED" hardware.(sans xbox hd) That means console
dev's can delvople & code with near absolute certainty that their
chosen platform has exact/similar specs, be it ps3 or xbox 360.

[Lulz_Boat]

really?
no

[jimmins]

Kind of embarrassing, don't you think? That it's been so long since a new console has launched that our TELEPHONES are soon set to be more powerful.

Sony and Microsoft should hang their heads in shame. They have failed their customers on an unprecedented scale.

[madjedi]

@jimmins What is embarrassing, that the economy went to shit after they had launched forcing them to wait until it was economically practical to release new consoles.

Technology is constantly progressing, those more powerful phones are usually also alot more expensive than the consoles. But lets ignore that little fact since it's a inconvenient truth.

"Sony and Microsoft should hang their heads in shame. They have failed their customers on an unprecedented scale." Bullshit, because newer and more expensive phones are soon to be more powerful than the longest console generation we have ever had.

Pc troll or mobile pusher, either way shut the hell up, neither sony or ms has done so simply because newer hardware is faster than old hardware, and the next gen isn't out yet.

If the ps3 and 360's upcoming lineup looked like the ps2 upcoming lineup, then i might agree, but since it doesn't drop the bs already.

[LFC1EE]

It was only a matter of time, but hang on xbox/720 and ps4 are on the way sooner rather than later i think before your multimedia devices.

[GAMExxOVER]

Thats why you can just upgrade the GPU and or CPU in your console when you want/need to........ Oh ya, Never mind.

[esemce]

No surprise theses console's GPUs are about 6 years old.

[Redcrimson101]

Correction, the 720 is coming out late next year.

[_Aarix_]

Any proof? Cause if all you have is "rumors" you need to shut it.

[TheModernKamikaze]

I'm okay with that but what I am not used to is not playing with a mouse/keyboard or controller.

[Jag-T1000]

What people fail to realise is the "PRICE" Sure these tablets will have better technology, but who's gonna pay $500 dollars for them. Sony,Microsoft & Nintendo have a $300 price limit to put a system together otherwise the system might not sell.

[Bladesfist]

I play on PC for its exclusives like mount and blade and natural selection 2. I also like to mod and create games. PC Gamers normally have other reasons beyond graphics why they game on PC. The reasons I stated above are my main reasons.

Bonuses:
1080p
60fps
Better control options
AA

[Jag-T1000]

One more thing,...Of course they are going to have better technology since they release one every year (ipad comes to mind). Still can't believe people are buying these things year after year.

[metroid79]

well the early wiiu tech demo's shown me graphics i havn't seen yet so i'm pleased that was 1st dev-kits as well them kits are over twice that now and that kit was hitting 1.2 terra flops.

[-Gespenst-]

I don't understand the hype. I see nothing special about smartphones other than the fact they provide highly portable internet access. Tablets? As far as I see it, there's absolutely nothing special about them. People just buy them because they've been made trendy by those cunts at apple.

Consoles and PCs need to properly put these fools in their place before it's too late.

[Tyre]

@Gespenst Exactly, well said.

[XboxInnovation]

Who cares about graphics.

[khellendros1]

Why do we have these dumb a$$ articles? These consoles have been out for 6 years or more. I would be concerned if the graphics weren't better on other devices. Still, I'm happy with this generation of consoles.

[NotSoSilentBob]

I would hope technology from 6-7 years ago is beat by technology of today.

[Rhezin]

f!ck smartphones and tablets.

[Ulf]

There are PCs today that will outperform, in terms of raw hardware, the consoles of tomorrow. Honestly we'll probably never see the drastic differences that we see today between the current consoles and PC GPUs again, but.. who cares?

This discussion is about mobile GPUs coming within spitting distance of the console GPUs of the current gen, and the joke that is the "mobile gaming will replace console gaming" argument.

[Droid Control]

Time for new consoles! This gen has gone on WAY too long already.

[mechlord]

yawn.....truth or not, it dont matter...am still not buyin a tegra 4 phone for gaming....thats just me. i dont see the point. unless i can have buttons on it, which xperia play proved it wont work well, am sticking to consoles...no matter how underpowered they ll be.

[smashcrashbash]

6 year old consoles and everyone keeps jumping to try and compare everything to it. 'My new car looks better then your six year old car' . Of course it does. My car is six years old.What's your point?

[isarai]

Simple answer, no. best looking portable game on any portable platform is Uncharted golden abyss and while it does look good it still isn't up to par with big titles of current gen consoles. I've played it in person, and yes it did impress me as a portable game, but i couldn't help but notice all the shortcomings compared to just about any console game

At first glance yeah they can look as good, but you quickly start to realize all the little things that are missing