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Dead Space Story Dev: Gears Of War Has 'Literally The Worst Writing In games'

NowGamer: Chuck Beaver, story producer for the Dead Space franchise not a fan of Epic Games' space marine saga Gears of War.

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MAJ0R4803d ago

Oh snap indeed... but gears was never really known for it's story/writing.

Razmossis4803d ago

Well, I wouldn't even say the gameplay anything special either. All you gotta do is hide behind cover and hold R2 until you beat the game, basically.

sonarus4803d ago

Epic games have always focused on over the top action over story. The story and writing in gears is just as ridiculous as the Unreal Tournament series but thats their style and they have their fans. It was always laughable to me when the gears games were coming out how people would whine about spoilers like you could actually play the game for story.

That being said i do tend to like the hide behind cover and shoot gameplay especially the 3rd person view as opposed to fps view where you absorb bullets like a sponge. I think gears was the first game i played to actually do the 3rd person cover thing right.

For Gamer3000 below please don't compare gears and halo story line thats silly as there is no way they can be compared. Even if you didn't like halo story it at least had far better writing than gears

Gazondaily4803d ago

@ Razmossis

"Well, I wouldn't even say the gameplay anything special either. All you gotta do is hide behind cover and hold R2 until you beat the game, basically."

Lol R2 yeah? Have you even got a 360?

InTheLab4803d ago

LOL @ Septic

Ya beat me to it....

jony_dols4803d ago

I love the series,
but I did get the feeling that Epic thought the story was better than it actually was.

It's cheesy & full of over-the-top melodrama.

da_2pacalypse4803d ago

lol This is really stupid... It's like somebody saying "Michael Bay Movies have really bad writing"... Yeah No $hit! But nobody watches those for their writing.

Anyways, I thought Gears3 writing was pretty good compared to the other two games. But I mean, It's a AAA game, what do you expect?

Patriots_Pride4803d ago (Edited 4803d ago )

Well Dead Space does not offer a complex intriguing story - in fact its a very generic scifi space story seen in lots of movies.

The game it self can not hold a candle among the first 3 Resident Evil games story wise.

I love Dead Space but I hope the expand the universe more in 3 - I do not want to be stuck in a spaceship and I want to be introduced to more memorable characters. Dead Space gets an A+ in the scare department but falls short in making you connect with the characters and universe.

WrAiTh Sp3cTr34803d ago

What I find ironic, personally, is that Dead Space's story is more forgettable than Gears and the gameplay is even more worse and repetitive. Both franchises, imo, need tremendous work on their narratives--and even if they both mastered this, Gears would still be more interesting.

sonarus4803d ago

WAAAAT you have got to be fukin kidding me. I personally think dead space was 1 and 2 were both fantastic games. Not ok games but fantastic. The story line wasn't necessarily original but the game was actually quite scary. I didn't play the original RE games very much i just played bits and pieces so i can't compare much but i did play resident evil 4 and 5 and 4 was amazing and 5 got by on coop fun but i can't say i was impressed by the story either. I like games like dead space and re from time to time because they are slow paced and it can be a refreshing change from other fast paced games that i play.

A story doesn't have to be complex or intriguing to be good. A lot has to do with the writing and the flow of the story. Dead space story unfolded as you played no cut scenes or non of that which i liked very much. Plus dead space was actually scary (in my opinion anyway) unlike RE. SMH @ dead space hate i love dat game

SonyPS3604803d ago

The story/writing in gears is good.

It's not the best out there, but it fits perfectly with the style. I cared a lot about the characters in the gears series.

Dead Space games are great, but I wouldn't hold the writing of those games above gears at all.

SephirothX214803d ago

Health regeneration should be done away with. It is ruining fps and tps games. Although I like both franchises, in Gears and a lot of the time in Uncharted, the player is not forced to change cover but can just pop up shoot a guy, get shot, get down and recover, pop up again and rinse repeat. You could not do this in Uncharted 1 because you would run out of ammo and be forced to move or enemies would come in to blast you with a shotgun if you ran out of ammo. AI in shooters needs to be drastically improved anyway. Also, why is there no proper stealth tps game that has the stealth and boss battles of MGS along with the shooting of Uncharted?

Dante1124803d ago (Edited 4803d ago )

I agree, their writing was terrible, especially in GeOW3 ("Dad?..DAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!) . Surprised we have a few people here defending Epic's writing lol.

Anon19744803d ago

I disagree with this guy. I must be one of the few that plays Gears of War for the single player campaign but that's always what kept me hooked. Sure it's more than a little, b-movie sci-fi-ish but that's what I dig about it. Still haven't played the 3rd yet, but I will - without a doubt just because I want to see how it all wraps up.

I enjoyed the first Dead Space but I gotta say, I came pretty close to finishing Dead Space 2 before going "Meh" and just shelving it because I really found I didn't care about the characters or what was going on. Although, to be fair, I just watched the ending now on Youtube and I kinda wish I had finished it but back when I was playing it it just seemed to go on and on...

starchild4803d ago

I love Dead Space and Dead Space 2, but the writing in those games isn't that amazing either. Gears of War is not my favorite series or anything close to it, but I enjoy them and the storytelling isn't any worse than most other action and shooter games.

Of course, this is N4G so we will obviously get hundreds of PS3 fans agreeing with this guy and bashing Gears of War. But the reality is, Gears of War has no worse of a story than games like Killzone, Resistance, Call of Duty, Battlefield, and many others. In fact, I would argue that its storytelling is better than some of those other games.

SilentNegotiator4803d ago (Edited 4803d ago )

Let's all be fair here.....

"Worst" is indeed ALWAYS a strong word. But we could always dig through garbage and find something smellier than a pile of poo, also. So "worst" is always a tough world to use unquantifiably.

That said, it's definitely fair to say that its writing kinda sucks. You toss the characters into any other universe without dull unwavering fanboys, and no one would defend their insane lines and rock-level of emotion. Not even the "professional writing" that came into play starting at 2.

Bimkoblerutso4802d ago

Love the Gears games but as far as the story goes, after the first one they just threw in a few scenes of cliche tearjerker BS and tried to pass it off as "deep storytelling." It was all very, very cheap.

Old McGroin4802d ago

@Dante112

"I agree, their writing was terrible, especially in GeOW3 ("Dad?..DAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!) . Surprised we have a few people here defending Epic's writing lol."

Haha, obviously someone who thinks "Snake? SNAAAAAAKE!!!" is great writing! Get a life troll.

Awesome_Gamer4802d ago

i agree, that is why i prefer Uncharted

sikbeta4802d ago

Playing Gears for the story = doing it wrong

lol

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Gamer30004803d ago

well i didn't love the story too and the same for halo
that's my opinion
after gears 3 i sold my xbox
and never look back

Bladesfist4803d ago

I enjoyed the story of halo 1, but that could just be nostalgia talking

Patriots_Pride4803d ago

I never liked the Halo story either until I read the books. I was amazed on how much you can learn from the books that the game simply can not offer.

A simple thing as how Master Chief became a Spartan can leave you in WOW this game is not just about Humans vs Aliens and you appreciate playing the game after you read the books because you know what Master Chief had to sacrifice to become who he is.

The Master Chief, originally named John, was born in 2511 and first lived with his family on the human colony planet Eridanus II. Large for his six years of age, and approximately a foot above his school peers, he is described as a typical boy with brown hair, freckles and a gap between his two front teeth.[18] In 2517, John and dozens of children his age are covertly taken from their homes and replaced with clones to hide the kidnapping. The original children are brought to the planet Reach, one of the UNSC's bastions, to begin intense physical and psychological training to become "Spartan-II" supersoldiers.[18] They are assigned new identification numbers instead of last names; John becomes known as John-117. Approximately eight years later, John and the other children are biologically and cybernetically augmented and enhanced. These procedures have substantial risks;[18] only John and thirty-two other Spartans survive.[18]
After the Spartans' first successful operation, John-117 is briefed on the threat posed by the Covenant, a theocratic alliance of alien races, and witnesses the utter devastation wrought by a single ship.[18] In 2552, the Chief and Spartans return to Reach, where the UNSC High Command has developed a last-ditch plan to capture a Covenant High Prophet, who they hope could be used in order to barter a truce.[18] The Master Chief's armor is upgraded, and he first encounters the artificial intelligence (AI) Cortana during a training mission.[18] The Covenant arrives and invade, despite the best efforts of the Spartans and other UNSC forces. Aboard the spaceship Pillar of Autumn, Cortana plots a random course of escape.[20] Seemingly the last Spartan alive, the Master Chief enters cryonic sleep along with the Pillar of Autumn's crew.

SPAM-FRITTER-1234803d ago

gamer300 LOL, we all know you have never owned an xbox.

Jazz41084803d ago

@ darkride...your not the only one. I enjoy the sp geow experience very much and have played the entire series to see what happens. Their writing is not brilliant but the go for the fun factor and al2ays have. Now this deve from deadspace needs to keep his mouth shut. What's their to gain by upetting the 3 or 4 million people that by gears and enjoy it. I enoy deadspace but the writing is not why I enjoy that game either but because these devs have to go off and insult other teams I loose respect for people like that. If I recall isn't deadspace published by ea? If so that says a lot.

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Eyeco4803d ago

gears of war writing and script is absolute ass, how can anyone disagree with that,and before anyone goes on about the "deep backstory" the Serans are supposed to be a couple centuries ahead of earth humans yet they had no knowledge of the geology in their own planet ..pfft. the Game is still great tho

mochachino4803d ago (Edited 4803d ago )

Gears 1 set up the series for a great storyline - it had an interesting world, characters and overarching crisis with the a great mix of seriousness and silliness, but it all went down hill from there and entirely lost focus.

Gears 1 started that feeling of hopeless desperation, then Gears 2 and more so 3 just failed to impress the fact that humanity was on the brink of extinction and replaced it with bad jokes and trivial missions.

In terms of Gears 3, there was more story in the 30 second commercials than in the entire game.

It's still one of my favourite series though, it just wasted its potential - that writer should be fired.

BlackPrince 424803d ago

I feel like Gears would have worked better if it were mock serious.

Like when Marcus is mourning the death of (I won't spoil it just in case but you know who) it's freaken hilarious. Almost like The Room.

If the whole game had been like that, you know, an ironic satire of gruff space marine melodrama. That would have been great.

spicelicka4803d ago

@mochachino

i agree with that. The gears universe is awesome and the premise of the story is amazing. They set it up really good, it's just the writing that's bad, specially the queen my god she has the corniest lines ever.

Even though it's an amazing amazinggg game, they pulled an extremely stupid move by hiring a random lady who had no idea about the universe. Seriously, i was so pissed at how little knowledge she had about the game. She probably had some story planning in mind for a book or something and forced it on the game.

ritsuka6664803d ago

Haters always consistently bash Gears of wars, storyline. But it's got one of the best plots than 90% of games exclusives in PS3.Characters are all likable, it's original and it's simply a enjoyable read regarding the books, comics and or informal aticles about Gears 3.

Crystallis4803d ago (Edited 4803d ago )

You're kidding right. I wouldn't of said anything when you said the plot was one of the best but when you mentioned ps3 exclusives you just sound like a fanboy. The characters are dry, the voice acting is horrid and don't get me starting on the plot.

Now what Gears does great are the visuals and the online shooter aspect of the game.

Krakn3Dfx4803d ago

You're right, the storylines in games like Heavy Rain, Infamous, Uncharted, MGS4, Heavenly Sword, and Resistance don't hold a candle to the literary masterpiece that is the equivalent of a football team fighting aliens.

shinrock4803d ago

@Crystallis.no one wants to be a helgast,but they do want to be a COG.people don't want to be drake,but they want to be master chief. people dont want to be kratos,oh wait...... scratch that one. the only people who like ps3 exclusive characters are ps3 hardcore fans.

Hicken4803d ago

No one wants to be a Helgast? Riiight. That lets me know exactly how little you know of what you're talking about. You probably think Rico and the ISA are the main characters, too. Your similar remark about Drake is also disregarded.

You also left out Cole and Snake, too. And I'm certain there are a few more you could think of.

Well, since you're a fanboy and a troll, maybe not.

BlackPrince 424802d ago (Edited 4802d ago )

@Shinrock

What do you mean who wants to be those characters? You mean for Halloween? For real? To make believe pretend to be?

Do you mean people look forward to playing as certain characters? That might make some sense, but obviously people do like to 'be' Drake or 'be' a soldier in Killzone because those games keep selling.

But do you really look forward to playing Halo and Gears for the characters? The characters in those games are pretty one dimensional. They grunt words and shoot things. To my mind, playing those games is more about the action and set pieces, not because your invested in the characters.

spicelicka4802d ago

stop turning this into a battle of exclusives you ignorant lowlives. Wtf does the gears story have anything to do with any ps3 exclusive? An exclusive is no different than a normal game u retard so why are you generalizing.

You disgrace me and i dont even have a ps3!

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TheTwelve4803d ago

Who plays Gears of War for the story? It's a bunch of muscle-bound brutes fighting aliens. I mean, I didn't play it in order to be impacted by deep thought and plot.

For that reason, it was kind of funny to see the writers attempt to create dramatic scenes within the game. I was like, "C'mon, that's not the main reason why folks play this game, move on to the next fight please..."

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GameOn4803d ago

The 2 dramatic scenes in Gears 3 were pulled of very well in my opinion. In fact i cant think of many shooters that did a much better.

StraightPath4803d ago

he could of gave an example..the characters in Gears series were memorable and great and story was not that bad as he makes it to be...millions of people enjoyed it. Not the most amazing story but a statisfactory one it was. other games have worse stories.

kevinsheeks4803d ago (Edited 4803d ago )

Never played gear's but from what i hear its amazing O.o

Jim Hawking4803d ago

I agree with the dead space guy in every way possible

Legion4802d ago

Oh snap... someone from literally the most boring space story game I have ever seen has commented on another game that has have terrible writing!?

Maybe he should write something that doesn't consist of something everyone else has done and then come back and talk to us?

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belal4803d ago

it's true :P but thats not what makes gears of war great, it's the gameplay, cover system and boss fights. the story is quite simple: kill the enemy.

jimmins4803d ago

Almost goes to prove it doesn't need a story - look at doom/quake. Next gears should be a tournament shooter.

ardivt4803d ago

absolutely this.
I play most games for the gameplay and not for the story.
sad to say but of the hundreds of games I played there were maybe 20 with a touching and deep story. hell, my favourite game series like unreal/quake/c&c/ghost recon have ridiculous stories and I would not want to miss them.

Ravenor4803d ago

@ Ardivt

GR1 didn't really have a story...

TimmyShire4803d ago

Very good point. Why should we care *what* someone is saying if the gameplay is good?

Gazondaily4803d ago

Precisely.

Gears of War does a lot of things right but the writing isn't one of them.

There was potential in the story but Epic squandered it away with hollow characters with cringe worthy dialogue.

Gears to me is all about the gameplay. No one can deny that it gets that right.

_Aarix_4803d ago

I still liked the story though. The whole experience is amazing.

Cosmo8114803d ago

The *ahem* "bit" with Dom in GoW3 was one of the most emotional parts of any video game I've played. Fuckin onions man.

Kalowest4803d ago

I actually like the Gears of War series story, and I'm a story driven person.

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TimmyShire4803d ago

Stories and writing in games is almost always awful. I can think of a few that aren't, but on the whole gaming has nowhere near the quality of films - and that's clearly what they're trying ape.

Lilioups4803d ago

metal gear solid
Mass effect trilogy say hello

LightofDarkness4803d ago

I know the fanboys will eat me alive, but MGS has some pretty bad writing. It's filled with Mcguffins, "Deus Ex Machina" plot-hole-be-gone explanations for things they couldn't come up with a half decent explanation for (nanomachines!), and dull, overly lengthy and self-indulgent expository dialogue and scenes. The man needs to hire editors.

SpecialK4803d ago

Im a massive fan of MGS but trying to tie everything up with a one size fits all answer of nanomachines did make me cringe a little.

You could even tell even Hideo didnt quite understand it since it took a 30 min sequence to be explained...

Ravenor4803d ago

Metal gear Solid 4: The Movie.

It had better have a decent story considering how much time you spent sitting there staring at a screen while the game "explains" itself...repeatedly.

Drano4803d ago

As a hardcore walking Metal Gear Solid bible fanboy, I gotta agree with LightofDarkness: it's not good all the way. Metal Gear Solid 4 is especially good for looooong empty cutscenes but at least, even if not all the answers were satisfactory (Vamp and Naomi as a prime example), Kojima Studios still managed to wrap the series up.

Still prefer a heatlhy dose of the "expository dialogues" over a "The Island was in your heart all along" ending à la Lost.

pandaboy4802d ago (Edited 4802d ago )

How can you dislike the nanomachines explanation? Graphene nanomachines inside your body is literally the technology of the future. Forget that supernatural nonsense. The story as a whole may be told unconventionally, but that is what makes it so interesting and rewarding.

p.s. I remember the Gears fanboys not long ago arguing that their game told a better story than Uncharted xD

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ThatEnglishDude4803d ago (Edited 4803d ago )

@SpecialK

Yeah Hideo did struggle with MGS4. Bare in mind, it wasn't even his intention to continue the story past MGS3. As a result, we get a game that (although brilliant in design) resorts to using a simple explanation for everything that comes off in a desperate attempt to wrap up the story. Hideo HIMSELF wants to be done with the story. Fan demand got the better of him I guess. MGS4, the character of Snake being tired and wanting to die was almost like Hideo himself saying 'Look...I want to be done with this. Let me move on' at least, that's what I got out of it.

He took a story, wrapped everything up not only with the Metal Gear SOLID storyline, but also tied it with the original Metal Gear story - which by now is a franchise that has lasted over 20 years. So yeah, of course it's going to feel half hearted. YOU try wrapping up loose ends to a story you started over 2 decades ago, desperately trying to plug every plot hole in the series up to that point, and end the storyline. He tried so hard to address any story thread he could as if to say 'Look fuckers, this happened here, this happened there, this is what happened after this...this explains that. The end, happy?"

Kojima has said in many interviews he wants to do something new. At the same time, he's his own worst enemy because it's his baby and he doesn't want to upset his fans. Metal Gear Solid is my most favorite series of all time but even I wouldn't want to see another game in the series. MG:Rising is a huge stretch and seems to be grasping at straws on the franchise. It would have been much better to have it as a new IP and not associate it with the Metal Gear name because as soon as people hear 'Metal Gear' they assume Solid Snake and the unrelenting fucks just won't stop demanding more games about him.

Again, that's just my opinion. Bring the dislikes mofo's haha. But this is about Gears of War, and yeah...the story sucks. It was fine in the original and served it's purpose but as the series went on, I can't help but feel they tried taking it too seriously and try to make us care about these one dimensional characters. It just didn't work.

SpecialK4803d ago (Edited 4803d ago )

He's said that a few times though hasnt he even before MGS3? Correct me if im wrong. Personally I think MGS3 was the best of the series, and both the second and original very closely followed.

I hope he does something new though. MGS4 wasnt quite as good as the rest but it was still a brilliant game, and he would be wise to leave it on a highish note before the series becomes tainted.

Unfortunately though This Metal Gear Raiden game could be the spin off to damage what is one of my favorite series =(

LightofDarkness4803d ago

Yea, I got that impression from the game myself. I would much rather he made a new ZOE, or a new IP altogether.

Feckles4803d ago

Agree. That bit when Dom died. LOL.

TBM4803d ago

Agreed i was glad when he got off, i hated his character from the minute i started the first game. even though i like the gears franchise it doesn't give me that feeling of awe. the writing made me laugh with every game.

redDevil874803d ago

MAAAARRRRRRRRIIIAAAAAAAAAAAA!! !!!

Ravenor4803d ago

If I hit this derelict busted car will it bring it across that I'm really torn up about Maria person better? No? I'm going to do it anyway!

TekoIie4803d ago (Edited 4803d ago )

I still think that some of the lines which people think are cheesy are pretty cool For example:

"I guess this is where you want me to say i always loved you. But i dont. I really really DONT"!

I dont care what anyone says i loved that scene :)

GameOn4803d ago

That truely was terribly done but the scene where dom dies was actually done well and that pisses me off since it always gets slated.

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Gears of War 2 Remake was in development “10 years ago” but was scrapped by Xbox

Ayi Sanchez: "Old work. I did this 10 years ago now as part of a material test for a remaster of Gears of War 2 that never happened."

RaidenBlack95d ago

lolz,
hope we're still getting Gears 2 & 3 for PC, as per rumors

Cacabunga95d ago

Xbox always taking the right decisions

XiNatsuDragnel95d ago

Wow... just wow Microsoft sigh at it again 😑

Lightning7795d ago

Weird, in mean they had no studios to make anything really new so there's a part of me thats kinda glad they scrapped it. If they released this back then it would of gotten ridiculed for remakes and remastering stuff. Now they have new and interesting games so the collection is harmless.

CrimsonWing6995d ago

Geez, Xbox, something like that I would’ve bought Day 1. Great business decisions over there.

lucasnooker95d ago

10 years ago it wasn’t such a big deal. The games were only a few years old by that point

CrimsonWing6995d ago

Gears of War: Ultimate Edition came out in 2015 (essentially 10 years ago), having a follow-up to that on the then next-gen console would’ve absolutely been welcomed, in my book.

LoveSpuds95d ago

I can only assume the the Gears of War Remaster flopped so they decided to scrap the other remakes?

Seems short sighted to me as I really enjoyed the 1st remaster. Regardless, I'll snap up some remakes to play on my PS5.

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Gears Of War Creator Urges Devs To Make Single-Player Games Amid EA's Live Service Focus

Gears of War's creator has spoken out against the trend of turning established franchises into live services, urging developers to focus on single-player experiences.

Relientk77128d ago

I agree with Cliff for once.

Single player games > GaaS

JEECE127d ago

Too bad he didn't have this opinion when he chased trends with Lawbreakers. Or when he chased trends with Radical Heights.

Popsicle127d ago (Edited 127d ago )

He learned from the mistake or he wouldn’t be advocating for more single player experiences. I find this refreshing in a world where we often see people so stubborn that they tend to double down on a mistake which results in making things even worse. Seriously, good for him!

JEECE127d ago

@Popsicle

Oh for sure, better late than never. And better to somewhat own up to your mistakes, rather than just blaming your release window, or advertising partners, or gamers lol.

anast127d ago

@Popsicle

Of course we will never know his intentions, but it's hard to believe he is just a naive agent that is learning from his mistakes.

-Foxtrot128d ago

He could have done one himself after Gears of War but he did Lawbreakers…look how that turned out.

RaidenBlack128d ago

Not converting Jawbreakers into F2P was the final nail in the CliffyB coffin.

Knushwood Butt127d ago

Jawbreakers would have been a better name! Heck, I might just go and trademark that right now.

BISHOP-BRASIL127d ago

@Knushwood

Aren't those a kind of candy already?

coolbeans127d ago

You're missing the point. His studio's short lifespan is what *inspired* him to make this comment in the first place.

-Foxtrot127d ago

Oh I know the point...I'm just stating the obvious and how stupid he was in the beginning to jump on a trend he had no real experience in. A first person hero shooter with heavy GaaS elements is a lot different than the multiplayer in Gears of War.

He'd have been better creating something like Gears of War again, a great single player story and a good online mode.

coolbeans127d ago

-"A first person hero shooter with heavy GaaS elements is a lot different than the multiplayer in Gears of War."

I mean... you're kinda muddying terms when Gears has always had a strong multiplayer component. Even if I grant you that, Cliffy B started cementing himself at Epic with Unreal Tournament, which was among the earliest shooter series to have "proto-GaaS elements" (downloadable maps, cosmetics, special editions that bundle stuff together). Lawbreakers and Radical Heights (were it finished) weren't major career shifts to him like they would be for, say, Fumito Ueda.

Regardless of that, it's still kinda useless to state the obvious when CliffyB himself made his comments with the benefit of hindsight already.

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CrimsonWing69127d ago (Edited 127d ago )

Look, these a-hole publishers can do this, in fact I want them to, so they can f*ck around and find out and fail hard scaring away everyone else from doing this live service push.

This industry is run by some of the dumbest corporate pieces of sh*t I’ve ever seen. They spend stupid amount of money with literally nothing that stands out from games from the previous generation (look at Arkham Knight to the $200 mill Suicide Squad comparison vids), you’re overpaying devs, and you focus on games as a service to milk consumers that a lot of them grew up off traditional games. We’re not idiots, we sniff this sh*t out and won’t touch it.

So, what’s your answer to not getting a ROI? Raise game prices and double down on GaaS so you can suck your consumers dry. That model only works for some games and even then how in hell do you expect it to work with multiple games!? They’re ruining the damn hobby with this corporate greed.

Cut back on dev budgets, cut back on how much your staff is getting paid, until sales for games bring in a profit. That’s the answer and make some games that feel like there’s passion behind them, not some cookie cut up game that feels like the entire existence behind it is to offer as little as it can with repetitive bullsh*t and selling off all this content throughout its life. It’s gross.

anast127d ago

I agree with every point here.

Redemption-64126d ago

Games do bring in a profit, it's the greed that is killing the industry. Here is a fact, live service games overall make more, significantly more money than single player games

What you should be asking is executives not wanting continuous growth or firing them. Saying devs should be fired when those who are fitting the bills and setting unrealistic expectations would make things worse. What do y9u think would happen if they released say, 30 single player games and over half of them fail? You are going after the wrong crowd.

DankSinatra127d ago

About time he learned. I guess he finally stopped blaming everyone else and took accountability for his mistakes and realized that people really don't care that much for trends or live service.

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Report: Gears of War Trilogy Collection Will Be Multiplatform and Available on PS5 Day One

A new rumor suggests that the Gears of War Trilogy Collection is real, with it launching on the PS5 day one with Xbox and PC.

LG_Fox_Brazil133d ago

Yeah, I can totally see that happening. My only doubt is if they are going to announce that at the same time as the Hallo Collection or if they will try to distance both announcements to try to ease the pain

helicoptergirl133d ago

This same insider was correct about Forza Horizon 5. So this might be true. But I heard rumors are the Halo:MCC is the next big one to be announced. We'll see I guess

DefenderOfDoom2132d ago

I am hoping Halo:MCC comes to PlayStation .

Cacabunga132d ago

Someone check on Obscure Observer please

piroh133d ago

They should announce dedicated showcase for all Playstation ports, it would be less painful for their fanbase.

Anyway thank you Team Xbox and Phil i will support the games.

Profchaos133d ago

Phil should wear a crash t shirt to that

Profchaos133d ago

I see them being in the same year but halo coming alongside ns2 and if e day is early next year gears collection could come at Christmas time

The_Blue133d ago

Ease the pain? You do know these people won't even entertain us irl, ironic 😭

1Victor133d ago

NOOOOOOOOOOOO screamed an obscured observer from across the room the street.
Well I’ll check it out DAY 1 🤣 I hope the do a good job porting it and don’t have issues like MCC did when it first launched on s/x🤷🏿

Mr_cheese133d ago (Edited 133d ago )

This will be cool

TheEroica132d ago (Edited 132d ago )

Ease the pain? Pain for who? Lol. More games on more platforms is a gamer friendly approach. Locking games behind hardware is archaic and lame... Let's not turn into corporate stooges.

TheEroica132d ago

4 corporate suits voted me down. Shame. Pro gamer all the way.

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Lightning77133d ago

I remember talking about this with someone on the forums and they made some good points. Like what exactly are these old games doing at the moment? They pushed the hardware and did everything they needed to do for that platform at the time. Now in MS case even their new games are gonna be day and date but if we're taking about old games. Those games are just sitting their not doing anything anymore. When you port the old stuff to another console, that game has life again and move few more units and a new audience.

As I said Xbox is different because their stuff is inching closer and closer to be day and date. Though both Xbox and PS have old games that are just sitting around when they could have new audiences and breathe new life into the older exclusives.

Terry_B133d ago

Just imagine how well collections of older Nintendo games would sell on pc, xbox and playstation...

NotoriousWhiz133d ago

I honestly don't expect Nintendo to gain much from releasing their games on 3rd party consoles. People are conditioned to buy Nintendo games on Nintendo hardware. Once that changes, Nintendo will probably lose out on revenue as people pass on their underpowered console to wait for their game to release on a superior console. Tons of people only have a Switch for exclusives, and those exclusives sell better than most games on the other platforms and Nintendo is able to pocket the bulk of that revenue since it is their game on their console.

Profchaos132d ago

Not very considering rom packs have been eaily accessible for years now it's only really GameCube and above you need to pick and choose because the game size is fairly large and the Wii IMO didn't emulate well considering the motion controls.

So as incredible as they are I doubt they would sell unless they are overhauling them somehow but then again I wouldn't want to see them overhauled but that's just me I still play the NES version of Mario 3 over the SNES all stars version as a example because I think it looks better.

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Sonic1881132d ago

All you had to say was Microsoft is a third party publisher now

Lightning77132d ago

Huh? They clearly are what are you trying to get at?

rlow1132d ago

That still makes and releases a console…..which knocks them out of the third party club…..nice try

Sonic1881132d ago

@rlow1

A third-party publisher that still releases a console? Sure, whatever makes you sleep at night. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what they're trying to do.

generic-user-name132d ago

The Series X/S backwards compatibility to their old classics was one of the last few selling points for those consoles.

RaidenBlack133d ago

Finally Gears 2 & 3 coming to PC !

neutralgamer1992133d ago (Edited 133d ago )

Exactly I also hope we get a fable collection since fable 2 never came to Pc

I hope we also get gears of war 4 on Pc too since only gears 5 is on steam along with tactics

ninjabutt13133d ago

Gears 4 is already on pc, maybe not in steam but its in xbox app

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isarai133d ago

Where's the goalposts gonna go now? 😀🫳🍿

helicoptergirl133d ago

Get an obscure person to bend over and then I'll show you :)

Chevalier133d ago

They're too busy crying in a corner and being served crow again though. Pretty sure everything is going to voicemail.

goken132d ago

@helicoptergirl
Normally with articles like this the person you mentioned is usually obscured from observation 🤣

Profchaos133d ago

Revenue same as always Microsoft don't care about community it's reputation and they've never been worried about losing loyal customers if you recall the Kinect era they abandoned the hardcore entirely to pursue the hardcore gamers grandma

Outside_ofthe_Box133d ago

"Where's the goalposts gonna go now?"

"It's just old games sitting around doing nothing! Might as well get money from it and a new audience you can use to potentially make it exclusive again for next gen for them to be enticed to jump ship!"

~New goalpost

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Outside_ofthe_Box133d ago (Edited 133d ago )

"Eventually Sony will likely be forced to do the same"

Is that you begging for games that you once bashed in the past? Too funny, things must be dry in your land.

Chevalier133d ago

"aren’t selling as much as Xbox - and the answer will be that they are on less platforms."

No they won't because Xbox doesn't announce sales numbers at all. So how would they compare these sales? What idiotic logic. These shareholders going to pull numbers out their backside?!

thorstein132d ago

Why doesn't he just use the one account. How many N4G tabs does he have open with different accounts?

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neutralgamer1992133d ago

Why do you need goalposts? More gamers will get to play games. Phil said it few days ago again no game has any red line around it. Seriously man it's gaming and your choice of plastic box makes no difference

It's 2025 enjoy gaming on any platform. We should be celebrating how the Biggest gaming publisher is allowing their games to be played on all platforms but how can we get that when some people feel the need to take victory laps

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Chevalier133d ago

Well hate to say we told you so. But we called this happening as soon as we saw these big purchases and falling sales, but, a whole slew of people said this would NEVER happen. Goalpost keep moving too as if it's some weird flex.

thorstein132d ago (Edited 132d ago )

TBH, Forza, the Indiana Jones game, the next Elder Scrolls, and I hope Fable will make it over. I'm excited about those.

I don't think MS going the Sega route would be a bad thing. Nintendo and Sony are making good hardware. There's no reason to not make profit off of that.

But the goalposts moving is in reference to people who constantly approve and post disingenuous stories that they scream are true.

For instance, "you can build a comparable PC to a PS pro for $700," conveniently leaving off the OS. Or, "Sony delisted HD2 in 170 countries" when in reality, it was 170 regions of which SteamDB lists as having over 3000 regions.

neutralgamer1992132d ago

Chevalier

What is this with we. Yes most of us saw this coming and all I am saying is it's a great thing for gamers on all platforms. We should be celebrating the fact amazing games will be available to all of us instead of taking some victory lap because of a plastic box

Chevalier131d ago

"What is this with we. Yes most of us saw this coming and all I am saying is it's a great thing for gamers on all platforms. We should be celebrating the fact amazing games will be available to all of us instead of taking some victory lap because of a plastic box"

Cool and it should be celebrated. But this idiotic narrative is that it was done for us as consumers needs to die.

Lots of idiots trying to reframe this when they literally argued that this would NEVER happen when we said yes it will because Gamepass isn't profitable and sales losses all round and add in lower hardware sales and it was obvious

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1Victor133d ago

@isarai: “ Where's the goalposts gonna go now? 😀🫳🍿”
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The goal post is going home crawl into the shower open the flow and start crying while rocking back and forward i obscured by the darkness of the room.

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helicoptergirl133d ago

I haven't played any oif these games either. Will buy and go through the campgains for sure. They a co-op correct? Hope so

Yui_Suzumiya132d ago

They're amazing. If you ever played Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine then you already have an idea how they play.

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