Did Namco just Backstab Dark Souls Fans?

Remember when From Software firmly stated that no DLC was being planned for Dark Souls? Coincidentally, soon after, rumors of planned DLC started to surface the web at a rapid pace. Fans who poured over 100+ hours into the game waited patiently for any new announcements regarding new content. New bosses? New areas? New weapons and armor? Fans could not contain their excitement.

[fastrez]

No, because DLC could still be announced.

[Nevers]

We hope it could still be announced... is there another wall to break down somewhere though?

[MAJ0R]

I know that more content would be awesome but I think they would have a hard time integrating it into the online part of the game. Would you be able to connect with someone who has the DLC and you don't?

I'm sure this is the reason why DLC wasn't made for Demon's Souls.

[calibann]

Nobody 'deserves' the content more than anyone else. Console gamers have had a year to enjoy Dark Souls, PC gamer's needs are only now being gratified. Our patience has been rewarded with extra content. Extra content I hope console gamers will eventually get. In one year ;)

[TopDudeMan]

They already said they were working on DLC in january. I'm sure the "extra" content for the pc version is that DLC and we'll all get it in due time.

That being said, if it comes out any later than august I'm not buying the DLC.

Fair is fair, after all.

[Sarcasm]

Breasts.

That is all.

[Skizelli]

PC gamers have been given the shaft time and time again, and you're talking about fairness? Really? From Software doesn't owe you a damn thing. The fact that they listened to PC gamers' outcry for a port speaks volumes about this developer. Not even NetherRealm is willing to do that, despite all the requests for a PC port of MK9.

So the PC version gets new content. So what? Are you jealous or something? That's why you shouldn't limit yourself to one platform.

[Saladfax]

In response to someone asking about it, Rich Bantegui said to watch the Dark Souls facebook page.

This implies that an announcement is forthcoming regarding this very issue.

[CarlitoBrigante]

They betrayed PS3 gamers, only Sony gamers supported From Software for over a decade with their games ever since the beginning of Kings Field.

Oh btw, PC gamers will pirate this and ruin the game with their stupid mods.

[Saladfax]

Grow up.

[Krakn3Dfx]

Witcher 2 sold more copies on the PC than Dark Souls sold on the PS3, so your assertion that Dark Souls will only get pirated is pretty weak.

Also, you're the first person I've ever seen try to perpetrate mods as a bad thing. I bet if you do some yardwork and take out the trash, maybe your parents will buy you a PC to play games on!

[aquamala]

More people get to play their game, from software gets to make more money, just exactly who's hurting here?

[hiredhelp]

Oh btw, PC gamers will pirate this and ruin the game with their stupid mods.

Dam there i was going to buy it, stupid mods do you have any clue at all... be very carefull or that last bubble might just get MODified.

[mechlord]

bitchwhinin alert

[Skizelli]

You do realize that From Software has been around since 1986, right?

As for modding/cheaters, that's what GFWL is for. If you modify any files on a GFWL title, it won't let you connect to LIVE. You also run the risk of getting banned.

[JsonHenry]

Seeing as how there is still plenty of time to release this content on the consoles I don't see why this article even exists. If they announced they WILL NOT release this content on the consoles then I can understand it. But that is not the case.

[synchroscheme]

I personally thought they would take the Witcher 2 route of things. Since the Xbox 360 version is being released with an Enhanced Edition, people who already own the PC version will get the update for free.

That's just how I always expected things to work out.
Here's hoping for the best anyway.

[DeadlyFire]

Game is still a way from release and its very likely content will spread to PS3/X360 versions with an announcement later.

I thought the backstab was going to be GFWL crap. DLC always moves around. Just be patient.

[NYC_Gamer]

The announcements aren't over yet...people should just wait before getting all angry...

[h311rais3r]

The only reason for this is because the pc petition actually worked. Namco will probably port over the pc content to the consoles. There wouldn't be any content if there wasn't a pc demand!

[Baka-akaB]

Precisely . Either that or it was consoles dlc content they were working upon , and decided to delay to give pc version an incentive ... wich would still be good for everyone

[BlackTar187]

lol
k dude
you think consoles are only getting DLC because of PC.

k

[sedx]

this game is still exclusive in japan for ps3..DLC will come to consoles.

[Lucretia]

ummmm people are dumb, IF namco doesnt release this as dlc......then think

if a petition worked for a PC version, theeen it could work for DLC????

Derp

[Captain Qwark 9]

not really but i do hope they release the new edition on consoles, i would love to dive back into ds

[kevnb]

atleast it wasnt random pieces of armour already on the disk. Or my favorite, buy from gamestop and get a free sword!

[Dualshockers_Carlos]

show some love to the consoles!!!

[Merrill]

I feel kind of betrayed. I mean it was the console fan base(PS3) who accepted and embraced Demon's Souls and then again with Dark Souls.

But now the PC community gets to reap the rewards of their success and our loyalty? I'm not against the PC community getting it, I hope they buy the hell out of it, but announce it for the consoles at the same time.

[Baka-akaB]

Until they tell us there is no way it's coming on console , you have no ground to act betrayed and that entitled , imo .

They are taking a gamble on a pc version , that most likely some previous owners of the console version might purchase . I know i will .

Announcing some console dlc at the same time , would eat a chunk of their potential pc sales

[kevnb]

console elitists...

[Merrill]

I'm glad the PC community gets to play the game too, no elitism here my friend.

I just want to be able to continue playing my favourite game this generation.

[Baka-akaB]

Yeah , but the "pc version" aint any better with their list of demands and the rumbles of a petition against the game on GFWL :p.

[NYC_Gamer]

@Baka-akaB

Many are against GFWL because the service is just bad....it's really buggy/patches are always late and MS doesn't even support/pay attention to the darn service at all...I'm still gonna buy the game myself but won't bother with the online half...never got to experience DS co-op since brought the 360 version and my account is non gold status...

[Saladfax]

There is a very good reason why a lot of PC gamers are upset about the (potential) inclusion of GFWL.

It's like saying in order to play Dark Souls on PS3, you need to use Xbox Live. Obviously such a thing is quite impossible, which coincidentally also describes getting GFWL to function properly.

You only need to lose one 30 hour save or spend 4 hours in mindless patching and reinstallation to despise it. It's broken, poorly constructed, and there's virtually no chance of the online being decent in any fashion simply because you probably won't be able to connect with co-op or PvP individuals 3/4ths of the time.

It isn't mindless complaint or a sense of entitlement; a lot of people have had many issues with GFWL over the years. Heck, a lot of people bought Bulletstorm at full price and were never able to play it because of GFWL issues.

[STONEY4]

GFWL has a very bad habit of breaking or deleting game saves for no reason. I changed my GFWL username after a long time of have the preset name given to you, and I lost saves for Batman Arkham City and a few others, because some of the saves are apparently encripted to only work with one GFWL name.

Now that's just stupid. It's really garbage.

[STONEY4]

Edit: wrong post.

[Skizelli]

So much crying.

http://s15.postimage.org/lu...

[Summons75]

As long as they do what the Witcher 2 is doing and giving all the new content to the console owner for free then things would be fine. Though the whole "this game is 100% complete and on the disc" is complete BS now...

[Hicken]

Any game can be "100% complete" and still have DLC come out for it later. And that's because, generally speaking, any story can be continued, or some event can be expounded upon. That doesn't stop what's on disc from being "complete."

[StrawberryDiesel420]

Are you serious? They made the DLC because of extremely high demand from their fanbase. It wasn't made before the game's release with the intentions of leaving it out to only use it later as "DLC." If you played through Dark Souls, you would know it takes anywhere from 70-120hrs to complete, doing everything will take over 100hrs. I'd say that the game was in fact 100% complete and on the disc and anyone that disagrees with that is just being a blatant fanboy.

[Dualshockers_Carlos]

Diesel is right, this new content is definitely NEW content. I'm sure there was stuff that didn't make the final cut maybe cos of budgeting or timing but there was definitely no content being withheld on release. The game felt pretty darn complete to me...

[hano]

Man, PC users deserve just a little extra in my opinion.

I've been waiting a whole year to play this game and I didn't know it was going to happen until a week ago.

[HunterRose]

PC gamers don't deserve anything extra.

You chose to wait to play it, that doesn't mean you deserve something extra.

[Game0N]

I know we're not entitled but what the fuck?i definitely dont have a pc powerful enough for this game.If i did, no problem.

[ISNeko]

And thus, another impatient rager makes N4G....

[Merrill]

It's time for the PC petition signers to show their appreciation and go out and purchase this amazing game and be thankful they(FromSoftware)actually listened AND received extra content.

[caboose32]

Oh trust me, I'm going to buy the sh*t out of this game.

I think every PC gamer should buy this game, even if they don't like it, just because the fact that we actually got a publisher to listen to us by the power of our voices. It's pretty awesome.

[StayStatic]

Like wise GFWL or not I will buy this.

[caboose32]

Thank you for being a sensible gamer, and not over reacting like many people are doing.

From Software deserves our support.

[dredgewalker]

I wonder if they'll release an Armored Core game for the pc if people also petitioned for it?

[zavierkai]

Don't be cry baby your get a dlc hopefully for $10.00.Fan boys are so stupid.

[Ch1d0r1]

People want more Dark Souls, then give them more.

I consider this good news. At least we didn't get a 1 day bullshit DLC. Well hopefully the ps3 DLC rumor is true.

[Acquiesc3]

As people have been saying, there could be DLC. lol @ all the whiners and people feeling "betrayed." Get over yourselves. Played and platinum'd this on ps3 within 2 weeks of its release, PC gamers deserve all those extras considering we got to play a year earlier.

[BlackTar187]

lol yea you really deserve something extra. The game is awesome juts getting the game is enough. But im super happy anyways def. rebuying this on PC. But PC gamers are not entitled to anything and deserve nothing extra.

[Acquiesc3]

Putting aside the words "entitlement" and "deserving", people saying this version (PC) shouldn't have anything extra are not being realistic.

This is also a view in the business side of things, but let's look at it this way: You only have either a 360, PS3, or PC. A game you really want to play came out for a platform you didn't own. A year later, it's finally announced for your platform. Did you choose to wait? Hardly, since you didn't exactly have a choice aside from waiting or buying another platform (which is an unfair expectation for people to have).

Ask yourself this question. Would you rather pay the same price for a game that the other platform owners already played A YEAR AGO with NO extra content or with extra content?

If you're the developer/publisher, wouldn't you think this new audience would be more enticed to buy if there's extra content?

[specialguest]

I don't get these whiners at all. There's a lot of hypocrisy with these whiners too. It's common for games that were released a year later to have extra content as an incentive for being a year late.

Examples are Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Sigma 2. These were released a year later with improved graphics and extra content(new playable characters, weapons, modes, even co-op) some not even available for DLC on the Xbox 360. Lost Planet on PS3 was released with every known DLC all free on the blu-ray disc.

If Dark Souls PC version with it's extra content B/S, then how the hell is the examples I stated above not?? Ohh the hypocrisy.

[Kostchtchie]

i own the ps3 e/c version, i cannot wait get this for the pc also, great game

[Old McGroin]

Delighted that PC exclusive gamers will get to see what all the fuss is about and then some, it is a great game - and I agree with the writer of this articles last sentiment, as console gamers were not entitled to any extra content or DLC but it sure as hell would be nice if we got some :)

[DragonKnight]

So let me get this straight. From Software makes Demon's Souls. A game no one thought would stand a chance of doing well in the market. Not only does it do well, but Atlus calls it their best ever selling game that they ever published in their entire history. It is so loved that they extend the shutdown deadline of their servers for the game 3 times due to fan demand. So loved is this game that a demand for another is made and From Software obliges by creating Dark Souls, the spiritual successor to Demon's Souls.

Dark Souls is met with the same love and far more recognition thanks to the efforts of the console fans that loved Demon's Souls so much. It is easily a success and is still played a lot even to this day when games like Skyrim were released. So recognized is this game that PC gamers can't help but take notice of it and band together to plead to have the game come to their platform of choice. Finally, Namco Bandai decide to agree to the request and From Software begins making the game for the PC.

And for all the love and time the console players gave to this game, for all of the work they put into getting the series recognized as the amazing experience it is, for bringing success to a franchise that even the developers didn't have the highest hopes for, we're allegedly "not entitled" to getting the extra content PC gamers are getting that was funded by the dollars console gamers paid out to get the game?

I call the biggest, most massive pile of B.S. on that sentiment. No one forced you to not buy the game on consoles. No one made you wait a year to get a game you could get now. What makes you think you ARE entitled to extra content when you didn't put any support into the franchise at all? What, you think the game as it is now isn't worth enough to go out and buy on its own merits?

That kind of B.S. sickens me to my very core.

[ziggurcat]

to be fair, it's not that uncommon for a game to be released later on another system with content that the original release didn't have.

bioshock on PS3 came out a year after the X360 version and got a harder difficulty plus some DLC content that wasn't on the X360.

or

limbo came out a year after the X360 version on PS3/PC and ended up with an extra, secret level that wasn't in the X360 version.

[DragonKnight]

I agree with you, but my problem is with those people saying that the people who made the franchise the success it is aren't entitled to extra content. Content that wouldn't exist without the funding from our dollars. I think we are entitled to it more than anyone else.

[Dualshockers_Carlos]

Excellent point. Where's the appreciation for us DS and DaS that have collectively put over 500 hours into this franchise!

[Wigriff]

I am not only an avid Dark Souls fan, but I am a contributor and admin on the Dark Souls wiki, and have been playing it on PS3 since day one.

PS3/360 will likely see these additions as pay-for DLC; it's unlikely that we will be left out.

PC owners deserve these additions for free, because they did wait an entire year to play this game. Often, the same thing happens the other way around; a PC game will be ported to consoles later on with additions as an incentive to play. I never see PC gamers bitching about that.

[Acquiesc3]

You may have said it better than I did. I'm not a PC gamer, but seeing all these butthurt fans whine and twist logic to suit them and justify their whining further is amusing.

"hurr I paid for this on release and helped fund this otherwise unknown game! I DESERVE all these extras! Not the new PC audience! Never mind that I got to play it a year before they did! How DARE them do this to ME!"

[xGrunty]

Knowing From Software, it will be released for free. People need to calm down. But, considering it's gonna be mostly up to Namco, you'll probably have to pay. But who cares, I bought the CE for ps3, and I'll be buying PtD for my epic ass PC. :3

[Game0N]

ps3 gamer here..i just want to be treated equally thats all! maybe we are overreacting since they really haven't said that it it wasn't going to consoles. BUT THE CONTENT SOUNDS FUCKING AWESOME!!

[SaffronCurse]

Same here,

The two Companies i do not like at all from their disgusting practices are Activision and Bethesda. Ea is up there as well but not as bad as those two.

[VirtualSamadhi]

I SMELL A TROLL!

[C_Menz]

Wow, the person who wrote the article is just a huge whiner. Get over it, PC gamers wanted to get Dark Souls and finally were heard.

So what if they add in some additional content? It makes sense since the game is already somewhat "old" and it will help sell the PC version even more since it might draw some previous console players to buy it on their PC. It's a good business decision.

Whining about some console players not having a PC to play DS on is stupid as well. People who game on the PC miss out on a lot of console exclusives if they do not own a console, so why is it a problem if a PC version of a game that is released months later has a few more areas/bosses?

[Gigglefist]

I have faith that From Software will eventually give the content to console gamers.
They'll keep it PC only long enough to get PC sales from console gamers who already have the game.

I hope they release the DLC on consoles, but if not, they succeed in making me buy the game again on PC lol.

People need to stop "freaking" and getting so angry. It would see the gaming community has been rather immature as of late.

[honkyjesus]

Besides the difficulty fetish, it isn't really the best game. I have no idea when bad gameplay and last gen graphics became trendy.

Now, Super Meat Boy, that is a solid game. If it was easier or harder, the gameplay and level design is just amazing.

[LoaMcLoa]

It's funny how this guy is accusing this game for having "last gen graphics" and then recommends a 2D-game...

[Awesome_Gamer]

Its us console owners that made it famous in the first place.. i would lose al respect for them is they didnt the new content as DLC for consoles

[nemesiscw]

"Be wary of chest!"
"Ahead: Amazing View!"

[TGF_Zero]

That is a huge Back-stab. This is the same as when Mass Effect 2 came out for PS3 a year after PC and Xbox 360 owners bought it. Everything was fine Mass effect should have been played by everyone but then Bioware and EA announces that all that dlc that us PC and 360 owners paid our hard owned money for, was coming for free on the PS3. That is a Back-Stab just like what Namco Bandai is doing right now

[Bob Dole]

Bob Dole hasn't read any reports that this DLC will not come to consoles. The comparison you just made doesn't apply until NB gives it to PC for free then charges consoles, which most likely won't happen.

[TGF_Zero]

Lets wait and find out what happens than, I personally think PC gamers will get additional content for so that they can have a reason to buy the game.

[guitar_nerd_23]

It will probably come to consoles later.

I think it's actually quite fair as PC gamers get the game late, at a time the console versions can be picked up cheaply- it makes sense to give the PC version some timed exclusive added value.

[Somebody]

What a flame-baiting. hit-whoring whiny raging troll of an article.

It brazenly accused Namco of backstabbing the console players and then say that there might be a possibility they might announce the extra content as DLC at later date. That's a bit contradictory to the article's main flaming point. How can you accuse someone that way even though everyone doesn't know Namco's plans after the PC release?

LucaArt said Star Wars The Force Unleashed was too powerful for any PC. A year later a crappy port quietly made it way to the PC. Dice said Battlefield Bad Company was also too powerful for the PC. Then the sequel included a PC version. You never know with these game companies.

A number of posters here use the old "the PC gamers will pirate the shit out DS" crap but MAYBE the exclusive PC content is there to temp more people to actually buy it legitimately. Just like how a PS3 version of a game will have different Pre-order bonus than the X Box 360. Or why Heavy rain suddenly became a PS3 exclusive and Alan Wake became an X Box 360 exclusive (both games had a PC version being made at the same time as the consoles).

As for being the most "entitled" ones...well, don't you think the PC gamers are more entitled to franchises like Unreal, Ghost Recon, The Witcher, Far Cry, Half Life, Deus Ex and Battlefield, to name a few, than the console players? PC gamers did supported them long before they ever got to consoles. And yet, now PC gamers have to petition just to get proper graphic options for some games that were previously PC exclusives!

Set aside your rage/sense of betrayal and look it from a business standpoint. Namco is releasing a game to a piracy ridden platform. Putting a stupid DRM would immediately killed it before release so they turn to the next best thing : extra, exclusive content. If that still wouldn't work, re-release the content as consoles DLCs. Besides, like Baka said, giving out the content early for the consoles would definitely cut into the PC sales and ruin their attempt to minimize piracy. If you say a PC developer moving to console is to make money then, it is the same for this case. Namco need that extra bit of tricks to get PC gamers to buy DS and I'm one of them, regardless of GFWL. Hey, I'm happy for the X Box 360 gamers since they are going to enjoy The Witcher 2 next week. Hopefully some of you console gamers treat us the same way with DS.

So what happens if the consoles later got an exclusive content of their own? Should the PC gamers stay quiet or should the petition start again? Will the console gamers allow this in the spirit of gaming brotherhood or will they up in arms saying piracy will kill it?

[thetrugamer]

PC gets rewarded for waiting, simple. Stop crying console users and get powerful PC, problem solved.

[GROTSTOMPA]

No they didn't backstab anyone..... ridiculous rumor and a ridiculous complaint on consoles behalf. Console developers do this to PC every year and every day, but no one freaks out over it.. we (PC) accept that there is exclusive content everywhere, all consoles have divided each other into competition pockets of exclusivity.. no one else is to blame.
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Truth is, if you people want these things to stop, then you should all start supporting the idea of a single console, or getting rid of exclusivity once and for all.. it divides gamers, divides the community from actually doing any real innovation.. (people can't afford all consoles) all people worry about now is how to make the most money and who has the best exclusives... that's not what true gaming is about, true gaming is about the entire gaming community working together and having a good time. This is why I love playing on all platforms especially the PC, the strongest community is on PC hands down, and it really shows, but the console community is too divided, and it causes problems.

[RufustheSage]

I don't believe they said it wasn't coming to console, so why jump to the worst case scenario?