Dev sources claim AI, physics likely to suffer
"I suppose you don't need sophisticated physics to make a Mario game." Now that is funny, wonder which dev was so snarky about it.
You can bet your a** that Wii U will be more capable than PS360
Really? Can I? There's still no proof of the Wii U's capabilities so it's all rumour, good or bad.
There is simply now way (assuming the specs leaked in several places were correct) that this system is not capable of out performing both the PS3 and the Xbox360. DX10 video card, 1.5megs of RAM, and a 4-6 core IBM CPU with an improved architecture over the one in the 360 would simply demolish what the current gen consoles can accomplish. Again, that is assuming the specs above are even close. With all this talk from devs I am beginning to think the big N has decided to tone things down a bit from what we have been told sold so far.
@PirateThom Yes you can. Many PS360 fanboys say it themselves every time there is a story saying that the Wii U will be more powerful than this gen's consoles. They complain, "This shouldn't even be a story! Of course it will be more powerful! It BETTER be!" Also while there is no proof, every positive rumor has come from a big name publisher, while every negative rumor has come from some anonymous no name developer.
I think from a GPU perspective it will be more capable. However its certianly possible that the CPU will be toned down to lower costs, and as the article says that would affect physics and AI. In the end I think the Wii U will satisfy the core Nintendo audience, but like the Wii it will probably be left behind by 3rd party developers. It should be on par with the PS3/360, but it doesn't sound like its going to approach the Orbis/Durango.
You would have to be rather stupid to think it wouldn't be more powerful than a 6 year old console.
who knows, we haven't seen the full power of the ps3 or xbox360, aleready saw the tech demo of Quantic Dream "Kara" ? damn, when i saw that, i knew exactly that we don't need a new gen any time soon (but if it comes, its stil cool )
Considering that statements (not just rumors) are going back and forth, I'd say that it's likely to be about the same amount of power with some drawbacks and some advantages. And as long as Nintendo refuses to confirm NATIVE 1080p, I believe that the GPU will only be marginally better than the ps360.
"You can bet your a** that Wii U will be more capable than PS360" I would not if i was you! Nintendo has always made great systems in my opinion without the upto date Hardware being in the systems they release. the 3DS for instance is a great system but Hardware spec. wise it's not as robust as many seem to think. Nothing wrong with that because it's always about the Gaming experience, its never really been about the system's spec's in the machine with Nintendo, its always been about the software. do you know how old the Hardware spec processor that's in the 3DS is? ARM 11 that's ver 6! Arm released its licence for ARM 11 in 2002! its very robust for what it can do, but on the same token it's far Behind than what is capable in today's ARM core designs. Like i said this is not really about the Graphic's it's about the CPU inside the system, which may in fact be weaker. That really should not matter since it's the Game's that matter an what the developer's can do with the hardware on hand. An Nintendo has some of the best tallented developer's in the industry. So in my opinion its not really something to be that worried about. @AngelicIceDiamond AI and physics are the most important programming methods. With out that it doesn't matter how great the game looks if you have terrible AI and bad Physics its only half a game at that point. while what you stated is Quite true in my opinion, there is thing's you do in games with AI an Physic's That can give a great gaming experience without being as taxing on the cpu/clock cycle that what you would need in other game's. It just depends on what type of game you are designing. @2EHO The fact that Ibm is making the CPU inside the Nintendo WiiU is nothing really new. the Memory on chip is also nothing new, that's just the evolution of SOC's in design's. the physic's an AI can be effected on How that Chip is designed, depending on what you want the Chip to mainly do. Depending on the design will have or could indeed have an effect on the newer chip, if its design is geared toward something else instead, only so much onboard chip real estate that you have at one time. SOC's while have many combined elements are not the catch all lynchpin for every problem.
The problem, IMHO, pertains to the Wii's target audience. Most of them will be satisfied just to see Mario and Link and the rest of the Nintendo ensemble in HD graphics. Nintendo's recent history suggests that their next gen console will be equal or just marginally more powerful than the competitions current gen console e.g. the Wii compared to the PS2/XBOX and now the Wii U compared against the PS3/XBOX 360.
All I can say is that it would be really sad if the Wii U is only just as powerful as the PS3 and 360.
Nintendo at it again. The streak of selfish decisions remains unbroken. Poor fucking fans.
LMAO. WOW the dev. that made the Mario comment made one of the best dev. funnies in a long time. Just wow. Getting on topic, the Wii U has more RAM (most likely 1GB), and a better GPU than the PS360. The CPU was rumored to be a slightly improved version of the one the 360 used, so based off pure specs. the Wii U is a more powerful console. I truly believe using the system to stream video to the tablet controller is what's holding the Wii U back. They must have a dedicated amount of CPU working specifically for the tablet which is why it suffer processing issues vs. the PS360. What the dev. said is true, complicated physics and realism aren't in the majority of Nintendo's franchises so there's no real big push in getting a more expensive processor, and devs. are just going to have to deal with it. What this means is destructible environments aren't going to be comparable to what we've seen in Battlefield 2/3, Killzone 3, Red Faction, etc... But the games will graphically be on par and possibly a bit better than PS360. So the Wii U looks good, but doesn't have the most brains out of the bunch.
who cares about the spec's?? long as the game graphic's look better than the wii (cartoony) and mario would look FANTASTIC, better GRAPHIC,GPU
Fantastic compared to what? It will look fantastic compared to Wii/3DS versions, but will just look normal compared to PS3/360 games. Probably still won't look as good as some of them.
AI and physics are the most important programming methods. With out that it doesn't matter how great the game looks if you have terrible AI and bad Physics its only half a game at that point.
AI sure but physics really isn't THAT important, it's not a quarter of a game.
I'll believe it when we get the name of the developer.
I'll believe it when we aren't still pre release. By this logic I never should have expected more from the 360 then what I got in 2005 (Shit) or the PS3 in 2006...I don't need to go into detail about how disappointing that launch line up was technically.
I like how all the anonymous "devs" are saying bad things...
it happens with every console. Sony and Microsoft have been on the receiving end of this, and now Nintendo
So she's got the looks but not the brains, eh? As long as she's fun to be around I'll consider getting her number.
You really are an old man, aren't you
if its specs can't even surpass current-gen consoles? Are these developers just spouting bulls**t, or is Nintendo in such a bad place with the Wii right now that they feel they need to rush out a new system masquerading as next-gen just so they can keep the sales momentum going with the Wii brand? If the WiiU really isn't as powerful as the PS3 then I'm not touching it with a 60ft barge pole.
I agree completly. If they arent in a position to sell it at a slight loss with decent tech then they go route of Sega(softwareonly). While the tablet contoller is intriguing id rather have more power and a standard controller.
But it has that new-fangled controller! Think about it man, in every game you can use that expensive controller to display your map or inventory! You don't have to clutter the screen or pause! Seriously though, it's going to be overpriced for what it offers, just like the Wii, the DS, and the 3DS. Old tech coupled with a gimmick, which is what they'll hang their hat on to over charge.
Being at least $100 under the price of the competition is overpriced? The Wii was only $50 more expensive than the Gamecube. I know what you're going to say; "It was old tech wah wah blah blah." The Wii supported lower HD resolutions (480i through composite cables I believe), was bundled with Wii Sports, was fully backwards compatible with the previous generation and it offered downloadable games and later on allowed media viewing like Netflix and Hulu. Also the Wii had slightly more graphical prowess than the Gamecube, offering some very, very nice bloom effects. And by the way, it had some damn beautiful looking games despite the "old tech." Mario Galaxy, Skyward Sword, Muramasa: Demon Blade and several others really took advantage of what it could do. The Wii was not a bad console so much as its library was not fantastic for core gamers. Gaming families would be more accurate to the target audience.
@poprock "Being at least $100 under the price of the competition is overpriced?" It is when your competition is selling their hardware in at a loss, while your making tons of profit of yours.
Don't judge a book by its cover....I think this is a very useful saying we can apply to consoles. They may not be the most powerful thing but they hold some surprises. I look forward to the Wii U probably will not get it at launch but at some point I will. I do hope that Nintendo did put some decent hardware in it. Think to they probably want to develop a console that can hit the market at a nice price for launch that people can actually afford. Nintendo also aims a lot for casual so I really would not expect a huge leap. I would love to see another leap like how it was from N64 to GC.
This concerns me. I was pretty set on getting a wiiu even with it only being 60% - twice as powerful as current gen. But with potentialy less powerful in any reguard is simply unacceptable. Im ready for next gen now. Have been since i saw BF3 on mid pc. There are enough people like me to keep wiiu sold out for a while if they were to not cheap out and release a beefier system.
You really should take this with a grain of salt. Just wait for the console to come out so we can really see what it's like.
I'm not really surprised that the Wii U is less powerful than the PS3 or the 360. Nintendo's are always taking "the cheaper route" to save some money and avoid manufacturing costs. They just want to pleased the fans and doing business at the same time. HD system is one of the most requested features fans have been requesting from Nintendo since the Wii era.
This is ridiculous. These websites are obviously fabricating this whole story to get hits. Anonymous sources my arse....These's quotes from said "anonymous developers" just don't look professional at all. I'll continue to trust the known developers and what they've said about the Wii U since, well, they actually have Wii U dev kits and they actually make games. It really is sad that people brush aside the praise that big developers had for the Wii U, but some random "anonymous developer" comes about saying the system is underpowered and everybody jumps on it. This is a sad sad world.
Not that i disagree with you , but when has a big dev been saying negative things about a new platform they develop for ? It's usually always awesome , and you notice the truth behind it after games start being released .. the reality being positive or not
Again, by that logic we all should have been screaming bloody murder at the quality of 360 and PS3 launch titles. Not getting into the mostly antiquated design in all the games since that is unrelated, technically they were all sub par. AI, Physics, Lighting were all incredibly disappointing at launch on the 360. Half Life 2, Doom 3 and Far Cry gave every launch title a run for its money and they all came out before the launch of the 360. (On the PC) Speculating on anonymous quotes doesn't make for a healthy conversation.
Well it's kinda my point ... it's useless to speculate and read into the overly positive AND negative rumors till we see more
Epic's Mark Rein actually referred to the original Wii as, and I quote, "a piece of shit." He in the past couple of months commented on how the Wii U is a great console. Valve pulled a similar switcheroo according to Shok. So yes, it's happened. Particularly to Nintendo as well. Again, this "underpowered" rumor is coming in the form of several articles since the day after April Fools. People should take the words of these "anonymous developers" with a massive grain of salt.
Epic wasnt developping on the wii to begin with . And Valve was badly commenting on the ps3 before they decided to go there . Notice like you said the switcheroo , suddenly it's not a piece of crap , yet nothing changed within it's core innards .
This could be true considering Nintendo in the year 2012 stil don't offer hd gaming. They have been known latey to go gimmicky and the wiu looks to be following suit.
unnamed source: Check Childish Comments in the article: Check Comments that are clearly contradict statments from actual Devs: Check fanboys freaking out from both sides from a clearly fake article? Priceless wait till E3 people
I can't wait , this trash boring In other news the new Xbox will allow you to fight crime with your own personal super hero drone.
Well it doesn't matter if is more powerful or not, if the only games we will see are more Mario games, besides ps360 will have better looking and optimized 3rd parties games, sense they been in the market for longer, devs already know the hardware and can optimize it to the max, while the new console would take some time to be at the same lvl, they will need first parties games to set them selfs to a new standard, if not they are basically doom to hardcore audience
I like how the wii came after the ps3 and xbox and was crap tech wise and the ds, nor the 3ds compare to the vitas tech and graphics yet ppl find it hard to believe the wii u will not be as powerful as they think lol Keep dreaming ppl have been speculating this for months and although it is only speculation recent history shows where Nintendo has been going with systems. Cheap, gimmicky (tablet controller lol) and tech nothing to write home about.Dont be surprised ppl. If after 5 years this system is weaker or just on par with ps3 graphics consumers would be stupid to buy it. And yeah keep saying the hardware is the only thing that makes a system last time i checked the most acclaimed game of this generation that has garnered the most awards came from Sony (cough cough uncharted 2) which definitely wouldnt have been possible with weak tech.
Almost every developer seems to be confused about the WiiU's power. Some say it's better and some say it's equal and others say it's worse (in some aspects).
I disagree! All the developers that have the latest devkits issued right before CES are all saying the very same thing, that wiiu is a pretty powerful system. Only these anonymous so called developers are saying negative things, which means they probably don't even have devkits and are just making stuff up on the fly
eitherway, fact is the ps4 and next xbox will be way stronger thhan the wii-u, and the wii-u will be left behind and become the new Wii of the next generation. Dated hardware, lack of 3rd party, lack of a proper online community.......meh
Yup. The fact that it's even struggling to be compared to the current gen is actually quite laughable. I can't even imagine how underpowered it will be for multiplats in 3-4years.
thats the whole thing that most nintendo purest dont understand. sure the 1st party games were good, but the fact is, for the original wii to be so weak and be supposedly easy to dev for, look how long its taken last story and xenoblade to be made. its messed up nintendo purest are always getting left behind, when they see something thats actually HD on a nintendo console they freak out yet we as PC/PS3/360 owners have BEEN in the hd era. now the wii u is coming 5 years late into this gens cycle and will be left behind by sony, ms and PC's even more so. it's lame, the wii-u should have come out instead of the wii. (tho nintendo sold alot, good for them)Nintendo should be almost ready with a real next gen console. and please dont say that its the games that count because wii hasn't shown us that, a few mario, zelda and metroid games arent enough sadly, as much as we love them
Ok so from ibm's mouth http://www-03.ibm.com/press...
Thats pretty intresting. I remember seeing something about rumored edram amount of 768megs or something. Which seemed an astronomical amount. If this really does work at triple the performance of standard dram then that would give wiiu a huge advantage over current systems.
"I suppose you don't need sophisticated physics to make a Mario game." Looking at games like M. Galaxy, or World of Goo, you dont need a monster machine to make a fun game. With phsysics. Maybe you need to be creative to use what you have at your disposal right.
They may be fun for mario fans but there are people out there that want a little more use out of their console than putting in a game once every 5 or 6 months (which is the release schedule of first party nintendo games). And let's be honest here, Mario games don't really have a lot going on. That said, nintendo has their devout followers, much like Apple does. the WiiU could be a repackaged Wii with that tablet controller, a $300 price tag, and it's going to sell out everywhere.
...you dont get the point. I'm not saying that developers should do a Mario Galaxy game. I pointed World of Goo, too. Or maybe I should add Crayon Pshychics, Journey, Bloombox, Auditorium; Gravity Rush for Vita looks amazing. I said that good games can be done without monster machines. What are the uses of phsysics recently? Calculate the falling position of a killed soldier in a pendant? Calculate if a knife launched at random can kill someone if it hit in the knee?
THIS IS SIMPLE: the bigger developer who have praised Wiiu have the V6(Final) Dev Kit which is more powerful than PS3/360... these smaller devs have the earlier kits when they were working out the kinks...
im still looking forward to wii u no matter what
This article is an article about another article.
Welcome to the internet my friend... it's a strange place.
More of this "anonymous source" bullshit. Anyone who takes this as fact is a total tard.
theres a lot of anonymous devs coming out of the wood work, i bet when the WiiU launches they will be nowhere in site.
Mario with UC3 Graphics Sounds really good to me
Did people forget about the two different versions of Ghost Recon coming out? One for the PS3/X360 (Ghost Recon: Future Soldier) and the other for the WiiU (Ghost Recon: Online). If the WiiU had all this power it wouldn't be getting the version with worse graphics. It would get the same version as the PS3/X360 @ 1080p/60fps or even 1080p/30fps. Instead it's getting another knock off version just like the Wii did with other games this gen. This time it's in 720p. WiiU GR: Online http://www.youtube.com/watc... PS3/X360 GR:FS http://youtu.be/voYgEpr_qrI...
I'll decide on the console until I see some actual games utilizing the hardware to it's fullest degree,hopefully this E3.
goddamn. these articles are coming in every other day, now. it looks like Nintendo fans will be in non-stop damage control for the next few months.