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Where are they now? -The Forgotten genres

Gaming Unwrapped writer Harrison writes:

During what I suppose one could call the “golden age” of the arcade, I saw a fair number of these. But as the arcades gave way to the home systems, both PC and console, I saw few of these game types “come along for the ride”, certainly in the current generation. The question becomes, “why?” When it comes to games, have we become a “First person shooter” (FPS) nation? While they certainly are the “in” thing on our shores at the moment, I think that is to simplistic a response. First though, a look at some of the genres.

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dedicatedtogamers2387d ago

The author mentions how a lot of old-school games used to be played with a D-pad and one or two buttons, but nowadays games use every button plus hotkeys, radial menus, etc.

The reason? PC. Arcades died and consoles needed to look elsewhere for content. Most console games these days are simply PC-style games ported over to consoles. The era of arcade-style games is pretty much dead.

That's why the Wii was so popular. The controls felt very arcade-like. Just one or two inputs and you were good to go.

SilentNegotiator2386d ago (Edited 2386d ago )

"The reason? PC. Arcades died and consoles needed to look elsewhere for content. Most console games these days are simply PC-style games ported over to consoles. The era of arcade-style games is pretty much dead"

Is that some sort of joke? You aren't seriously so dense as to ignore several decades of console evolution and history of games and content that obviously have nothing to do with arcades or PC, are you?

humbleopinion2386d ago

Actually, if you check steam on the PC you will find many indie games like these going back to the arcade roots.
But many of the real gems from "forgotten genres" can also be found on places like XBLA. Just check the recent crop from the past two months:
Platform - Rayman 3 HD, South Park: Tenorman's Revenge
Scrolling shooters - Shoot Many Robots, Sine Mora
Beat'em'up - Shank 2, The Simpsons Arcade Game
Tactics - Defenders of Ardania, Warp
Arcade FPS - Gotham City Impostors, Nexuiz

They don't seem all that forgotten to me...

Dude4202386d ago

What about space flight games like Freelancer, X-Wing and Independence War? I used to love those games. There was supposed to be a Freelancer 2 but that got canceled. It's a shame they don't make those games anymore.

I hope Mechwarrior online goes back to its original roots (Not Mech 4 style, more like Mech 2 and 3).

ChickeyCantor2386d ago

"The era of arcade-style games is pretty much dead. "

NOT IF I CAN HELP IT.

CarlitoBrigante2386d ago

The Wii has only one-two input? You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Have u even played a Wii in your life kid?

So you mean to say that all SNES, PS1, Dreamcast, PS2, PS3 etc games are based on pc style? Mario Kart, Uncharted, Final Fantasy, GTA, Assassins Creed, Tekken are pc-styled games? Wow you're sad lol. I dont understand this pc elitist rant. :/

PC was never great to begin with. How the hell are console games pc style games when PC doesn't even have its own games? Outside the usual RTS and some shitty MMORPG's, PCs have only console ports left LOL!

dedicatedtogamers2386d ago

First of all, you misunderstand, and I've owned a Wii since launch so please sit down. What I mean is that a lot of Wii games have simple (read: not bad, just simple) control inputs, which makes it feel like an arcade game.

Second of all, I sad "most console games THESE days" as in, most modern games are PC-style games with a lot of inputs. That wouldn't include SNES, PS2, Dreamcast, or PS2 games, since...oh, you know, those games are from the past, not "these days".

Third, you clearly don't how what you're talking about with the PC. Have "u" even played a PC in your life kid?

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killerhog2387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

beat-em-ups are still around on Idevices. Theres streets of rage 1-3, final fight 1, fatal fight and a bunch of other less popular ones old/new. twin stick shooters are also alive-and-around on Idevices. i wish they port smash tv onto the Idevices

Edit:
Cancelled final fight seven sons (FYI: looked better than the crap capcom did release)
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Released final fight (FYI: the gameplay was awesome, the story what was garbage)
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

i wish sega and hudson port Riot Zone and Riot City to the Idevices, wayyyy better than other beat-em-ups

also, this journalist doesnt know final fight made it onto the ps2. also, streets of rage 4 got turn into fighting force. also, Die Hard or Heart Arcade was suppose to be Streets of Rage 4 but sega pulled out. so i guess he wasnt looking hard enough.

Video of streets of rage 4 and Die Hard/Heart Arcade
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Captain Qwark 92387d ago

toss in platformers. wii still brings them around but i would liek to see a true banjo sequel still.

also would love the return of battletoads, double dragon, streets of rage and altered beast

simply put, games these days pale in comparison to the older games. to much emphasize on graphics

pandaboy2387d ago

There has always been an emphasis on pushing the graphical boundaries but perhaps there is an argument that when the graphical boundaries become less restrictive, the emphasis on the graphical capabilities increase. But there is an upside to that too, the opportunity to create more original titles arises when the technical aspects seem limitless.

I would suggest that there is too much emphasis on the derivative of the fps and action genre which has led us into this minor stagnation of unoriginal genres. I don't actually think the games are worse now, there is just less variety.

SilentNegotiator2386d ago

The sad part is that games like Minecraft and Angry Birds have proven that you don't need expensive graphics or game engine to make a great and successful game, but CEOs of publishers refuse to remove their heads from their behinds.

Indigo1232387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

double post

Indigo1232387d ago

This article is insanely short sited..............and just plain ridiculous

This has been a golden age for srpg's aka the strategy type games mentioned

pokemon x nobunga
Agarest 1-3
valkyria 1-3
devil survivor 1-2
luminous arc 1-3
ff tactics advance 2
front mission 2089
from mission 1 remake
tactics ogre psp
ff tactics psp
valkyrie profile covenant
disgaea 3-4
2 fire emblem remakes
knights in the knightmare
gloria union
'd arc
blue roses
ragnarok srpg
10+ srw games this gen
growlanser IV ( first time in america)
riviera( best version)
yggdra union ( best version)
yggdra unision
summon night 1
summon night 2
hoshigami tactics ( best version)
lev. tactics
all 8 of the legend of heroes titles..........

off the top of my head is that dead?

Hell on the localization front we are seeing devil survivor 2, legend of heroes second chapter, agarest 2, pokemon x nobunga, fire emblem 3ds, gungir, growlanser

now I am no expert but that sounds like one of the best years ever for strategy games.........

And dont get me started on turn based rpgs

was blue dragon 1, lost oddessy, arc fantasia, tales not enough for you to remember on consoles?

Now lets be clear considering consoles spot in japan theres been more rpgs on them period, let alone turn based, like final fantasy 13 and 13-2

Tell me what kind of game is ninokuni?

While I respect the article writer, he needs to research more

Lord_Sloth2387d ago

And almost all of those strategy RPGs are on handhelds only.

FFXIII nor XIII-2 have the JRPG feel. They're Japanese, yes, but there's no overworld and no party control which were the main things I enjoyed about the JRPGs on the PS1 and PS2.

This generation has lasted about 7 years now since the 360 kicked it off and the only traditional JRPGs you mentioned are 6. 7 if you count the 1 that hasn't even launched yet.

Compared to the strong RPG titles and RPG dominance on the PS1 and PS2 that's very upsetting to me.

Only limiting to the PS1 itself we had 2 Wild Arms, 2 Suikodens, SaGa Frontier, Chrono Cross (not counting relaunch of Trigger), 4 FF titles (not counting relaunches), 4 Front Missions, Vagrant Story, 2 Parasite Eves, and that's all I can recall off the top of my head.

Let's see...That's 17. How any have hit the PS3 and 360 combined? Hell, we'll throw the Wii in too. It's still not half as many as we used to see on home consoles.

Yes, handhelds do see many JRPGs still but why not home consoles? I love JRPG titles but don't like being limited to my PSP/PSV's screen just to play them while my perfectly good Samsung TV sits there feeling unloved.

Indigo1232387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

You were respectful of my opinion, and now I will respectfully and thoughtfully respond to your points. Standby

"And almost all of those strategy RPGs are on handhelds only."

They are the most popular systems worldwide, with the lowest dev costs, with the highest software attach rates........what would you do?

"FFXIII nor XIII-2 have the JRPG feel. They're Japanese, yes,..........."

They were just examples, your opinions on the games themselves have no bearing on the main point

"This generation has lasted about 7 years now........."

I could of listed 50 on consoles, and considering in japan, consoles are not in the 1 or 2 spots, they have the most rpgs in history.

"Compared to the strong RPG titles and RPG dominance on the PS1 and PS2 that's very upsetting to me."

Both systems were in the top 2 in japan during there respective gens......this gen the top 2 are the ds and psp in japan with the ps3 pulling a very very very very long third......

times change and systems change

"Only limiting to the PS1 itself we had 2 Wild Arms, 2 Suikodens, SaGa Frontier, Chrono Cross (not counting relaunch of Trigger), 4 FF titles (not counting relaunches), 4 Front Missions, Vagrant Story, 2 Parasite Eves, and that's all I can recall off the top of my head."

And now on portables we have 1 wild arms, 2 suikodens, 3 sagas, radiant historia, the best version of chrono trigger, 2 front misisons, 3rd birthday, 10 final fantasy titles ect......hell pick the ds or psp whichever one you want and it will have more rpgs total than the psx had

"Let's see...That's 17. How any have hit the PS3 and 360 combined? Hell, we'll throw the Wii in too. It's still not half as many as we used to see on home consoles.
"

Like Ive told you before,your comparing different situations

psx and gbc were the most popular systems that gen, hence they both split the rpg support

the ps2 and the gba, the same thing happened

This gen its the ds and psp

get over it

"Yes, handhelds do see many JRPGs still but why not home consoles?"

I explained that

"I love JRPG titles but don't like being limited to my PSP/PSV's screen just to play them while my perfectly good Samsung TV sits there feeling unloved."

do you have psp component cables?

Anyway you missed the entire point of my thread..........this has been a golden age for both srpgs and what they refer to as simple turn based games..........

the era has changed, the systems are different, but the support is the same

now as I am all out of bubbles if you would like to talk to me about this PM me.

Speaking of this year considering its the beginning of a gen, and the beginning of a new one.....this quite possibly could be the strongest japanese new rpg development/localization year ever

Look at what we have gotten and are getting this year in the states

final fantasy 13-2
tales of graces F
devil survivor 2
MK 2
atelier arland 3
xenoblade
last story
fire emblem 3ds
paper mario
pokemon black white 2
inazuma eleven 2
pandoras tower
class of heroes 2
rexx
gungir
growlanser
ninokuni
agarest 2
legesticia
mugen souls
grand knight history

I sure am thankful this year

In japan weve already seen suikoden psp, shining blade, beyond the L, and that was just the first 2 months........

Ult iMate2386d ago (Edited 2386d ago )

@Lord_Sloth
JRPG stands for "Japan RPG". "Japan", you see. So while the majority of gamers in Japan plays on handhelds, the most of JRPGs will be on handhelds. Because japanese gamers prefer handhelds and japanese JRPG developers make games for japanese audience, not western audience. Baka-gaijins must patiently wait for western releases and follow the market preferences of Japan RPGs.

Outside_ofthe_Box2386d ago

For the love of god can you please stick to one account? Do you keep getting banned or something? Is that the reason why you keep on making accounts? Every couple of weeks you are in a new account. It's a bit hilarious and a bit pathetic.

caseh2386d ago (Edited 2386d ago )

To be honest the only turn-based game to turn up on my radar was Valkyria Chronicles which was pretty good, Agarest: generations of war not so good.

Turn-based games have been none existent in my eyes since X-COM and then Jagged Alliance 2 were released on the PC years ago. Nothing has even come close to building on the sheer level of depth either of those turn-based games offered.

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