1UP: PS3 Will Get A Soul & Go Beyond 360

The first podcast of the year from 1UP starts with a bang as they preview 2008 for the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. Some of the straight-forward predictions will either sadden, infuriate or delight you, as they discuss what both companies need to do to take advantage of each other as well as speaking of the strengths and weaknesses of both platforms; how will these translate to 2008 sales? Tune in from the 1hour 24minute mark.

Plus:

Microsoft

-Has the Xbox 360 peaked with Halo 3?
-Xbox 720 announced before 2009?
-Xbox 360 Ultimate rumours
-Only hardcore audience?
-1st party situation for 2008

Sony

-Home's potential.
-Little Big Planet
-Could it eventually attract Wii-type audience?

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

its from 1up...

M$ Forgot their cheque

Jenzo i would take more bubbles from you if i could because only crap comes from your mouth but due to your multiple accounts you still have 5 bubbles.
mesh1 i would take bubbles from you but i can't. You are way worse then Jenzo when it comes to talking sh!t.
You're a joke
Just look at PC market and see yourself.

[TANOD]

i am surprised too

1up/GS/EUROGAMER/EGM/EDGE are the worst MS biased websites/mags

[Meus Renaissance]

The 1UP podcast is my favourite, always has been. They're straight talking and criticise every console in the past. There is none of the bias you sense from the actual articles and editorials on the site. This week Microsoft seem to be on the edge of the blade.

[TANOD]

How come you are still posting at N4G.

You can see that major xbots have fled this area after the WARNER's ANNOUNCEMENT.

Xtard just head to NEOGAF /XBOX KINGS where you will find some fellow bOts like you

[InMyOpinion]

Thx for the tip, TANOD. Maybe there are reasonable people to discuss with on those sites. XboxKings sounds a bit biased for my taste though.

If I'm a "Xtard/b0t", then what are you?

Quick, use those other 10 accounts of yours to disagree with me!

[bizi6498]

you're damn right: are we gonna let these suckas get away with turning coats after the biggest bashing frenzy in gaming history?

hell no! it is time to hold news corps accountable: whether it's about gaming or war BTW.

1up/GS/EUROGAMER/EGM/EDGE: give'em the finger they deserve!
foxnews/cnn/cbs/msnbc/time: use you other hand but same finger.

[GITPWNED]

"the ps3 line up for 2008 is a joke mgs4 which looks crap compared to dark sector a 3rd party dev and a multiplat game and gt6 that it coming out fo rth eps3 while the 360 has alan wake/too human/gears of war2 saints row 2/deadislnad/warhound/ng2/ the ps3 is going to cry this 2008. there is actually no good game coming out for the ps3 its just hype from avid driods mgs4 didnt win any awards in any game shows last year and from what ive seen its looks and play very plain."

-Quoted for F*cking Truth! And before you droids disagree with me, I own all MGS games and have beaten each of them numerous times. Unlike you Halo-hating droid-f*ckers, I'm a gamer.

EDIT: Errrrr, no. But anyway, I'm not at all saying that MGS is a bad franchise, because it's not. It's great, it's just got some problems. And it sure as hell ain't no PS3rd savior like everyone is making it out to be. God of War 3 is the savior! Ain't no Kiddy Big World either.

[macalatus]

@GITPWNED,

LOL!! Wow, you can actually understand Mesh and his babble-o'-crap?!? We've been trying to figure his freakin' Klingon talk but to no avail, unless...(music please...TAN TAN TAN) you're actually HIM!!

[heroman711]

"the ps3 line up for 2008 is a joke mgs4 which looks crap compared to dark sector a 3rd party dev and a multiplat game and gt6 that it coming out fo rth eps3 while the 360 has alan wake/too human/gears of war2 saints row 2/deadislnad/warhound/ng2/ the ps3 is going to cry this 2008. there is actually no good game coming out for the ps3 its just hype from avid driods mgs4 didnt win any awards in any game shows last year and from what ive seen its looks and play very plain."

MGS4
FFX13
Resistance 2
killzone 2
Grand turismo 5
infamous
socom confrontations
Tekken 6
Little big planet
God of war 3 ( possible 09 release )

yup that all looks like crap to me ( sarcasm )

[heyheyhey]

saints row 2 is for ps3 as well- owned

oh yeah and please go to school once in a while ok? you know to learn how to spell/punctuate/type/use intelligence- haven't heard of any of of those things? don't worry you'll find out just go to school

[Meus Renaissance]

I have to admit there's more about Microsoft in this part of the podcast than anything else, and it's somewhat negative aside from the fact that Xbox 360 will remain successive through 2008, but crucially not on a level that could match the PlayStation 3.

That is their prediction.

[MADGameR]

?? Ok FIRST OFF, WHAT THE F*CK is WRONG WITH YOU?! I think you need your brain remodeled kid! just kill yourself! Let me say this, 360 line up in 2008 is THE BIGGEST JOKE in gaming HISTORY! PS3 lineup will put PS3 BEYOND the 360. Hows that? It is the TRUTH. 360 fans, you can deny it all you want! Sorry but when someone goes TOO far up their @ss to BS, I have to defend whichever console they overestimate.

[Lifendz]

They said the 360 would top off and more or less have regular numbers. MS released all their major hitters in 07: Halo 3, Bio-Shock, Mass Effect, etc etc. Besides Gears 2 there really is nothing that is going to drive sales on the 360. In fact, I say Gears 2 won't drive sales. Think about it. If you like Gears enough to buy a 360 then wouldn't you already have one by now? MS gave its best shot in 07 and didn't put Sony away.

Sony, conversely, has yet to really show its true potential. It has yet to "max out". Also, Sony has multiple IPs. MS' power is all in one game-Halo. That series is done. Sony has yet to give us the majors-God of War, GT5, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, etc etc.

So yeah, Sony is going to rise up in numbers this year while 360 numbers will more or less stay consistent.

And if you disagree please man up and tell me what game is going to move units for 360. What game is going to get someone that passed on Halo, Gears, and all the rest to plunk down for a 360. The only one I see is GTA IV. If GTA IV is the same on both platforms AND 360 is cheaper, then yes...people will pick up a 360 just to play GTA IV.

[Lew_Ijgee]

With, "If GTA IV is the same on both platforms AND 360 is cheaper, then yes...people will pick up a 360 just to play GTA IV."

If it is the same for both platforms, then a smart consumer will choose which system has other games that he/she would enjoy and purchase that version.

[Lifendz]

a smart consumer? Are you kidding? Yes a "smart consumer" would do that research but most consumers are not "smart" in the typical sense of the word. They do not do that sort of research. You know how I know? I bet a good number of 360 buyers didn't know about the potential for RROD. Heck, I still see people that bought 40 gb PS3s complaining about no backwards compatiablity. So yeah, a smart consumer would not let GTA be a deciding factor if it were the same on both but, as I've just shown, we know that most consumers are not this way.

My point remains. The next big 360 spike in sales will only come if GTA IV is identical (or nearly identical) on both consoles and the 360 is cheaper. That's when all these people that are still on the fence walk into a store to get GTA IV and have to choose between the two consoles. I guarantee you most of these people leave with a 360 if PS3 is still starting at 399 and the cheapest 360 is more than 100 bucks cheaper.

[cmrbe]

The GTA Series has generally been a PS series and the majority of the GTA fanbase are PS2 owners.Since most are PS2 fans they would want to play other returning PS franchise so i think they would buy PS3 mostly for GTA and other PS exclusives such as GT5 and MGS4.

[TheExecutive]

Ladies and gentlemen.... GTA is still largely seen as a PS franchise and will forever be associated with the ps2. Just because a 360 is cheaper (not by much either, excluding that joke of a console "the arcade") doesnt mean that people will rush out and buy a 360. They will stand there in the store, weigh their options and choose which console suits them best.

It isnt all about price, its about quality, name recognition, and games and and and...

[Lifendz]

I hope you're right. I know from firsthand experience that most of my friends that are 360 owners are because they were able to get the system for less than a PS3. The common answer when I say "why not PS3?" is "I couldn't afford it".

[HarryEtTubMan]

tHE ps3 IS GONNA BECOME MAINSTREAM...just like every other Playstation. I love whe people lie and pretend the 360 will outsell the PS3... it's never gonna happen.

PS3 will win in Hardware for most of 2008...but it wont start killing it until 2009 when the rpice is 250$. THe 360 is gonna get pwned. The PS3 is too strong and will be here too long. Its gonna sale like a Playstation

Obviously the PS3 cant outsell the 360 in software sales until it catches up(even though it just wa i Europe and Japan) it will take a couple or even 3 years in the u.s.

[gamehendge]

360 = done

[FordGTGuy]

month by month by almost 2:1. Sometimes 1UPYours says some really stupid things. BTW there is no way Home and Little Big Planet can give that much of a boost in sales and do they really think they will attract the Wii audience at that price range?

1)Little Big Planets Lesson:
Uncharted is a perfect example being a very good game but barely sold even in the PS3 fanbase let alone sell to many PS3s. Sony is so worked up in Blu-Ray right now that they are selling the PS3 to people who bought it for a Blu-Ray player and could careless about games. The last thing I would say is that its not innovative and that Garry's Mod has been doing what LBP is trying to do for years. Although I might be wrong seeing as well as Counterstrike was doing on PC FPSs on consoles exploded in sales. So we will just have to see how it turns out.

[Meus Renaissance]

No I don't think they were just specifically referring to LBP, but the console in general with the game genre's it will inherit from its older brother, the PS2. When the price range drops to an affordable level for most people, around late 2008 I suppose, the PlayStation 3 will attract consumers from that audience type, because of the brand recognition, and because there will the software to appease them. LBP will be the starter to this theme, that is the jist of their comment.

Growth in audience.

Whereas they commented Microsoft will struggle to get the same results. So basically, Sony are able to appeal to the Wii audience more so than Microsoft are.

[TANOD]

actually PS3 outsold X360 by 110 000 units last week in terms of worldwide sales

http://www.vgchartz.com/wee...

delusional BOT ----things have changed

It is over for HD DVD and X360

[Vip3r]

The PS3 has been outselling the 360 in Europe, Asia and Worldwide for quite a while now.

[Devr]

VGChartz may not be exactly accurate, but there's no way 360 is outselling the Ps3 2:1. In November the 360 outsold the Ps3 1,6:1(NPD numbers). In Japan the 360 is, well, failing. In Europe the consoles are somewhat on par, but no one can be sure because there's no way to track those sales.

[xplosneer]

VGchartz I hate, but in this case, I noticed that, according to them, Uncharted has sold just over 700,000 copies.

[heroman711]

@ ford
isnt sony like totally destroying 360 in overall europe and japan sales ?

[karlostomy]

Budddddddddddy!

Here's a nice fact for you:

If the PS3 outsells the 360 by 110000 units EVERY month for the next 7 YEARS it will only just have caught up to the 8- 9 million gap by which it lags currently. yes, i am right, tanod, et al, do the maths!

What?
Am i saying the PS3 will be DEADLAST until 2015 at current favourable sales rates?

yep. i am.

ouch! ouch! did i mention Ouch?

Hey, here's another possibility:
What if MS drops the price to catch the WII price elasticity of demand and 360 sales jump again due to the lower price?
Perhaps the PS3 will never catch up? Do you live in fear or what?

Oh deary me. keep waiting Tanod. keep hoping. keep praying.... oh sheesh... just keep posting your trash comments! I keep you off ignore because your comments remind me to laugh at least once a day...

Goddam you must hate people like me who can actually use logic and accurate numbers...

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edit:
@ below
1. IS your name Tanod? No? then STFU.
2. The ps2 had no real competiton. The ps3 has lots. In fact it's LAST!
3. Do you really see the 360 getting abandoned by MS? Come on man, you're smarter than that? aren't you?
4. Try to use some logic next time. It won't hurt you. much.

[m9105826]

If you could use logic, you'd be able to figure out that for the PS2, the majority of sales came long after the first couple of years. When the price drops into Average Joe zone, sales will take off. That's common sense. No one can say how much they will take of, but no one can say that a lower price won't move more units. When Microsoft inevitably drops support for the 360, as they have done for every product they have ever released after a newer version comes out, PS3 sales will have no competition in their generation, just as the PS2 does now.

[Lifendz]

it will just cruise. It's in the latter stage of it's life. It gave the best it could and that's usually when a system is ready to go into retirement. Like the PS2. Not done but not exactly showing you anything new.

PS3 has nothing but bigs to show. Nothing but killer IPs coming. You know all those stuidos Sony owns? Yeah, we haven't seen a whole lot from them yet but it's coming. Jak and Daxter is coming. Resistance 2 is coming. And 3rd parties are starting to see how to tap the power of the PS3.

So yeah, 360 will continue to put up consistent numbers but Sony is going to take it's spot in '08.

[heyheyhey]

yes you are right if the ps3 outsells the 360 by 110,000 each they will only catch up 2015, BUT you seem to forget that people go nuts for mgs and ff so that will increase that monthly sales gap by what? 5 MILLION OR SO?

and as so for prices- all three consoles will be getting price cuts so the 360 will never be that much cheaper than ps3- hell the elite costs the same as the 40gb in the UK and the other SKU's are jokes and MS will eventually abandon them to try and compete with the ps3- and that will leave a very teeny tiny gap in terms of price

sorry but- you lose

[vloeistof]

even 1up realize it ( i know bad english sorry )

this will heat up fast.

the dark knight is blu !!!!!!!

[FordGTGuy]

what a surprise and Garnette is such a p*ssy in arguments. Luke Smith FTMFW!

[Lifendz]

not just Shane. In fact, Shane didn't say it first. It was Garnett. Shane was actually relieved and said "you said it not me." Sorry but it's true. PS3's 08 is going to be better than 360's 07. And if FFXIII makes a release or FFvs then it's over. PS3 owns.

Heck, 08 looks so good they could save God of War III for 09.

[Mercutio]

Epileptic Gaming rocks 1up is alright though...

[yeh]

@fordGTguy

Um, no it's not. The PS3 is outselling the Xbox360 currently, but nice try there.

[FordGTGuy]

You Know The Real Numbers
PS3 440
X360 770

That was the last time official numbers were released VG Chartz was off by 200,000+ on the X360 they expected 500,000.

[mesh1]

hahah this site is a joke they stopped posting the NPD charts and started psoting vgcharts 24/7 which has been proving to be wrong every time =) 360 is dominating world wide

[TheExecutive]

nice spin on the numbers Ford... I hate to tell you but worldwide sales are all that count. The US is only part of the pie

[mintaro]

the ps3 will pass the 360, just not this year, 2008 is the time when the ps3 will significantley close the gap. which will make 09 the time to strike

[heroman711]

yup im a sony fan and all but im gonna have to agree with u there. sony needs to sell 8 million in a year and maybe they might pull that off but i kinda doubt. if they dont outsell 360 in a year i think ur idea will wrk

[unlimited]

all talkin down on sony is gone now..this year looks to be for them..

[hotshot127]

from here on out because halo has came and gone.

everything from here on out is not gonna be a system seller for them(except gta4 but that will also sell systems for ps3)

more ps3s will be moved but more software will be moved for the 360 version of it.

and this podcast was BEFORE they found out about bluray winning the high def war so thats gonna add ever MORE fuel to the fire that microsoft is only going downhill from here. they released the game thier known for.

sony has released any of the biggest games yet. but they have plenty more "BIG" exclusives then just halo3.
now with bluray winning, ps3 will sell even more. this just shows who's gonna come out on top and most people are starting to say the ps3 will come out on top(except the few 360 fanboys in denial)

[FordGTGuy]

Even in Multiplatform the Xbox 360 gains a sales advantage(COD4 1.3 Million) and its not like they just stopped developing games either. BTW I thought the PS3 was supposed to surpass the Xbox 360 by the end of 07'?

[hotshot127]

you do know the ps3 has been outselling the 360 since december right.

where have you been?lol

edit: you sound pretty dumb you know. there is a stand alone bluray player for 300 so anybody interested in JUST A BLURAY PLAYER will get that instead of paying 100 extra.

so you got owned twice my friend

edit:@fortguy. you do know npd is only america right? and you do know npd hasnt even come out yet for december right? but anyway, did you know that the ps3 has been outselling the 360 in europe by over 100,000 a week. and in japan by over 50,000 a week since december.
YES THERE ARE OTHER PLACES OUTSIDE AMERICA IF YOU DIDNT KNOW ALREADY

so again, how do you make sense again?

[FordGTGuy]

Link?
Proof?

BTW I won't accept VGChartz or any other stupid analyst website.

@hotshot

You do know that America is the largest gaming region and that NPDs doesn't include the actual Wal-Mart sales(the largest selling in gaming hardware).

BTW SHOW ME YOUR DAMN PROOF OR GTFO.

@Hotshot

I didn't say you said it i've been on this site alot longer then you i've been on it before it became a fanboy infected paradise.

BTW SHOW ME YOUR PROOF oh wait you don't have any.

@dozzy724

I said an actual OFFICIAL SOURCE no VGChartz crap.

[Gaara_724]

so u r trying to tell me america sells more than the REST OF THE WORLD?? even tho europe wil overtake them in the next 2 years then japan if u down own japan u cant be sucsesful hell if russia got its acttogetha and started going crazzy ove eletronics i doubt america would be the biggist then i actualy think it is china all thos people out number most of the world put togetha

[TheExecutive]

VGcharts isnt as bad as some make it out to be. Its not exact but its usually in the same ballpark as the actual figures and often its the only thing we got.

So you want proof but deny the only source that could possibly tell us worldwide numbers? What would be a legit source on worldwide numbers?

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

FordGTGuy.justgotowned.com

[hotshot127]

that. i gurantee that i said holidays of 09 my friend. so get your facts straight and second, you want PROOF......................... ...............IMA BE RIGHT BACK.........

PROOF HUH? WELL HERES JAPAN NUMBERS FOR YOU. http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...

NOW LET ME GO GET EUROPEAN. MY COMPUTERS ALITTLE SLOW

EDIT: but b4 i get it. did you just act as if america is the most important. yea well take off about 70million 360s being sold since europe and japan account for the rest. you know the 40million ps2s in japan werent brought from americans. anyway, ima be riiiiiight back......

@ford again. you know what. since you dont wanna accept vgcharts, i have nothing to give you right now. so your right, there is no "REAL PROOF" but im sure vgcharts isnt completely wrong saying the ps3 outsold the 360 by more then 140,000 units a week. EVEN if they were off by 40,000 in europe, the ps3 outsells the 360 because i gurantee you the 360 only outsold the ps3 in america by about 400,000 units....MAX. mark my words and i will find you when npd comes in. DEAL.......if im wrong.......i'll leave this site........but if im right.........YOU LEAVE THIS SITE. and ima person of my word so..........

and @mesh1. OMG YOU AND ZHUCK ARE JUST COMPLETE IDIOTS.........SERIOUSLY YOU ARE

[TheHater]

Did anyone listen to what they were saying about Uncharted? The rated the game before the even went into several hours into it. How lame.

But they also said that the PS3 version of Burnout is the version to get. I don't get why they said that.

Update:
I love what they said about AC. Everything they said about the game, is what I thought about it.

[Gaara_724]

hell check vcharts ps3 has been outselling 360 since october in every reagion just not usa go cheak 4 u're self it say all then under neth says the countrirys

befoe u say link im no slave u go type it up 4 yourself u lazzy cXXt

[jordan8445]

The Xbot HD-DVD division has been obliterated, now the 360 stands alone, and all of its ammo (Games) was wasted in 2007.

[Odion]

NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE FORMAT WAR

[Spydiggity]

that's a pretty stupid thing to say. and is irrelevant.

[Antiomo]

Ps3 really started to pick up since heavenly sword, warhawk and the first price drop.

Sony did nice strategic positioning this time around because they were pressured from all fronts.

From what I remember ps2 had a much rocky start than ps3.

[mesh1]

EURICA I FINALLY found the reason why sony trolls ARE SO CRAZED as i was playing on the psn and gues what guys there is basically no 1 on the psn i thinkk they are dieing for ppl to buy ps3 so they can actually have fun playin gonlein games as the psn is liek a ghost town ther eisknwo 1 there playing games 25 mins wait to get a match with over 10 ppl

[TheHater]

is that so Mesh1? They last time i check, I have 50 person on my psn list. And I always have people to play with on COD4, UT3, Tekken, Burnout demo, and Warhawk. If you actually have a PS3, then you will know that people are always online.

[heroman711]

@ hater
can u add me to ur buddy list. my psn is Heroman911

[m9105826]

lol, I can even still find people to play in Mortal Kombat 2. There is certainly no lack of people on PSN. You're really digging into the bucket of excuses now...

[Mercutio]

Mesh1 got 0wned

[TheExecutive]

yes, the 360 has peaked.
yes, the 720 will be announced before 2009.
yes, the ps3 will overtake the 360 late late this year or next.
yes, ms will sell around 30 million consoles this cycle.
Yes, the ps3 will sell very well this year.

What does this mean for the average gamer? Nothing.
What does this mean for a fanboy? EVERYTHING.

[Bill Gates]

MAY DAY, MAY DAY,....ABANDON SHIP!!!!!!

Seriously, 2006-2007 Sony received nothing but negative press with anything they did form all sides, every angle, and all the BABOONS and the media were just lovin' it. Now all of the sudden PS3 is cool cat in town and everyone want to be its friend......AAHAHHAHA

I don't feel at all bad for you BABOONS for being so hard headed.

[m9105826]

Bill! Haven't seen you around in a long time! More humorous comments, but in this case I feel the same way you do.

[Pain]

Lastyear: We hate the PS3 says media and people.
ThisYear : Oh! PS3 how we Love You and going to have Beautiful baby's.

i always new the PS3 would love and welcome u all back to the warm n fuzzy side regardless of the flack
u gave it.

Welcome home~

P.s i posted this somewher else just thought it needed a second post. seems kinda fitting this weekend.

[TheExecutive]

the same sh*t was talked before the ps2 came out. Its a given that the PS3 saw a longer negative streak but in the end when all the games come out everyone will love the ps3.

[flame war starter]

what games M$ is going 2 give u in 2008 thats gonna be so great...

[TheHater]

Ninja Gaiden 2 and Fable 2. Well that is the only two games I will be getting on my Xbox 360.

Ninja Gaiden because it one of my favorite series of all time, and Fable 2 best it is my favorite Western RPG of all time

[heroman711]

gears 2 and thats really it

[vloeistof]

^^^dont forget alan wake and project offset . but thats it i think and maybe gears2

[TheExecutive]

Alan Wake sounds frickin awesome...

[TheHater]

I don't really care for allen Wake. But Project Offset is for the PC only so far. But if it is coming for the 360, then I need to add that to my list also.

[m9105826]

If it's on the PC, I'll just get it on the PC, as I have done for EVERY other 360 "exclusive" I wanted to play. Just for reference, Alan Wake, Project Offset, Gears 2, and Fable 2 will all come to the PC. And that's where I will play them. For free. My computer has already paid for itself because of every $60 game I didn't have to pay for.

[Regret]

Xbox 720 announced before 2009?

How come that's plus? Killing gaming.

[LightningPS3]

seems to be turning into a good victory for Sony. But don't get ahead of yourselfs. PS3 still has a lot of work to do, the competition is brutal.

[Salvadore]

Awesome Podcast.

[belal]

they have dissapered ? wtf ? and are mesh1= zhuk ?

anyways this is the year ps3 will finally get very cloooooose to the 2nd place :P the 09 when GOW3 lounches, boooooom byebye 360

( yeah i now bad english:P)

[LightningPS3]

n4g.com is trying to clean up the site, if you've been getting reported a lot for your comments being spam or offensive, you got a little ban in the mail recently.

[Lex Luthor]

So how come tanod hasn't been banned?

[gnothe1]

wow the sony boys are out an at full steam ahead. all of a sudden the PS3 is the system to have, an its leading in everything according to the sony boys.

I got 1 question, WHAT LEADS DEVELOPERS TO SUPPORT A SYSTEM!!?(make games)
size of userbase, 360+PS3= 360 check
amount of software sold, 360+PS3= 360 check
usability, how hard to work with,360+PS3= 360 check
lower cost of development, 360+PS3= 360 check
but now after sony strikes pretty much big win for blu ray the 360 as a gaming console is doomed. YEAH RIGHT until the PS3 takes away those 4 things I listed from the 360 then the 360 is still the console to beat an the console of choice!!

for some reason you guys are mistaken a format win for a console win. those are 2 different markets!!

[TheHater]

"usability, hard hard to work with,360+PS3= 360 check"
what? I don't really understand what you mean by that

[Kyur4ThePain]

Let me try and explain some of this to you.

Now that HD-DVD is most probably going to go away, Blu-Ray will become the standard HD format.
People will want to buy Blu-Ray players, and one of the best and cheapest is the PS3.
Granted, many of those purchases will be only for movie watching, but many will also be happy that is is a gaming console too.
Guess what...you suddenly have a surge in PS3 sales, many of which will be used for gaming as well.
I think you can see how the install base argument is edging to the window, right?

By default, this will also invalidate the other points you made...software sold, usability (things become easier the more you do them), cost of development (economies of scale is a wonderful concept).
As more of the bigger companies develop gaming engines and start licensing them to smaller ones, developing games will become easier and cheaper.

Isn't it amazing how one victory could potentially lead to another?

[kingboy]

That`s why we do it one celebration at a time mate..the harsh period of turbulence is almost over for ps3 sales

[Devr]

1UP didn't even know Warner went Blu when they recorded this podcast, this has nothing to do with it. They talk more about Home and Littlebigplanet.

[bee2427]

lol ok you forgot a few major ones

Hardware failure .... 360 check
paying for a crappy service ... 360 check
oo what system wshould have better numbers because it came out a year in advance ... 360 check
what system hit its peak after 15 mill hardware sales... 360 check
whose a big joke... gnothe check

[Orange]

kind of a prick. very sure you should give his favorite game a chance. played assassin's creed 20 minutes and was so adamant that it was terrible that he would not let the other guys discuss its merits. and his nasally whine is annoying.

[aba]

Without him there wouldn't be a 1up Yours podcast.

[Devr]

"I said an actual OFFICIAL SOURCE no VGChartz crap."

THERE IS NONE. There is no way to know officially how well the consoles are selling in Europe. All we know is this:

America: Last month, 360 outsold Ps3 1,6:1
Japan: 360 sells less than 10k every week. Ps3 is usually around 40-50k.

Europe: In the UK the 360 is outselling Ps3, but in rest of Europe, not so much. Good example would be France, where the Ps3 userbase is already on par with 360's. There's no way to know the sales from this region, but most people believe the consoles are going at it neck to neck with Ps3 slightly in the lead.

[Maddens Raiders]

Is it time to start kissing some PS3 azz?????

Nothing against Nintendo, but:

PlayStation = Legendary

I thought everyone knew that already. Ha silly me. 0_o

[gnothe1]

if you didnt want to accept the fact that blu ray was selling WAY more movies than HD-DVD despite HD-DVD having MORE standalone players then something was wrong with you, even i have more blu ray movies than HD-DVD. movie companies started shifting their focus to blu ray because the numbers dont lie. blu ray sold the most. so why doest this apply to the 360 an PS3 when it comes to game sales. as popular as the PS3 is its not moving these developers games, so what , do you guys feel the same thing couldnt happen here!! it happened with blu ray an HD-DVD. while sony may have won their FIRST format war there loosing the console war. you can call me a xbox or fanboy all you want but I can accept facts can you!! an the fact is blu ray sells more movies an the 360 sells more games!!

[Lcarrero5]

It should be selling more. Bigger install base. If they didn't no one would make games for them. All games would be ported over. Or more exclusives would be made for ps3.

[Kyur4ThePain]

Are you implying that either the 360 or PS3 has to go away because the other is selling more games?
Now who's confusing movies and games?

[Xbox is the BEST]

to Son fanboys PS#3 is at half the 360 userbase so why is it not selling 25% in software sales? It's at dead last at 16%. No game will save the PS#3.

[harpua]

why are we even discussing the 360? it really is no longer relevant in gaming.

[gnothe1]

are you really that stupid or are you trying to make a joke or be funny. which is it!!

[THAMMER1]

That is a pretty bold statement. Could you please back it up with some real facts.

I can say the PS3 is not relevant to gaming because of the lack luster games sells and performance.

Look at uncharted it came out in the same point in the life cycle of the PS3 as Gears of War. The difference is Gears of war was and is still more popular and better looking. Not one of SONY's PS3 games has that same level of polarity, sales, and acceptance from the video games community.

SONY's fans have shown more enthusiasm toward the success of Blu Ray than the success of great games Like Uncharted. CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT THE PS3 as a games machine is getting killed. The HD and BLu ray market is less than 2% of the DVD movie market.

SONY fans are getting exited over stamping out an ant hill. You people must be children.

[Lcarrero5]

It may be more popular and had more success but no way does it look better.

[bee2427]

dude every developer said that they arent even close to maxing out the potential of the ps3

Uncharted was said by many sites that it is the best looking game this year

the xbox has absolutely NOTHING on the ps3... please name one thing that it can do better... i would say online service.. but the ps3 free service seems to be doing better

[THAMMER1]

I did not mention the potential of the PS3 or PSN in my post at all.

BUT I can name a few things the 360 can do better.

1. GAMES - MADDEN FIGHT NIGHT, and just about any other 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party game 2 years out the gate.

2. ONLINE gaming - XBL hands down the best games community on the net.

3. CONTROLLER - Just use it once. (Self explanatory)

4. Hard core gamers - The 360 is known for capturing the hard core market.

5. Price - You know what it costs. Every hard core gamer I know owns a 360. PS3 fan or not the 360 is a must have. The 360 is a BEAST.

You get the picture

Have you stopped once to think about the PS3’s game sells? If you have, did it cross your mind that Blu Ray DVD has been more successful than the PS3 games? While you thinking about that you should also look at the size of the HD movie market. Kind of small right. Again SONY fans are getting exited over nothing. Blu Ray beating HD DVD is good for us all. There is now a clear choice and the PS3 will benefit but at the cost of losing the harts of gamers.

I have a 360 so really I could use it for the rest of this console generation and not even look at the PS3. So are you now saying to me that the PS3 is worth it because of BLU RAY?

[m9105826]

The controller argument is horrible. I cringe every time I have to use the 360 controller. Also, for games where I'm used to the PS controller, it feels so awkward using it. I was playing Katamari in the store the other night on the 360, and it was the most awkward experience I've ever had with a controller. Trying to do the speed boost was almost impossible without dropping the controller.

Also, saying that Gears looks better than Uncharted just makes you look ignorant. As a 3D environment modeler, character modeler, rigger, texture artist, scene lighter and animator, I can tell you that the technical merits of Uncharted vastly outweigh those of Gears.

[Doctor Strange]

Decent podcast. I can agree with what they said about 360 since Halo 3 was a major driving force and with it gone he going to struggle somewhat but with have a good year no doubt about that.

With the PS3 selling more and more worldwide without MGS4, FFXIII/Versus or LBP out yet this year is going to be Sony's year.

I hope Microsoft doesn't talk about any plans for the their next console because all that's going to do is alienate the fans they have now and people will lose any trust they have in them.

[Harred]

Xbox 720? What a stupid name. Reminds me of when people said the new xbox was the XBOX CUBED.

[Spydiggity]

There are so many sony fanboys riding on the fame of the PS2. do any of you realize how silly you sound? you are all commenting that ps3 won already even though 360 is far ahead. you are so desperate it's laughable. you will take rumors and speculation and try to spin them into something with substance. there is nothing here. so far, the 360 has the games, and since they outsold hardware over ps3 by a LOT, all they have to do is release bioshock 2, gears of war 2, and maybe a few new franchises, and people aren't going to stray to the ps3...that's silly. the gap between the 2 systems has increased, not decreased. the only thing PS3 dominates in is fanboys on these forums.

[m9105826]

And if I want to play those, I'll get them for the PC. The difference is, PS exclusives are exclusive. 360 exclusives all come out on the PC.

[Spydiggity]

and PS "exclusives" eventually come to the xbox where the company that produced it realized it can make more money and eventually playstation loses most of its "exclusives" (DMC 4, GTA IV, etc...)

[INehalemEXI]

Oh now they got love for ps3 , not long ago they was haters.

[xunderx]

fordgt guy,,,who really cares if one console out sells another,,the question you have to ask yourself is "is my current console going to last another two years, or another day for that matter?

360 really had no next gen competition(ps2 ofcoarse)when it first arrived on the scene,,,thats why it sold mad #'s,,lets face it,, when ps3 came out, not only did it battle against the wii but also against the 360, and selling at a higher price point.....

hd-dvd= dying , ford motor co= #3(behind gm and toyota), 360 ??? try ur luck

[SDS Overfiend]

You must be fuking stupid. Uncharted could'nt get it done and neither will anyone of those 3. They will be delayed about 2 more times before they see the light of day and by then the 360 will still be moving full steam ahead. You idiots keep thinking that just because halo came out 360 going to stop.

Since those @ss-Pirates at Dumb-up.com have selected memory we'll just play along.

1)Ninja Gaiden 2 Won't sell because FF30Versus should be out after a couple of Delays.

2)Lost Odyssey won't be popular cause Japanese people don't play RPG's anymore thats not made by SquareEnix and don't have Lead male characters that look better than the Girls.

3)So what Square Enix Is releasing a RPG exclusively for 360 called Infinite Undiscovery this year.it won't sell because it not up to its 40th Rehash.

4) The Last Remnant RPG won't be good just cause Square-Enix made it for xbox also.

5) Fable 2 is'nt coming out no time soon because HD-DVD has somewhat failed so that mean Xbox can't play video games anymore.

6)Now that Halo 3 has passed Halo Wars won't sell because......... well its related to Halo and Halo sucks cause its not on PS3.

7)Gears of War 2 Won't be all that because we assumed that part 1 made the Xbox 360 peak in it performances thus making it sell more than million copies.

8)So what if UT3 on xbox360 with be better graphically and have a More robust online counterpart. Who cares we're winning the Blu-Ray wars without having any videogames to call our own.

9)GTA 4 Won't be All that for Xbox 360 this because it will be out for 6 months first with exclusive content. It won't play good because of storage issues. This game needs Blu-Ray so that it can take a 8 Hours to load up everything for the first 30 minutes.

Get the Fuk outta here fangirls the Xbox 360 is going to keep stomping the Life outta the PSweak. You should've listen when we tried to warn you.

BTW How you gonna get a Soul back when you sold it for the Limited success of Blu-Ray?

[Xbox is the BEST]

You guys can keep Blu Ray we keep playing games.

[gnothe1]

I would like to see a chart for this x-mas sales comparing last years Gears to this years Uncharted an see which sold the most over the holidays. I wouldnt wanna do Halo 3 because thats a no brainer. they can see the reason why blu won or is winning, because of sales but they cant see that when it comes to the 360 an PS3. they always say the 360 has been out longer, ok.... its also been longer than the Wii. the Wii has outsold the 360 so why hasnt the PS3. also the Wii has passed or caught up to the total sales of the 360 but it CANT touch it in terms of software sales!! the PS3 has done neither, so because of what the Wii has done in half the time.that being out longer is no longer a valid excuse. the PS3 should have jumped out the gates doing what the Wii did!!

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

do you think it would have sold as much?

hmmmmmmm.........

[Oilers Fan]

Alright since some of you clearly do not really understand business that well and are saying stuff like "360 should have had the HD DVD from the start", or they released the console too early and did not put everything in it, and now they are trying to match the ps3. Microsoft's main goal was to take a bite out of the market share that Sony had with the playstation 2. And the only way they could do that is if they had released the xbox 360 a year earlier. Why u say? Because if they had come out the same time, with no games, same hardware, sony would have sold better simply because of the amount of ps2's owners from the last gen. That is the reason microsoft had to release its console a year in advance. And for those people that said that 2008 is going to be a bad year for microsoft, and all the big guns are out in 2007 are wrong as well. Apart from Halo 3. I dont think a lot of people thought that other games such as Bioshock,COD4,and etc would sell that much, or even be that great. Both these games started to pick up steam as 2007 went along. So whos to say thats the same with 2008? Apart from GTA 4, and Gears of War 2, the rest of the games are pretty much unproven in terms of sales and quality. Just like 2007 there could be surprises in 2008. Sure I think the ps3 will have a better year then 360, because it SHOULD have a better year. With all the games that are coming out, coupled with the blu ray victory and even the countless number of ps2 fans waiting to upgrade, the ps3 should be the winner for the console wars. But some of the ps3 fanboys on this site do not realize one thing, for the whole RROD thing, and the popularity of the sony brand, microsoft has done quite well this generation, when software and hardware are taken into account. So to sum it up, the 360 is not going anywhere, it will beat the original xbox in terms of sales, and the ps3 will likely come out on top.

[TheExecutive]

they havent taken market share. THey may sell more units than the original but it will in the single digit millions. They appeal to a small gaming community.

[bee2427]

I LOVE IT AND I KNOW ALL OF YOU DO TOO

everyone hated on the ps3 when it first came out... aww were u xbots scared??

Then all of the hate kinda faded after it hit and it has awsome features but wait where are the games? oo wait the games arrived (who woulda thought that woulda happened?) and now look wat these xbots are left with, a crappy peice of hardware and they pay for that crappy service 2?

the ps3 is shinning baby

[Ital50Stal]

Not any time soon...actually no, i take that back...now that the HD war is almost over...maybe sorny can actually focus on gaming with the ps3 instead of selling it as a big cheap shiny george foreman grill blu ray player

[jorellpogi]

I agree with 1UP this time.

[Sevir04]

this year i'll be playing too much to even care. especially on my PS3... cheers and happy gaming

[Ital50Stal]

whats all the hype about Little Big Planet? it looks like ass...its not ground breaking in any way...its basically Locco Rocco 2 Remixed?
I smell another lair on its way.
I cant wait for the Sorny fans to defend that :)

[TrooGamer]

Your the kind of gamer they are talking about! 360 owning gamer who MS have and cater for but are going to be there downfall.

Lair had been done before. LBP is another matter, even Ninty want it.

[ROCCOZILLA]

PLAY B3YOND!

[wiizy]

microsoft need to concentrate on destroying sony instead of trying to imitate the wiimote which their fanboys claim was a gimmick before they find themselves in 3rd place.

[name]

I'm glad to see 1up giving PS3 love all of a sudden. It's refreshing. However, I think the 360 still has some ammo. Actually just one bullet. GTA4. It's multiplatform, and GTA4 is still associated with playstation somewhat, but I'm assuming Microsoft will definetly advertise it in a way that either lets ppl know its on the 360, or just making it seem like a 360 exclusive. Which I'm guessing Sony won't allow.

Sony might actually be the one to make it look like an exclusive. They did it with Assassin's Creed and Cod4, and both of those games crossed the million mark on the Ps3. And With Sony's recent partnership with Rockstar, I'm guessing GTA4 is well in their sites for that advertisement tactic.

Aside from that I'm guessing another bullet for the 360 would be alot of people simply want to own the same consoles as their friends. And a big chunk of the younger audience only buys one console a generation. But I doubt that would do much. On the PS forum there's alot of posts saying they need some help building their friend's list because all their friends have 360's. This could be a factor, or it can just lead to all their friends buying a PS3. Could go either way. Not the console war, I know where that's headed. ;) I mean that little effect.

[DJ]

Though I wouldn't be surprised if the return rate for that title was significantly high. Most of the people excited for it probably won't find out until they pop it into their system that it's an RTS, not an FPS. Hopefully though, it ends up expanding the RTS market.

[mullet]

This is PlayStation, the brand that annihilated the N64, the Dreamcast, the Xbox, and the GameCube.

[GITPWNED]

As far as what? Sales? Oh, damn. Too bad the games weren't better though. Because the hardcore games on all of those other platforms were leaps and bounds better than the games on PS2. So what was your point again? I'm trying to understand how Sony's console sales made PS2 any better than everything else. I own all of those consoles, including a PS2, and it had the worst games. Period. So, Huh? Please enlighten me, n00b. Or better yet, just STFU.

[Xbox is the BEST]

all 3 systems last gen and the PS#2 had the worst graphics and wackest games period. Being gaming since Atari 2600 not PS#1 like most fanboys on this site.

[GITPWNED]

LMAO. I love 1up's recent turn to loving PS3 and sh1tting all over 360. They sure will do anything to rile-up some hits on their website, won't they? Cheap f*cks. Garnet is the one in charge of all of this. They got rid of anybody with a lick of sense around that place. Now all that's left is drunkass Garnet and Sony Bettenhousen. Garnet needs to get off Shane's Sony-loving d1ck. If they honestly want more hits, just pay for some advertising. Cheap f*cks. It's not worth it to pretend Kiddy Big World and Play House are going to make Sony win the console war, or that 360 only selling to hardcore gamers is a bad thing, when in fact, it's a good thing. Just look at the sh1tstorm of crap games on Wii. The PS3rd, much like the PS2 before it, will have mostly casual games with the hardcore games selling virtually nothing, for such a large install-base.

T-R-U-T-H H-U-R-T-S
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EDIT: Too bad what I said is absolutely true. And I plan on getting aPS3 for God of War, so how does PS3 winning the war affect me negatively? Please explain that to me. All I'm saying is, 1up, like every other website on the planet is known to do, riles up fake sh1t for hits. And I sure as sh1t wouldn't dream of paying actual money for a game like Kiddy Big World or Lesbian Sword on my future PS3. So, uhhh, what was your point again? Don't tell me you're ACTUALLY going to pay money for that game? Are you?!?!?!

And BTW, nice comeback, n00b.

And yeah, I accidentally agreed with you. What. lol

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EDIT 2: OK, how about we just stop coining things? Good.

[Power of Blu]

lol GITPWNED you're an angry little b!tch aren't you!

You're the perfect advertisment for all the angry little children that represent half of Xbox live.

WAAAAAAH WAAAAAH WAAAAAAH Cry more and I'm sure you'll get more attention.

[Power of Blu]

you accidently agreed with me? To coin one of you're own phrases you must be braindead lol. Unless of course that wasn't you and it was someone else agreeing that you're a whiney little girl.

To coin another of your phrases, OWNED!

[TheMART]

Well lets post once in this insane gaming website having all that BluRay news on it lately.

What's up with BR and HD-DVD compared 1:1 with the gaming consoles lately?

If PS3's get sold because of it's BR player, as a cheap alternative for other stand alones, it won't really push games.

If a PS3 gets sold to a gamer, that person won't buy so many BluRay movies.

The 360 has no HD-DVD, so I don't get the fanboys jumping on saying, HD-DVD is dead, so it reflects on the consoles.

Because it doesn't. Even if BR would win, there could be a BluRay add on for the 360. Do I care? No. I play movies from an external USB 2.0 HDD with no discs last gen formats.

Do gamers care in general? No. They play games, not movies.

I find it very, very funny to see so many PS3 fangirls falling over each other to say this is the year of the PS3 based on the fact that Warner would go BR exclusive soonish.

So the PS3 is just a BluRay player after all and Sony pushing it and not the games?

Fun thing also, someone was refering on my KZ2 comment. There was one PS3 fangirl that said Guerilla made one great game. KZ on the PSP. Well I played it tonight on my ceramic white PSP (imported from Japan to fit my white 360) and if that's the best that Guerilla made, you may start to pray PS3 fanbaby's! Damn. It sucked pretty much as KZ1 did on the PS2, but I guess KZ on the PSP got rated average around an 8 because there wasn't so much to play on the handheld.

[1ben2]

You know what's REALLY funny Mart?? ...its how your posts are getting longer and longer...like you are starting to run out of "1 liners" of
"PS3 not delivering" and need to explain why your machine is starting to do the same, and seeing the PS3 picking up ....

LMAO

Your posts are starting to get lame and desperate, i feel really bad for you Mart...good luck in 2008 though!

[Doctor Strange]

I don't think people are saying that because of Warner going Blu-ray PS3 that's its going to be the year of the PS3 although they made the right choice sticking it in the PS3 for games and movies alike.

Their is a bit of a momentum shift in that towards the PS3 with better games coming out and multiplat titles being pretty much identical now.

Is it wrong for somebody to buy a gaming machine that also happens to play hi-def movies too? The PS2 did it with DVD's just like the original Xbox and in Japan only the Panasonic Cube.

The 360 is still going to have a good year but the PS3 despite the rough start and constant it received is getting better and is starting to delivering on what people wanted in the beginning, a lower price and good games to play.

[Xbox is the BEST]

of videogame software sales (PS3) is magically going to overtake 54% of software sales (360) next year. What happened to all these exclusive Sony games that are going to sell millions Lair, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted .... Sure. The PS#3 soul is Blu and that won't last.
BR FTW

[camelio]

Its funny, its like da Xbots are da nasty skin headed Nazis and nintendo & Playstation, the USA and England...And We all know how dat went???

I wonder who hitler is??? THE MART??? questions

[00]

that even english.

[eddierivera]

Listen, i have a ps3 and i love it to death,, but what i dont get is why bill gates decided to have hd-dvd instead of bluray? Was it too expensive or something? I dont understand microsoft and i will never try. I dont have a xbox 360 but i do want one for the exclusives and the cool online features. But if the 720 is coming out next year then I should probably wait to buy one cause im sure the 720 will beable to play the 360 games,,, i was gonna buy the xbox ultimate, but i would rather just wait for the 720. I still think the ps3 will be the superior system even after the 720 comes out for one main reason. The stronger the system is, the harder it is to make games for it then. And if developers had a hard time making games for the ps3, then imagine how hard it will be for something stronger than the ps3? Its already a fact that computer chip manufacturers said that gaming processors are obsolete, and they have already made several next gen chips for the next gen consoles,, but i dont think that dev's wanna make games that are that strong yet. Its up to the computer devs. Either way Devs have only used no more than 25% of the ps3's power. So moving to the 720 wouldnt be even worth it till about 2010 or later. Not to mention the price. It will be god awful expensive too. I

[Xbox is the BEST]

"PS#3 will make Xbox 360 games look like Xbox 1.5 on launch day."
That is what Sony promised and what the hell are you saying about the harder the system is to make games for the more powerful it is? Once again pay attention is the Cell in any products other that Sony's? Why? Because it is garbage. Billionare Bill said whatever the PS#3 can do graphically the 360 can do better. Gears owns UT#3 with all that optimization poor Fony and if Unwanted was on the 360 it would look better that the PS#3 version.

[zonetrooper5]

Sigh...Neither Nintendo nor MS have really annouced their lineup for 2008, expect a few ones. It would be stupid to think that MS has nothing for 2008 nor Nintendo. A few games that MS has annouced for the 360/PC:

Alan Wake
Banjo Kazooie 3 (kidie fun game which could go against LBP)
Halo Wars
Peter Jackson's Halo Project (2008/2009)
Fable 2
NG2

There could be more but I can't remember. I still find it funny that people think the format war is over now, change can still happen and it may happen. MS could go Blu, Apple could swap to HD-DVD etc. I'm not buying any Blu-Ray movies until the format war is totally over which won't be for sometime now.

I'm a gamer and I love being one, I will be getting the big hitters and the great games in between for both the 360 and PS3 and I will be building a new PC in the Summer for both work and gaming and maybe with a 1TB hard drive. =) I do want a case which lets me put in another drive if needed be, so I can have a DVD/CD rewriter player and then I could add in a Blu-Ray player later on or whatever the next thing is.

[scrillakiller]

and then u woke up.the world would die on xbox with 3 to 4 charecters at a time.yeah bill gates told u hddvd wouldwin to.look how that ended up.need sum tissue

[gnothe1]

you still think the PS3 is the superior system!! based of what do you make that assumption. I will say the PS3 is better BUILT, but performance, I cant say the PS3 is better!! because of now most ALL games look an run better on the 360. they all said COD4 was identical which they are but the 360 has sharper an better looking textures as do AC. so does many other games. how about konami having to GRAPHICALLY REDUCE ONLY the PS3 version of PES 2008 just to get the game running better. an this game was made with the PS3 as lead!! burnout was built with the PS3 as lead an on the 360 it matches if not passed the PS3 version an we'll all see for sure in a few weeks!! so what makes these guys think the PS3 is much more powerful!!

we hear all this talk about the CELL, like I've stated before, the Cell isnt what does the graphics for the PS3 but sony has blinded so many with the cell hype, its the RSX's job. why dont we ever hear about how the RSX can produce graphics that blow away the 360, its always graphics an CELL, which is all BS. the cell can HELP OUT, but it DOESNT produce the graphics. so based of of what do you guys say the PS3 is the superior console!!

edit!! see there eddie thats what I HATE about you STUPID ASS sony boys. not once did I attack you or try to offend or insult you but since you didnt have an answer for what I posted you decided to attack!!2008 will be the year devs stop being biased against the PS3. how stupid does that sound. if I was a dev why would I waste my hard earned money just to make a crappy game for this SUPER SYSTEM just so I can loose it!! I swear you guys just dont get it!! I was trying to be sensible but I swear theres so stupid ass people on here. called me a loser an said get a life because i said something constructive!!

[eddierivera]

wow, you know alot stuff about video games, for a loser. Get a life,, Its all about what the devs wanna do, i dont care what you say about what system does what,,, the devs are the ones that make it pretty or not, all the devs were just used to making stuff for the xbox, and were to lazy to change it over to ps3 code. so much better then sony you say? just look at burnout and see for yourself. 2008 is the year that devs will stop being so biased against the ps3 and actually try to make good games for it,,

[scrillakiller]

well from what ive seen uncharted and ratchet and clank both look better graphically than any game from either console.but its not just graphics alone.its the amount of onscreen things happening on ps3.for instance heavenly sword had 1000 charecters on screen with three diffrent charecters with 3 diff fighting styles plus snow,fire and catapults shooting #hit at u with awesome graphics.the worlds on ps3 are also alot larger vs 360.just look at warhawk or resistance fall of man online vs maybe say halo or gears.sound is alot better in ps3 games.i mean there is quite a few things.if u cant see it its becuz u dont want to cuz my eyes sure do

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

You would think that the person who wrote the text above would actualy keep it within the confines of the "actual" podcast and not make up their own BS.

Meus Renaissance, you think you can actualy quote 1up next time or atleast say that it's your opinion?

[ElementX]

So right now PS3 doesn't have a soul? Is it hell-spawn? I sold mine and I'm happy because it helped me build a pretty good gaming PC! YAY! I'll get another when the price comes down, maybe towards the end of next year

[Kugar77]

how they said the xbox peaked at halo...ps3 hasn't peaked yet, its got plenty of time. and i know microsoft has a couple of promising games coming out this year but you gotta give it up to sony, they have a killer lineup (and that doesn't just include mgs4 so STOP talking sh*t about it)

[Cupid_Viper_3]

1. The Original xbox had a fanbase of approximately 26 million, (I could be wrong)

2. The xbox 360 had a full year ahead of all next gen consoles.
3. Big releases,: Bioshock, Gears of War, Mass Effect. (the ones that i cant think of)

4. Biggest Game (s): Halo 3, Forza 2, PGR 4,
5. Current Standing: 2nd place with approximately 13.5 million units.
This is how I look at these figures. 2 years into its life, with one year on the market by itself and its biggest hitters released, The xbox360 could barely regained half of its previous-gen user base. with the playstation 2 still outselling it, i come to 2 possible conlusions. 1 Either the half of the previous-gen xbox's fanbase, got ps3's. 2 or got ps2's, or wiis while they wait for a cheaper priced ps3. And keep in mind that the PS3 is holding its own so far with only one established franchise released, Rachet and Clank. now in no way shape in form am I saying that the 360 is done, all i'm saying is that, espeacially with Blue Ray as the new format for HD, all i'm saying saying is that.........THE FUTURE IS HERE. The many times you wish you could take your games anywhere is HERE, REMOTE PLAY. The many times you wish your games could be confused with real life, GT5. The many times you wish your games were as great as movies is here, HEAVENLY SWORD,UNCHARTED,MGS4,RACHET AND CLANK,KILLZONE 2, LAIR, FFXIII and so many more its here, so with no fanboyism, I bought a playstion in june 1999, and on a demo cd call JAMPACK 4 I played metal gear solid, and i've never needed anything else for my gaming. Im a gamer, a movie enthusiast, im online sometimes, i travel a lot. My PS3+PSP lets me keep up with everthing I love, So when any of you find something that can come close, just post it on here and maybe i wont be too busy to check it out, till then, this debate is over til next gen.

[lawgone]

Could someone please direct me to a game forum that isn't filled with irrational fanboys? Someplace with a little maturity and objectivity? Does such a place even exist?

[HCS]

reasons being Home and Little Big Planet.

Talk about stretching it lol. and whats with halo 3 being the peak?

Other games could sell that much too, halo started out as a tiny no man's project before. It didn't automatically sell millions. And not buying that of gears of war 2? WTF that game is going to be pretty big and im sure RARE will turn tides again like they did long time ago with Banjo Kazooie, Killer Instinct, Perfect Dark etc. So all of a sudden Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 will be BIG???? Goodluck, LOL, when is the damn bias gonna stop.

Wait a minute, havent we been hearing ps3 was gonna kill xbox 360 since the moment it was announced? the credibility of these journalists are being very questionable.

Like dude said above, Nintendo and Microsoft havent announced sh!T. so we don't know anything yet.

One thing for sure, is they aint going to just let SONY run circles around them and want to win just as bad.

Another poster also mentioned all of the suprise successes of 2007 nobody else expected like bioshock, mass effect etc.

2008 should have surprises too.,

[Vespertine]

The PS3 will definitely catch up to the Xbox 360 in 2008. But will it win the console race (in 2008)? Absolutely not.

The PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii are all excellent consoles and I don't see a definite winner in 2008.

[TheExecutive]

OK guys... I have read through the posts.

1. The 360 has plenty of good games next year to choose from. I, however, dont think ONE of them can stand up to GT, MGS, FF, or LBP (i choose to be mum about KZ2 because in all honesty i am skeptical)

2. I cant BELIEVE you people dont think Warner going blu is a big deal for the gaming industry. ITS HUGE. DOES ANYONE really think that the ps2 would have sold so much if it had some proprietary format? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Would DVD had the start it did if it wasnt for the PS2? NO. Does this ring some bells? It should. Putting bluray in the PS3 killed hddvd. It will help sell butt loads of ps3's and is good for both gaming and movie lovers.

Get over your thoughts that the format wars have nothing to do with gaming. When bluray was introduced in the ps3 it made it relevant to gaming. A large reason why the ps2 sold so many consoles is because it had the new format in it. It looks as though the ps3 has done this also. Expect HUGE numbers this year from both gamers and movie buffs.

3. The 360 has peaked, it isnt "done" but they will sell around 30 million consoles this cycle and introduce the "720" to be released some time in late 2009 or 2010. MS failed to gain a bunch of market share because of hardware issues and a stigma that its only for hardcore gamers (a fps console). Coming out first with less than steller specs seems to have been a mistake. Now that MS didnt sell HUGE numbers right out of the gate (which needs to happen to justify an early release) they are left with their d*cks in their hands. People are just beginning to be ready for next-gen and MS has already played their hand. THey didnt fail by any stretch of the imagination, but lets face it, they didnt do what they set out to do.

[shylos10]

I didn't get an xbox, but i got a xbox 360, and I'm so dissapointed with microsoft for all the problems I had with it. The fact that they're constantly releasing new versions in different colours makes you feel crap for buying the original and they're now saying a new console next year maybe. I'm never buying another xbox again after this. I'm just happy I bought a PS3 for xmas, It's not gonna be the year of the PS3, its kick a whole generation of gaming ass, like the PS1 did. It'll probly kick ass right into 720's lifespan, or whatever microsoft wants to call it,

[FirstknighT]

"The fact that they're constantly releasing new versions in different colours makes you feel crap for buying the original"

But it plays the same games, right??? The fact is all consoles get an upgrade. The ps3 had more sku's in its first year than the 360 did. My 360 was bought day 1 and it plays Bioshock, Halo 3, and Mass Effect just as perfect as the newer 360's.

[Ko_Uraki]

Just 1 week before the NPD numbers, there are a lot of people/anaylists ready to say that the PS3 will rule and that the XBOX 360 will die. Every mounth the same story.

LOL
I'm starting to think that it is part of the SONY's plan of investments for the PS3 marketing.

The predictions are funny, and I don't say that at 1UP they are totally wrong. But they are basing them on the present day situation.
I wonder what will happen if at MS they cut the 360 price (50$ would be enough) for the GTAIV release date.
All these predictions will go to hell in a nanosecond.

Nevertheless I don't see how the main softwarehouses should leave the 360, when they are getting the 70% of the revenues from the 360.
UTIII is a flop on the PS3, on the 360 would have been a mega hit.

[TrooGamer]

Not just a case of dropping price. MS have to make more reliable hardware and attract casual gamers thatw as there point.

Ninty - casual
Sony - casual/hardcore
MS - hardcore

Guess which group equates to more sales?

UTIII a flop? Only NA have it at the moment. Also is the 360 version even getting mods for free?

People need to stop think that any gam on 360 will deffo sell. May have a better chance but there are no guarantees.

MS problem with the 360 wont be Sony or Ninty but themselves and there complete lack of games for casual gamers.

Sony will release a Buzz with DLC this by the end of the year with a cheaper machine.

Plus they have PSEye as well they have more chance of attracting more consumers this year than 360

[HardcoreGamer]

metal gear solid games have no issues at all, the games are always amazing and a breath taking experience, its got a way way better story experience than halo, period.

some people agreeing with mgs being a great game but "HAVING ISSUES"

you gotta be kidding me, even though you guys state no true issues whatsoever. how can you bring that up???

MGS IS A GREAT IP

[zPlayer]

i have a shuffle can i listen to a podcast with that or on i tunes? PM me please about it.

[liquidsnake]

MGS games are the best and thats it! There is no game that can match it in story, voice acting and stealth gameplay. Maybe splinter cell, but that game scks in every other way.

[2 cents]

One thing changed since christmas and that it that the 360 fanboys have stoped making ridiculous comments like:
PS3 is doomed!
PS3 is a piece of ....!
Xbox 360 does everything better than the PS3! ETC ETC...
Now they`ve switched to a deffensive mode.
We don`t need MGS!
Forza2 is way better than GT5 (go figure they never played it)
The 360 won`t just stop selling! And so on.

[m9105826]

I'm just gonna throw this out there. The 360 and PS3 were pretty much neck and neck in their respective first years. Keep in mind however, that in it's first year, the 360 had zero next gen competition. It was free to roam the next gen pasture, as it were. However, the PS3 had both the Wii (much cheaper) and 360 (arguably better games) to compete against, and still managed to sell decently, despite being at a much higher price point for the majority of the year. Take it as you will...

[gdguide]

Sigh.... I swear, some of you read only 1 in ever 5 words or something. It's 110K advantage in 1 WEEK, not month. So what ever increases you were figuring in your head, multiply them by about 4. LOL!

At that pace (assuming the PS3 doesn't sell even more over that), the PS3 will have gained 6.16 million units on the 360 lead. Do the math.

Not to mention that the 360 has played it's strongest cards from last gen in Halo, PGR, and Sony has not with MGS, FF, GT, GofW... Not to mention the PS3 now uses the only format standard for HD movies...

[DarkSniper]

The forecast predicts that Microsoft should and probably will follow the way of Toshiba and express their defeat and dissapointment to the high definition gaming industry. When it comes to advancement in the HD era, Dark Sniper assures you that PLAYSTATION® 3 is the only system where gamers can be ensured top notch gaming experiences with the Playstation Network in addition to the chart topping Blu-Ray media for your HD movie viewing needs.

Furthermore, Dark Sniper would also like to say that The 2008 Consumer Electronics Show will showcase what will be another deathstriking blow for Microsoft. Bill Gates himself will announce the XBOX 360 Ultimate SKU which will include a built in HD-DVD drive with the potential for games to be developed on the drive.

This will prove to be another wasted attempt by Microsoft. Microsoft can not even convince their own slaves to adhere to purchasing this product due to HD-DVD movies not being produced to for their movie watching pleasure. Plus to enjoy any and all future XBOX 360 games that may support this Ultimate console, you would need to spend more money on your own behalf. Similar to the tactics of the now defunct console maker, Sega.

Dark Sniper once again has given the N4G community proven facts that cannot be disputed. What Dark Sniper says is gospel and there's no denying that.

Thank you all for reading.

$niper