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PlayStation 4 'Orbis' Source 'Is A Monkey' - Pachter

NowGamer: Reports of anti-pre-owned technology in the next PlayStation are wide of the mark says Michael Pachter.

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"Anti-pre-owned consoles would lead to a 'consumer backlash' if a platform holder incorporated it alone. If they all do it, they are susceptible to a 'collusion charge', and if one does it and the others don’t, the one who does it will see a loss of market share," Pachter explained.

i think most gamers are agreeing with Pachter for a change.

Hellsvacancy4826d ago

Thanks for postin that, and yes, it think for once i agree with Patcher.........which means he'll end up bein wrong, again

decrypt4825d ago (Edited 4825d ago )

We have to remember N4G is a very small population of gamers.

Most console gamers are gluttons for punishment. Before MS introduced Pay to go online no one would have thought anyone would pay for such a thing(it seemed rediculous). Infact PC gamers out right rejected it. However console gamers on the other hand welcomed it with open arms.

Other examples can be drawn with the state of DLCs. DLCs for stuff like new Maps or skins used to be user made content. Console gamers knew this. It was proven to them with UT on PS3. Yet never did they ever demand moddability on other games, instead they are most willing to pay for petty stuff like maps lol.

Hence if this goes through. I fully see console gamers bending over. In fact if Sony or MS attached some exclusive DLC just to introduce this stuff, most console gamers will think its a bargain and will even go ahead to defend their platform of choice lol, later on it will become a trend and everyone will embrace it.

Ares84HU4825d ago (Edited 4825d ago )

I think that Pachter is a Monkey.

It is very likely that Sony will tie your games to your account because developers keep complaining about used games being sold. This would resolve the issue and I'm sure that Sony wants to appeal to as many developers as possible to get them on their side.

Which just means more games for us. Possibly more Playstation exclusives as well....
More developers will turn to a safe, secure and copy protected system where they know that after every game sold they will get their $.

I buy 95% of my games new anyways so I'm not worried at all.

SilentNegotiator4825d ago (Edited 4825d ago )

@ares

The problem is that this crap limits how us legitimate new buyers use them. As someone who buys new so often, you should be VERY worried. Publishers keep using more and more ways to limit our ownership and usage of games.

Used sales aren't destroying gaming. Big publishers still brandish multi-million dollar CEOs and sell millions of copies of games. Even many of the little guys are selling millions of copies of games with little advertisement.

T9004825d ago

@ares

You realise, indirectly most games already cost more than 60usd. This is because most games now a days already come with DLCs at launch. Hence most people already pay more than 60usd for games.

Having the option to sell the same games and buy new ones was what kept people buying new games. Games on consoles are simply to expensive to buy and not being able to sell the previous game will further limit budgets hence this may lead to a slow down in game sales rather than increase as publishers are hoping for.

The only other option i see people do having is buying stuff from online outlets like Steam. Where games are on discount within 2-3 months of launch. At those price points it is fine to not be able to sell the game again. Hell there are online shops which are selling CD keys for PC version of games. Mass effect 3 can currently be had for 36usd. I personally bought BF3 day one at 37usd.

If console makers are willing to go to those prices, then yea i would think it would be justified to not be able to sell the games. However at 60usd plus DLC costs i think its a bit too much. Console gaming is already too expensive imo.

JBaby3434825d ago (Edited 4825d ago )

I only see this as a problem for letting friends borrow games which would include taking it to a friend's house to play together. Otherwise I buy all my games new and never sell them (I frequently play my old games) and I don't agree with the used game industry. I think other people should do the same. I'm not made of money so I understand the expense can be an issue. If price is an issue then wait a little while and the price comes down. There are several games I'm waiting on before I buy them. Heaven forbid you don't have every single game day 1. If it is that good then pay full price otherwise wait until the price is more comfortable for you. Only buy DLC if the game is really worth it which for me is about 5% of games.

Gaming1014825d ago

Anti-used-gaming protection is something that will only make sense if both Microsoft and Sony do it. If just one company does it then the vast majority of gamers will opt to buy the other company's console instead and enjoy a life of buying used games, and selling used games. It's suicide for the one company that does it, but if both of them do it, they have something going for them, now it's a monopoly and gamers will be forced to buy in or just stick with their last gen consoles, which a huge ton of them will. Gamers must learn to speak with their wallets, and that means not buying something and caving in. Once you hand your money over you're sending the message that what they're doing is ok. If there's one thing a console maker can't afford its a non-starter to a new console, so they'll either have to conspire to make both consoles anti-used or stick with the current business model.

zeeshan4825d ago

I love SONY but God knows I won't even think for a second to drop my support if they do this. And if both SONY and MS do this, I'll simply jump to either Nintendo or PC platform. At least the games are cheap on PC.

This used game sale thing is becoming a monster. If they can lower the prices of games to say $30 or $40 then yeah mmaaayybbbeee we can deal such crap but at $60 price point, I think it will fair with gamers.

snipes1014825d ago

What these big publishers fail to realize is that many new games are purchased with credit obtained via trade ins. People dont usually pay for too many games right out of pocket. They need the ability to trade their used games so that they may buy new games.

This is an all around dumb idea and the only people that lose here are the consumers.

sikbeta4825d ago

Can't believe it, but Pachter is right this time lol

Ares84HU4825d ago

@SilentNegotiator

I don't really know how it limits you using your game. Do you mean that now you can't take your game over to your friends house?? Because you can do that too as long as you log in on their system to your account. Or what do you mean exactly??

@T900

You do know that first day DLC and add-on content and stuff like that is all the result of publishers trying to make more money do to second hand sales. Well that's not the only reason but that's a part of it. But a good example is Battlefield 3. We had to enter a stupid code the "online pass" just so we could play online. Now if you want to buy BF3 used and want to play online, you are forced to buy an online pass. They came up with this thing so they can get money from used sales somehow. But we have to put up with it.

I agree with you that publishers should lower games prices because if they tie games to your account than the direct result will be less games purchased because not everyone has $60 2x a month to buy a new game. I'd say if they want this thing to work they should drop the prices down to $40 and this wouldn't be an issue. Or reward people with discounts if they buy a lot of games since they will know how many games you purchased just by looking at your account.

SilentNegotiator4825d ago

"you can do that too as long as you log in on their system to your account"

1) Some online passes are being restricted to hardware.

2) Most CONTENT passes are only for one system at a time (even if you can delete and download elsewhere, it's very inconvenient to have to do that every time).

3) This argument is irrelevant if "orbis" and "Durango" have the sort of systems described in some of the rumors. Because it will be much worse.

tee_bag2424825d ago

This move has very little to do with helping developers as pitched. More so the plan is to transfer wealth from the second hand buyers/sellers industry to subsidise for online gaming.

MaxXAttaxX4825d ago

Can't rent or keep titles from them anymore for these new systems.

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Chitown712914826d ago

LOL yea I agree with Patcher for once. I personally think Sony know what they were doing this gen....everything was a prototype this gen.....The move, the online services, Home.....everything was a prototype for what the PS4 will be. I feel like the PSP was a prototype for the Vita, and PS3 is gonna be one for PS4. The PS4 will be a fully realized PS3.....and I can't wait.

Jobesy4825d ago

I wouldn't say "prototype". Every platform improves on it's previous model, the PS4 will be no different but that doesn't make the PS3 a prototype. The only issue the PS3 had was a lack of RAM which made it fall short of the Xbox360's social features (x-game chat, voice messaging, etc.) as well as having a slow xmb. Other than that, the PS3 is an amazing machine.

Chitown712914825d ago

Nah I was just saying that I felt like Sony took a lot of gambles this generation, and I think they were just testing the water, to see what could work, and would couldn't.... The only thing they really gambled with on the PS2 was the DVD drive, and the Eye Toy.....that had a lot more stuff to offer this gen.

kevnb4825d ago

ps3 and xbox 360 have the exact same amount of ram, only difference is that the 360 can share ram between gpu and cpu while the ps3s ram is split and dedicated. The ps3 also has a unique processor capable of handling many little tasks at once to make up for a shortage of ram. What microsoft was able to do better was the os itself, not a big surprise really lol.

Greyfoxdbz4825d ago

Wow, When did a Monkey learn how to type or speak.

Mr Patriot4825d ago

Looks like patcher got one such monkey

ziggurcat4825d ago

his name is luke plunkett, he works for kotaku, and he thinks pastebin is a legitimate source.

kevnb4825d ago (Edited 4825d ago )

pachter doesnt realize that the publishers and console makers agree on this. Gamestop selling their games for $5 cheaper over and over again and barely stocking any new games isnt helping them.
I think they will throw online pass in for even single player games, and even stricter drm than consoles already have.

cjflora4825d ago

The problem with Pachter though is that half of the crap he says is common sense. I think most people I've seen who've commented on this topic have stated that it's highly unlikely because it would really turn people off of the product.

morkendo234825d ago (Edited 4825d ago )

@ area84
that is the purpose buying used games
its cheaper!! dont think used games going anywhere anytime soon.
if developers pissed at used sale market not gamers fault we're trying to save and servive. not everyone can afford 60.00 a pop. example:180 for 3 games while used games: 3 games 19.99 = 64.98

metroid794825d ago

patcher is right 4 once if sony or microsoft go with this approach they will fail BIG.

salinidus4822d ago

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tehpees34826d ago (Edited 4826d ago )

I never thought I'd see the day where I say this but I agree with him. I buy my games new as much as I can but there are cases where games go out of print or some just don't sell and are very hard to find.

cjflora4825d ago

This is about the equivelent of him claiming the sky is blue. It's not hard to agree with a statement that is pretty obvious. I mean, they could decide to go down this road, but I don't think anyone can argue that anyone will be pleased with the results and they'll lose console sales over it.

Hicken4825d ago

And yet look at how many of the fools in here think it's a good idea. They're all brainwashed into thinking used game sales hurt developers... as if new game prices don't hurt consumers.

Hell, I love gaming. If I've got four hours to sleep, I'll spend three of em gaming. And there's nothing I like more than supporting my favorite developers. But if it weren't for used games, I never would have become a gamer. Of the 60+ PS2 games I have, 3/4 of them were picked up used. And I never would have found amazing games like The World Ends With You, Lost Odyssey, or Valkyria Chronicles if used copies hadn't existed. My PS3 library, though, consists of almost all new games, now.

People who think this is a good idea probably don't understand that this is how most people become gamers. If you're not certain, you don't wantonly go spending 60 bucks a pop. That would be the same as someone who's just getting into painting going out and grabbing the most expensive materials possible, without knowing if it's something they're good at or want to keep doing.

And then there's the whole ownership rights issue. General Motors cannot tell me where I can drive my car. They cannot stop me from selling my car. They have no right to tell me I can't loan my car to my sister. They own the "intellectual property" that is my car's design, but the ownership of my particular vehicle is mine and mine alone, and I decide what I do with it. The same is true for my house, my bed, my shoes, my clothes, my movies, my music, my alcohol. I can do what I want with my stuff(within reason and legal bounds), including build a Gundam if I damn well please.

And I can sell my games, and just like my clothes, car, or house, the next person should have every reason to believe that the games will work just as they did when they were originally sold.

What's next? DVD/Blu Ray players won't play used movies? Are you people REALLY okay with this?

cjflora4824d ago

Not sure why you only have 1 bubble, but well said and + bubbles from me.

Used games have been around for ever and it's never killed the gaming industry up to this point.

Also, I've heard people use game rentals as a reason for developers losing money on new game sales. Last I knew rental companies have to pay a pretty high royalty fee for each copy they purchase. They aren't going out and buying $60 copies and renting them out.

I'm curious if this will be something similar to the Vita games. I remember an article recently about the Vita locking trophies on a game so that the next person can't earn trophies. However you can "reformat" the game cartridge to reset it and allow trophy collection again. I recently rented Ninja Gaiden from Gamefly and while I did have an option to format the game, I didn't have to in order to get trophies. Maybe I was the first one to use it...

LX-General-Kaos4826d ago (Edited 4826d ago )

I hope that no console goes down that path. Things will just continue to get worse as time goes along if any of this is true. Gaming seems to slowly be shifting into some type of policed lockdown. Its getting more difficult every generation to simply get a game up an running on our consoles. These rules will eventually ruin gaming.

No used games, online passes, the rumored need for a consistent internet connection just to game. Even word of digital distribution only for retail games. Sony and Microsoft are rumored to be heading down this path of videogame lockdown which I pray is false. Let's hope Nintendo does not follow. As of now I have not heard of any such thing from them.

For the 1st time ever I hope that Pachter is right, and that we won't see such madness on our consoles. And like he said, if anyone pulls a stunt like that alone they will likely fall. I believe that completely.

Rated E For Everyone

NateCole4826d ago

Dam it. Patcher is always wrong. Now i am worried.

dale_denton4826d ago

MR. PATCHER JUST GOT SERVED.

_Aarix_4826d ago (Edited 4826d ago )

^ This guy again?

Wintersun6164826d ago

These guys again?

Wow, I just found myself agreeing with Pachter for once and now I'm confused.

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Activision Forces Adverts into Call of Duty Black Ops 6 and Warzone Loadouts

With the launch of Call of Duty Season 4, Activision quietly put adverts inside loadouts for Black Ops 6 and Warzone, sparking a backlash in the process.

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lukasmain14d ago

Putting Ads in a pay-to-play Premium title? Well done Microsoft. Well done /s This is really scummy.

jjb198113d ago

This game will never change because these sweatlords love buying up all the skins and bundles that become obsolete the following year. They're the ones perpetuating Activision's greed.

VenomUK12d ago

If Microsoft introduces adverts into its other games I hope it can do them without disrupting the immersion of the game world. So for example in the new Fable game it would look out of place if there was a billboard advertising Cadillacs.

A far better way to do it would be to have a wizard conjure a 'dream cloud' in front of your character and then in the cloud you can see the Cadillac car and see the text with price and availability and hear a booming sales voice promoting the car. That would work so well as it wouldn't be a billboard and completely, 100%, fit in with your character's adventuring in Albion. Doesn't that sound so much better?!

crazyCoconuts12d ago

@venom, or how about our of 100 farts in Albion, 1 of them has a Cadillac pop out

VenomUK12d ago

@crazyCoconuts That’s undeniably off-beat - but it could really work!

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Xbox's first-party handheld has been sidelined

Xbox's handheld ambitions continue unabated, but the focus is shifting towards improving Windows 11 for third-party handhelds — for now. The Xbox Series X 'Melrose' successor is safe, with development continuing at full pace.

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shadowT16d ago

Is there really a market for handhelds next to mobile?

Vits15d ago

If they run the same games as the main home console, then yeah, sure.
But if they need specially tailored games just for them? Probably not, unless there isn't a home console for comparison (see Switch).

RaidenBlack15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

I am kinda low-key happy this happened.
Dont want another Series S situation (games to be designed from 4 to 12TF scale and not 10 to 12TF).
Hope PS follows suit as well. Tablet SKU sharing with console for 10th gen, will just continue the cross gen -esque development/design phase/nature.
Want a proper 20+ only TF rasterized next-gen plz (+ frame-gen and the lot).
If anybody wants to continue the cross-gen, the Series S|X, PS5 will remain for that. And Switch 2, if you gotta go even lower in the TF range.

ABizzel115d ago

Yes and No. All of the PC handhelds combined have struggled to sell 7 million units, which would be a flop for any “console”. So the market is extremely niche because of price and target market (the informed hardcore gamer / casuals aren’t picking these up).

These handheld PCs are $500 or more, and offer at best Xbox Series S performance levels, so it’s best for MS specifically to just partner with ASUS, instead of investing millions if not billions.

Sony can make their own with custom AMD hardware due to their partnership, and stronger global brand for hardware. But even then it brings the question, of being a lower resolution PS5, and what does that mean for PS6 cross-gen (likely another generation where the first 3 - 4 years are just upgraded last-gen games).

Kosic15d ago

Imagine a Wii U style console, where the tablet doesn't rely on the console it's self, you download the game on the console under the TV and play in 4k glory, then you can remote play, get some unique game features if using both console and handheld in tandem. Then you can download the games in 720-1080p to play on the go, continue your progress, and continue on the TV when you get back.

Sony could get away with this due to exclusives, and that would be a reason for sales. Look at the portal.

I can picture seeing new hardware having some sort of GPU dock, where the handheld runs 1080p, and the dock has additional hardware to bring in 4k/60 specs.

I do think handheld gaming is going to be a strong future, imagine Nintendo release a new upgraded GPU dock for the Switch 3, every 2 years. More frames, sharper graphics on the same game for an extra £150 for a dock with a built in GPU chip. Console cycles doesn't have to be renewed, just the hardware can be improved by them reselling docks to us again and again with small/yearly upgrades like mobile phones.

GamerRN15d ago

Did you just imply that Sony can make a better stronger handheld than Microsoft? You do realize we are talking about Microsoft, the tech giant, right? If Microsoft can't make one that's cost effective, Sony definitely can't...

Brand and market share means nothing when you are a trillion dollar company

ABizzel114d ago

@GamerRN

It has nothing to do with what company can do it, or what company can spend.

For anyone taking a basic business class there is a term called ROI, and Xbox home consoles are selling at an all time low, meaning their ROI on a handheld is a risk that doesn’t make sense, even if they can afford it. Businesses are there to make money and it doesn’t make sene for MS to invest in a handheld that’s a companion device when their current home consoles they’ve spent 20 years working on are at an all time-low, when they can invest with little risk with what ASUS already has to offer.

This is why Sony can build a better device, because they have less risk involved, meaning they can invest more in their own product, and they already have an exclusive partnership with AMD on creating features and hardware. So in this specific case, YES Sony can built a better handheld, due to custom hardware, customer tools, low level APIs, compared to an off the shelf product running Windows or a Window Xbox kernel =.

TheEroica15d ago

I play steam deck primarily... Don't play consoles or mobile. The deck covers it all.

badz14915d ago

@shadowT

The Switch is a handheld, so will the Switch 2. what are you on about?

Cacabunga15d ago

To run native games offline? Anytime

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CrashMania16d ago

Funny to see the alt already damage controlling and having a meltdown with multiple accounts in the comments already.

Sad for MS if true, a dedicated handheld would go down a lot better than a rog ally 2 with an Xbox sticker on it I think.

crazyCoconuts15d ago

It couldn't have succeeded for a number of reasons. Now they've retreated to the Windows front and trying to keep that relevant for gaming. How long before Windows Central realizes there won't be a real console successor to Series X either?

Lightning7715d ago

Except there is. That project is reportedly full speed ahead.

Outside_ofthe_Box15d ago

@Lighting77

So was the handheld until today...

Lightning7715d ago

@outside obviously not since they sidelined it and they wanna see how the Asus does. Are you saying they're gonna cancel the next console?

crazyCoconuts15d ago

@lightning - I'm admittedly trying to box you in here - Do you think the next Xbox console will have Steam on it?

Outside_ofthe_Box15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

@Lightning

Here we go with having to spell everything out.

If I told you yesterday that Xbox was going to sideline the handheld console what would your response have been? Probably something along the lines of "I doubt that since Phil has been talking about it for some time now"

My point is just because they are "full speed" ahead now does not mean that will not change in future. As we have seen with the handheld. Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?

Lightning7715d ago (Edited 15d ago )

Box me in? No you said the same thing you've always been saying for years now. Those are the rumors to have Steam integration.

What about it

If you told me they were gonna cancel it tomorrow it would nothing more than fanboy talking points. I only wait for credible sources not what someone else says.

Also this is the handheld not a full blown new console. The Asus is yet to release and they're waiting to see how that thing does. Critical thinking is my strong suit you should try it some time if you can. But Ok cool well you hang your hat on that I guess. Main New console is gonna get cancelled even though the handheld is a different marketing device than the main the console itself.

__y2jb15d ago

I think there is a 75% chance there will not be another Xbox. There is zero reason to buy one now. No way it can possibly sell more than 10m units after Xbox went third party.

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BLow15d ago

That's what they do. Goalposts shift like the wind.

I'm really confused on why they are making a "first party" device and also have a Rog Ally with their sticker on it. Make this make sense. How is their own device going to be any different?

Your console doesn't sell and they expect a handheld to?

RaidenBlack15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

The Rog Ally one is gen agnostic ... as you deciphered, it was to be the updated Rog Ally but just with Xbox branding. PC handheld with some Xbox features.
The handheld Xbox is/was supposed to be sharing the same gen/ecosystem with the next-gen (10th gen) Xbox. Think Series S but handheld ... it'll run the Xbox OS or whatever the next Xbox will run.
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As for anybody wondering/confused why MS is doing another Xbox console ... coz mainly its the 10th gen of home consoles next, which started wayy back in 1972 for the 1st gen. And MS wanna be part in it, in the 10th anniversary gen of consoles. If they gotta bow out, they can't do that at 9th i.e just before 10th. They wanna stick around till the 10th or the X-th gen and check what the fuss happens.

Outside_ofthe_Box15d ago

Curious as to what excuses the spam was saying. Because prior to this news, the Xbox handheld was used as proof that Xbox is still committed to the hardware space. This handheld being scraped is not a good sign...

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Outside_ofthe_Box15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

@Spam
You can replace scrapped with pushed back if you like. It's not a good sign either way.

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1Victor15d ago

asq3= obscured: “ What’s your source on the handheld being scrapped? “
Read the article from Microsoft own website and one of your favorite quotations site when it’s something bad about Sony.
Oh BTW good luck with your next SPAM account.

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FTC drops case against Microsoft’s Activision Blizzard deal

The FTC has officially dropped its case against Microsoft’s acquisition of Activision Blizzard.

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slate9123d ago

The sweet smell of tax dollars burning

Killa7822d ago

From the unemployment this deal caused, no doubt.

Obscure_Observer22d ago

"The sweet smell of tax dollars burning"

They never stood a chance. It was a lost cause from the start. And yet, still, they´d decided to go ahead and double down on their bs to bleed the taxpayer even more.

dveio22d ago

The IRS demands 29bn USD in not paid taxes from Microsoft.

If we're talking bleeding.

1Victor22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

@slate: “ The sweet smell of tax dollars burning “

The smell of political donations endorsements under the table.
There I fixed it it for you
We all knew Microsoft plan of “10 years of all systems publishing “ and some of its supporters happy that after all the games would be “exclusive to Xbox “ now that things have changed and Microsoft got humbled by the lost of money from CoD going down from OVER A BILLI🤑N to
MILLI😩NS the sales failing of games that would released on PlayStation and be forced by INVESTORS asking for their M🤑NEY to grow faster than the next 10 years it is obvious that it would be a waste of money to continue this litigation.
Edit:@obscured: “ They never stood a chance. It was a lost cause from the start “

Same as your grievance stages.
Have you passed the bargaining stage yet ? Or are you still on the anger stage 🤣

slate9122d ago

I knew my singe bipartisan sentence would bring out the crazies. Thanks for the wall

Astrokis22d ago

Not sure if I’m disturbed or entertained but either way I hope you are alright

OtterX22d ago

I think they're convinced now that MS won't (and can't) withhold releases from conpeting platforms. MS on the street corner now like, "Who wants a taste?!"

PhillyDonJawn22d ago

I wont be too sure of that. Gotta wait and see till after these deals expire

OtterX22d ago

That's how it always starts, "I'll just work this street corner for a short while until I get caught up on my bills..."

Tacoboto22d ago

Oh yeah, they're totally gonna make Xbox exclusives again, with the hardware they're totally committed to selling and making available lol

raWfodog22d ago

As far as I'm aware, the only 'deal' that was discussed was for Call of Duty. Xbox had no obligation to make any of their other games multiplatform. They did that of their own accord.

OtterX22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

**btw, I'm talking about street food vendors, just in case there's any confusion!

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Lightning7722d ago (Edited 22d ago )

I've seen videos and talk a online speculating MS long game. Some think that MS multiplat move is use to appease the FTC so they can buy more and is somehow a move that could get Sony to open up their platform. In other words them going third party and letting their games go everywhere. MS possible scheme and ulterior motives, speculated by Jeff Grubb is that putting Xbox store on PS via regulation Which would hurt PS buissness very badly because that 30% cut would be even less or not a cut at all. MS buys more because they're "playing nice" by opening up its platform to Epic store and steam which would force Apple and Sony to open up their ecosystem to other stores like MS.

If that's the case that'll mean as I said before, PS fans buying Cod on PS via MS store would give 100% maybe even 90% of the money being pocketed by MS while Sony's store front wanes when it comes to third party because guess what? MS is buying more third party and preying off the extreme ignorance of the FTC. Manipulation of the FTC and MS overtaking the PS store and customers

My thing is this. I know it's a opinion and speculation but why does Sony have to open up its store or force them to go multiplat? If they still believe in selling their freakin console then let them do it. If they want to provide the best games and the best content for its fans then let them do it!? Why because the competition is trash at selling games and consoles for 14 years now Sony has to change? MS using the ignorance of the FTC to overtake gaming as we know it?

Again it's just talk and opinion but man this seems very, very possible imo.

dveio22d ago

Well, at the time, I actually did think the FTC and CMA did a poor job in court. But also the judge.

Having said that - it is what it is.

If 75bn mergers in any industry ain't a threshold to deny them, then I don't know what is.

As far as your thoughts about other 3rd parties getting taken over in the future go:

I think publisher buyouts are off the list now. I think it would be reeeeally difficult for MS to win another trial try taking over any other publisher.

But smaller studios ... maybe.

However, right now I can't see studios out there advocating for a buyout from Microsoft.

That isn't to say an announcement of such couldn't drop on Monday already. Because we today know that Microsoft had approached a plethora of other studios in 2018 to 2021, such as IOI, CD Project, etc.

We'll see. And we can't do anything about it. It's up to trade commissions and then probably courts to decide.

Lightning7722d ago (Edited 22d ago )

"I think publisher buyouts are off the list now. I think it would be reeeeally difficult for MS to win another trial try taking over any other publisher."

That's the thing MS is ticking all the boxes by not have anything be exclusive so the CMA/FTC see that they're doing "fair practice" in games and content distribution. Which technically greenlits more aquisions or it makes it easier for acquisitions because MS is a mega publisher now.

"However, right now I can't see studios out there advocating for a buyout from Microsoft."

Hopefully not but them going multiplat could entice Studios to join MS because nothing is not longer exclusive which means more money for them, studio and teams.

We can't do nothing about it but Sony can. They can block xbox games on their console (lose that 30% cut) but Sony won't do that because that's money that will be lost and Sony runs a buissness. That's the only way to hurt or slow down Xbox.

I'm probably over thinking it as I do these things but it's something we shouldn't just ignore and be weary of MS motives here. I'm keeping an eye on them.

Rancegamerx22d ago

The idea that Microsoft is manipulating the FTC and forcing Sony to open its platform is silly and has no evidence to back it up. Microsoft’s multiplatform approach is 100% due to past failures and its laughable position in the gaming industry. Their best attempt was a fluke and a lie, brought on by Sony’s missteps and a poorly made machine that broke down too often.

Sony would never allow themselves to be "forced" to do anything; they control their platform and storefront perfectly fine without the need or desire to add an unnecessary Microsoft storefront. Even if, by some flaw on Sony’s part, Microsoft were able to introduce its store on PlayStation, Sony would adapt rather than collapse. Digital storefront competition already exists (Steam, Epic Games Store, Xbox Store), and PlayStation’s business won’t suddenly "wane."

Also, regulators like the FTC don’t operate on ignorance—they actively assess market behavior to prevent monopolies. Microsoft isn’t secretly overtaking gaming with some ultimate scheme. The industry might be changing or shifting (for the worse, in my opinion), but Sony will continue evolving based on market trends, not because of alleged schemes.

Gaming isn’t about one company "playing nice" or another being "forced" to change—it’s about making money with games, something Microsoft has yet to achieve in 25+ years.

Lightning7722d ago

"The idea that Microsoft is manipulating the FTC and forcing Sony to open its platform is silly and has no evidence to back it up."

That's why I said it was all speculation that's what Jeff Grubb opinion. I made that clear several times. You know what's funny? When Jim was in court ppl got mad at the FTC for protecting Jim Ryan instead of the consumer. Maybe he was right to worry about his business. Now look Releasing Xbox games on PS keeps MS studio an a float. Now Xbox games are all over PS now. Maybe Jim was onto something.

MS is still competing with Sony just in a very different way. The FTC back down mainly means they can buy more and MS next steps can proceed. We'll have to see what happens in the future but I wouldn't be so sure on your stance.

InUrFoxHole22d ago

@Lightning77
MS putting games everywhere is the most consumer friendly thing I've seen a game company do.

dveio22d ago

@InUrFox

What does "putting everywhere" actually mean?

This book has so many pages.

• Xbox was dying in revenue
• Regulators put a 10 year deal on CoD
• Microsoft had to give away the streaming
• Spencer himself only offered 3 yrs initially

And most importantly

• Again, Xbox was dying in revenue

Xbox have the benefit of their actual financial situation giving regulators and courts the impression they release games everywhere, what they actually do.

But for reasons they can't be proven guilty of anything in court.

I'm not judging, it's just what it is.

IF the Series generation would have developed differently and was much more successful, I don't hesitate any second to believe in what Spencer had originally planned to do:

• Make everything Xbox exclusive
• We today know that Spencer had also approached Sega, From Software, CD Project, Nintendo, and even Valve was on their list of buyouts.

MS are playing a card here everyone knows why they are doing it.

Putting Doom "everywhere", which even was it already before it got bought, ain't a MS thing.

It would had hurt them in many ways if they'd put it exclusively to Xbox.

But, no matter what - it is what it is.

Xbox bought themselves back into the game. And I think many people just don't have very fond feelings towards this behaviour, wether on corporate nor private levels.

Let's see how they'll run with it.

In 2030, but most importantly after regulations will have expired we will learn better.

Reaper22_22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Seemed like a lost cause anyway. Microsoft gambled and it paid off big time. That's what you call a big boss move. Sony played a huge part in the success of that acquisition.

wesnytsfs22d ago

Bout time. Pointless from the start.

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