Sorry that people are idiots, Bioware

Lazygamer.net's Garth Holden is...upset...that Bioware might cave in to entitled fans' demands

[MariaHelFutura]

People are idiots. But.... Bioware/EA are more idiotic for actually refunding people who don't like the ending.

[Ares84HU]

This is what you get when you raise people with the mentality of " the costumer is always right" and letting people think that they can do whatever the hell they want.

There are so many problems on this planet yet people choose to bitch about a video games ending and going as far as to ask for their money back. I know that most of them just using that excuse to get a full refund and that way they got to play ME3 for absolutely free. It's just disgusting.

I bet if you would gave a TV and gaming system to a child that never got a chance to play a video game because of his/hers parents financial state, that child wouldn't complain about ME3 ending. This example just goes to show how much of a cry baby most of these people are demeaning refunds and crying over a video GAMEs end because they think they are "entitled". Guess what, you are entitled to breath air and that is it. The rest needs to be earned and cherished.

God, I hate people who think they are entitled to everything.

[JBaby343]

It's sad but more and more Americans have a sense of entitlement. It's unfortunate to see the turn society is making but it is more and more pronounced. This game is just the tip of the iceberg but it is still very telling. Just look who's in the Oval Office right now. The entitlement community just keeps getting bigger.

[hellztourguide420]

Exactly...people pay money to be entertained and have a good overall experience. Were you people not entertained? Did you not have an overall good experience? When you go to a football game do you demand your money back because your team lost? Stop crying already.

[limewax]

No offence but I hate people who seem to think they get to be the judge of whether someone is disappointed enough to request a refund. I will not be returning my copy, However trying to ascertain some level of self entitlement isn't what its about anyway. Its about being disappointed in the product the person purchased. If they want their money back let them ask, Don't ridicule them for it. Such actions just encourage large business' to do what they want and stuff the customers opinion.

10 years ago you could go into a store and return a faulty product for a new one, nowadays that same store will tell you that you need to take it back home (at your expense in travel) and phone the manufacturer of the product (often on a high rate line) and ask them to retrieve it, or sometimes even send you the parts to do the repairs yourself. We lose more entitlements with our purchases and you defend the company over the customer? Screw that, that sort of attitude is the reason companies get us to bend over backwards for them as it is

[Ares84HU]

@limewax

I work in a store. I'm the manager and I get people returning items to us all the time. Now if it's something reasonable and the person is polite and nice I have no problem helping them out so they don't lose but at the same time I have to make sure that the store doesn't lose either. Full refunds are usually not an option, exchanges are. But 90% of the time when people come back with an item they purchased is because they brake the item out of their own stupidity. I always make sure that everyone knows what they are getting EXACTLY just to rule out the "I didn't know what I got and that's not what I wanted" argument. But I'm pretty sure that if you have a half a brain you know what you are buying but if you don't than oh well. Why should I suffer for a costumers stupidity?? Now back to the product, if they brake the item out of their own stupidity than what do you want me to do??? Most likely, if I give them another one they will brake it again and they will come back again. Again, why should that money come out of my pocket?? Why should a store pay for a persons stupidity??? Well sorry but people aren't entitled to everything they think they are entitled to. Whoever got ME3 (at least the great majority) knew what they are getting. I knew what I got when I purchased it. I always research the products I want to buy before I do. That's such a basic thing to do today. We got the internet, it's a powerful tool, use it!! I always know what I'm getting even before I got it. I do not take chances. Maybe more people should do the same. But no, this is just stupidity and these cry babies just need a slap to get them back to reality.

You should stop defending the stupidity and the immaturity of others!

[BlackTar187]

yea lime you sound like the entitled youth that are plaguing our country now.

[LiViNgLeGaCY]

@Ares84HU

So, you're telling me you're the MANAGER at a store and you can't even spell correctly? Wow, just wow.

[da_2pacalypse]

While I don't agree that the ending should be fixed... I also believe that the ending should have been better in the first place. If they come up with new endings, I'm not going to care because i already sold my game. The series is already ruined for me. I don't really care anymore.

But hey, that's just me.

[badz149]

to be fair to him, he didn't say that he's a dictionary store manager lol!

[Bigpappy]

Gamers are going to end up killing their own pass time. I could understand voicing your opion loudly about you dissatisfaction with the way the game ended. But to play the game and then return it for a refund is is disingenuous at best. There are many games that should be returned. Many that are bad after 5 mins. This is a very well made game and is of high quality. I don't beleive that any of you paid $60 just to see the ending. If that is the case, you just had to PM me, and I would sent you the vid for free.

What we have here, is a bunch of followers who play games. They would follow anyone who pretends to be leading a fight.

There are many developers who's games I used to play, but I have stopped playing because I no longer like the direction they took the game. I have never, in my many years in gaming, ruturned a game because of an ending I did not like. I did not like the ending of Skyrim main story, but I still think it was the best game last year.

[Ares84HU]

@LiViNgLeGaCY

See my name? Ares84HU?? You know what HU is standing for? No? HUngary. As in I'm Hungarian. English isn't my first language so naturally I make mistakes every now and than.

So, now let me see how well you speak Hungarian and if your Hungarian is flawless than we can talk about other things.

This is another problem with people. Everyone judges others quickly without even knowning them.

[joab777]

Great post, great post above and great article. It only proves how much they loved the game. Unfortunately, this was a case of art over profit, and art got crushed. So, expect corporate to b making decisions from now on.

[PS3Freak]

The customer doesn't know shit.

[PwnerifficOne]

I don't think I'm entitled to anything, but If I pay for something I better get something in return. For example, I do not think I am entitled to a house, but if I buy a house brand new, they better do a good job on it. In ME3, they scrapped the original ending and wrote this one in about an hour. It's like if the bathroom sink was crooked, the bath tub has cracks in it, and the toilet was missing a seat in this analogy. People will not stand for Developers BS.

[Dee_91]

self entitlement? immaturity? stupidity?
These people where led to believe that their decision making throughout the trilogy would determine the ending..This is like a movie promising a 2hr movie and its actually30 minutes.Who in their right mind wouldnt want their money back?
They spent their money,who are you to tell them they shouldnt have such self entitlement to want refunds?Stupid because they got lied to?
Your generalising way too much and making examples that have nothing to do with anything..
Someone tell me I shouldnt have a sense of entitlement towards any company when in split second that company would sue me for everything I got for stealing their cash cow crap and taking what to them would be a penny, I dont care about them.Give me what I want or give me my money back
/rant
And I dont even have a problem with the game.
If you were led to believe something and you spend your money on it you can have all the self entitlement you want.I can see if a random site said your decisions matter BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST FREAKING SELLING POINTS.It just baffles that people get called immature and stupid for being mad for being obviously ripped off. It doesnt matter if other games are bad that has nothing to do with this game nor the subject at hand.

[JBaby343]

@dmarc: It's not like that. They got a 2 hour movie they just didn't like the end of it. No refund for not liking the end.

[FACTUAL evidence]

Aaaand I'm going to buy this at 20$.

[TopDudeMan]

Exactly, do you get a refund if a movie has a bad ending? I mean, you still sat through it long enough to get to the ending, so you got your monies worth.

[torchic]

same can be said with music. you buy a Britney Spears album on iTunes, not like one song on that album therefore bitch about it and demand a refund and that Britney Spears rewrite the song?

no of course that doesn't happen.

honestly, never in my short life on this planet have I seen people feel so entitled over something they do not own at all. and the fact that EA actually caved in and gave people refunds is just spoon-feeding the babies. it's all very sad.

off topic: I like the refreshing use of an adorable dog as the picture :)

[Hayabusa 117]

Why the f*ck would they NOT get a refund if EA are stupid enough to pay out? They would truly be idiots if they didn't!

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Actually you do get a refund if you just tell them that you thought the movie was shit...

[CAPSLOCKFURY]

You probably would if the director sat around marketing stuff that wasn't in the movie. Because that's what happened. More than a few things were promised, none were delivered.

It's documented, quoted to hell and back, and ignored by self-righteous hate mongers who want to prove their superiority over someone else on the internet. It's not conjecture, it is there in black and white if people would get off their lazy asses and look at things before joining the bandwagons. Not everything you read on a journalism site is fact, especially when it's "gaming journalism".

A more suitable analogy would be food. If you go to a restaurant and pay for a ribeye with a baked potato but they give a chicken filet with asparagus that isn't even cooked properly, I doubt you'll sit there and say "Oh well, the chef made this so I have to eat it."

[PwnerifficOne]

If you watch a movie and really did not like it, you CAN get your money back. Look up people getting their money back after watching "The Artist," an amazing movie that many people simply did not like. Same thing here.

[Hayabusa 117]

@CAPSLOCKFURY

"Not everything you read on a journalism site is fact, especially when it's "gaming journalism".

I think a more accurate thing to say is "very few things you read from journalists are fact", which is, sadly, fact. It's a shame people forget to question the first piece of information that enters their head.

[Nimblest-Assassin]

There are problems with the ending, no one can deny that, but there is a right and wrong way to criticize.

If we want Bioware to improve, we need to act mature and give them constructive criticism. And their are people whom deliver that kind of criticism. Hell, a good few are trying to explain Bioware how to improve, its just that those giving destructive critisism are pushing us farther away from the goal of the answers we need, because they feel they are entitled to everything. Those people whom have valid critisms and want answers are being pushed back due to all the jokes, sarcasm and even attacking Bioware employees from those giving destructive feedback. Pretty much those people are the idiots, not those whom act in a mature manner.

Truth is, if I were Bioware, I would have given up on trying to explain, I would have just shut up and moved on. But Bioware is trying to make it right for the fans.... and based on some of the crap they are getting, yes I would have stopped caring, imagine if you got all the responses Bioware got, for something you believed in and enjoyed making. Leave EA and their greed out of this now.

We aren't entitled to "a" ending, Bioware want's to make it right, they do not have to but they are. Give them positive feedback and they will respond accordingly, not F**K YOU BIOWARE YOU GREEDY MONEY WHORES, HOLD THE LINE.

I mean, a hooker will stop taking your money, if you act extremely rude to her, she will just stick you the finger and probably kick your ass. Hookers are trained in Kung-fu apparently 0_0(jk, but still act appropriately)

Basically

Logical Individual(constructive criticism)
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Idiot(destructive criticism)
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[adorie]

@TopDudeMan

+1bubble.mkv

[Hayabusa 117]

Very well said. Problem is, most of the criticisms I've heard (including those on N4G, oddly enough :S) are make alot of sense to me. Even weirder, most of the articles criticizing the critics, don't show they understand what the critics are complaing about in the first place. All they can talk about is artist not bending over backwards to please everyone. I know that customers are not always right, I'll be the first person to say that, but I also know we live in a balanced world, which means that sometimes (even if this isn't one of those times) the customers might get it right once in a while.

I mean, just look at the endings! They're exactly the same with different colours...how is that art?

But I totally agree with you. Bioware are not obliged to fix this, at best they should issue an apology and move on. But no, they're actually going out their way to fix it. At least it shows they care about their fans, even if they don't know how to show it.

And I wish people will stop with the conspiracy theories. You guys are being paranoid. That's all there is to it.

@ adorie

People bitch about people bitching all the time. it what makes the world go round. The problem is some people don't know how to bitch convincingly.

[adorie]

I'm going to get disagrees with this. But how are the people BITCHING about people BITCHING any better?

too many negatives being spawned out of negatives here for anyone to seem right in my eyes.

If everyone just moved on, we could get back to the usual nonsense... top 10's full of empty minded drivel, cosplay that seems to be more related to games than a tron watch and your sales numbers, etc.

[TopDudeMan]

So, hang on, who are you bitching about, then? trollface.jpg

[dc1]

@adorie
Fourth person bitching?

No worries, I know what you were trying to say.

[asmith2306]

Completely agree. Charge them $15 for a new ending if they care for it that much.

[OmegaSlayer]

I agree wholeheartedly.
People doesn't get back the money when they get out of the cinema if they don't like the story.
Bioware was wrong in refunding.

[Philoctetes]

"Then my blood boils, to the point that I lose sleep, dreaming about a world where everything goes to hell because companies bow down to the noisy, mouth-breathing Neanderthals who clog up forums because something forced them to think. Something forced them out of their happy little Hollywood bubble, and made them uncomfortable. "

Um, no. The "ending" that Bioware gave us just gets stupider the more you think about it. People are not mad over the fact that it's not the ending they expected. They're mad about the fact that the ending is dreck.

That said, I do feel like an idiot for giving your site the hit that it was obviously desperate for. So I guess you have at least a little bit of a point.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

yeah i agree with everything you said he just want hits.

[TenSteps]

Agreed, that's the problem with most defenders of the ending. They assume those who don't like it just don't like it because it's not happy.

I've visited the Bioware Social Network a lot and one thing I can tell is that majority of those that posted all expected Shepard to bite the dust. Hell a lot of people said that scene with Anderson at the end would have still been a fitting end to the series so they somewhat acknowledge that an all hope is lost ending like that was beautiful.

[360GamerFG]

Get your art out of my game!! If I wanted art and thought provoking poignancy (not sure if real word) I'd have went to my local art gallery and stared at a painting of a blue stripe for hours.
Instead, I bought Mass Effect, a series about choices and how those choices affect the outcome of the game massively (sorry). I wanted my ending to make sense, I wanted my choices to make a difference. What I got was a load of dung.
If thats art, then get it out of my game!

[tigertron]

I can't believe there are people who actually liked the ending, but I'm not going to call them idiots, its their opinion, much like its an opinion that the endings suck. Does that make us idiots? no.

The article author is an idiot and a troll. Just because many of us hate the ending of a beloved franchise does not mean we want hundreds of generic FPS games a year or are comfortable with that notion. There is no logic in that arguement - just like there is no logic to much of what happened at the end of ME3.

I'm just sorry that I gave this website a hit when it was clearly trolling.

[pr0digyZA]

I personally enjoyed the ending, but can see why many did not. I think it's because I have my own interpretation of what happened at the end and it helps me accept it.

[Topshelfcheese]

I agree, one of the best things about the movie Inception is that everyone I saw it with had a different interpretation of what really happened. I like that kind of ending...

[RedDead]

Inception? Wut?

Anyhow...I hope the particular interpretation of said ending does mean more DLc. If Bioware really did do what I think they did...****ing bear sized balls on them to take such a risk

Also yeah the last mission was **** too. i didn't mind much, i just wouldn't preferred my 'fleet' to be visable on the battle field instead of me hearing crap going on in the backround and being separated from the apparent war that was going on. But the fleet you collected was simply a number.

[PwnerifficOne]

If you thought the ending of Inception was controversial then you did not understand the ending. One of the editors actually has a 42 minute video in which he explains the ending, and there is only one "true" ending. Let me give you a hint, the Top does not matter.

[pr0digyZA]

@PwnerifficOne

Tried to find that video with the editor and couldn't find it. Can you link it as I would be very interested to see what they say.Its just odd that an editor would know more about inception than the writer/director as nolan has said this:

"Nolan adds that he tries to leave his movies open to interpretation. “There can’t be anything in the film that tells you one way or another because then the ambiguity at the end of the film would just be a mistake,” he says. “It would represent a failure of the film to communicate something. But it’s not a mistake. I put that cut there at the end, imposing an ambiguity from outside the film. That always felt the right ending to me."

[Grap]

i don't have anything against the ending but man the last mission was SH!T, i know i said this too much but i can't help it.. i wan't refund lool just joking

[Baka-akaB]

Idiots ? there idiots here are the media and blogger taking the "dont touch art " stance .

The current ending wasnt even some artistic decision and license . Only a last min ploy and scheme to nickel and dime for paid endings .

They wpnt be caving in when they release another ending ... just going with their plan

[Anon1974]

You guys do realize you're in the minority, right? There's hundreds of thousands out there right now who played the game and didn't have an issue, including the majority of critics who play games for a living.

Suck it up, ladies. If the game had a tonne of endings it would simply be watered down. Bioware ended their story. Just like other media. Games, art, books, movies, songs - you don't get to pick the ending any more than you get to select which color paints a painter uses. To feel you're entitled to anything else just shows a disconnect with reality. You're not. Play the damn game. If you don't like it, don't buy the next one.

[Pintheshadows]

Why do people keep comparing games to film and books?

Games are interactive. You have input. In Mass Effect you make choices that alter the story.

Choose your own adventure novels are fair game, but generally I interact with a book by turning its pages and press play on a remote to watch a film.

I love games so much because they are NOT like books and film. They are so much more. They can do so much more.

And yes, the people who are complaining are the minority. But, it's a very large minority that grows by the day. And it's always the minority that gets things changed because they are willing to voice their concerns.

I find it stupid that this supposed majority wouldn't go to Bioware with a petition to keep the game the same if they liked the ending so much.

Basically I think this whole situation is BS. I didn't want the ending changed and I realised early on this discussion had nothing to do with art.

I'm just happy we could all argue amongst ourselves and be called children and entitled when ,we were, for once standing up for ourselves, even if it was in a slightly obtuse fashion.

Hooray for unity within the gaming community.

[tigertron]

@ Darlride66

Just because those 'hundreds of thousands' haven't said anything does NOT mean they liked the ending.

Not everyone who plays video games goes on forums or gaming websites. I have friends who play Mass Effect and don't go on N4G or the Bioware social forums etc.

[tigertron]

@ Darkride66

Just because those 'hundreds of thousands' haven't said anything does NOT mean they liked the ending.

Not everyone who plays video games goes on forums or gaming websites. I have friends who play Mass Effect and don't go on N4G or the Bioware social forums etc.

EDIT: Sorry for double post - my browser messed up.

[SilentNegotiator]

As has been said,
"Just because those 'hundreds of thousands' haven't said anything does NOT mean they liked the ending"

BOTH sides of the debate are a "vocal minority" compared to the entirety of people in the middle of playing ME3 or spend zero time in forums. That's how it is with, oh say, 99% of entertainment.

"including the majority of critics who play games for a living"
-
After the eye-opening Jeff-Gamespot incident, there is NO excuse to blindly listen to reviewers on high budget games. To publishers, it's an obligation to give forgiving scores in exchange for early access and what-not. You're right, they do it for a LIVING. They have no reason to do anything BUT make publishers happy, because they have become fond of the ability to feed and house themselves.

[JaredH]

Yep the millions who bought it all finished the game too right and they go on gaming forums? Like really I love the game and I didn't see how the ending would be as bad as people said but it has fundamental plot holes and made me feel nothing close to closure for the trilogy. Almost everyone I see complaining about the people who dislike the ending have never finished the game and are loving it(like I was) or are not invested in the franchise at all and just watched a youtube video of it. Everyone else has their theories(like indoctrination).

Granted I don't want Bioware to change the ending and I'd just want them to explain how the plot holes make sense in their eyes. It's makes me more sad that new games in the series will most likely be prequels or take place during this trilogy.

[ziggurcat]

@ pintheshadows:

the "choices" you make in ME really only sends you along one of (obviously) three pre-determined paths. no one's story is *actually* unique.

and games are like books/film because they are all creative works. you have every right to not like how the book/film/game plays out, and you can offer any criticism you see fit, but you don't have any right to tell the author how their work should ultimately end (by "you" i mean generally speaking, not you personally) or throw a i'm-going-to-hold-my-breat h-until-you-do-what-i-want type of temper tantrum.

why didn't the majority create a petition to keep the ending the same? because they obviously don't care. they obviously possess enough logic/reason to understand that that's how bioware decided to end their trilogy (conspiracy theories aside) even if they may not have liked how it was done, and they obviously understand that they're the audience, not the author of the work.

[Baka-akaB]

I dont have an issue with the ending FYI (excuse i could use an epilogue for the team) and immensely enjoy the game . What amaze me are the bloggers and journalist coming out the woodwork just to have the opposite position as usual .

And pretending art was the reason for the way things are today . I just dont believe for a sec Bioware is just doing a dlc in reaction to the backlash . it was already in motion

[ShiftyLookingCow]

That Dog in that picture is deeply offended by the quality of this article. And it hates ME3 Ending.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

While I agree that some people are taking this thing WAY too far (starting a class action lawsuit?!?! come on), the ending did suck.

It basically took the whole purpose of the game(your decisions and how they affect outcomes) and made it meaningless. What was the point of even making the choices if the choices didn't even matter?

If you want a well thought out article that explains it very well, I highly recommend reading this article:

http://vgutopia.com/mass-ef...

The fact that some writer(s) is/are coming out and saying that the head writer didn't let any of the other writers have any input on the ending explains a lot. They do the whole series together and then don't collaborate on the end...it showed.

[FCOLitsjustagame]

"Then my blood boils, to the point that I lose sleep, dreaming about a world where everything goes to hell because companies bow down to the noisy, mouth-breathing Neanderthals who clog up forums because something forced them to think. Something forced them out of their happy little Hollywood bubble, and made them uncomfortable.

You mean their customers?
Yeah I hate when companies listen to their customers :-|

[ShiftyLookingCow]

God forbid the earth revolves around the sun. A black hole is more "exciting" and offers lots of choices.

[KillerPwned]

Is the ending to ME3 really that bad? I have not bought it yet and I am glad I haven't since all I ever hear is bad things. But I am sure to get it at some point.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

If your a big fan of the series and made big choices in ME1 and ME2. You will be pissed off at the ending. I wouldnt had cared if everybody died its the way Bioware did a very lazy ass job at the ending.

[TenSteps]

Most of the people complaining about the ending all agree that besides the last ten minutes the game was actually perfect for them.

[KillerPwned]

@Both of you

I am really into the series I made big choices, I have gone all the way. I will wait till I see a sale or it just goes down in price.

I just hope the overall experience along with the ending turns out at least decent.

[Mythicninja]

***SPOILERS***

the ending just didn't make sense. The explanation for the reapers is that synthetics created other synthetics to kill organics, so that organics wouldn't end up being killed by synthetics they created? Great, so we get exterminated by synthetics regardless. So why bother with reapers? POINTLESS!

[tigertron]

***SPOILERS***

I went with the full paragon destroy ending and got that little bit at the end after the credits with the old man and the kid.

What annoyed me most was whatever choice you made, the mass relays would be destroyed thus removing intergalactic space travel, therefore ruining the entire franchise.

Not only that, but why Joker was piloting the Normandy in space away from the battle was beyond me, also, I had Garrus and Ashley in my team right until the end...so how come they're suddenly on the Normandy with no injuries? its retarded ending with no logic. Mass Effect deserves a better ending. My perfect ending would be Shepard having a beach party with the surviving main cast set a few months after the incident when civilisation is rebuilding. Clichéd? yes, but we deserve a good ending.

I think the main issue is that whatever we did throughout the game didn't really mean anything. There was no cutscene at the end showing the condition of Earth or the fleet. Instead of answering our questions it just created more.

[ironcreed]

I am sorry that people are actually stupid enough to buy more of an ending that should have been fleshed out and included with the conclusion that we have been waiting for since 2007. But I am not about to apologize because people are disappointed that they did not get it. As we most certainly did not get it.

It's not entitlement either, it is just a matter of paying for something and not getting what should have been there. It's something that people have been waiting 5 years for, but we get get baited with DLC instead. Sure, some are going overboard and nerd raging it to hell and back, but at the core, the disappointment is far from being unfounded.

At any rate, I would rather see them just leave it the way it is, rather than try to make more profit off the controversy. Considering how it ended, I can't help but feel that this was the intent all along. Whatever, shitty ending and all, the series is done for me. Luckily, I only rented it from Gamefly, but the people who bought it have every right to be upset.

[TenSteps]

Yeah I think the entitlement line is thrown out there without looking at what these "entitled whiners" are doing.

It's not even entitlement anymore for them, the fact that that charity shows that they've more or less agreed that the ending in ME3 is what they got and that they're willing to shell out cash to change the ending.

Entitlement as an argument is flawed because the charity proves people are willing to pay for new endings, but are not willing to risk giving their money to the company that may have very well planned this from the beginning.

[AtomicGerbil]

I'll agree that some people are stepping over the line, but the disappointment with the ending is justified in my opinion. Personally I don't think it should be changed, maybe expanded, but that's really Bioware's rock to bare.

The problem I see with the ending is not the outcome, but rather the lack of discernible variety and relation to past decisions (which was claimed would occur). On top of that where is the spectacular showpiece that should end a trilogy such as this? Where's the epic battle involving all the rallied species? As far as I can see it just fizzled out and made you figure things out for yourself, whether this was intentional only Bioware knows, but it seems to of been a risky move that didn't pay off.

I never expected Shepard to survive, I just expected something bigger, especially when this was going to be the end of Shepard's story.

[Hicken]

This "gamers are entitled" crap needs to stop. Yes, we ARE entitled, because we pay lots of money for this stuff. The games, the systems, TVs. We spend a lot of money in this industry, and as the ones maintaining it, we are entitled to expect certain things, like not being milked, not being lied to, and so on.

[Squadron40Dive]

Wow another person who claims hes a journalist, FFS you wrote this article just to get hits on your site, you are a loser, maybe if you played ME1 you would know why ppl are so pissed wit the ending.

[NovusTerminus]

The ending to ME3 SUCKED, but Bioware should not use this ending for their own good. Not just for the gamers.

Now, Bioware has locked out any hope of a sequel in the Mass Effect Verse, it all has to be prequels, which are fairly limiting because you cannot retcon the first trilogy.

Bioware not only screwed the ending for the fans, but they screwed themselves out of furthering the universe they created.

[palaeomerus]

" Lazygamer.net's Garth Holden" is yet another irrelevant little nobody with a blog site that nobody reads seeking hits. Ignore him.

[Pintheshadows]

Whinging about people whinging about something they're entitled to whinge about is far, far worse. You're complaining about their opinions FFS.

Oh, and fyi, that's how you use the word 'entitled' in context. You'd think a 'journalist' would know that.

[VanillaBear]

It ticks me off that they call us idiots when were the ones who can see all the plotholes in the ending and why such things like the indoctrination theory and planning this from the start to make us pay for another ending.......I doubt an idiot would be so insightful

If anything, those who think the ending is total perfect and is a great end to this sort of franchise WITH the plotholes are the idiots.

[Pintheshadows]

I just think that these are the same people that would say "hey, it's my opinion", but are then calling others names for having an opinion that isn't theirs.

[Gamer-Z]

You can tell that the ending was not an artistic choice if it were Bioware would have stuck with the original ending that was leaked on to sites and youtube.

[yewles1]

I can't stand this anymore... the SAME media that likes to over-sensationalize are now belittling the byproduct of their own dirty work. They can't accept the fact that it's THEIR FAULT because they've been making people high strung with damning articles over pubs and devs for years. Now when people backlash against a company THEY like, "we're idiots"....

YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW!!!!

[helghast102]

Type 1 Biodrone
NO GUISE BIOWARE IS PERFEKT THEY NEVER DO ANYFING RONG BEST DEV EVER 12/10 GAME OF THE FOREVER

[adorie]

hahaha

[LAWSON72]

Yea we are idiots for wanting a good trilogy to end well what the hell is our problem

[Megaton]

Sorry that bloggers are idiots, gamers.

[PooEgg]

Currently the poll to have the ending changed has over 60,000 (91%) people asking for a change. No matter if you loved or hated the ending you would have to be a total moron to deny that BioWare screwed up.

I hope that all of us 'idiots' will remember this day, we will remember comments made by websites such as this one, and we will never click on one of their links for any reason.

Does honest game journalism even exist anymore? This whole ME3 thing has really made me wonder.

[Fuzrum]

Oh look. Another cheap shot at a vocal "minority," expressing their dissatisfaction with a product. And you're back to using the buzz word: entitled. You don't have to agree with us, but throwing out an inflamatory blanket insult (calling us idiots) is uncalled for. And it's unprofessional.

[smashcrashbash]

You do realize that calling us names is not really helping or very constructive, right?

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Is the author a people.?
Is Dr. deliberate deception taking care of his patients.?

[jalin28]

How are we not supposed to complain about that ending. You could hardly even call it that. Why should we kiss bioware's asses and bow down to them for their sad excuse of an ending. It's people like you that are the reason big companies can screw with loyal consumers. If we aren't vocal about our dissapointment and anger, games wont have endings anymore. We will have to buy dlc in order to find out what happens, that's ridiculous.

[WitWolfy]

Im tired of arguing to nay sayers about this... If they REALLY liked the ending so much, then why dont they just F*** IT then!?

One thing is for sure "Indoctrinated theory" or not... Bioware lost A LOT of fans thanks to this chump move! I for one will NEVER... EVER buy another BW product AGAIN! I hate when companies hype their games too death like they did here, just to pull carpet from right under us. Never giving the game justice like they claimed they would in the first place.

I APPLAUD YOU BIOWARE!!!

[teething]

Never buy another Bioware title again? Didn;t all the Bioware fans say that after they bought Dragon Age 2? I am sure you will say the same thing again after Mass Effect 4.

The funny thing is, isn;t the point of people like you speaking up against the ending a way to get Bioware to MAKE BETTER GAMES. Why give feedback if you never plan to buy another Bioware game again?

Stop being silly.

[bigcupofSTFU]

question, i have never played mass effect. should i start now? Of course i will buy them used

[MetalNCarnet]

Of course you should. IMO, the Mass Effect trilogy is the main defining highlight for this console generation. It has changed storytelling in games, and has you developing characters through gameplay interaction. Not just cut-scenes.

Bioware created a completely new universe rich with many stories to tell. Spin-off games are sure to be coming.

Yea, the ending to Mass Effect 3 left something to be desired. Left to many questions unanswered and pretty much lacked closure. Also, it made the entire story make no sense (*****SPOILER***** The Reapers (synthetics) exist to kill all organics before they reach a technical peek so they don't make synthetics that will kill the organics. WHAT?!?!*****END SPOILER*****).

If what Bioware says is true, they are going to add a few things (not change) to the ending to give a little more closure and flesh out a few unexplained events in the ending(s). I'm all for that and welcome it. All that will do is make the ending better and leave you with a smile on you face. Not a puzzled frowning look.

So in all, PLAY THEM AND LOVE THEM! They are all great games and everyone should play them.

[bigcupofSTFU]

double post stupid vita >:o

[Hooby]

You're an idiot if you think that ending was even remotely okay.

[SneeringImperialist]

We're entitled all right... entitled to our own fucking opinions!

[WitWolfy]

Couldn't of said it better myself!

[Captain_Freud]

"Sorry that this article contributes nothing to the dialogue outside of attracting hits for my blog."

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

I only clicked it because I love Boston Terriers. :)

[portugamer]

Guys, I think it wasn't a good idea to stop playing call of duty.
Your brain is used to the same moves, colors, buttons, the same strategy, spawn here,go there, zoom in, press fire, 1 kill, move aroud, bang, you're dead.restart.

While Playing mass effect 3, you have to use other parts of your brain, you have to use your memory, you have to make choices, like in real life. and you're not ready to do so.

For playing mass effect 3, first, you need to go out, and discover new places,that are completely different from your little blue bedroom. Attention, don't be surprised if you see people talking without the Xbox headset. and Yes, there are restaurants, outside. With real food. You may have a hard time trying to find the pizza you eat since you can walk. I agree with you, there's a lot of people,outside. Since The last time you dared seeing through the window, 500 million people were born.

Ok guys, I understand some of you are completely lost, and don't know what to do.
Whining isn't a solution. Offending isn't a solution. Asking for a free dlc isn't a solution.criticising bioware's work isn't a solution.asking for a refund isn't a solution. Posting shit on metacritics isn't a solution.

The only solution is: stop playing mass effect.now. if you are that stupid and can't understand what bioware have tried to do, well, do us a favour, sell your phokin mass effect 3 game, and return playing call of duty, with your little friends.

Bioware and us, fans, don't need you, and your comments. If there is 50000 people unsatisfied with the ending, please, sell the game, and disappear. Bioware don't need your money, and we dont need your tears.
You don't deserve to play mass effect. So please, return to call of duty, bye bye.

With the money you got from selling me3, you can buy another maps for cod, isn't that great? I've heard Activision is making a new graphic engine, for black ops 2.
It's normal. They made some billion $ thanks to cod, and your money, and since they respect you as a customer, like no other studio does, they will make a new engine.since you guys, still believe in santa Claus, everything is possible ;)

I can't wait to come here, to n4g, and see many new stories, that aren't related to mass effect.

Please bioware, don't lose your time making a dlc for these whining boyzz, instead, give us some great packs, with some new weapons, armors, etc.

Still reading?????
I said 'return play call of duty', and dont ever talk about mass effect. Ever.

[vikingland1]

I get what you are saying and I have to agree. I didn't see all the COD players whining about the endind in COD. But they whine about a game that is for most parts a masterpiece. ALL BECAUSE OF THE ENDING . I mean really? I agree the ending could have been better but, what about the 30-40 hrs before the end it was a blast.

[Mythicninja]

You am lurn tew english?

[portugamer]

Do you have a problem it my English?
English is my 4th language, you know that?

I know its not perfect , I know I can make some errors, from grammar to verbs , but at least, I dare coming to a 100% english forum, some posts take more than 30 minutes, because I'm on a phone. While I could go to many other forums, where writing would be easier, I still come here and have a good time, reading or writing comments. Many people would say 'what the fuck? Talking to americans? They know everything about everything.'

Well, thanks to kids like you, I realize not everybody knows everything.

I have a great time here, on n4g, is it a problem for your race, if I come here, post some comments, with my poor english?

Worst than fanboy comments, are the kind of comment you made.
For giving you an idea, imagine you post a comment, on non english forum, about holiday, and you get a comment like'sorry mate, you can't go to Cancun for the spring break, you're too ugly and your unit is only 2 inches long when up, you'd better stay in US.' Would you like it?

I won't report you comment as an offensive attack, nor I will disagree.I will let you grow a little, I see you still have a lot of basic things to learn.

Ok, mister "living dictionary", I need to go, I still need thousands of english classes, one day, i wish I will be able to write correctly the sentences like "when the sun is off, the beach gets empty".

Please, don't bother me with MPs, I have things to do in real life,that are much more important, like, for example, buying some toilet paper. Or should I say toilet tissue? Oh God, the English language is really hard :(

If you want, you can report my comment and vote bubble down.
If I get banned, I don't care. I will use my free hours, playing or talking to people that are older than you(that shouldn't be that hard to find), on many other forums. I'm sure a huge % of people here, including those who have powers, dream of a clean and pure as white forum, where foreigners don't come here, with their ugly english errors.brrrr, so ugly.

[aliengmr]

So Devs get praise for listening to fans but not Bioware's fans? I guess Executives and Investors are the only ones with any influence at all.

Such a sad day when fans are listened to. Let this be a lesson if you have an opinion about a videogame that you are fan of, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! If half-wit bloggers or IGN don't approve you have no right to say anything.

What really happened here was the same old thing. Fans made a stink and Bioware is considering. That's it. You don't agree? you weren't loud enough. BTW they knew the ending was going to have this effect, just didn't think this big. This has happened before and will happen again despite what dip-shit bloggers say.

Funny that gamers actually want to NOT have a voice after paying 60$. This is the real tragedy. How we shouldn't challenge devs to do the best job they can. Bioware didn't do the best they could. Fans called them on it.

They could have said "NO". But why?

Are they being held at gunpoint?

What is actually forcing them to do anything? The idea we won't be good little consumers?

One jackass filing with the FTC isn't going to force them. So what is it?

What is this mysterious force fans are using against poor defenseless Bioware? Money? hmmmm....

I'll stick with the fans being able to voice their opinion over bull shit bloggers.

[Kos-Mos]

Hate the majority.....welcome to the world.

[mistajeff]

That's right, the players are idiots because the end of a game doesn't make logical sense.

[honkyjesus]

People ARE idiots, and many of those are either writing for Bioware or Jessica Chobot.

[Marceles]

The only thing I have to say is...ok people hated the ending, but they had to enjoy the game enough to even get to the ending. It's like asking for a refund after eating all of your food at a restaurant.

[grahf]

Honestly, is anyone surprised after Dragon Age 2? Really? Horrific gameplay aside (wave after wave of baddies jumping from roofs?!?!?) the story was plain awful.
*SPOILER*
And Deus Ex Machina-ing Leliana into the story is utter bullcrap... "The Maker knew it wasn't my time" is quite possibly the biggest FUCK ALL to everyone who put hundreds of hours into Dragon Age Origins. Oh, you had to either PAY or PREORDER to get that little line, as it was in Sebastian's quest line.

I've said it before, I'll rent, borrow, or buy ME3 used just to finish off a story I've invested a lot of time into, but Bioware & EA aren't getting a dime from me. Not after DA2. Not after the way I was mistreated by your customer support staff. Not after Day 1 DLC. And I will be the judge for myself if sub-par writing and a rushed ending (and possible DLC for a "real" ending) are present.

[RoseSapphire]

This sets a terrible precedent for all forms of consumer media. First, gamers are going to complain whenever a game doesn't end the way they had hoped. Next, people will be contacting directors and authors to change books and movies to suit them.

I am sure Bioware had hoped people would enjoy the ending and they likely ended it how they felt it was appropriate for the story they had written and for the series they hope to continue.

[Dingodile]

After 5 years & playing every ME game 3 times , we saw only 3 colorful endings & we are idiots ...

[WitWolfy]

Ya didnt you know??? Your considered a "cry baby" if you didn't like the way ME 3 ended and voiced your opinions about it, even though we have every right to be angry seeing we fans were promised the moon, stars and everything to just get a gimped ending they promised us we wouldn't get...

[Awesome_Gamer]

We are not idiots.. The game is the worst one the series and the ending is laughable and we WONT stop complainging about that because of some dumb article

[GAMExxOVER]

Hell, if this is how it is going to be.... Then who will join me to force the producers of the "Sopranos" to shoot another ending?

And you guys realize its a video game right? not your real life journey? Did any of you enjoy the ride? are you just pissed about the end story?

Do you eat an entire dinner then ask for a full refund because you did not like the taste of that last bite? lol

[FlyShootRaceSims]

Last time I checked we the viewers did not interact and made choices in "Sopranos!"

[sly-Famous]

I think Lazygamer has it wrong, its not that the game is good or bad, its the fact that promises were made that was not delivered, that is what is upsetting gamers and the fact that an alternate ending will come as dlc and at a price. What is upsetting me is that there will be gamers dumb enough to buy it.

[Elite-uk]

LoL Whatever happened gaming for the fun of it...... so ME3 had a pants ending, get over it.

All this has come around because games are more like movies now,...... I've seen sum turd movies, but i never went and asked for my money back, lol.

Haha, Pac-man's ending is far worse than ME3's (Kill screens anyone?.) and it didn't shop that game from being fun or from even being considered a classic!.

[jsslifelike]

Finally- a blog article about this topic from someone who makes sense!

OK, I get the whole "stranded on Earth" thing. In hindsight, not too well thought out. But, how should that have went down? If Shepard was still in communication when attempting to make the Crucible fire, then he should have relayed a message to the fleet explaining the dire need to break off and warp home before making his choice. Hell, it took 5 minutes to hobble to either one of the three anyway! The Admiral says, "OK, Shepard- non- human races have cleared the relay" and bam! Make your choice. But, the "Indoctrination" theory makes that point moot.

What I don't get is that this ending supposedly sucks, but it was perfectly fine to bring the main character back from the dead, build him a new ship that mysteriously looks just like the old one(save for a Cerberus paint job), get all of his buddies onboard with a terrorist group PLUS fight a 100-story-tall T-600 Terminator?? If you can't suspend your disbelief for video games, you deserve to feel cheated out of your $60 and I'm glad that you do.

Plus, who the F*** are you to question some else's creative vision? Husqvarna ain't gonna add a suction conversion kit to give that leaf blower you purchased the ability to suck up debris just because you're crying about it. If you think THIS ending is bad, I'd love to see you follow 9 years of Seinfeld, then watch that one.

[ufo8mycat]

Ohhhhhh how close this game & trilogy came to be one of the greatest stories ever told for a video game. The ending ruined it all.

Congrats Bioware.......

Oh BTW Bioware, what were you guys smoking when you decided on the ending?

[NateCole]

Lol!. At the end i was like. Thats it?!. nearly 600hrs of gameplay time and thats it?. It was pretty funny. What would have been funnier if they just had a splash screen with "Thakyou for playing....until the next DLC!!".

So much for story and decision. Nice work Bioware lol!.

[THC CELL]

We should do what she did on misery he he he

[susanto1228]

@Witwolfy

because Bioware has a lot and I mean a lot of DLC invested in Mass Effect 3 with the game dropping in price plus with the number of returns that DLC is now looking worthless unless they do something....hence "changing the ending" anyways Mass Effect 3 sucks so who cares

[pbasson]

Anyone that calls a persons point of view an idiot is just as bad as, one thing that is the irony is that no reviewer or industry person has talked any sense or the story & how it lacks to the last game in many departments. So we are served with a cold dish & we should STFU. If we are entitled to one thing, that is a complete package that we can enjoy, not one that is taken a step back. Publishers are ruining all gaming for everyone.

[_LarZen_]

N E R D S ! !

[tigertron]

This picture will explain the ending. Sorry, but you can't defend the logic.

http://mass-effect-fan-club...

[MilkMan]

I'm sorry also. Gamers compliant about endings, to a story driven game, where writers sat down and come up with creative encounters and try to give you entertainment for your dollar and end a story arch that spans three games, meanwhile you pay 130+ YEARLY to Activision to run around a shot each other in the face and don't say a word.

Yeah...

I'm sorry also. You got your priorities f*cked up son!

[DeadSpaced]

This man is completely right.