Penny Arcade bitchslaps Epic's Mark Rein over UT3 mod support on PS3

Tycho lays down the reality of putting mods on the PS3 in response to an email from Mark Rein: "As Huckster General for Epic MegaGames, of course you have interpreted your products with the maximum charity. As a consumer, I've assessed them by a more robust standard. Be sure to send any other tidbits my way in the future, so that I may again separate wheat from chaff."

Or rather, how you can't put mods on the PS3 version of Unreal Tournament III, at least not yet.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

don't you b!tch about your RRoD or the frame rate issues of great exclsuive like Mass Effect.

Biased bullcrap. CAG is better. CAD while crap is better too.

[riqued]

They are right to complain that the tools are not released, but they talk sh*t when they say that 40Gb owner can't use mods later!

Somehow they "forgot" that usb is standard for all models.

[Omegasyde]

1) Voice Communications suck. You have to at default, press the right directional button to talk. I found this out from a friend who found this info in a forum. DO you realize you have to actually stop moving in order to talk? Atleast it is there right?

2) The back of the box states: " Add mods and maps created with the Unreal Engine 3 Toolset and use them on your PLAYSTATION 3 computer entertainment system." PS3 users got 4 maps, in which 2 of them actually freeze the console requiring the user to turn off and on the system via the switch in the back.

3) After playing Gears of war, I expected a rich experience coming from the single player campaign mode. Its sucks, and it disappoints. All the campaign is bot matches with the Narrator of the story tring to explain how a Capture the flag match is actually a mission to turn off power respawners from the enemy. Its even worse that the A.I. is not that smart and people get confused, thinking the opposite since the AI is just accurate.

4) No split screen whatsoever, despite only a EPIC developer in October stating that there would be local play (not Lan) and split screen CO-op. Google the topic if you do not believe me, there are about 10 links stating that a EPIC team member talking about this feature.

5)Gears of war has great single player with laggy multi, EPIC follows suit, with "craptacular" and half ass'd single player along with laggy servers. Not all the servers lag, depending on location however alot of people are FUBAR. I can only find 4 servers on average with a ping less than 100, and I have a 4mb transfer with my Cable company.

/RANT, the game doesn't deserve anything over a "8" score and was definitely rushed for the holidays.

[Kaneda]

If he creates game for Xbox 360... medias considere him god...

if he creates game for PS3... medias slap him like biatch...

[Real Gambler]

"1) Voice Communications suck. You have to at default, press the right directional button to talk. I found this out from a friend who found this info in a forum. DO you realize you have to actually stop moving in order to talk? Atleast it is there right?"
You can use the Play button to lock the talk. So voice is always open. No push button to talk.

"2) The back of the box states: " Add mods and maps created with the Unreal Engine 3 Toolset and use them on your PLAYSTATION 3 computer entertainment system." PS3 users got 4 maps, in which 2 of them actually freeze the console requiring the user to turn off and on the system via the switch in the back."
What the game was not long enough as it is??? I have finish the story mode (many hours of great fun, discovering the maps) and I'm still playing online. Not sure when I'll download the mods. What's the rush. Let them fix the bug first.

"3) After playing Gears of war, I expected a rich experience coming from the single player campaign mode. Its sucks, and it disappoints. All the campaign is bot matches with the Narrator of the story tring to explain how a Capture the flag match is actually a mission to turn off power respawners from the enemy. Its even worse that the A.I. is not that smart and people get confused, thinking the opposite since the AI is just accurate."
Well, I loved it. Love the fact I cool fool the AI by playing dead. Love the fact that the AI is not always aware of where you are. Sure it's not perfect, but the goal is to discover the game before you go online!

"4) No split screen whatsoever, despite only a EPIC developer in October stating that there would be local play (not Lan) and split screen CO-op. Google the topic if you do not believe me, there are about 10 links stating that a EPIC team member talking about this feature."
If Mark Rein would have said that, then sure, you would be right. He is the PR guy for Epic. Now if "A" guy made a mistake, it's the end of the world. Jeeez, from now on, they will likely lock all their employees until the game is finished!

"5)Gears of war has great single player with laggy multi, EPIC follows suit, with "craptacular" and half ass'd single player along with laggy servers. Not all the servers lag, depending on location however alot of people are FUBAR. I can only find 4 servers on average with a ping less than 100, and I have a 4mb transfer with my Cable company."

Well, I'm giving you this one... Somehow, the ping doesn't seem to mean much. I got a bit of lag on servers with really low ping, and got none on servers with horrible ping. Definitively something we will hear about until they fix it. I guess they didn't had enough beta testers to sort things out before release. I think it sold 70K in the US alone in the first week. Hard to get 70000 beta testers to rock those servers...

"/RANT, the game doesn't deserve anything over a "8" score and was definitely rushed for the holidays."
I least you still have Gears of Wars.

[dantesparda]

Wow, these guys really sound like they are b1tching over nothing. I wanna see if they will be or are this critical about a 360 subject

Update: Oh ok, if 5.1 Fanboi is right, then ok, that makes more sense, they are just acting stupid, its their schtick

[Omegasyde]

Real gambler,

The game was rushed. Flat out. The game is better than GeOW but then again so is halo 3. I do like the game but this is clearly not PS3 game of the year nor multiplayer game of the year.

The stigma surrounding the title ( to me) did not meet expectations like the previous Unreal Tournaments. In the end I just wish the game was delayed a month or so, for the game to be polished.

[ravinash]

But thats fine as a lot of people have now been able to enjoy playing this game over the Xmas break....not me however as I'm in the UK.
From what I hear, there are no problems with the basic game its self.
I hear that the voice thing can be set to on by holding down the talk button and then pressing the select button (or start or something like that).
The Mods will be fixed, so i don't know what all the fuss is about.

[Kleptic]

Omegasyde...rushed?...maybe... but it still delivers pretty more than any other console game in the multiplayer department...

and frequent the forms more...there is a confirmed open mic glitch by pressing the right directional button and then start to lock open mic support...while Epic has commented that the first client side patch will allow that to remain, or give a settings option to leave it open mic enitrely...Epic heard the complaints about push to talk...it is being addressed...

the lag?...the p2p servers have it at times (its usually their ISP, not yours...so you are right to not blame your own connection)...but there are also over 60 Midway official servers...of which I ping regularly at exactly 100...never had an ounce of lag in any of those, and they still support the custom character models (disabling that drastically improves performance for p2p servers)...the official servers have been going on and off lately due to maintanence, but 3 or 4 are always available without being full for the most part...and with dedicated high speed servers such as those...don't worry about the ping as much...they are usually extremely smooth even with pings upward of 300 for most (a static ping doesn't always reflect how fast of a connection you can establish with the server)...

the mod support dude...don't worry about...no worthwhile mods have yet been built anyway...it will be a few more months before the contests start...and that is when the support will be important...there are like 60 maps or something shipped with the game...if you have all of those memorized and are ready for more than I salute you...they will come soon...

and finally...anyone expecting a UT game to have an extremely compelling single player experience purchased the wrong game...I can already tell that you were not a big UT fan before this..."after Gears I expected..."...you expected what?...more Gears of War?...luckily UT is NOT Gears...its as fast and crazy as shooters get...the single player is only a hardener to get you ready for online...you play bots...its not a true on rails single player game in any sense...its a practice section for getting used to the speed...and nothing more...and UT3 has the biggest single player campaign of any UT game yet...

[HarryEtTubMan]

I've been playing UT3 for 4 days straight... it is such a good game that screams Uber PWNAGE..... the graphics in HD are really really good too!

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Can you download user created without Epic? Uh no! ahhh sh!t thats a bummer LOL.

[dantesparda]

And if thats a bummer Jay, then 360 owners must feel really bummed out by the fact that they cant do that on the 360 at all! And why aint you playing your 360? Troll!

[SRuN4]

Seriously.. have they made a game?

Until they do, they can stop talking for all I care, really dont care how popular they are with gamers. I didnt even know who they were until the whole Assassins Creed thing went down anyways.

[Omegasyde]

Does it matter?

1up/ign/gamespot/any other game reviewer sites don't make games but are in the business to evaluate the game and give criticisms. Just like movie critiques.

EPIC rushed the game out, and Mark Rein dropped the ball.

[gamesR4fun]

they didnt deliver on their promise at launch hopefully they will soon.
ps you can transfer files from an i pod or just about any mps player/camera etc without hacking lol I suspect most ps3 owners have something they can use

[Lumbo]

Whole lotta backpedaling and redefining of their own words there.

First they claim the PS3 version has no mod support at all, they did not say the PC versions editor lack it, they specifically called the PS3 version unfinished. Getting the reply that the PS3 version is already fully equipped with the support they now CHANGE their stance and claim they meant that the missing editor feature would nullify the PS3 UT3's mod features (which is BS to be frank)

So instead of coming clean and admitting that they flapped their mouth before they knew for real and more than 2nd hand information they biatch and change their "statement" to fit their agenda. I would expect something like this from a PR department, but not from a webcomic page.

Next blunder is the "memory stick" BS, they interpreted MR's statement about how to get the mod to the box as memory stick only, and completely forgot the USB ports and DiskDrive in the console. Sadly instead of correcting their error they now claim they again meant that it is the spire of evil to ask a customer to use ANY sort of tool to transport the mod to the System and it be only more evil on the 40GB unit... and additionally they failed to know that ipods support the data transfer system to work as an external usb stick if switched to the right mode, no hack needed there, neither some "linux" system, boy what have they been smoking over x-mas?

I really like the comics, and i generally love to read the comments and rants, but this was handled less than perfect by the PA guys. In fact they come across as whiny kids who throw a tantrum over being corrected.

[Bolts]

Rule number one about PA is they can never be wrong. They're not journalists, they're more of a graphic rant/blog site. Being right and credible isn't the focus, the goal is to entertain through absurd fanboyish and over the top reactions to everything. Any attempt to correct PA regardless of how reasonable and factually true, will result in massive flames or another brutal comic.

[Real Gambler]

Well, even bad publicity is still publicity.

[icechai]

seriously that rant about the "memory card" really pisses me off, and PA's forums are so annoying to navigate I can't find a thread about it to rant about their rant :P

[Armyless]

Low-brow humor at best. Any idiot can rant, just read the comics and they prove me right.

[Vertius]

I hate people that can't admit they're wrong.

What he essentially said was that the PS3 version couldn't use mods, and that you needed a "memory card" to move them. Both are half-truths, and Mark Rein pointed that out.

The tools should be out on the PC, I agree. But they're coming, and Epic are releasing some mods in the meanwhile. But complaining about having to move them from a PC is nonsense. Like anyone that has a PS3 doesn't have a memory stick of some form...

I hope Mark replies to this, too.

[Lumbo]

I hope he does not, it is just not worth his time, honestly.

[Ju]

For me as a PS3 user I really do not care who "cooks" those mods. All I can see is, that I could already download 4 mods from public download sites without paying. Done with it. I would hardly call that "non working". Works for me. I am a consumer, not a producer. So what. And - "hacking ipod" - that was pretty hilarious.

[Kleptic]

agreed...and the game isn't even released anywhere else yet on the PS3...its just a bunch of Americans complaining about the fact that the UE3ed doesn't have the PS3 support yet...because of final licensing requirements...

if Epic delayed the PS3 game in NA also, simply because of the editor...then it would be sites like this claiming "no one can get stuff out on time for the PS3"...or "Epic sucks and can't make deadlines"...I hate to dabble in conspiracy rants...but it is very apparent that Sony related issues are very often no win situations...and this IS a Sony related issue, because its SCE that requires the licensing for the editor also...not Epic...

[Nik]

You don't need to install linux on an ipod to use it as a usb drive. I thought PA guys are smart.

[Clinton514]

These clowns are battling out technicalities with actual videogame developers.. with words such as "I doubt".

What a circus.

[eagle21]

Epic and Mark Rein made one hell of a good game!!!

[ElfShotTheFood]

"They're not journalists, they're more of a graphic rant/blog site."

True, but there are still lots of people that take everything they say 100% seriously.

[Ashta]

Man, I don't know what Tycho's problem is with the UT3 mod support. Last time I checked the PC mod tools were updated (there was a downloadable update on fileplanet a week ago and one of the terms within the data said "fixes toolset to create PS3 compatible mods" or something to that effect) and I think the first user created mod was already released on to the net for download

Second: A USB memory drive is fully compatible with the PS3 and the PS3 mods can be saved upon that USB drive and transferred without having to do -anything- like what Tycho mentioned.

The -only- thing I can honestly say that I'm actually disappointed about was I was under the impression that the modkit would actually be accessible ON the PS3. Having to save us all the minor inconvenience of transferring files from system to system. STILL, that could actually be in the works so I wont complain too much.

Still, I got 4 Epic created mods and there is 1 user mod already hitting the net. I'm sure more will come on down the line and all it takes is a USB stick and the nice wonderful feature known as "PLUG AND PLAY"

[ps3FTW]

Oh so if it was on 360 it would be okay?

[Bebedora]

Sounds like a balanced and educated guy

[aiphanes]

All PS3s have USB ports...you can plug in a memory card reader to any of the PS3 USB ports. The PS3 is the most versitile gamming console on the planet..heck there might even be a way to hit a UT3 mod site and download directly to the PS3...somebody will figure it out...you can already do this with PS3 themes.

You can not even surf the web on the Xbox 360...at least not yet...

[AsILayDying]

an just enjoy the game if u dont like it take it back,an stop all the FANBOY bashing

[AsILayDying]

is the biggest let down of 2008

[AsILayDying]

hahahahahahahaha...

[ravinash]

Did the Hospital leave their front gate open again?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Ahhhh sniff sniff, lots of crying in this room. Tears are leeking into my socks, I may drown soon.

P.S. Make sure to stop by the VGcharts post and support VGC for the first time and then hate em again next week.

[aaquib5]

You Fuc&ing idiot. There are 4 perfectly working mods for me, and guess how much it cost me? FREE! Epic loves creating content for their games and guess what? They are an honest company and don't want to rip off their consumers every chance they get. But, wait you say, Epic is greedy and they charged for GeOW maps on 360? No you idiot, Epic went on record stating that they wanted to release them for free, but Microsoft forced to make it premium content. Microsoft is the only one who wants your money, as noted by the sh1tties hardware in any console, and the over priced XBL.

What the Fu8k are you going to say now? The maps don't work? They work perfectly for me and they are really high detailed, quality maps. Keep in mind that when the XBOX version releases, you aren't going to get a single map with mods unless Microsoft approves it, which they won't because they want MONEY! Hey, I'd rather have 4 maps than none, and I'd rather have UT3 than um...Orange Box. Oh no, that's on PS3. Um, Call of Duty 4. Oh, no, that's also on PS3. Umm...Halo 3? Yeah, that's it. I'd rather have UT3 than Halo 3.

So keep suck1ng Microsoft and pretending XBOX is the best, even though your console keeps breaking, even though you are getting ripped off on XBL, even though Microsoft publicly stated that they do not want free mods on the system, even though Epic stated that Microsoft forced them to charge for content, even though Halo 3 wasn't what it was hyped to be.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

No! ah bummer man, better luck next time :-)

I'm sorry I could hear that whole "pulling MS out of my mouth thing" you were to busy mumbling with Sony's in yours. :-) have a nice mod or lack there of day.

[Bazookajoe_83]

I bet mark rein is crying at home now, i mean this guys oppinion really is bit*hslaping him. I wonder if rein will even see it?

[THX7168]

Mark Rein: "One of our guys even used an iPod to transfer the files on to his PS3."

Penny Arcade Retard: "From his hacked iPod, you mean. Remember: if you want to use mods on your PS3, it's easy! Just install Linux on your music player."

What...a...f*cking...retard. Since when do you have to "hack" an iPod to use it as an external USB HDD? All you have to do is connect it to your PC (and even Mac), open iTunes, and then check the little box that says "Enable Disk Use." You don't even need to "install Linux" on the iPod. It does it right out of the box.

Seriously. F*cking retard.

[icechai]

Penny Arcade probably only has ever used the Ipod Touch or Iphone since you can't use them as externals yet, only the other ipods, way to jump on the Apple bandwagon Tycho.

[an_idiot]

This game does feel very rushed. GOW felt much more polished.

[Clinton514]

In CERTAIN areas. The campaign in Gears of War was extremely lackluster in my opinion as is the "campaign" in UT3.

Multiplayer wise UT3 takes the cake to me.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

you're kidding, right?

Glitches and bad framerate versus...perfection.

Yeah...what a downer...

Sarcasm!

[Lord Cheese]

i agree it feels somewhat rushed. I dont think they quite got the pacing right, the weapon balance is slightly off, the bots are very very easy to read (ok, they are only meant to be practice for multiplayer but a bit more effort would have been good) and the single player game seems just like an after-thought.

I actually prefer UT2004 on the pc - i dont think, despite looking great, that the new Unreal engine really does anything for the game - UT2004 had more character about it in my opinion.

I also think its a bit too fast - it feels artificially sped-up. Its playable, dont get me wrong, but it seems like every player in the game is an olympic sprinter whether they are carrying just a pistol, or several rocket launchers and huge amounts of extra armor.

Its not a bad game by any stretch, but it doesnt stand up to COD4 or Halo 3 multiplayer for me.

[Figboy]

that Tycho is still in denial about the fact that a games *CONSOLE and more specifically a console game that has a history on the PC, has functionality that PC users have enjoyed for *AGES. it's kind of one of the last bastions PC gamers held over console gamers.

at first it was, "well, the PC is *SOOO much better than the console, because it has better graphics. you can't run this game on the >insert console here<."

games like Bioshock, Orange Box, and Unreal Tournament 3 have shown that consoles are more than capable of running PC games, and at quite impressive specs (Unreal Tournament 3 on my 40" 720p LCD Samsung looks *AMAZING).

then it was "well, mouse and keyboard is far superior to control pads in every way"

now, there are games out there that support mouse and keyboard also, like Unreal Tournament 3.

then it was "well, PCs have hard drives, for caching and storing data."

now, consoles like the 360 and PS3 have hard drives built in; the PS3 *STANDARD across all SKUs.

consoles are, in essence, mini-PCs, and much more affordable. and it seems like PC gamers foolishly feel threatened by this.

i honestly think Tycho finds it sacrilegious that a games console, *ESPECIALLY the Playstation 3 (which they routinely rip to shreds barring a few exceptions like Eye of Judgment, Uncharted, and Ratchet and Clank), supports mods.

this has never been done before in console land, as far as i know. i own Unreal on the PS3. it's a lot of fun. in the two weeks since it's been released, i have downloaded 4 new maps, and a mutator. for *FREE. that is *AWESOME no matter how badly you want to spin it.

once the modding tools on the PC end are updated (which, you know, is the game that actually shipped *INCOMPLETE, *NOT the PS3 version), then PS3 owners will get to enjoy what the PC modders have been working on, and i mean, mods that they've patched and updated while we wait (you guys *DO know that mods go through quite a few iterations as the modders fix bugs and crashes), insuring that we'll have not only a bunch of mods and mutators to download once the tools are ready, but they'll be quite stable.

it's interesting, because i've been going to the Unreal forums, and the attitude towards us PS3 Unreal players is absolutely *AMAZING. they. *HATE. us. for some reason, they think that the fact that they're beloved Unreal has reached a wider audience (and judging by the dismal sales of the game on the PC, i don't see what they're complaining about), is somehow a knock against them, or Epic betraying them somehow. it's just as ridiculous as those PS3 owners that think Capcom has "betrayed" them by releasing DMC4 on the 360 (though i agree that cancelling the PS3 version of Monster Hunter 3 was absolute *BULLSH*T; make it multi-platform, just don't *CANCEL it, Capcom. sheesh. but i digress).

Unreal on the PS3 does the game justice, and anything to keep the franchise alive should be welcome.

if the PS3 version of Unreal Tournament 3 *DIDN'T support mods, we'd never hear the end of how "gimped" the PS3 version was, and how much more *SUPERIOR the PC version of the game is in comparison, because the PC version had *MODS. ooohh, wowwww.

but since the PS3 version of Unreal Tournament *DOES support mods, we get to hear about how flawed and incomplete it is, nevermind that something like this has never been attempted before at this scale. this goes beyond simple maps and mutators, but full conversions and game types, and significant altering of the game code for some ambitious modders.

they want to bring this to PS3 (and hopefully 360) owners, and all for *FREE to boot. i *EXPECT it to be buggy and imprecise, at least at the beginning. i would have been surprised, and maybe a bit skeptical, if there *WEREN'T any issues. they're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. it's ridiculous. gamers are spoiled, elitist children, no matter how old they are. it's absurd.

the game hasn't even been out 3 weeks, and yet people are trying to tear it down and spin it negatively.

i really enjoy Penny Arcade, and i understand their sentiment, but they are really off base here, and i think they're looking at it from a certain level of bias, judging by their past editorials and strips, and their views on the PS3, and console gaming in general.

[solidt12]

I haven't had any problems using mods. just install them one at a time and test them each before installing another because just like on any computer a mod can cause strange things to happen. If one acts strange all you have to do is delete it and your back to normal. if you are worried then don't use mods but it is worth it.

[Jedimaster1]

Figboy Wrote: "but since the PS3 version of Unreal Tournament *DOES support mods, we get to hear about how flawed and incomplete it is, nevermind that something like this has never been attempted before at this scale. this goes beyond simple maps and mutators, but full conversions and game types, and significant altering of the game code for some ambitious modders.

they want to bring this to PS3 (and hopefully 360) owners, and all for *FREE to boot. i *EXPECT it to be buggy and imprecise, at least at the beginning. i would have been surprised, and maybe a bit skeptical, if there *WEREN'T any issues. they're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. it's ridiculous. gamers are spoiled, elitist children, no matter how old they are. it's absurd."

Man I could not agree more! This is the very first time that a console game is truly open to user mods. How AMAZING is this??? But instead of embracing this new found freedom, the 'elitist children' complain like whiny babies about it. Sure it is going to have growing pains, but that is what new tech brings.

So stop whining PA and instead embrace freedom. You whine about the industry, but when something comes around that favors the user rather than the developer (i.e. free content), you cry. You know that most modding software comes after the game is released. The developers are always more focused on getting the game out on the market so that they can offset the millions they spent making it. Then afterwards they will often bring the means to mod.

Instead of whining, let's support Epic in this epic experiment: which is to bring consoles and pcs closer together than ever before. But hey, as long as there are fanboys, there will always be whiny babies trying to embrace an old vision.

Just my 2 pennies.

[antoinetm]

what a bunch of cry babies

stunning, they are working on it - stfu and go play another game in the meantime - its not like there are plenty of MODS out there, nor mutators or maps.

they apparently worked hard to release the game before Xmas and make it upgradable tru PSN.

[LinuxGuru]

How did this story get approved with "b!tchslaps" in the title?

A little unprofessional / inappropriate?

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Mark Rein just PWND NEWBS!!!

Those guys have NO IDEA what Mark Rein has to go through. Who the frick are they to talk?

[PimpHandHappy]

and its fun

but here is the thing

I love COD4 and Warhawk and both thos games are just so much better then Unreal i just cant pick it up right now

I do enjoy the game thou and its a nice arcade shooter. I will own Unreal for a long time so when they do get MODS and all that good stuff i will play it but till then

COD4 and Warhawk FTW

[jack who]

modz 4 teh win!!!!1 where is my modZ?

[Legion]

Ouch...!

[achira]

ut3 is the best game out there! and the mods are well made also! cant wait for the editor. xbots are jaleous again!

[Legion]

Not sure what jaleous means but XBox 360 owners are busy playing games and can safely bide their time until this summer when it comes to the XBox 360, with most of the bugs already fixed hopefully. And the mic thing will be the first fix if Epic is listening?

[jack who]

ut3 is the best game out there! = lolzrotfl and the mods are well made also = roflpancake

[zane_7849]

If by "b*tchslaps" you mean whines and acts like the worst kind of message board naysaying-better-than-you brat. Then yeah that pretty much sums up Penny Arcade.

[djroberts]

boohoo. They are a zealous hype machine. What makes them worse is they actually think their $h1t don't stink.

[Bordel_1900]

"Tycho lays down the reality of putting mods on the PS3 in response to an email from Mark Rein:"

ROFLMAO!

These guys are morons, what are they actually complaining about? Play the awesome UT3 on the PS3 and wait for the PC mod tools to be released. Every PS3 will be able to play the PS mods, every PS3 has USB.

What's their problem, maybe they just woke up with a big d!ck up their a$$ and were sore so they had to write some incoherent c*ap.

[Nik]

Based on previous articles with Epic struggling to make UEIII run properly on PS3, I'm pretty sure this title is rushed for holidays for course. They have done VERY WELL considering it looks good and runs like silk.

I don't mind getting UTIII early with less features, knowing they are gonna add what they've promised later. Epic has my respect, unlike other game companies who didn't care about the consumers once they've sold the product and made money. I support Epic.

Some 360 fanboys (not fans) are making a nuisance of themselves by saying saying things like PS3 screwed again etc. Did they not realise that once Epic has done what they've promised on the PS3, the 360 version is probably gonna be improved even further? Be it features or quality.

Give them more time. Titles with this quality in its first year are a God send.

[Bordel_1900]

"Based on previous articles with Epic struggling to make UEIII run properly on PS3, I'm pretty sure this title is rushed for holidays for course."

Well, they really are complaining about the Mod-tools not being available on the PC and the supposed difficulty of getting them on to the PS3. Haven't seen many complaints on the game itself except for the voice-thing.

The way Penny Arcade try to make a big deal out of this is just retarded. They b!tchslapped them selves.

I agree with you on everything else though.

[Nik]

The mod tools are what I consider as the features not included out of the box. Yep, they are making a big deal like you said and give no respect to Epic.

I've always thought PA has good taste in their humor and what they wrote against Epic killed it. They better make sure their PA game turns out to be good. Heh. It'll be funny if the CAD or other comic strips bash their game and gives them a taste of their bitter medicine.

[skinzfan]

All I ask when playing a game, is for it to entertain me. This has been the first unreal game that I have ever played and I did not think that it could pull me away from COD4. I give both games equal amounts of time now. They are both unique in their own way. I have downloaded all the new maps and my system has not crashed or restarted.

[Keowrath]

I imported the game last week and love it. It's Uunreal Tournament through and through. There's loads of maps and for me, the Warfare levels never get old. I was worried about how it would "feel" on console after playing all previous versions on PC but it made the jump to console perfectly.

So user created mods aren't possible yet? That's a shame but it will come and then the game will expand tenfold but theres more than enough in the game already for anyone who enjoys a good shooter.

Just mark anyone jumping on this thread and any other just to troll as Spam.

[Ju]

User created content is possible. If someone wants to have his/her mod on the PS3, just drop Epic a note and let them cook it for you until that said tool is publicly available.

[jlytle1234]

yeah penny arcade just made themselves look like d!ckheads. and usb thumbdrives are an acceptable way to transfer mods. as a matter of fact a usb thumbdrive will probably be more commonly used than a memory stick since usb is a standard feature on every computer and memory stick drives are not. and if you have a memory stick, the odds are its for your psp, which also can be used to transfer data to your ps3. no hacks required. and lay off the mods not working 100%. i cant think of a single pc game that didnt have home made mods crash it. mods are trial and error. and like someone said earlier, this is a first time for a console. so praise it for its originality and intrepidness.

[jackdoe]

Sigh. Penny Arcade has been extremely petty of late. First the squabble over the AC reviews and now this.

[TUFFnNYC]

Ok so when the 360 version comes out they better b*tch bout how MS made the 360 a limited network unlike the open network for the PS3. Therefore, the 360 will have a more difficult time having mods. There a bunch of losers i say.

[aegis1337]

I thought of all devs out there, that Epic would be one of the more inclined to level with the gamers. Epic has always been fair with their communities. Why now are they falling into this "release and disapear" attitude? So many online-centric titles are releasing only to have the forums and blogs rip their functionality a new ass... rightfully so. Warhawk was/is gimpy with its voice chat, clan support, stat system. The team addressed the most severe issues but did nothing in terms of bettering the existing interface. Even COD4 with all of Grade-A game play, clans are a joke, parties (with say 5 of your buddies) are akward to get rolling. Now UT3, with what could be the worst of all. Like a few of the above said instances Epic decided to "cook mods" and bring new content with out fixing F***in voice chat or incorporating clans, ect. The start of truly functional online experiences will begin when the publishers/developers start to take the word of us gamers as gold. We're the ones who know whats broken, what could be tweaked. I play UT and will continue to, as i have respect for epic as sick ass game devs but i got nadda for them as public relations.