Alan Wake may outstrip Crysis next year

Gameguru.in via pcgames.de

"Can the graphics of Alan wake set a new standard in gaming?
All fans of graphically impressive titles were indeed spoiled this year. But, what comes to Crysis, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Bioshock and Co after 2007, was that already the end of the flag bar, or will 2008 bring a whole new generation of gameplay, which will be bordering reality."

[Gamingisfornerds]

That said, I haven't seen the game running on a 360 so it's still anyones guess what this game will look like on it.

I only care for the 360 version (no PC gamer myself anymore), and I hope it will be as impressive on it as that early tech demo and the screenshots released. But I fear that they'll have to cut a few corners here and there to make it work on the 360.

Although, if I look at games like BIA:HH and Silent Hill 5, it might not be that far fetched at all. Here's for hoping.

I'm really digging the concept of this game, it's seems it like could turn out to be a real 'mature videogame' in terms of intelligent writing/script. I mean, how often do you come across a psychological thriller videogame concept like this?

Can't wait to (finally!!!) get some solid info and footage of this game!

[KidMakeshift]

They haven't been exploiting the games graphics like the Crysis developers.

I'm even more excited now. Lets just hope they don't push it back yet another year

[Kain81]

with a Quad Core and quadsli GPU and 4GB-ram.
What we have seen is not possible on 360, i would say they must downgrade something.
And crisis is a flop because the pc-requirements, and Alan awake will go the same way.

[KidMakeshift]

It'll probably be "Game of The Year" in 2 years when people can actually run it

[ps1h1ch]

@1.2

Remedy has stated several times on their forums that the game will be practicly identical for PC and Xbox.

[AdolfBinBush]

if Alan Wake outstrip's Crysis it wont be on 360, and if it comes we will see crysis ported to X360.

[ActionBastard]

I've seen nothing on Alan Wake that would even suggest it looks as good or better than Crysis. I'm not saying it isn't going to look great, but you think they'd be pimping that fact already. The screenshots and vids out now just don't make my jaw drop to the floor. That said, I'd still like to check it out.

[unlimited]

it looks like ill be getting this game on PC since i already can play crysis on my PC..The 360 wont be able to handle this game and be downgraded when they ported it.

[hamburgerhill]

Your comment is totally out of place and silly! We don't know if UT3 runs better on PS3 and regardless of the so called lag in GEOW we have yet to see how the 360 version of UT3 looks,runs, and plays! Alan Wake will be huge and I believe the 360 has a lot more power then what we've been led to believe! This game alone is one of my most anticipated games ever and I can't wait to see how far they've come along.

Edit: Tanod I really wish i could take you serious but it's obvious tnat you are saying whatever because someone has hurt you in a past thread with anti ps3 news! It's really ashame you come on here and spew nothing but childish nonsense and people actually listen to you! I try not to ignore anybody but you will be the 1st only because you seriously dont make any sense and come to these threads only to try and anger people and say things not smarter then a 5th grader! I'm looking forward to this game like i'm sure many others are so downplay and brag online all you want because Alan will sell many copies regardless of what ever it is your trying to say or do!

[mesh1]

HAHAHA TONOD NICE JOKE IF u think ut3 looks better than gears of war u must have drank a whole whiskey bottle before ur post also uncharted best looking gme HAHA assassins creed looks farrrrrrrrrrrrrrr better than uncharted and is on a much bigger scale with thousands of people walking around gears of war looks farrr better than uncharted but u ps3 fans can keep dreaming p,s ur link leads to gameradars front page btw nothing about uncharted there KIDDO u should already know that the 360 is more capable of complicated grapics engine+ game play than the ps3 this is proven just look at FAllout 3 .

[shmee]

Uncharted has the best WATER and graphics

http://www.gamesradar.com/u...

" We've never seen anything like it except for actual water and we want it like this in every game. Even games set in deserts."

Happy MESH

@MESH

you accidentally posted your comments as KARLTARG

what happened to ur other account Bllodmask and Power of Green

[karlostomy]

Hey Tanod.

You accidentally logged in and posted as schmee!

Whatever happened to Nazim? Will he make an appearance today?

Just use a different IP or proxy... that'll work hey buddy?

:P

[gaffyh]

It may look better on PC but never on the 360 (or PS3 if it was coming out), anyone who believes this is stupid. Crysis Maxes out graphics so much that 3 8800 Ultras in 3-way SLi can't even max out Crysis. Alan Wake and pretty much every other game looks nowhere near as good.

I can just about max out the settings of crysis on my PC (at a low resolution), it looks really really great except that it runs at 1 fps or something. :(

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

You know truth, the opposite lie? god you're worse than DJ. It's not all that hard bro, you can still be a fanboy, argue and love your console of choice with just useing truth. I do it so does Blademask, TheMart, Bloodmask, POG, Elite, MK and Maddens Raiders does it and he is a hardcore PS3 fan, hell even PimpHand uses the truth 50% of the time. Try it on somtime it's a good fit.

[sak500]

What did tanod/shmee said that got u guys up? Oh wait, i can't see their comments cuz i have them ignored. Suggest u guys do the same and save urself a brain cell.

[Statix]

Crytek said it themselves: The only reason Crysis can't be done on consoles is because of memory constraints, not CPU or GPU power. It's not a matter of "Crysis looks too good," it's that the levels are too big and require too much memory. Watch the Gamespot video interview.

The Crytek CEO is quoted as saying, "If you compare, per frame, we can achieve everything we want on all three platforms, the PC, the PS3, and the 360." http://www.eurogamer.net/tv...

Again, it's not just "how damn good Crysis looks," it's more of a technical matter of how much RAM the game needs to run. Bottom line is, I don't think Alan Wake looking as good or better, on a purely visual level, is far-fetched.

[The Dude]

@sak500

Careful shemme, nasism, TANOD or one of his fifty other accounts will disagree with you..... LOL

[Cartesian3D]

hope to see a game that runs on midrange pc s..

I played Gears of War lately at highest setting and above 30FPS on my laptop(8600Gt 256 GDDR3, 2.4 Core 2 duo and 2GB DDR2 ram) .. but cant run crysis in 30FPS even in high setting and lower resolution ...

anyway I believe in them .. and Im sure they will make an impressive game like before..

Good luck ..

[Snoozer282]

Annoyingly we havent really had any information about Alan wake for over a year. Its last official press release was back in 2006. (I wish that article had sorted out its translation better, i.e, word order, and not just copied and paste)

[Nicosia]

When we heard about a first party title being cancelled by ms remedy direcly let us know that they are not cancelled. So there keeping the game under wraps i guess.

[Bullseye]

time in the making and i have a feeling this will be a classic.Graphics to better crysis? Nah, get real.360 isn't capable of surpassing those graphics, but that doesn't mean it won't be besting the 360 graphics bar so far.Looking forward to this one.

[Horny]

Its only been two years for the 360 and 1 for the ps3, Im sure in the near future there will be tons of games that surpass Crysis visuals, Ps3 is already close with Uncharted, some aspects of it already look better. Im sure both console will have a lot better graphics in late 08 and 09.

[Lord_Mike]

I hope it looks great on XBOX 360 when its out. I mean it would be really nice to see how a console can really flex its muscles. Consoles>PC gaming (except in FPS)

[The Dark Knight]

ive always thought this

[hiptanaka]

we havent heard about it in, what was it, over a year and a half? if this ever happens to come out (probably in 2009 or 2010), it will probably have to be severely downgraded.

[THE TERMINATOR]

Not a chance, if the 360 cant do Halo 3 in true HD, Mass effect framerate problems and gliches how will this be different? Its still using standard dvds and no hard drive as standard. Keep dreaming xbots.

[TANOD]

if CRYSIS is not possible on next gen consoles then theres no way we could have ALAN WAKE which could beat Crysis since it is on X360 as well.

X360 is far less powerful than PS3 as well

[socomnick]

I thought the Xbox 360s Gpu was way way more powerful than the ps3's graphics card. Everyone knows the Xbox 360 is either identical if not more powerful than the ps3.

[The Dark Knight]

its not canceled, they confirmed it was still in development when that rumor of a MS game was canceled..

it doesnt need to be down graded what are you on about

[Gamingisfornerds]

Ignore this reply.

[Zhuk]

Alan Wake is only possible thanks to the true next generation power and features of the Xbox 360, this game will be nothing short of revolutionary thanks to the power the Xbox 360 gives to developers

[shrimpboat]

I am excited about this game but there is no way a 360 game will look as good as Crysis on the PC. The game will look above average for the 360 at best, and the story sounds very interesting.

[Impact]

that you make, is f**king retarded, and is about as in depth as a teenagers logic. Then again maybe you are.

there is no need for people to constantly spew biased comments and chant fanatically every chance they get over a brand name.

[Gamingisfornerds]

That's exactly why I just put him on my ignore list and I suggest you do the same.

People like him who have absolutely no sense of reality or just post here to troll are just not worth wasting your time on. So just put him on your ignore list and he'll never annoy you again. Simple.

[Mr Marbles]

People like you are far more annoying than him, you just hate to hear anyone say anything positive about the 360, if he was spouting all kinds of nonsense about how great the PS3 is, like so many idiots on this site do, you would have nothing to say. So why don't you just STFU and leave him alone.

[Gamingisfornerds]

Lol. Perhaps if you actually read the very first post here in this item you'd realise how much of an idiot you just made yourself look like.

I own a 360, just as I own a PS3. I like both and actually prefer my 360 atm sololy because of it's exclusives library. If you actually don't see what's wrong with Zhuk's posting behaviour here, you're just as bad, if not worse than him.

I don't deal with ignorant fanboys like yourself on this site, whether it be PS3 or 360 fanboys as there's no proper discussions to have had with you.

[Impact]

obviously you didn't read our F**king comments. because we both clearly implied and stated that biased comments are retarded.
we didn't support the ps3 as you claim nor did we bash the 360.
the fact is people running their mouths without any common sense about how great a brand is; is very lame. so lame in fact I'm having to debate and prove to you just how stupid your logic truly is.

[InMyOpinion]

The only retards in here are the ones that take Zhuk's comments seriously. I'm not going to remind you again that he's obviously being sarcastic, cause it might spoil the fun of seeing rabid PS3 fanboys attacking him lol!

[Mr Marbles]

I don't care what you own, and I did read the first post, and my point still stands, I don't see you going off on all the PS3 clowns on this site that constantly spew delusional PS3 propaganda so you shouldn't single out him. Your first post just made you sound like an undercover 360 hater anyway, you have no basis to support the claim you made, they may not need to cut any corners at all, according to them they do not plan to, so do I believe you or the developer, I think you know who Im going to believe.

[Eamon]

I dunno why, but his comments always crack me up. Him trying to impersonate a M$ spokesman is hilarious.

+1 bubble from me.

[chrno6]

lol @ Mr Marbles..just like how you are a undercover ps3 hater right? you ignored Zhuk's troll like behavior and instead argued with the one who insulted Zhuk. In your posts I don't see u going after 360 clowns either..what a hypocrate.

[Impact]

this game looks awesome and I can't wait to play it.

[Mr Marbles]

IS capable of far more than most give it credit for. It was proven long ago by unbiased studies that the 360 is superior in the graphix department, and PS3 is superior in activity on screen.

There is no reason to belive that given enough time and money to learn how to utilize all the CPU cores in one game, that the 360 can produce a game that is superior looking to the overhyped Crysis.

Keep in mind no game has yet used the cores the way Alan Wake is said to do.

[Impact]

That this game isn't coming out for the ps3 why even mention it?

If you going to compare the xbox360 and "Alan Wake" to anything you should compare it to the PC. since they will be the only two platforms that this game will be supporting.

I wouldn't consider Crysis over hyped it delivers on everything it said it would and then some. It also added some innovation to the FPS genre. that doesn't mean that it is without flaws either, the requirements are way steep, too steep in matter of fact.

I Enjoy how you call it over hyped and probably have yet to play it through. I would even go out on a limb and say you probably think "Halo" is a decent FPS when it is sub-par at best

[TANOD]

UNCHARTED makes any game on X360 look like a wii game.

graphics on x360

this is why GEARS on X360 is grey without colours and UT3 runs at 30 fps on PS3 and looks miless better than Gears

HALO 3 ran at 640p on X360 despite being a cartoon game

[mesh1]

played uncharted and it does not come close to looking as good as assassins creed +gears of war but tonad can only dream that colors with crap character model+average environmental textures can be consider as amazing haha what a joke don't even compare a weak looking game like e uncharted to games that push graphicall excellence like gears of war /assassins/bioshock etc cause it does not uncharted looks like plastic

[shmee]

u are a fu***** XBOT. you never had a PS3 and you never had Uncharted.

Uncharted looks wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than ASS CREED -- agame that 4/5/6 from most websites

http://www.gamesradar.com/u...

We've never seen anything like it except for actual water and we want it like this in every game. Even games set in deserts.

SHUT UP XTARD

You never played Uncharted or ps3...You played that BREAKBOX G360

[Mwaan]

Anyone who can read specs will tell you that the 360 and the PS3 are on the same level. Games designed from the ground up for either system can be ported to the other without any problems. I don't expect the Alan Wake port to look any different than any other PC to 360 port. As far as the Uncharted thing goes, it doesn't look any different than anything else with amazing graphics. I can't believe these guys are bragging about water effects. Stop and really think about that for a second guys.

[TheZippo]

I too think that Assassins Creed looks better than Uncharted (atleast where you play as Altair, the Lab parts do not look as good) I also think that Heavenly Sword looks better than Uncharted. Uncharted has brought nothing new graphically or gameplay wise. And I'm not saying that it looks awful, it's great looking but it's nothing I haven't seen before on Xbox or the PS3.

Sorry guys, but I think both machines are capable of the same graphics and each have their own pros and cons.

[harv052]

@ 11.5 & 11.6

Finally, some f*cking sense in here....Bubbles...

[led1090]

ok am sick of the crysis is a flop crap we only have the us numbers and it has been proven many times that pc games sell much better in europe than in the us.....now bout the graphics...actually its not bout the graphics of crysis its bout the number of things taking place on the screen the game loads an entire island not just a portion of it like oblivion and that is what the 360 cant handle......and in that sense alan wake will never match crysis....it may have better textures and better effects but it will never be able to render a living breathing world like crysis....

[Zhuk]

Crysis is only a flop without the moneymaking potential of an Xbox 360 port, which is now inevitable

[TANOD]

However in 2008 NA will be gone as well

[led1090]

u cannot say crysis is a flop just by looking at the us numbers europe is the major pc market and even after a month its still the 2nd best selling pc game worldwide and EA has already said that crysis and rock band are some of its recent success stories

[FPS nut]

You do know that the 360 out paces the PS3 in console sales and destroy's the PS3 in game sales don't you? Or are you still adding Asia, Australia, Africa and the Middle East as part of Europe? Good god TANOD, I'm a PS3 owner and even I can see the truth when it's in front of me. Sure the PS3 does well in Japan and many parts of Europe but it's not doing well in all of Europe and Aisa and it kills the PS3 in NA. You know NA (Canada, Mexico and the US), that place that make up allmost 60% of the console market and almost 70% of the games maret?

Ah nevermind, it's like trying to talk to a rock on the ground.

[Impact]

but Crysis if pretty popular and successful on the PC market.

Given the fact that a very high end PC at the moment has some issues running this game at max settings I don't see there being any way that it would run on the 360 as just a port. Perhaps if they cut some things or maybe redesigned it to run on 360 it might work (thats being generous thinking) but other then that a simple port over would be out of the question in my opinion.

[InMyOpinion]

Yeah, lots of PC gamers DOWNLOADING it for FREE lol!

[sak500]

I bought crysis 1 month back and haven't even installed it. I'm so much into cod4 on 360 right now.

[X_GAMER_X]

"I'll confirm that Alan Wake is Vista and 360 exclusive. I know some people have reacted strongly to that, but for us this was one of the key decisions that will allow us to create the best possible game.

We've locked this down a while ago, and being able to focus on fewer platforms means that the game is going to kick more ass than ever before. By going with Vista, we don't have to compromise everything to the lowest common PC denominator and since we're not doing a PS3 version we can go all out with PC and 360 multithreading, HDR rendering etc. This focus benefits the tech and game design immensely.

We're really sorry if some end up missing the game because of our platform choice, but in the end of the day we *must* base our decisions on what will let us create the best possible game. That's just how Remedy as a team works: we're passionate about creating something unique. Alan Wake is still our IP and we drive the creative control, but working with Microsoft gives us unprecedented levels of development support, testing resources and so on.

But... as they say, the proof is in the pudding. You guys are going to be the best judges on whether the calls we've made have been the right ones. We haven't really shown anything on what we've been up to in the past year. Once we do, it'll be up to you to see whether our work has been worthwhile."

The 360 only has 3 cores but according to mixuk from Remedy it shouldn't matter.

"Having several cores helps, but is not required, since you can run several processes on one thread. In the current plans the PC and 360 versions will be pretty identical.

Also, we stream necessary data to memory when needed, the whole world will not be loaded into memory constantly. It's the same idea that was already in GTA3 for PS2, remember, it only had 32mb."

Alan Wake is expected to run at at least 30 frames per second on the Xbox 360.

Now I think we should wait and see rather then hearing these fanboys that got nothing to do in 360 section.. Jealousy?

[The_Engineer]

for now but in a couple of years that 512mb of ram that each one has will start catching up with it, which one can do more with less will be the deciding factor.

[led1090]

only vista??!!!!=====epic fail

[vloeistof]

just like xbots are always in the ps3 section

[mistertwoturbo]

so if a super high end pc cant even barely run crysis. what the hell makes people think a 360 can run something "better" than crysis?" maybe at 540p resolution.

[Azures]

Thats what people just aren't getting. Crysis still cannot be fully maxed on consumer machines. The PC and 360 versions may be identical in gameplay, but their is no way they will be identical in graphical ability. Hell I doubt they'll even get as good as Crysis to be quite honest.

The 360 does NOT have the same graphical processing power as a geforce 9 series triple or quad SLI setup w/ over 786mb of ram on each card. Its just not possible. Thinking otherwise just makes you a jackass fanboy.

[Bolts]

This game is laaaate! We're talking epic lateness for a console game. The lack of news and info regarding this tittle is a big concern.

[Genki]

People foam at the mouth whenever Killzone 2 shows an OLD screenshot for goodness sake. AW is in the same boat. The buzz will keep it alive until they decide to pick up on advertisement, which I imagine will be around 4 months or so before release.

[THE_JUDGE]

into some site I've never heard of to get positive 360 news? Thats not typical these days. As for the game itself, doubtful. Highly. I have seen screen shots and I hate to break it to you, KZ2 owns in the graphics department. They have to improve though.

[felidae]

the 360 can't set the next standard in graphics ...

[KidMakeshift]

The Dreamcast 2 is going to blow your mind

[pornflakes]

Stop talking crap... console is not PC.. so dont compare quad SLI crap to a console GPU,... thats like 4 GB PC ram compared to 512 MB console RAM.

And stop talking about KZ2 which looks like COD4 so far. PS3tards can only speak about graphics, lol, what a bout AI?

Uncharted = stupid AI
RfoaM = lol
KZ2 right now = dumb like hell
GT5P = easy mode

[Azures]

Thats why I didn't even add a PC's normal ram, I just mentioned the card's own GPU memory.

Why am I even arguing with you? Your obviously just an anonymous xbot.

[SRuN4]

dont compare wake to crysis in terms of graphical quality. funny they are saying wake will have better graphics.. when was the last time we saw the game? oh yeah that's right.. has anyone even seen the game in motion and not in trailer form?

[KidMakeshift]

If only the Phantom came out. I still like the idea but thing's like Steam and Gametap kind of defeat the purpose

[JCDenton]

Xbox 360 is more than capable of running Alan Wake. Yes, tech demo was showcased on quad-core CPU, but Xbox 360 has Triple-core-dual-thread CPU. This means that X360 CPU actually has 6 logical cores which are clocked at 3.2GHZ so it can do a six-thread problem. Tell me how many games are written for more than 2 cores (excluding Crysis)?

Xbox 360 reportedly runs a second-order derivative of Windows 2000 that has been ported to the custom triple-core IBM PowerPC processor, and it takes up much smaller amount of RAM memory (original XBOX OS, stripped down Windows 2000, used about 512KB od RAM), so memory is not a big problem here.

So, IMO, Xbox 360 can run Alan Wake with no problems.

[Azures]

Where is the graphical processing ability? The pure power is just not there. If the 360 is so capable of running high end graphics like that, why doesn't Crysis have a 360 port? It would have reached a much larger audience but they didn't do it....why?

I wanna hear the answer from you.

[Genki]

multiple threads /= multiple cores...remember that the workload in that dual-threaded core is still being handled by a SINGLE CORE. If that logic held weight, we probably wouldn't have seen quad cores just yet.

[JCDenton]

And you tell me why there isn't a PS3 port of Crysis? :|

Anyway, you can't compare console programming and PC programming. When you write a program for a console, you know that every console has same hardware, so you know what you're working with. You can have literally thousands of software/hardware combinations with PC technology so you can't do such good optimizations on a PC as you can do on consoles.

I'll give you an example with emulator programming: If you write your code in assembler, you can get it to work much faster than if you write it in C++ (less overhead). But, it's harder to write in assembler, and when you write your code in it, it can run just on YOUR hardware. If you change your CPU for example, it won't run anymore.

EDIT:

@Genki:

I added a comment instead of editing this one, so the answer to you is down ahead. :)

[Azures]

Don't make this about the PS3. This game is for PC and 360 and is claiming better graphics then Crysis. We've heard just a little more about this game than we have about Bioware's MMO, and they haven't even officially announced that yet!

[Rock Bottom]

hahahahahhaaaaa.............

yeah right, better than crysis graphic, I laughed so F-ing hard.

[nomad117]

I guess there so many people in this post because it's a slow news day or week? so alan wake can't wait to see this one unroll ^_^

[Bill]

Alan Wake will truely show the 360 has already peaked in terms of graphics. The 360 has "now gen" graphics while the PS3 is the only gaming machine that can achieve "next gen" graphics and gameplay. The best games the 360 will offer will be FPS, and Alan Wake is no FPS, so its success will be minimal.

[unlimited]

I feel the same way..The 360 cant reach the graphics the PS3 will be giving next year to games. If they tried to the 360 will use so much power that many 360 will die..

[titntin]

We've not seen anything to suggest this is going to be anything special so far. A game's developer is supposed to ethuse about the potential of the product, thats the job!

I sincerley hope its every bit as good as this rather lame article tries to suggest! I'm certain I'll pick up the 360 version of it and I want it to be great!:)
But so far, theres nothing to see, other than some year old screen shots that are simply not impressive. I'm not buying into the hype before theres even a recent screen to give it soem kind of validity!

[JCDenton]

@Genki:

You can't see any (or very little) benefit from quad-core processor when you just play games. Dual-core is more than enough for this. Only apps which see DRASTIC performance boost from quad-core is rendering programs (3D studio) and/or video editing or sound editing. Games are generally not written for multiple cores just yet. Because todays programming languages are pretty much sequential, and it's hard to extract parallelism with them...

[titntin]

Amusing how you got a disagree, when you were just stating an easily provable fact! At least, its certianly true when talking about PC architectures.
One of the issues in untapping the power of a cell processor, is its multi core philosophy, and the fact some development houses have had trouble using this, is a fine example of the technical issues that can arise trying to make full use of a multi core architecture.

[JCDenton]

Yes, you're right. Problem with PS3 is, ironically, in it's parallel processing abilities. If you don't use SPUs, Cell acts just like regular single-core-dual-thread CPU. BUT, if you try harder :) and use SPUs, you can do much more with it (because SPUs can be programmed separately, and you can assign one SPU for graphics, one for audio, on for AI, one for physics...), and take off some workload from PPU and/or GPU. Only thing is, maybe it was too early to introduce that kind of technology. Game development is very large business, and developers can't afford too much time for a development of a single game (more time = more money needed)...

[Genki]

I thought you were implying that threads literally equate to cores, but you're obviously more well-versed in the area than I am :)

[ThaGeNeCySt]

I'm more so intrigued about the game's storyline rather than it's graphics.. if they can make the graphics as good as Crysis.. then so be it... if not, I'll still enjoy it much like i've been enjoying games that don't look as good (or come close) to Crysis.

[Silver Bull3t]

... the hype train.

Said it before, I'll say it again....

Pop-in, texture loading, and crap NPC draw distance. Count on it.
It'll look fantastic, but play like garbage.

[IceVenti]

damn...why are these games following the ps3 formula? LAIR? KILLZONE2? looks great yea...but plays like garbage, garbage controls, retarded AI...scratch that, kz2 doesnt even have any ai... these companies need to stop copying the ps3 and come up with something new. jeez. people just arent original anymore

[unlimited]

Killzone 2 isn't even out yet so you cant say anything about the game. It have a big chance of being AAA game.. Killzone 1 is a decent game and have its problem but Killzone Liberation for the PSP scored a 9.. If you want to talk about garbage with the same gameplay and graphics take a look at halo 3..

Here the review of Killzone Liberation
http://psp.ign.com/objects/...

[IceVenti]

stop with the killzone liberation crap already, i seen that way too many times. its not a fps, its a handheld game, and the last 2 console shooters guerrilla made were flops. what makes this one better? graphics? again refer to lair.

and halo3? i actually agree with you on that one. F**K halo3. i dont give 2 sh!ts about that game. halo 3 is at the bottom of my 360 list. id rather go play cod4, bioshock or rainbow6vegas. hell ill even dust off gears of war

[Silver Bull3t]

(@28.1)
Maybe I'd be insulted, If I owned a PS3 LOL!!!

I've been a 360 owner since launch. And I just got back my 1st rrod replacement for Christmas (yay?)....

I just don't see them pulling off these huge outdoor environments without the issues I mentioned. Both the PS3 and the 360 just don't have enough memory to render huge detailed scenes to impressive distance and keep things (like AI and physics) from being dumbed down to compensate.

I hope I'm wrong, maybe they've designed an uber optimized engine that can pull this off without a hitch. To me that's no pop-in or texture loading issues, a STABLE 30 frames/sec. (or greater), AND a nice long draw distance, ESPECIALLY in an (primarily) outdoor game.

Given the trend in games anymore, I'll unfortunately have to stick by my prediction.. It'll look great but play like garbage.

We'll have to wait for actual gameplay footage to be sure, so I'll maintain a glimmer of hope until then.

[sleepbox]

My most anticipated game of 08, easy.

[PimpHandHappy]

because the 360 will need a good game in 08 with most if not all Multi-Platform games using the PS3 as the lead system

the 360 is like the linebacker keeping up with a wideout(PS3) for the first 5 steps but after the wideout hits the second gear he blows away said LB.

Consider this

The 360 cant match Uncharted in look
The 360 cant match Warhawk in terms of lag free online madness

In 2008 the PS3 will take over in WW sales by a large margin

hey maybe Allen Wake will look better then Uncharted but like all you 360 gagboys like to say

enjoy the wait because thats what your going to do with Allen Wake and Huxley

[TunakTunakTun]

The 3shitty version wont even look better than uncharted cause 3shitty cant handle that kind of graphics that only use 30% of the PS3s power.
Uncharted looks better than crysis already.
Gears of War maxed the 3shitty, thats the best you bots will ever get.
Now on to Warhawk (pwns halo 3 online)...

[Meus Renaissance]

Can we see a gameplay trailer to compare? Because its all good to just say "this will look better" when you've no evidence to suggest that. The game looks fantastic, no doubt about it, but to say it'll be the best looking game of 2008 - especially with the competition out then, that's a very confident statement.

[zonetrooper5]

Firsty TunakTunakTun, Warkhawk and Halo 3 are very different games so you can't compare. Second, your not a dev so you don't know the amount of power that a game uses on either console. Last, Crysis is better looking then Uncharted and its bigger, non-linear for the most part and bigger on the whole. Stilll Uncharted is a good looking game which I'm going to get for my PS3. Have fun being a 5 year old fanboy thinking he is funny. I love owning a gaming PC, 360 and PS3 and I will be playing some of the best games to come out soon.

MGS4
Uncharted
Killzone 2
Killzone: Liberation
Mass Effect
Halo 3
BK3
Fable 2
Alan Wake

[DJ]

considering Crysis needs a tri-SLI GPU and quad-core CPU setup to run at optimal settings. I'm sure it'll be a good game, but the graphics so far haven't exactly wowed me.

[moses]

The wow factor in crysis is supposed to come from the scale and size of things. You're rendering this huge island with interactive foliage, and break points anywhere on a tree/leaves, and totally destructible buildings.

[mesh1]

ill be there to laugh whne games liek too human/alanwake/ng2/fallout 3 leave ps3 games for 2008 wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind in terms of quality like it has always does

[shmee]

and this is why UT3 kills Gears in terms of graphics.

This is why x360 has 0 1080p NATIVE games

This is why x360 cant run washed out GEARS at even 30fps without MAJOR SCREEN TEARING AND LAGS

lol

TOO HUMAN -------thats liliput human with craptastic graphics more or less

This is why PS3 has already surpassed x360 in terms of graphics

[TheZippo]

Do you really want to bring up screen tearing? Have you not played Heavenly Sword, Ninja Gaiden Sigma or Uncharted? Last time I checked those were all PS3 games. I've played them as I'm sure you have too and guess what... they too had screen tearing.

Since we are nit picking here what's with the ridiculous load times whenever I first put in a new game on the PS3?

[Grown Folks Talk]

Looks like Kameo with a more realistic character style. Bright & glossy. Doesn't look bad, but it's not that damn great. The best looking stuff on both consoles is the stuff that's pasted. The background in Graw 2 & Motorstorm & stuff like that. The character models are decent, but not spectacular, & the vehicles in Motorstorm are glossy & cartoony. This battle between the 2 will end up just like always. Some 360 games will look better than PS3, some PS3 games will look better than 360, & some games for both will look like hot garbage. & also as before, it will depend on the developers resources & manpower.

[LinuxGuru]

this is a joke.

maybe on pc it MIGHT raise the bar, but as far as the 360 goes....sorry, pal.

ain't happenin'.

You all know they only showed this game running on an intel core2quad pc with 4gb of ram, right?

I DARE the developers to crunch that down to 1/8th the size of ram and one less processor and get the same results.

lol!

[IQUITN4G]

Your comment is a little angry sounding which is nothing to be proud of.

Truth is 360 games are selling well and devs are very much on board.Quite a bumbling error on Sony's part letting 360 gather this sort of momentum.

I think PS3 has more power under it's bonnet but most people outside the internet don't have the first clue about any technical difference.Xbox was far superior to PS2 in tech terms but this wasn't something of a consideration frankly when people chose PS2 - it's about games.The difference in power is less so this gen and much harder to spot as well.

[PimpHandHappy]

can i ask you something my friend

Do you think the 2nd year of 360 games was better then its 1st?

IMO they had some real good games in its 2nd year. If you compare launch titles to 2nd and 3rd year games you can see where the PS3 ends up

peace

[IQUITN4G]

Yeah this is it i guess.Games should in theory end up looking pretty marvelous on PS3 if there really is all this untapped power - that looks likely as well.

Iv'e been quite underwhelmed so far by next gen graphics and that includes the likes of Gears as an example.Graphics are becoming less of an issue for me these days anyway because games themselves are not advancing in the same way.

Got my 360 purely for Halo3 and the game is an absolute joy to play over and over so i'm happy.

As PS3 gets better and better , so too will the 360 see a slighly less impressive leap in advance.I don't think people will be able to see any dramatic difference like how it was they were also unable to see the PS2 xbox difference.

The Unreal engine is part of the trouble i think with 360 games - i want to see huge draw distance this engine seems to prevent this.

Roll on next gen

[Bullseye]

C'mon guys, enough already.Look, i really don't mind reading lots of posts from clueless individuals, that's ok. In fact, sometimes its very funny and i NEVER ignore ANYONE, regardless of their comments. There's always something to be gained from even the most ignorant of comments. However,i trust most posters have at least a basic education and that's why i'm flummoxed.How does any rational person take a games console be it PS3 or xbox360 and somehow magically (in their own mind at least)transform it in to some kind of high end PC ? Obviously you have no idea of electronics or more specifically micro-electronics, or even how they work.I know its the festive season and all and i don't want to shatter any illusions,but here goes. The xbox360 and PS3 do NOT come from Santa's workshop and are therefore, NOT made by elves and pixies that imbued into them wondrous power.They are not powered by happy thoughts and don't come alive when you are snugly tucked up in bed! They, the 360 and PS3, are in reality medium powered games consoles with very little RAM to boot.Sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings, but there comes a time when we all have to grow up.I'm sure you will enjoy your games much more if you add a sense of reality to your expectations.To all those who still don't get it, i have a suggestion. Label a quart pot 'high end pc' now label a pint pot '360 or PS3' Fill the quart pot with water, now carefully and slowly, so as not to spill, pour the quart pot contents into the pint part.Remember? Thats the one labeled '360 or PS3' watch what happens. Yes! that's right,now do you see? Don't make me have to write this out again! :)

[name]

The Article is from a PC gamer site and yet this is only listed for xbox 360? As a PC gamer myself I'm sick of 360 owners claiming all of our games as exclusives. It's one thing to claim it as a console exclusive which is fine, but acting as if our version doesn't exist pisses me off. Especially since the game will obviously be better on PC.

[Funky Town_TX]

When the Pc version pushes 300k copies and the 360 version pushes 2 million copies what will dev start the think. The PC gamers spends 2k on a rig that will be out dated in 5 months and will only show a small difference from the console counterpart. Power power we all want the most power, for what?

[HCS]

Third person action adventure, controller> keyboard and mouse.

This game will melt all of our rigs, and cause us to spend so much more damn money, meanwhile on xbox 360, just pay the regular price, no need to upgrade.

I was going to mention this yesterday. If you think killzone 2, uncharted, crysis and assasins look good, you aint seen nothing yet.

[tmarshall11]

Every one just shut up and wait, its christmas, relax enjoy it while it lasts, wait and see, god

[Avto]

ha ha ha this game is going to look so old news it looked good in 2006 but as they progress and release new screens (yes it does happen from time to time through Euro gaming magazines it became obvious that the 2006 Intel demo is clearly superior the reason for this is X360 oh and DirectX 10 exclusivity is sh!t they had this game running on X1900 a few times.

[pwnmaster3000]

only game that will look better then crysis is the people who made crysis project for ps3

[HCS]

have no clue what your talking about, and a sad state affair of gaming when all you can do is shout how graphics=game.

their is not much of a difference if at all between ps3 and xbox360. you must be wearing 3d fanboy tinted goggles, and cannot afford the competitors system so you must bash it.

2005 is still updated technology and next to photo realism. That's when 360 came out. Ps3 came out in 2006. Xbox came out in 2001 and ps2 came out in 2002.

I dont care what any of you say, this generation is not going to blow us away more then what we saw at the launch of 360. I need to focus more on games, that's why we always played our ps2 over xbox right? even though xbox was technically superior in every way. now STFU and enjoy the games. Guys here gripe about some stupid stuff and you "gamers" should be ashamed of yourselves to doubt these game makers. you have no idea what they can do unless you do it yourselves. and im betting you don't. Damn sure don't act like you got any smarts.

Uncharted? give me a break, im so disappointed in Gears of Persia.

[LinuxGuru]

You mixed your release dates.

The PS2 was released in 2000, and the Xbox was released in 2001.

[Prototype]

I'd like to see console games that outdid the pc counterparts.

This article is basically trying to filter people who prefer graphics over game play; and I'm for game play over "Eye candy."

[hotshot127]

why would anybody take you seriously when you just stated fallout 3 in your comment as a 360 game blowing away all ps3 games when its a MULTIPLATFORM GAME....................... "sigh" and walks away from ignorance.

(as im walking away) and not to mention, ninja gaiden 2? YES it looks impressive..........GAMEPLAY WISE but graphics look just like ninja gaiden sigma with more blood.

too human?.....................hah ahahaahahah dont make me laugh.........whoops, too late.

alan wake, i cant even believe this guy just compared it to crysis, to be honest, when i first saw this game, GRAPHICS DIDNT EVEN COME TO MY MIND AND THATS THE TRUTH.

but i guess hype can do anything to people.
i wouldnt have commented on this article even if it was a ps3 game because when it doesnt live up to the hype graphically.........YOUR GONNA GET BURNED

[ygxbrayzie]

wait and see...

[Bnet343]

to be running this game at full power, so I'm curious to see how the Xbox 360 version will look like.

[FF7numba1]

looks boring. Lol alan looks uncomfortable in his own body.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

An update to this game would be a nice little stocking stuffer or somthing nice to ring in the new year.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Must have been DJ's doing he is always scarred of 360 games like Alan Wake, just look at his pathetic attemp at spin up and down this post. He will be like this on the Too Human news as well, wait and see. He trolls certain 360 games because they frighten him and have more potential of selling, looking and playing better than PS3 games.

[AshleyRiot]

Not too much has been released about this game so i can't say anything other then it looks promising. For people bringing up Killzone 2 and anyone interested in K2 in general read the Gameinformer issue 173 Sept.07 and see what they had to say about it with actual HANDS-ON time playing a mission in it. Basicially says the opposite of what all the people trying to bash it had to say. Happy Holidays.

[DJ]

It was great to hear that the gameplay and AI were pretty much nailed, even at pre-Alpha status.

[Funky Town_TX]

nuff said.

[sabbath420]

Why are there so many sony flamers chiming in on this 360 topic?

[DJ]

but I only see the usual amount of hating. Most people actually know very little about this game, and the ones that do have a mixed opinion since the published previews haven't shown anything spectacular. I read the preview for this game in Game Informer I believe, and I saw a 12-polygon tire in one of the 'action scenes'. Not saying the graphics are bad, but it does bring back memories of Enter the Matrix.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Microsoft would lke to thank you and appreciates your purchase of Windows (a Microsoft product) to play those "PC" games. Ether through the Xbox or PC you end up paying MS for those games. That is if you "think" this game will be on the PS3, Linux or a MAC? No PS3, Linux or MAC support? oh well guess you will just have to play ths on "PC"

Is it even possible for you to troll harder? Get back to the cave before I blind you with this Xbot light, back back! PS3TARD/DROID/WAIT B3YONDER yeah you heard me, go back to you 4 games with a million copies sold PS3, while we enjoy our 29. Don't forget to log on to that PSN, where only 3 million out of 6 million PS3 owners are online on that "FREE" PSN. Don't forget to troll these comments and try and lie the PS3's attach rate up by adding Blu-Ray movies sold along with games sold, so you can try and feel better about the PS3's actual 2.9 attach rate. Have a nice day PS3TARD :-)

P.S. you should have stayed in bed today or atlast stayed away from this post.

[FPS nut]

I mean if I got owned like that again and agian, I would just shut my trap for the day.

[Blademask]

Shouldn't he be accepted now by you guys? Versus trying to "own" him? Alan Wake much like the majority of the good titles on the 360 including GOTY for the 360, are available on the PC.

The PC to you guys is like a retarded step brother that you leave in the attic.

Deny all you want, but Alan Wake is a multiplat. That people without the 360 will be enjoying.

[Fux4Bux]

Well I hope 360 doesn't limit it too much. Obviously going to have to strip down the graphics and interface..... just better not ruin the PC version like so many other PC/360 games.

[wangdiddy82]

Someone please post the pictures of this game.. I cant find the link.. I saw a couple of them last week or so.. But from what ive seen the in game stuff looks ok at best. Nothing we havent seen already. It doesnt look anything close to some of the games out now graphically. Definitely no where near the quality of crysis.. This game needs a lot of work to be compared to COD4, Bioshock, and uncharted..

Uncharted definitely has the best looking graphics seen to date on a console game.. I think so and so do a lot of other people in the game industry..

[power of Green]

PS3 fanboys trying to downplay the 360 what has been shown is the same platform most all games are shown on at fisrt. games are made on PC's to start with. lol

The Iphone is made for the web its great(Xmas gift).

Get a life PS3 fanboys. hahahahaha

[FPS nut]

Some new shots and vids of this game would be nice.

[power of Green]

LOL I get dissagree's I'v been looking at pics of URT3 long before they released PS3 pics. Its Xmas don't you have anything to do?. lol

Dam theres a typo in my first post, DOH!!!! dammmm youuuuu Iphone.

[FPS nut]

What do you think of yours? I thought mine was a bit pricy for it's features. But then again I'm never truly happy whith anything I buy, I nit pic to much. I love the interface, but it seems unfinished to me. It's kinda like my PS3 or Vista, it seems to need a bunch of updates IMO.

[Blademask]

I don't care what "CONSOLE" you own, to think that it would ever come close to CRYSIS is beyond retarded. And without a HDD?!! You've got to be kidding me. Seriously.

The only console game that comes close, and by close I mean 900 light years away. Is Uncharted, which is being upheld as the best looking console game out right now. And Crysis' VEGETATION engine embarrasses it completely. Thats not even getting into the dynamic water/lighting/FRIGGEN GROUND/Destructible everything. Crysis rapes Uncharted. to death.

You guys are fooling yourselves to think that the 360 has any juice left for heavy hitting. Halo3 couldn't even run hd let alone full hd. Mass effect cant even get streaming loading down. These are the biggest releases that MS has to speak for themselves post Gears. Gears just got trumped by UT3, which is unimpressive to say the least. Compared to Uncharted. When you then try to compare Gears/Mass Effect/Halo3 to Crysis.. oh my god are you insane?!

It has proven it CANT produce a game on par with Uncharted on console. Blame the Cell, blame memory, whatever. Uncharted stands second to none technically(on console) when it comes to:

Animation 300 Per character
HDRI Lighting
Dynamic Water & Shaders
Rendering Engine
Streaming Loading

With all that Crysis kills Uncharted 3million times over. On a powerful rig at least. But the only way to play Crysis is with one. What makes you think it will be able to handle any load CLOSE to Crysis!? The 360's limit has and always will be GEARS OF WAR. Which I'm sorry its old. It looks great, but you cant stand by that as the graphical juggernaut of the system. Bioshock looks great too! But Crysis Good? Outside of great textures, and sound design. Bioshock is just another fps. One that wasn't made solely optimizing the 360.

Either invest in a computer if you want those Crysis like graphics... Or give props were props is due.

Crysis is the most amazing game I've ever seen in my life. The second is Uncharted.

What, are the programmers going to stumble upon some videocard hidden somewhere on the 360? that they didn't find in the past 2 years?

Also, everyone claims they have seen Alan Wake.

Maybe i'm not the huge nerd that I thought. But everything I've seen was from 06.

Anyone have any new footage of how amazing this game looks? Or is it the 5 stills and video from 06?

[FPS nut]

Come on admit it, you pull all that out of your stinky place don't you?
Come on, try a new years resoluton. Say it with me "I will not lie and try to pass it off as truth anymore" another "I will not pull fake numbers and mumbo jumbo from my stinky place anymore" some more "I will try and game for once and see the potential of my competitors" one last one "I will not troll anymore and will keep my troll self in it's cave where it belongs" ok do you feel better? I do.

Couple of questons, if I play the same game released on my PS2 and PS3 is it multiplatform? or is it a Sony exclusive? So if a game is released on the 360 and PC doesnt that make it a MS exclusive? You see, you are the reason for some of my embarrassment as a PS3 owner. Your to dumb to realize how dumb you are. Im not talking about reading or writing dumb, I mean "Common Sense" stupid which is far more important, because without that you would be walking into walls and and pissing on your food.

EDIT My response is just to reread this post, it pretty much says it all. Idiot above me and idiot below me, I'm in between an idiot troll sandwich. You could have atleast used mustard or mayo to help cover that "bullsh!t troll taste". Now whip! back to your cave, get back in there! Trolls sure are unsightly characters.

[Genki]

So one person gives reasons to supplement their points..and another uses insults and childish banter.

Who makes more sense?

Who really looks foolish here?

I wonder what you'll say...

[Blademask]

lol. Your to dumb huh? The only way I can respond to your education level.... is.. I don't know? A sad face :(?

I'll wait for your edit.

[DaEnforcer]

No chance but it can match Crysis, this of course on PC and not 360.

[Statix]

Eff Alan Wake. Killzone 2 will prolly pwn all visually.

[GastoncklovesMP]

You Know I wanted to play PSN until I have read all thease PS3 fan comment but I am afraid that everone on PSN is a fanboy so thanks for keeping me from buying One!!!!!! I hope I am wrong. So until i think outherwrise thanks people!!!

[BLACKJACK VII]

LMAO ! Exactly what i was thinking... anytime u feel the urge 2 buy a PS3, just tune in to News for Flamers... this website IS the PSN !!!

I'm not sure if any of these clowns even play games... none of them link their gamercards to their profile, & they spend all their time on 360 threads talking FUD & taking away "xbot" bubbles while making dual, triple, even quadruple accounts so they can keep on flamin'.... lol, it's pathetic !!! Geez, I'm gonna go hit some COD4 or Gears... this website is a waste of space & time..... see ya posers !!!

ROTFL !!!!

[ravinash]

If your on the PSN, you won't hear all this carry on about my console is better than your. I'm sure you don't hear it on Xbox Live.
Whats the point in going on how good your system is if everyone who is on that network has the same machine as you.
Just remember most people are normal, so don't let the few Fan boys get to you.

[Brianemone]

Anyone feel violated by the amount of popups on that site?

[FirstknighT]

With Warhound, Alan Wake, and Fallout 2...it looks like the 360 will raise the bar for next gen graphics in 2008.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

I really hope a demo is on the way, some ware in this up coming year. i really have high hopes for this game.

[Alcohog]

How does garbage like this get approved on this site?

[ROCCOZILLA]

this game will only be on PS3 just like heavy rain.the 360 is at its limit.it cant push more grafics then cod4 or bioshock.also thats why ut3 is only on ps3 because the 360 cant handle it.and they can keep lost planet.ill take little big planet!PLAY B3YOND

[Figboy]

of if it outstrips Crysis or not, Alan Wake is the one 360 title that is on my list of games to get when i pick up my 360 sometime next year. it really looks intriguing. not the standard FPS fare we're used to.

[mighty_douche]

Better than Crysis?

On a console?

i Swear these people who even put a console game >graphically< in the same league as Crysis either hasnt seen how Crysis looks on a top PC or is simply a console nub in denial.

[Figboy]

is a PC game too, you know.

it's more than possible that it could look better than Crysis, *ON THE PC.

i'm not saying it *WILL, just that it's possible.

even if it doesn't, it still looks like an intriguing game.

[HCS]

Apparently you guys never saw the x06 or 2005 trailers. They still look incredible. Day goes into night shenmue. Forest withers when it snows. It looks amazing to this day and i can't imagine how fantastic it will look and play when it comes out.

It's nothing going to be short of AMAZING, it's remedy, the company who created the alltime classics la noire crime games max payne and max payne 2.

[aceman7]

THIS GAME WILL RAISE THE BAR ON PC ONLY.

While the 360 get's the low-res washed out version, Remedy HATES consoles.

Max Payne 1 and 2 on PC looked generations ahead of their console counterparts. Remedy is a PC developer.

[Kleptic]

Max Payne 2 was absolutely unstoppable on a PC...it still holds strong to this day graphically...the lighting engine was extremely advanced, and it had a fair amount of decent physics for a pre-havok/source game...

can't wait to see how this game turns out...I somewhat agree with you though on the console debate...there is no doubt that Remedy will come up with an incredible looking PC game...but if the console versions compared to the PC version of Max Payne 2 creates an illustration of what the differences will be for Alan Wake...the 360 will get a good looking game...and the PC will get pretty much the current king...

[Xbox is the BEST]

the power of multi core processor combined with the Unified Shader.
Cell what? Notice that the Cell is only in the PS#3. If the Cell was really that powerful it would have been in computers by now. Look at the latest computer specs they all say multi core processor.

[Strife Lives]

Alan wake videos dnt impress, but as I have a life and find it hard to maintain studying and partying,the 360 version of this game has already won me. Pc gaming is too much of a hassle. Graphics arnt everythng anyway. It always makes me laugh when alotta the pc guys up here dnt hav the resources to run games the way the devs show it,so how correct is it for you to shout pc version is better? After all, i would buy a game pop it in and voila,just like the HD vids I saw last tuesday.while pc guys, maybe its the same,maybe nt. Thanx, I'll stick to my gd ol 360. Rather that than a graphics card with a 750 horsepower bi turbo W12 engined monster. After all,just like a car, pc gamers get their wallets knockd hard for upgrades

[jackdoe]

Somehow, I doubt it. It takes a $10,000 computer to run Crysis at high settings while Alan Wake is being developed with the 360 as the lead platform.

[LinuxGuru]

Wrong.

It is possible to build a 2,000 dollar rig yourself and run crysis at high resolutions and high settings at 40-50 fps.

Easy!

Oh, and double wrong; it's being developed on PC (vista) and ported to 360.

[IQUITN4G]

I think the big hitters like FF and MGS may not cause quite as huge a stir in sales as some like to believe.These games will no doubt sell very well of course and help the platform but not so that a rival platform then becomes obsolete as a result.360 has some fantastic games on the horizon and i sense some people may be getting bored with the idea that they have to do it all again on the Playstation.

Certainly iv'e know a couple of friends change sides simply because they have lost interest in what once was an essential part of gaming ie FF and MGS.Fancied something of a change and 360 represented just what they were after.

If the idea of playing GT7 on the PS4 makes you question if you really want to be part of games anymore, so too will other gamers begin to question if they want to be part of the same old.

Any company can be guilty of over popularizing with more of the same but i think Sony is clearly more guilty when it comes to banking on those very same gamers wanting essentially that experience yet again.

Things change thank goodness

[GITPWNED]

This game is going to rape so hard, and so will SH5!