First MGS4 INGAME Images!

Check out these first ever ingame screenshots of MGS4. There will soon be more ingame footage shown at TGS.  You can view the images in the image section below.  (They are low quality scans btw. )

[kingboy]

you the man for posting this..thanks

[zypher]

from what little bit i could discern it looks exactly like the trailers Konami's been showing. great indeed! now hopefully all the doubts will be laid to rest.

[Balance]

i only saw 1 screen shot that looked in game that i don't remember from the trailer. they are so hard to see it is hard to tell anything though. is there supposed to be ingame stuff for this at TGS?

[General]

Yep Kojima is going to be showing Ingame footage at TGS, Someone will be actually controlling Snake this time ;)

[Donkey Slayer]

I probably will rent it as I have a hard time getting into MGS games. Maybe it will be more enjoyable than the last two for me. Nice eye candy

[Sphinx]

...from what I can tell. But it doesn't look any better than some of the 360 games. It is a must play though!

[andy capps]

Hard to tell from images, but looks identical to the images and footage released thus far. Hopefully High Res scans will surface soon, or we can always wait for the playable videos from TGS to surface.

[DJ]

Anyone who watched MGS2 and MGS3 knows that the final game actually ends up looking better than the initial trailers. Definitely better than the 360 stuff we've been seeing. I can't wait to see the octo-camo in action, along with how you fight the new metal gears.

[xboxlj]

"Definitely better than the 360 stuff we've been seeing." - DJ
What???

I don't know how you came up with this conclusion, but I definately disagree. There are several 360 games that look better in my opinion. GOW & Mass Effect to name two.

[MoonDust]

i'll wait for footage. Looks like the cut-scenes.

[PS3 Ultimate]

Thinks are going to get hot at TGS! I just got cable high speed internet so I'm ready for TGS! The future is almost here!

[MoonDust]

Future is almost here? huh. Whats so futuristic about it?

[Gamer13]

give us the ingame trailer.

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

no game that looks as good and as real life than this game does, ON BOTH CONSOLES. This by far is the realist looking game. To say that GOW and mass Effect look better than this is just plain ridiculous. I havent seen a game that looks better on this even on the PS3. I think this game is setting the bar very very high for all the other devs out there.

[MoonDust]

Mass Effect does look better. GOW is ok. But ME sets the bar above and beyond. Woould you like to compare pictures?
http://media.xbox360.ign.co...
http://media.ps3.ign.com/me...

[andy capps]

Mass Effect is a great looking game, but yes, let's compare.

http://media.ps3.ign.com/me...
http://media.xbox360.ign.co...
http://media.ps3.ign.com/me...
http://media.xbox360.ign.co...

Mass Effect looks really good, but the plastic looking characters are still annoying for me. Metal Gear Solid has blown me away at how realistic the characters look and how Kojima is able to convey emotions through his characters. Both titles are AAA titles and arguing about this is silly, let's just leave it that both games look spectacular and enjoy them in their own right.

[xboxlj]

or does a lot of the PS3 games seem to have the same brownish hue to them. It's almost like the colors are "washed" or something. I can't really explain what it is, but the colors seem off on a lot of the games for PS3 that I have seen so far. (War Hawk, RFOM, MGS4,and even Heavenly Sword to a point).

[Captain Tuttle]

It's like they're trying to go for a sepia look or something.

[andy capps]

A lot of the Xbox 360 games are using the Unreal Engine, and therefore a lot of them have over the top lighting and "plasticky" looking characters. Most PS3 games aren't using the Unreal Engine, I just think it's a design choice. If you look at the untitled Naughty Dog game, Fatal Inertia (uses Unreal Engine), and Motorstorm they all have pretty bright and brilliant colors.

Three of the ones that you mentioned are just going for that look I believe: MGS4, Heavenly Sword, and RFOM. It just looks like a filter, like the filters used in Saving Private Ryan. I see a lot more hues of red in Heavenly Sword, which seems to speak more of it's influence from martial arts movies. RFOM's presentation seems to fit the tone of the game perfectly, in my opinion.

[BIadestarX]

They better show some ingame video... or they are going to continue to bleed fans... You can't spect people to be happy with stupid low res pictures that may be from cut-scenes while XBox 360 gamers are getting even demos.

[DreDawgg06]

Its sad you guys are already jumping to conclusions "wow it looks just like the movie." How about you wait to see some real Pictures or movies and not same grainy scans, this is just pathetic. Xbox 360 just announced it will do 1080p and will be on its way to sell 10 million consoles and you PS3 fans are exited about this? wow sad indeed.

[BIadestarX]

what else are they going to be happy about? Think about it; this is all they have.

[pRo loGic II]

You are crazzy. lol

[Solid Snake]

...........................

[MoonDust]

:)

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

the xbox360 will upscale 720P games to 1080P, i dont think its native 1080p. Not trying to start a flame war, but its not exactly the same thing as native 1080p.
Anyways, this game looks awesome, i cant wait for the gameplay.

[BIadestarX]

"i dont think its native 1080p" and the PS3 is? Show me a link or something that proves that the PS3 does 1080 natively... they may be upscale even 720P... ATI said it before the hardware was designed to handle it. Why it's this a surprise?

[Captain Tuttle]

Seems the 360 is capable of 1080p
http://www.anandtech.com/tr...

"ATI did clarify that although Microsoft isn't targetting 1080p (1920 x 1080) as a resolution for games, their GPU would be able to handle the resolution with 4X AA enabled at no performance penalty."

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

Virtua Tennis is native 1080P, Resistance is aiming for 1080P, GT:HD is 1080P, all NATIVE, they arent 720P being upscaled. Get educated man.

oh well, i am done with this. LOL.

[BIadestarX]

I didn't say the PS3 can't do it... I'm just asking for some prove. Show me the technical specs that indicate that the PS3 does it natively. thats all. Any links?
Thats the problem with PS3 fanboys... the get a titty attack when you ask them for prove. Since, everything about the PS3 is a rumor.

[DJ]

then why haven't any games on the system even attempted it? Because none of Microsoft's rhetoric was actually true. I don't want to repeat myself, but many of you know that the 360 has no such thing as 'free anti-aliasing' once it has to render above 620p. The 1080p update, as far as i know, allows the console to take the 720p frames and upscale them to 1080p. It's obviously not as good as natively rendering at 1080p, but Microsoft patches and updates a lot so it goes with their corporate strategy.

Funny how they blew off 1080p as being impossible and bad for developers, and now suddenly they're backtracking and copying Sony's strategy. Really, the update is for the HD-DVD add-on drive; it doesn't do much for games since it just upscales them.

[BIadestarX]

haha.. you can't copy hardware once it's released... or you think that microsoft can add HD-DVD with a just a downloadable patch!? ahh haha. So, if you use your logic.. it is possible that the 360 already had this capabilities and all it needs is an update to enable it? So..... mmmm... how would this be copying?
"It's obviously not as good as natively rendering at 1080p, but Microsoft patches and updates a lot so it goes with their corporate strategy." would you tell the difference? Also, maybe microsoft just wanted Sony to talk trash (as they did about 1080p) so later on the news that the 360 supports 1080p would undermine the p3 and make them look stupid... I think that just happened... ouch.

[bung tickler]

becuase it isnt worth the effort right now.... NO ONE HAS 1080p TV's why take all that dev time for a HANDFULL of people... let alone gamers, as most people that DO have a 1080p TV use it for MOVIES, not games. 720p IS THE SWEET SPOT! that is were the main mass of people will be able to benifit.

[NextGen24Gamer]

You already know the answer to this. Because MS understands that most consumers don't have 1080p. So they are targetting 720p and 1080i for games. But the ATI avivo tech is native 1080p if enabled with software. It will up convert if the game is in 720p or 1080i. But if a dev wanted to make a game in 1080p...they could. But why? Why do that when most consumers don't have a 1080p tv? Just because you can? There is no penality for the 360 have a game running in 1080p in regards to HDR and AA. But, yes, just like with the ps3, the framerate for a game made in 1080p might be an issue. Who knows until it happens for either system. But, MS has stated that 720p and 1080i is targetted for games. DJ, its over buddy. Just stop. What I have been saying is happening. The 360 will be the first console in history to support ALL HD resolutions. 720p/1080i/ and 1080p. It will play movies in 1080p native and it will up convert 720p and 1080i games. And it will even open the door for devs if they choose to go there. But its all about options. MS has done it again. Sony fans are furious. Why? Stop being devoted to one company and be a gamer. Low and behold, the 360 is future proof. Even more so than the ps3. If blu ray movies flop....its going to be a dark cloud over the ps3. HD dvd don't make or break the 360. Its an option as it should be. WOW...

[THE TRUTH]

"What I have been saying is happening. The 360 will be the first console in history to support ALL HD resolutions. 720p/1080i/ and 1080p. "

That is an BOLD FACED LIE unless you can prove you said that. You have been the MAIN fanboy saying that 1080p is both impossible and meaningless!!! Now you going to sit here and flip flop your words and make it seem like you said MS was going to have GAMES at 1080p.

NO ONE SAW THIS COMING (even if it's great news for gamers) and to say you have is just immature and ignorant!!

You discredit yourself by making dumb statements like that. The fact that your now being a hypocrite just amazes me!!

** Sony is just following the other companies**

**1080p is meaningless**

**1080p isn't possible in Games**

now

WOW 1080P IN GAMES I TOLD EVERYONE THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN

here's a recent comment from Topgamer/Real Deal

11.2 - TheMart
TopGamer - 17 Sep 2006 22:41 | Let him/her speak
Excellent point. Simplistic games can use the 1080p resolution. 2 charactors on screen swing a racket is a good example of simplistic games. Not too much going on and we will see what the final frame rate will be. What many people don't understand is that its a gimmick. But i guarentee everyone if you...

Play the ps3 version of virtua tennis on 1080p on a 1080p television and then you play the 360's 1080i version developed by a different set of devs, on the same 1080p television, you will see that there is little to no difference in the final versions. 1080i games upscaled on a 1080p TV is identical to the human eye. Its the same amount of lines being displayed. Its just one is interlaced but when de interlaced on a 1080p tv...its then being shown in full 1080p. How do I know this? I have a 1080p tv and when I play games on my 360 that are native 1080i...it looks excellent. Now, keep in mind...Less than 5% of consumers have an HD tv. How many of those people are gamers is unknown. And how many of those people have 1080p tv's is obviously a very small amount. So for anyone to brag about 1080p is silly. Its not going to be a factor for the next 4 ot 6 years. So keep in mind its not the signal that matters as much as it is the TV. Folks...if you buy a 1080p tv. You will be getting the best picture possible whether you have a signal in native 1080p or 1080i. Proof of that is the HD dvd players picture quality far superior right now to Blu ray. Its all in the TV folks. From brand to brand to 720p to 1080i to 1080p. Its the Televsions that most don't own that matters.

and on from The Mart

5.1 -
TheMART - 17 Sep 2006 14:18 | Let him/her speak
exactly

Furthermore, who will be able to watch anything in 1080p?

99,9% of all users will have a 720p HDTV at home

another

11 -
TheMART - 17 Sep 2006 16:12 | Let him/her speak
Assassin's Creed -- 720p (running on PC PS3 emulation software)

Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway -- 720p (running on an Xbox 360)

The Club -- 720p (running on an Xbox 360)

The Eye of Judgment -- 720p

Fatal Inertia -- 720p

Formula One '06 -- 720p (plans for full 60fps but not necessarily any resolution bump-up)

Full Auto 2: Battlelines -- 720p (the team is weighing higher options but defining factor is a 60fps framerate above all else)

Genji 2 -- 720p

Gran Turismo HD -- 1080p

Haze -- Not running on PS3 -- 720p demo running on an Xbox 360

Heavenly Sword -- 720p

Heavy Rain -- 720p

Indiana Jones -- Not running on PS3 -- 720p demo running on an Xbox 360

Madden 07 -- 1080i

Marvel: Ultimate Alliance -- Not running on PS3 -- 720p demo running on an Xbox 360

Mobile Suit Gundam -- 1080i

MotorStorm -- 720p (plans for improvement to 60fps)

My SingStar -- 720p

NBA Live 07 -- 720p (conceptual tech demo, not actual game)

Resistance: Fall of Man -- 720p (aiming for 1080 in either form, but the team is weighing the trade-off in system power consumption)

Sonic the Hedgehog -- 720p

Star Wars: Force Unleashed -- Not running on PS3 -- 720p (tech demo, running on an Xbox 360)

Tiger Woods 07 -- 720p (conceptual tech demo, not actual game)

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas -- Not running on PS3 -- 720p demo running on an Xbox 360

Tony Hawk's Project 8 -- Not running on PS3 -- demo running on an Xbox 360

Untold Legends -- 720p

Virtua Tennis 3 -- 720p (planning for 1080i)

WarDevil (Enigma) -- 1080i

Warhawk -- 720p

So Jin, we can add a tennis game with 2 people running on screen to 1080p great.

What will the last 1080p game be uh Tetris in 1080p with 24 frames per seconde in 4096 colours I guess

and now they say............. because MS has JUMPED IN THE 1080p bandwagon!

[NextGen24Gamer]

Its more of a gimmick than needed. Who brags about their game being dev'd in 1080p when less than 1% of consumers can even enjoy it? I could...because I have a 1080p tv. but I realize how rare I am in that area. Oooh, sony has one game targetting 1080p at launch and its a tennis game. And on top of that out of the 50k copies it sells. 5 whole people got to enjoy the highly touted 1080p created game. This is silly. I'm just happy that I can up convert all the 360 games...(especially the ones in 1080i) to 1080p before it hits my 1080p tv. And I'm glad that my hd dvd movies will be in full 1080p. I always knew it would happen..but its good that MS has finally confirmed it. Thanks MS.

[THE TRUTH]

The rabid 360 fanboys are calling you out by name on their side of the site, because MS has now made the statement that 360 will be upgraded to 1808p!!!

Just thought I would give my boy the heads up ^^

My response on this whole MS 1080p is this.....

Wasn't it MS who made that claims that 1080p was meaningless? yes they did check my link: http://ozymandias.com/archi...

Wasn't it the same MS fanboys who also made the claims that 1080p was meaningless...

Well what I'm trying to figure is how they how to achieve 1080p resoultion 1.) without HDMI (which is obviously much better than VGA or commponent cables)

2.) How do they hope to achieve 1080p in games without the storage space? Games such as Saint's Row which I own and have played online are already lag and pop-up heavy. What kind of framerate will these games have in 1080p and what GAMES have been announce that can fullfil this resolution without signifigant drop in framerate?

well I found this helpful article to explain some of this:

I had a chance to talk to Shane Kim, who recently named the corporate vice president of Microsoft Game Studios, about the day's announcements over in Tokyo.

If you missed the news check out the full press release on the jump, but in a nutshell Microsoft announced the Japan price and date for the HD-DVD add-on for the Xbox 360. More importantly, they announced that the fall software update for the console will allow the console to output game and movie content in 1080p resolution. That's right I said movies and games.

The interview was exactly 10 minutes long, so naturally I spent nine minutes trying to figure out just how a console with no HDMI out would gain 1080p output with a software update.

Kim was clear that the console could support true 1080p out.

"If it is running at 720p we will up-res it to 1080p, if it it's already 1080p then we can display it in 1080p," he said. " This is a great example of our console's ability and the great advantage of being a software company."

Kim said that while the console will soon support 1080p out, it will not have an HDMI out.

"We have the ability to output either through VGA or component. We have no HDMI announcement now," he said. "We do have the capability to deliver the software and, if needed, the hardware."

I pointed out that some movie studios have said they will use HDMI output as a form of copy protection and Kim acknowledged that if a studio uses that scheme then HDMI will indeed be required.

While Kim expects that some third-party game developers will create 1080p games, he said that 720p will likely remain the norm.

"We believe 720p is the sweet-spot for high definition," he said, adding that Microsoft Game Studio titles will, for now, continue to be created at 720p.

While the release of a low-cost HD-DVD player for the 360 could help make the console more competitive against Sony's upcoming PS3, Kim things the main development that could help jumpstart 360 sales in Japan are game titles.

Kim said that Microsoft plans to have 110 titles available for the 360 by the end of the year in Japan and 160 in North America.

"It's all going to be about the content and how customers value the content," he said.

Hit the jump for the official press release with details on new Live games, the Pac-Man World Championships, Xbox 360's HD-DVD player, some new titles and XNA support in Japan

link: http://www.neogaf.com/forum... this is what strikes me:""We believe 720p is the sweet-spot for high definition," he said, adding that Microsoft Game Studio titles will, for now, continue to be created at 720p."

so they brag about 1080p but still they will be "for now" at 720p.

SO WHY THE UPGRADE THEN? And now comes thequestion of who is following Sony instead of the claims that it was Sony following others.

This news strikes me as "confused" because I have no idea what direction MS is going now.....
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MGS4 is more of an art form of video games that's deep at all angles, Story, graphiclly, and sound!! I truely am excited and waiting to experience the grand finale of one of video games most gener changing and influencial games ever made.

[bung tickler]

simply put they can output a digital signal through the existing av port on the back of the system, all they have to do is make a HDMI cable to plug into it.

As for WHY would they do this... because even though 1080p is pretty much worthless for games, it is good for movies, the fact that it CAN do it for games is just a small bonus and one less thing that sony can claim that they can do and the 360 can't. it is really quite smart on thier part.

[THE TRUTH]

all they have to do is make a HDMI cable to plug into it.

So I guess what your saying is they will need yet another "add-on" or Maybe 2 one for HD DVD add-on and one for 360 (unless the HD DVD player has DVI)

my point is, what the hell is the point of MS doing 1080p if they already said it was meaningless............ and what games are coming out at that resolution in the near future? My last point is Sony/PS3 got bashed to hell with the comments from some 360 fanboys that Sony/PS3 was just copying the others..... Now that the tables are turned I don't hear the same fans repeating statements like that... why?

[bung tickler]

the ps3 doesnt come with a HDMI cable either... so whats your point there? and as i said the main drive behind the 1080p update is for movies... for movies it is not worthless... for games it is.

as for copying. the hardware has been able to do it from day 1 it just needed to be enabled. so you cant really call that copying unless M$ can time travel and went to the future and saw that the ps3 would be able to output in 1080p and then went back intime before thier launch and added the ability...

[pRo loGic II]

You didn't learn anything from the PS3 & 360 1080p argument in the past. lol If 360 can use 1080p there will be future games developed for 1080p natively. When enough people have the sets to consitute it. lol lol lol lol lol lol lol. WTF is that color in MGS4?, man if i wanted a PS3 and liked MG I would be pissed. WTF is that BS color?. COMIC BOOK COLORS WITH COMIC BOOK ART.

[NoMercy]

Too bad they are just low quality scans. Famitsu mag rocks BTW.

[NextGen24Gamer]

Exactly...ha ha ha ha

[nitroburn1]

Who here even has a TV that does 1080p?????

[OutpostCommand]

I can do 1080i...
:-/

[clayton]

They said it was not needed. But you know how consumers go, if one says 1080p and the other says 1080i the clerk at the store will say the PS3 is more powerful, but if Microsoft makes 1080p available then that won't happen. I'm glad they kicked Sony in the teeth pretty funny. You and your little spec sheet you have and the tech stuff you try to speak about is meaningless. You know nothing about the hardware in the 360 the GPU is new and has never been done before. I for one am glad they will update the 360 to do 1080p, I am tired of the sony fanboys bragging about power, well not anymore BJ.

[Scythesean]

WTF! I've seen the videos and none of them look that color. So what you can't find anything to gripe and cry about so you start on the color of some scanned images? Geez grow up and quit acting like spoiled rich kids that say that their dad's car is faster then your dad's car.

The game is going to be awesome, GoW is going to be great they are two totally different games. It would be like comparing a Spider-man game to a james bond game.

Both are fighting a battle but not in the same way and not in the same atmopher.

[babypheonix]

Geeze xbox360 even canot handle 780p with solid 60fps in most games

on the other hand PS3 GTHD is 1080p with 60fps and only take second to loading

[ApocalypseShadow]

mgs1,2,3,zone of the enders1,2,mgs4 are hideo kojima's way of of making his games look different than the masses.he's not trying to duplicate reality because it's a game.that's why he keeps reminding you with cues in game that it's a VIDEO GAME.VF5 doesn't have a "tint",fatal inertia,virtua tennis,fight night 3,bio shock,etc.i could keep going with this.as for 360 getting 1080,as good as the system is,how long will gamers have to keep patching and upgrading with hardware and software to equal ps3?how much would you have paid to equal the low end or high end ps3?i don't want to keep patching and upgrading when it should have been built in.consoles shouldn't be duplicating pc ways of thinking.nintendo doesn't do that crap.

[DJ]

TopGamer:"Low and behold, the 360 is future proof. Even more so than the ps3."

Needs patch to output 1080p (upscaled, not native)
Needs patches in order to have some degree of backwards compatibility, which requires the 'optional hard drive' for $100.
Needs add-on to play Hi-def movies.
Cannot use next-gen storage capacity for games.
Requires $50 annual fee to upgrade to online multiplayer.

And that's somehow futureproof?

PS3 comes with all of those capabilities built in, right out of the box (And then some). Blu-ray used for movies AND games. Free online multiplayer. Able to render natively at 1080p (not just upscaling). Best of all, the system's significantly more powerful than the 360, which totally justifies to price. Hey, if you don't have the right TV for hi-def movies, no problem. Once a consumer actually buys one and finds to need to watch their movies in HD, all they have to do is buy the movies. Their PS3s already have the feature built-in without the need for additional fees and patches. =]

[NextGen24Gamer]

See now everyone can see how DJ lies. Read the press release buddy. 1080p will be enabled. The ati video card is capable of 1080p native. But MS is targeting 1080i with games. It will up convert the 720p games and the 1080i games. It will play the HD dvd in FULL 1080p. Not upscalled. ha ha ha...I love this. So desperate. Its over DJ. Get over it. Move on buddy.

[Captain Tuttle]

"PS3 comes with all of those capabilities built in, right out of the box (And then some)."

And you pay big bucks for it, even if you're not interested.

[DJ]

But that's still cheaper than buying add-ons. The $600 version just has HDMI, extra memory card slots that most people won't use, and some extra hard drive space.

The $500 you get the native 1080p, full PS1 and PS2 backwards compatibility, 20-gig hard drive, free online multiplayer, free blu-ray movie playback, etc. Best of all, the blu-ray drive was put in specifically for games, so it benefits gamers, not just movie buffs.

It's a better deal than plopping $400 down, and then an extra $200 for hd movies, and then an extra $50 a year for online multiplayer.

[Captain Tuttle]

I don't want an HD-DVD player. I don't want to be forced to buy one to play games.

"Best of all, the blu-ray drive was put in specifically for games, so it benefits gamers, not just movie buffs."
I would say you're taking a little bit of artistic license with that statement. Blu-Ray happens to work for games, Sony's really interested in the HD movie format war.

I've seen nothing except Sony's very questionable PR stating that online will be free. If it is it will be poor quality. I promise you that.

[Aramis001]

Look DJ, no matter how you put it, $600 is more than $400. The average consumer will not get the add-on, they will get a 360 for GAMES. And people seem alot more interested in 360 games than ps3 games. Just look at ign's most popular 100.

xbox 360- 32 titles in top 100
wii- 18
ps3- 8

I don't know how you'll interpret it but if I'm not mistaken, 32>8.
And most people don't care if they need to patch or update to get services, so long as they are available for free and of good quality. So what if I need a patch for 1080p. Who cares if I need a download to play old xbox games, as long as it's free. Even with the cost of xbox live (an awesome, proven service) it's still cheaper than a ps3.

[THE TRUTH]

Yes the PS3 comes with a HDMI 1.3 for the $599 version!!!

and why don't we take the approach we get from the 360 fanboys that bash every PS3 game to date!

Let's wait for the gameplay to show us 1080p (and not just gameplay videos, but I need a HUD/lifebar and someone holding the controller attched to the console in clear view) then we will Know for sure that it's not CGI/Pre-rendered/BS ............ funny how that these same people can't make such statements about "their" console

[pRo loGic II]

But the color of MGS4 and RFOM and a few others Look like sh*t Art style or not. Poor faded depth with very limited color. It's not these scans it's all the pics PERIOD!!!!!!!!.....

[andy capps]

Have you ever seen Black Hawk Down, Saving Private Ryan, Kingdom of Heaven, or any of the Lord of the Rings movies? What do all of these have in common? They all use filters heavily. If you don't like them, don't watch them. If you don't like the games because of the choice of filters, then don't buy them. It's as simple as that. To say they look bad is subjective, I and many others think they look great. Maybe you think they'd look better if they were all using Unreal Engine and had plastic looking characters with over the top lighting?

[Scythesean]

this is you omg I can't see far ahead of me because of smoke and dust in the desert, Gow won't do this because they want me to see things in a dark destroyed world but still full of bright shinny lights that and even though the enemy is only 15 yards away I can see 100 yard behind him because of no smoke or dust even though it has nothing to do with me really it's just really pretty to look at.

Instead what MGS and RFOM are doing is putting you into a more real looking enviorment to where you can see to a distance but most of these videos I have see for MGS are in the desert type areas where when the wind blows dust gets in the way of your vision. On RFOM they make it look kinda the same with Fog and smoke. Look at the GoW game it's made to be the end of time but the gus in the game look like body builders and the area you play in looks more like a close quarters combat. Look at all the well placed Blocks to hide behind and just after watching the video's I can tell that after that guy slams his body into the wall for cover after 10 times making that Grhh! sound it's going to be really annoying.

MGS is going to be a true next gen game. Gow will be nothing more then a new pretty game.

What is GOW actully offering over MGS? Nothing really, while MGS is letting you hook up the PSP so a friend can control the little sweet co-op game play. RFOM is giving 40 players online and GOW is giving you 8. Wow I'm so glad I didn't waste money on a system that requires more patches and updates then my windows XP.

[babypheonix]

I donnt think DVD has enogh storage for 1080p graphic

[Scythesean]

let not for get Requires $50 annual fee to upgrade to 1080p, even if you don't want to use live for your own reason they are FORCING you to sign up with live. Sounds like they are trying to make you do this even though your system can do it already they are making you join live to get the best out of your system. That would be like me going buy a new car that can only go up to 70mph. But that it's ok because no roads have speed limits over that anyways so you'll never need it. And then a year later they tell me that if I buy the cool new bucket seats that they will unlock my car to go over 70mph.

[bung tickler]

everyone with a 360 gets a free month of xbox live gold when they buy thier system, all you have to do is make an account, you dont even have to enter any billing info. also you can just use a silver account to get the update and if you dont have the inernet they will send a disk with any updates you need all you have to pay is the $1.99 for shipping.

[clayton]

I am sure after the update is deployed all manufactured 360 will be 1080p capable. Besides whats the chance of a person with a 1080p TV not having XBox Live and Internet? Slim to none. THink before you waste a bubble retard.

[ApocalypseShadow]

the car analogy is funny.i got a kick out of that.people believe microsoft is doing some great service by giving you "choice".when in reality it's PC patching and upgrading.and i'm supposed to be happy with that?no!i'm not happy with that.sony isn't clean either if some think i'm just bashing microsoft.psp keeps having to be upgraded just to play a game.not added on the side of games.but to play games.i hate that too.

[NextGen24Gamer]

Are you serious? All you need is a Silver membership which is FREE. Basic service to xbox live is FREE. And just like they did with the xbox live arcade games. I'm sure they will have a disc you can purchase or get free with the update, for those who absolutely have no internet access. And I'm thinking...who has a 1080p tv and no internet access? ha ha ha ha...Sony fans are indeed getting desperate. Take a deep breath fellas. Its going to be alright. Sony had its time with the last two generations. Its over.

[Scythesean]

He can see into the future of Bill Gates Mind!

Wait no no sorry only the Sh*t coming out his A$$ because his head is shoved right up inside it.

MS hasn't won jack yet, when the PS3 and Wii are released and after a year we will see where the three stand. MS has a head start but you kinda have to give a retared person a head start before you smoke their A$$es.

MS has had it's 1 year of fame and now it's time for them to be put back in their place. The PS3 is going to be much better then the 360 because it's consided old now, outdated requiring patches to keep up and that is how most people will view it.

The entire world of gamers do surf sites like these all day and listen to what's going on they look at what's new and coming out that's cool. Hence the PS3 is New and Cool so it fits that they will "Jump" on getting one.

Comparing the 360 second gen games to the PS3's first doesn't show that the 360 is better it is showing that the 360 isn't really giving you your moneys worth. What will PS3 games look like this time next year if they are already compared to the 360's 2nd year batch? Time will tell.. I can't wait.

[babypheonix]

DVD cannot handle HD thas why there is BD and HDDVD.
1080p is not just HD its FULL HD

[bung tickler]

dvd couldn't hold a HD MOVIE, but it could very easily hold a game. they are 2 different animals.

its sad i had to use my last bubble to tell you that but... ehh ppl need to be educated.

[pRo loGic II]

So true. 31.1 don't make me paste pics to prove you wrong if i shined a flash light in you're face you're skin would be off color. You don't know anything about the game so hush. Sam Fisher looks greasy in Splinter cell 360 version because he can sweat. lol Why does MGS4 and RFOM have 5 different colors, tops and why are the colors faded looking. lol

[clayton]

Why is everyone commenting on this lame article when you can go checkout lost odyssey, theat has gameplay that looks like CG and is real, oh and blue dragon too. Japan is going to be overrun with 360s. Lost Odyssey is the best looking game I have ever seen, good luck PS3.

[Scythesean]

japan doesn't care for the 360 PERIOD! The only way they would is if the Wii and PS3 was cancled and the 360 picked up all their games. That is the only way people in japan will convert over. They pretty much hate the 360 just because....

Games sure they help sway a few but not the masses of fans from the PS and Nin sides. MS could give them free games and they still won't sell. Wait didn't they try that and also dropping the price and giving them a cell phone or something?

[ApocalypseShadow]

art style is what is going to be needed for next gen gaming.all these middleware engines are making some games look the same.which is rather boring.have you played any of the above listed games i mentioned?probally not.i don't want to see the same wall textures,character model sizes,trees and grass,etc,spread through out all my games.it's like having books with the same cover.the content will be different,but the book will look the same on the outside.that would be a joke to me.

[clayton]

They did not a have many jap games, now they will have 110 by the end of the year and 160 in the US and Europe. Beside I haven't seen any PS3 games that match the quality of Lost Odyssey or Blue Dragon, much less Gears of War and Lost Odyssey blows GOW graphics out of the water. BOOM

[babypheonix]

True however if you try to make GOW or HALO3 1080p it most likely wont fit one DVD even not 2

[Bhai]

Absolutely stunning true CGI quality game. No doubt the art style with natural lighting techniques simply makes it a stand-out title. There is no crappy exeggerated usage of insane level of light blooms or 'shiny' surfaces, entirely believable visuals and stunningly real too. Its the art-style that makes it a solid CG-movie like product. Really a power at the PS3 side. AWESOME !!!

[Bhai]

...that we're going to see a lot of that Squid camoflague in just a few hours, even more awesome !!!

[MISSY E]

PS3 games that are bigger and more complex will be duller because the game is taking a hit because of the lack of memory for color ect. You know why! we talked about this last night stop playing with these guys they'll never admit or figure it out. The PS3s not as powerful as they say it is.

[ApocalypseShadow]

your eyes must not see vf5,virtua tennis,bioshock,fatal inertia,heavenly sword,etc.how selective your eyes are.the same will happen to 360.or they will hide it with pop up.like saints row.gears of war doesn't look as colorful as mass effect or cameo.but these are called...wait for it...wait for it...design choices.

[Unknown]

Man chill out. Its just a screen shot! I wish they would have released a better one, but c'mon you seen the video. Don't play yourself. The PS3 game play will look extremely close to that. Stating otherwise would mean that the 360 can't do that and I firmly believe that it can. If you want some crap to "flame" about go watch CNN. They have alot of sickos kidnapping kids on there. I must say that the MGS team has ONE of the best artisitic styles of any developer. And that's why I think people are either "hating" or praising this game. 360 people are more than likely hating because its not on 360. And of course PS3 people are jumping all over it like flies on shyt. Just give props and keep it movin'. If you don't like the gameplay then so what. That's not what this post is about. It's about how the above screens look. I I wouldn't jump the gun and just say " Oh this game shows why the PS3 is better!" Thats not necessarly true. I've seen boo boo on the old xbox by one developer and hi res glory by another developer. Same thing goes for the ps2. A game doesn't always tell you about the console, but rather the developer, but this is simply my OPINION. Oh and to 35.1, the xbox was compared to PS2 games when it launched and Halo looked WAY better than anything on the PS2 at that point in time. Now playing 360advocate, if the PS3 is so d3mn powerful then why doesn't it come out the gate and make the 360 look shameful. Something to think about. And look I stated before, if a developer can make a game look 2x as good as last generation, why spent 3x the money to make it look 4x as good when there is no competition for the 360(as for as next gen)? Once again MGS looks and I believe will be a very wonderful game. More games like this will justify ME getting a PS3. But for now...

[kewlkat007]

Have to "Agree".

[MISSY E]

It's kind of pointless to hand draw thousands of trees & buidings ect lol. H.S. is an Hack & slash, F.I. is a very bland game so if you read my post again these games you listed don't count. #46 simply you're opinion , I agree. The fact is most PS3 games have very poor coloring or average color depth. The pro's at E3 and 80% of gamers that seen the older builds of 360 games dissagree you but thats alright. Im sure dev's are going to work on games for years hand draw buildings and trees and waste millions so the few nerds that give a flying fuc will STFU.lol

[ApocalypseShadow]

to hand draw everything.that's too much work.but most companies are using the same engines and coming out with simular looks.i don't want that.i seem to remember games on 360 that didn't look great at first glance.ghost recon didn't look great.and it was pushed back.kameo,top spin,gotham.over time and with effort,both systems will produce great looking games.but it comes down to playing them if it will be good.it's not about graphics.if it were,i wouldn't play bust a move,tetris,bomberman,etc between this generation,last generation,and classics on old systems.i'm guessing you played heavenly sword and fatal inertia to say if they are bland.the pros as you would call them have been playing for as long as i have.my first system was pong then atari.so there's nothing they played that is out now that i haven't seen either.and it's their opinions on what is good or bad looking or playing.

[MISSY E]

PS3 will be a good console but this will be an repeat of last-gens console to console real world comarisons except the 360 has more dev support than last generation. I'm ten for ten on predictions. I, PLII, REDMOND.B, REAL DEAL, ZINNIA, DD, COVER GIRL, have been saying alot of whats been revealed as of late for ages. lol

[DJ]

MS didn't have much developer support last time around, so it's good to see that they have more devs now. They're still not getting anywhere near as much exclusive support as Sony, but I still see an improvement. It's a bit pathetic how desperate they act sometimes, though. I still remember opening the Konami E3 handbook and there was a huge Microsoft page(s) that said "Dear Mr. Kojima, Jump In." Sounded like a desperate ex-girlfriend dying to get her man back. Never in the history of videogaming have I seen a console maker publicly beg for a developer to get them out of the hole.

[Solid Snake]

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[gnothe1]

I read all the post everyday an I've come to the conclusion that your very annoying, you think you know everything about everything.I know both systems will be good,everbody else does to, maybe not jin an 1 other, but come one man, the xbox360 is a GREAT sytem.whos cares about 1080p an all that crap!! before SOny started ranting about 1080p nobody ever mentioned it.in post 29.3 you mentioned full Ps1 an Ps2 BC, well will it play the PS1 Dance Dance game I have with the dance mats, or do I have to BUY new mats that plug into the PS3.seems to me you just DONT LIKE MS.because other than that theres really nothing you can really complain about with the 360.why we even try to compare somthing concrete(x360) to something thats still a dream(PS3) is beyone me.until you see these games running on a hd-tv, 360 games will always look better because we can see them now, not videos somebody else made.on a side note since the Ps3 is so great in HI-DEF why isnt sony showing their HI-DEF content on THEIR OWN HI-DEF tv's. think about that!!

[Say's you]

And Mass Effect isn't as good as this game I've seen the gameplay in my Xbox Live! and it looks crap!,the shooting! the lasers and the lighting effects are a whole lot of "Crap" compared to this game and well this game is just plain awesome!,and if any Xbox 360 fan thinks that GOW is actually running on the Xbox 360 Hardware and what I men't by that is the Xbox 360's Graphics card and not using Epics Unreal Engine 3,then your just as retarded as they you ever were! doubting on the PS3's capability like that!

and 2nd the PS3 has way more dev supporters then the 360 and any retard know's that!.

[Theonetheonly]

if you want an actual clarification of the things that you are all claiming to understand and calling each other un-educated when you in fact are uneducated.

then all you need is to post yes.
i will write it right now.
just post yes at the top or bottom of your comment.

[Say's you]

Like a big man aren't you dumbass! when really you haven't seen the gameplay of Mass Effect, you uneduacated dim witted moron!.