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Pachter defends "Nintendo in disarray" claims

Controversial US analyst Michael Pachter has reiterated his assertion that Nintendo “is in disarray”.

He initially made the claim during a speech at the Ayzenberg A-List Summit 2012. Following the predictable outrage on games forum Neogaf Pachter chimed in to defend his remarks.

Knight_Cid4871d ago

just his neogaf comments. Nothing to get crazy over

Colwyn4871d ago (Edited 4871d ago )

This Matey is right. Only the Nintendo apologists would disagree with facts and the state of affairs that's been happening with Nintendo.

The wiis sales have declined drastically while the hd consoles are increasing yearly. The Nintendo apologists are waiting for games that were released in Japan a long time ago because there aren't going to be any big games coming out for the wii waitstation.

The 3ds sales were below expectation at launch so Nintendo dropped 1/3 the cost of the device. The 3ds is incomplete and is missing parts so you have to buy a second circle pad add-on. The 3ds is lacking in quality games and the ps vita launched with more games than the 3ds got in a whole year of release. I've seen the release list of games for the 3ds and it seems like there isn't a lot of quality core games coming where the ps vita has a lot.

The wii u has been announced over a year ago but people know little about it. There have been a few games announced for it. It was said to use only one tablet controller and use the inaccurate wiimotes for multiplayer local play. No new games demoed being played on the wii u.

The nes apologists are throwing up because of their constant spinning. I haven't seen people spinning like waitatation apologists since watching my neighbours dog chasing its tail. Nintendo is in disarray because of their constant back tracking to fix their bad decisions

ChickeyCantor4871d ago

I'm really starting to love your comments.

Knight_Cid4871d ago

Please dont agree with me because I dont agree with you.

Patcher ignores facts, and the state of affairs

Shok4871d ago

I handled everything you said in the other article.

Seriously man, you're either a troll or you really are just complety clueless.

If you're just trolling, then you fail ,ause you're not making anybody upset, we laugh at your comments. You're entertainment.

If you're just clueless then......your clueless.

Yodagamer4870d ago

here is a quote from you, " I like to play games cause I can't play sales numbers" why are you suddenly bring up sales now, and on top of that nintendo is the only game console company with no debt

Gregard4870d ago

y u can no have zero bubblez :(

Ck1x4870d ago

@Colwyn:- U may be the most delusional Sony fan imaginable! Lets point out all of the things u have quoted inaccurate.
"The 3ds is incomplete"- to say this means that there is not one great gaming experience on the 3ds without using the Circle Pad Pro. If u can honestly say this then that means that both the PS3 and 360 were incomplete systems before they came out with move and kinect respectively.
"The 3ds is lacking quality games!"- well this is just laughable on so many levels at this stage in the 3ds' life and with the games that are out now.
"I've seen the release list and PSV has more quality core games coming than 3ds!"- just wishful thinking really, nothing more...Quality
"The WiiU was announced over a year ago!"- I have to end this here because it just proves my point of the extent to which u will fabricate...

AJBACK2FRAG4870d ago (Edited 4870d ago )

Don't forget kiddos, in this seventh generation of home video game consoles, The most powerful home console on the market today is in dead last place. The least powerful (two GCN duct taped together) is in first. All that matters is great software period. Who develops the best innovative software (and hardware) of all time? Who only is in the video game business? Bingo. Nintendo. They developed video games twenty years ago that are still extremely enjoyable today. You can't buy that.

fatstarr4870d ago

wii is dead we all know this, its been like 7 years of dominance and its still making sales of course its not gonna compare to year 2 but the sales of the wii now are still above the sales of the 360 and the ps3. and the 3 JRPGS are must haves that the fans have asked for.

Nintendo messed up on the pricing or did they? the circle pad is an optional addon and I hear it makes the 3ds comfy. the 3ds is not lacking games in fact it has tons coming. PSVs may have more games i guess who told you that but 75% of them are poor lackluster or just some form of port. there are 5 must have 3DS games coming that has everyone ready to spend money.

Have you never heard of E3 play your cards right. Nintendo is saving the good stuff for the battle at this years E3. patience is key.

Ness-Psi4869d ago

@colwyn
for someone who doesnt like nintendo your always first to comment or second on most of the wii u articles. and then you spew a load of bile nonsense over everyone.

i personally think your hilarious because i dont know where you get some of this crap lol.

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PSVITAlitysensor4870d ago (Edited 4870d ago )

"Pachter... need I say more?"

The only thing in disarray here is Pachter's image and reputation! NOTHING he says has any relevance in 2012.

saladthieves4870d ago

Sometimes I wonder if Pachter is a Gaming Industry Troll, not Analyst.

mabreu4870d ago

Analyst like Patcher usually state the obvious to stock holders that have no knowledge in what's going on.

A troll is somebody who asks a question or make a comment that is made SPECIFICALLY to piss people off and cause flamewars. Patcher may fall into this category but it's mostly investors that want answers to their stupid questions.

mabreu4870d ago

@Knight_Cid

Your absolutely right. I posted this article to show that Michael Patcher is just as down to earth as any other guy. You have to take his words lightly as possible and not go crazy over it. He's not the Nostradamus of gaming.

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Shok4871d ago

And he remains an idiot.

Mikhail4871d ago

Even though Patcher's analysis arw supported by trends, facts and statistics, he fails to consider other factors that constitute the entirety of the industry itself which are different to other industries. The video game industry has a niche market in it, always was and always will. Nintendo has a unique appeal to it wherein its games and gameplay set it apart from its competitors.

I understand his point that he needs to be precaution when he speaks because investors are looking at him for advise. But Nintendo has proven to be very strong as a company throughout troubling times and changing trends for the past decades. Patcher may be right but I am highly skeptical.

Knight_Cid4871d ago

hsi analysts arent supported by trends, facts or statistics.

DarkSniper4871d ago (Edited 4871d ago )

Michael Pachter has been around the gaming industry long enough to accurately depict any future trends of the industry. Dark Sniper definitely agrees with his statement about Nintendo being in disarray because they are.

Nintendo made the mistake of not making the Wii future proof for long term security. Now it seems as if they are hitting the reset button and finally giving gamers something that the other consoles have had since the mid 2000's, which is high definition gaming. Nintendo has also lost faith in many third party developers as their games always fail to sell on their platform. Leaving only Nintendo to cash in on their instiable greed by making their first party titles the only ones of any relevance.

The difference in power is minute. PlayStation®3 can and will outperform the Wii-U when it comes to pound for pound specs and features. Already sporting next genration graphics, Dark Sniper expects PS3 to beat Nintendo in their own gimmick as the PlayStation® Vita does exactly what the Wii-U controllers does and more.

Dark Sniper gives full credit to Michael Pachter for his incredible foresight into our industry. The Wii-U will be in trouble from launh because of Nintendo's lack of interaction from gamers. The name of the console itself sounds like a university college more than it does as a gaming console.

$niper

yabhero4870d ago

I'm curious... First of all don't compare the remote play of the Vita with its lags, less button and the fact it doesn't come with every system and the games aren't designed around it... You're the only troll who knows nothing about WiiU's power. The unfinished demo kits last year at E3 was 50% more powerful than PS3. It appears as thought the final kits will be 6 times as powerful according to reliable source IGN.
What we do know is that its atleast 50% more powerful and can do native 1080p which the PS3 can't
:) troll harder

yesmynameissumo4870d ago

"The unfinished demo kits last year at E3 was 50% more powerful than PS3."

All the more reason to show the PS3/360 trailers for the Wii-U version of the games like they did at E3. We know NOTHING about the Wii U. Other than current gen games will be available on it.

AJBACK2FRAG4870d ago

Did you say "reliable" source at IGN? Lol.
I think that if you made a video game system as powerful as the PS3 and made it easy to develop for you'd probably win the eigth generation of video game console's before it started!

Titanz4871d ago

All it takes is a google search to see which company actually is, "in disarray."

Hicken4870d ago (Edited 4870d ago )

Being in debt is most assuredly not the same as being in disarray. Therefore, your comment in its entirety is irrelevant.

On topic, Pachter's projections don't sound too unreasonable. They may not be 100% accurate, but nor does he say anything with any certainty.

He says "I believe," and then instead of specifying a number, he says "a large portion." He says "I believe," and then says "many potential... customers..."

The Wii U IS a more core system than the Wii, so for that reason it will appeal to the same groups who might instead buy a PS3 or 360. And, indeed, if the price is too high, some will opt for one of the systems already released.

And, as much as I don't like the comparison of mobile gaming and dedicated handheld, it IS true that casual gamers that would have, in the past, grabbed a PSP or DS have the option of passing their successors up for a tablet or a smartphone. It's not what we gaming-savvy consumers would do, but the casual market is not comprised of gaming-savvy individuals.

I don't like listening to Pachter, because he usually just says something that has a 50/50 chance of being right, or he's so far off-base it's not even worth thinking about. But this time around, it actually sounds like he might know what he's talking about. From a gaming company standpoint, the potential position they could find themselves in could easily be called disarray.

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While Layoffs Hit the Industry, Nintendo Retains 98% of Staff Including 78 With Disabilities

TNS: Based on its most recent ESG data, Nintendo boasts a remarkably low staff turnover rate of just 1.9%, with virtually no reported layoffs.

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Jin_Sakai14h ago

Because Nintendo makes great games.

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rlow111h ago

Well it doesn’t surprise me. As much money as they make and how they value their employees. It’s a great company in that regard.

Xeus710h ago

Good guy Nintendo
Microsoft and Sony are the bad guys

DivineHand1255m ago

There are no good guys. Nintendo has patented gameplay mechanics and have even taking a company to court for using said mechanic. This action is not good for the industry.

drivxr8h ago

Well, when your games remain full price many years after release.

And you make profit off of outdated hardware.

I would be shocked if they couldn't afford to retain their staff.

lodossrage5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

I didn't want to say anything but drivxr is right.

Nintendo always sells at a profit because they purposely use tech that's always 5 or more years behind. And it's also true their games hardly ever get price decreases.

Don't get me wrong, it's great they kept most of their workforce, but making a point to have your tech specs behind everyone else affords that luxury.

Darkegg3h ago

I don’t think it’s their purpose to use old tech. It’s their purpose to make value of software and know their value. Nobody makes games like them that’s for sure. I just don’t appreciate their customer unfriendly policy.

It’s not impossible to take their status. Companies need to have a selection of 8-bit and 16-bit. Now imagine a split screen for 8 player game for SNES Mario kart and selling at $9.99. The problem is that it doesn’t make profit. So many companies won’t invest in “old” technology. Everyone guns for triple AAA modern technology software but honestly we can enjoy modernized 16-bit creative ideas that allows 8-player mayhem. It’s a pipe dream, possible but impossible.

Shane Kim3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

If they ended up kicking people out after all of that stated above, it would be truly shameful.

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Nintendo Switch 2 sales shatters records, most-sold console in 24-hour period

The Nintendo Switch 2 has set a new record by selling over 3 million units within 24 hours, tripling the PlayStation 4’s previous launch day sales.

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Jin_Sakai21d ago

Crazy. Switch 2 is going to do very well.

darthv7220d ago (Edited 20d ago )

No doubt, but.... the current price is out of the realm of the average parent / kid to buy like the SW1 was. So this launch achievement is from those of us with more disposable income.

The number of SW2 specific titles pales in comparison to the variety of SW1 games that get a performance boost right out of the box on this. And like the SX and PS5 before it, you can bet the majority are going to be using it as a means to better enjoy their existing titles that can benefit.

This may have been quick out of the gate... so was the WiiU. I quite enjoy it for what it is, but am keeping my expectations in check.

GenoPurpel20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

The Switch 2’s price point is great and fine and it’s still cheaper than the current gen of consoles aside from the Series S.

The only place I think they will fall short is their software sales, which also in turn may affect the hardware sales but not significantly. Parents will be fine paying for the system for their kids, but one look at an $80-$90 price tag for a single video game, that is where a lot of people will draw the line. Maybe not so much the people who are in the “willing to pay because I buy deluxe editions anyway” crowd, but for parents specifically, more sacrifices are gonna need to be made in their choices of gifts for their kids.

OtterX20d ago

As a parent of 3 with a very modest income, it was very affordable bc I already had an immense library of games, and the Mario Kart bundle came out to only about €50 more than a standard bundle. Both Zeldas were upgraded w Family Expansion Pass that I already had. Many games were upgraded for free. The only additional game I bought was Fast Fusion for 14.99 which was a great purchase!

Killer2020UK20d ago

People seem to forget that the Switch was $299 at launch which in today's money is roughly $400. That makes the Switch 2 a $50 increase when inflation is taken into account compared to the original.

Yes, people have less spending power on average compared to 2017 (Switch launch year) but this is not the MASSIVE price hike that people are making out Nintendo to be doing.

raWfodog20d ago

“No doubt, but.... the current price is out of the realm of the average parent / kid to buy like the SW1 was. So this launch achievement is from those of us with more disposable income.”

It could also be many people rushing to buy to avoid any possible tariff hikes in the future, but I think it’s still a good sign that many people still want physical consoles. Congrats to Nintendo! I’m not getting one at this time though (unless I get it for a Xmas present for one of my kids).

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1Victor20d ago

Congratulations Nintendo on finding the happy medium between their weak console and their invincible handheld plus learning from Sony and clearly defining the new console from the old unlike their Wii and Wii U just add a higher number simple yet effective 👍👍

victorMaje21d ago

Are people that keen on $90 games?
Is it true some remasters will also be $90?

DankSinatra21d ago

Tell me you don't research without telling me you don't research.

victorMaje20d ago

Nope. I didn’t research, I don’t own any Nintendo consoles and I had read on here something about $90 games on switch 2, so I guess it’s good now, people can calm down. Have a nice day :)

1nsomniac20d ago

I bought the Switch 2 I won’t be buying games at MK prices. I don’t ever pay over £45 for my games. Even my Nintendo switch exclusives I never paid more than £33 for.

franwex20d ago

I think the typo you put was meant to be $80.
Anyway, the answer to those questions seem to be yes.

victorMaje20d ago

Looks like I’ve been enlightened about the amount. Happy to see it’s not $90.

Sgt_Slaughter19d ago

Don't get your news from clickbait TikTokers/YouTubers, only go to the source (Nintendo) or reliable new outlets like IGN.

No game is $90 on the Switch 2, and they will never go there. Most games will be under $80, too.

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gold_drake21d ago

cool
wasnt expecting it not to sell well

Profchaos21d ago

Its crazy that it's both the highest selling console on day 1 and people can walk into a store and buy it with no pre order

Ashunderfire8621d ago

Yup while I was waiting in line from Best Buy for Switch 2, like I did for Switch 1 back in 2017, every waiting 12am was going to get a Switch 2! I was in the no preorder line too!

My friend manage to get 4 Switch 2s at his GameStop store, that was lowkey not busy at all. Got them all for himself and his family. Super easy to get a Switch 2 over PS5.

Profchaos21d ago

The struggle to get a ps5 was real had mates wait over 2 years for stock i got lucky and got it day 1 but still

Ashunderfire8620d ago

I know and I also struggled getting a preorder for the PS5, when Walmart, Best Buy among other retailers open their preorders a day early before most of us realize it. I got my PS5 launch day thanks to YouTube Live Streamer Jake Randell. He helps people get preorders and launch consoles.

Neonridr20d ago

the PS5 also released during a global pandemic.

Ashunderfire8619d ago

It’s funny how I got disagrees for speaking the truth for what I experienced getting the Switch 2. Nintendo had more copies of Switch 2 than Sony for the PS5.

Don’t be butthurt about this very fact. People on here disagreeing with crazy reasons lol

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hiawa2321d ago

Doesn't that mean Nintendo made sure they had plenty of stock available at retail.

Profchaos21d ago

Yeah it's nice to see they prepped for it

adamwparker20d ago

Yeah, I remember reading an article over two years ago with Nintendo stating that they were going to do all that they could to make sure their next console didn't have the PS5/XBox reseller swiping /no stock fiasco happen to them.

Looks like they made sure production met demand. Refreshing to see that the reseller thing didn't trend and I hope a lot of people who bought multiple units for the sole reason to resell then at $1000 are now stuck with them.

jznrpg20d ago

It also means there isn’t a chip shortage when PS5/Xbox came out during pandemic

gold_drake21d ago

to be where fair, we had a current gen come out during covid ha

repsahj20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

I remembered I tried 7 pre-order events during the PS5 launch. I gave up and ended up buying 1 from a scalper. But now, I already secured 1 pre-order Switch 2 unit in my country very easy and without problems.

Neonridr20d ago

kudos to Nintendo for ensuring a healthy amount of stock.

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Terry_B21d ago

Unlike the Switch 2 , the Playstation 4 was not sold on the same day in most regions.

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Nintendo Has Confirmed It Will Be Attending GamesCom 2025

Company skipped last year's event.

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Obscure_Observer40d ago

Not surprising at all.

I mean, they´ll be releasing a new console in a few weeks.

repsahj39d ago

I hope they show new Switch 2 exclusive games.