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Nintendo in Disarray Comment is Absurd

Recently Nintendo has been the target of analysts in their ever going insane comments. Michael Pachter is an analyst I trust, and I have never had an issue with his comments. I believe his comments and predictions are well thought out, but even his Nintendo comments are starting to bug me.

Shok4862d ago (Edited 4862d ago )

Nintendo Wii sales 95+ million units.

Nintendo 3DS becomes the fastest selling handheld of all time, also while outselling the Wii and PS2.

Nintendo Wii U will launch first, giving it a whole year to itself, coming with great 3rd party support and an actual online network, essentially fixing all the problems that the Wii had.

And Nintendo is in disarray.

Colwyn4862d ago (Edited 4862d ago )

wii is abandoning its fanbase and nintendo has announced wii u. there wont be any more big releases for the wii when it comes to software. wii u as been announced a year ago but the general public barely has any info on it. the 3ds had to drop its price 30percent a few months after release. the wii u will have weak hardware with bad controls again. a big square controller isnt ergonomical enough and will give hand cramps like a 3ds or ds. the 3ds is an incomplete handheld because its missing parts and people need to buy a second add-on to have 2 slide pads. the ps vita was released last week with more games than the 3ds ( waitstation) as gathered over a year on the market.

Shok4862d ago

"wii is abandoning its fanbase and nintendo has announced wii u. there wont be any more big releases for the wii when it comes to software"

That's why Xenoblade and The Last Story have both just recently been announced to come out here in the US right? Lol. And Pandora's Tower is coming out in UK. Wii owners are at least getting 3 very epic RPGs, and although it's just 3 games, they're RPGs, so they'll last a very long time.

"the 3ds had to drop its price 30percent a few months after release."

.............and? Lol.

"the wii u will have weak hardware with bad controls again."

We don't know the official specs, but even the rumored specs put the Wii U leaps and bounds above the current gen.

"a big square controller isnt ergonomical enough and will give hand cramps like a 3ds or ds"

Journalists WHO HA"VE ACTUALLY TOUCHED A WII U PAD all say that it's actually very comfortable to hold and is even light-weight.

"the 3ds is an incomplete handheld because its missing parts and people need to buy a second add-on to have 2 slide pads"

I agree that a 2nd pad is needed, but no doubt that'll come in a redesign and the 3DS is doing fine as-is without an extra slide pad. Heck, the DS did fine with just a D-PAD lol.

Try harder troll xD

yabhero4862d ago

I was going to reply to your stupidity with an elaborate answer but Shok did me the favor (Bubble+ for Shok)
I would argue with you about the WiiU specs being weak especially when it look around 6 times current gen and on par with the nextbox but you're someone who expects the PS4 to be packing a double GTX 580 with an intel i7 at like 3.8 GHz and 8GB of RAM...
The 3DS dropped its price and now Nintendo is making profit and the 3DS is approaching 16 million worldwide. Also the ppl who actually played WiiU said the controller is light and comfy. Look on IGN, the dude say he can see himself holding this for a long time. You can keep enjoyiing e exactly same controller. Are you on dualshock 56? or 72? Props to Nintendo for being a somewhat creative. Like Shok I'll give the the second pad one... that was a mistake on their part. How would you know the 3DS cramps your hand? It doesn't do that to mine... In fact I just played MGS3D for 4 hours str8... you wldn't know because you don't have a 3ds... you probably haven't even played one for longer than 10 minutes...

LX-General-Kaos4862d ago

As yabhero stated above. Shock has taken care of another Nintendo hater with style and grace. With Ninja like skills and quick reflexes we have all witnessed another verbal beating full of truth and facts.

These smear articles will do nothing to stop the legendary quest that Nintendo has taken to the top of the gaming landscape.

With just a glimpse at the sales numbers and review scores you can easily see the fine direction Nintendo is headed in. All of these negative articles full of negative comments will do nothing to bring down the house that Mario built.

The Last Story is now available for pre order

Rated E For Everyone

BattleAxe4862d ago

Shok is a kid living in his mom's basement, while Pachter is a financial adviser for people looking to invest in the games industry........Sorry, but I think i'll go with Pachter on this one.

On topic:
I think the 3DS will do really well, but the Wii is pretty much abandoned. While The Last Story, Xenoblade and Pandora's Tower might be good RPGs (I wouldn't know because the only one I've ever heard of is Xenoblade), these are not mass market games like HALO, Gran Turismo or Uncharted, and therefore won't make a very big impact on Wii sales. The Wii was a fad, and like most people know, the casuals that bought the Wii probably played Wii sports a few times and then never touched the system again. These casuals that bought the Wii aren't anxiously waiting to buy a new console.

This brings me to the WiiU. This will unfortunately be the next Sega Dreamcast. Its not going to be able to do anything that the 360 or the PS3 can't already do, especially with the release of the PS VITA, and the possibilities of using that with the PS3 for augmented reality games. Both the PS3 and the 360 are still hot, and with the PS4 and XBOX 720 both releasing within the next 2 years, the WiiU will get drowned out by all the excitement for the next two "real next gen" consoles. Nintendo couldn't have picked a worse release window. I think the WiiU will be lucky to sell the same amount of units as the Game Cube.

phantomexe4862d ago

Hand cramps come on my hand cramps on the vita too. :) i shouldn't of tossed out my porn magazines when i got marred.... what was i thinking.

ChickeyCantor4862d ago

"Shok is a kid living in his mom's basement"

Assuming they have a basement?
Creep much?

theeg4862d ago (Edited 4862d ago )

colwyn,

when i see that pic of yours, i just hit the diagree button, i cannot stop myself.

this isn't an apology or anything really, this confession has meant nothing.

Venoxn4g4861d ago

oh Colwyn, Colwyn, you are like always :)

AdvanceWarsSgt4861d ago

If you're going to troll, try not to make it obvious by agreeing with Pachter on ANYTHING gaming related.

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ThePsychoGamer4862d ago (Edited 4862d ago )

As a publisher they are in dissray, I have never seen any other publisher be so determined in not bring a game over that there fans wanted, not without a decent reason anyways.

The fight for Xenoblade shouldn't have been so big, and then to have Nintendo set the game up for commercial failure is an unacceptable slap in the face to the people in Monolith Studio. They are making the way Sega handled Yakuza 3 (a game that, I might add also require a fan movement to get to the states, but one that never got nearly as big as Operation Rainfall)look good.

As for The Last Story, it douse mark an improvement in Nintendo's publishing polices, but again Nintendo should have done this from the start.

Lets not for get the game Nintendo kept from the west like Fatal Frame 4. Again this was a publisher completely ignoring it's fanbase, wich in this day and age is completely unacceptable.

Honky Kong4862d ago (Edited 4862d ago )

Fatal Frame 2 is coming to Wii soon.

Anon19744861d ago (Edited 4861d ago )

Why don't we look at the facts? Nintendo had to slash it's earnings and had the worst showing it's had in 30 years, revenue is down 40%, revenue in the US has fallen 50% and you've got Nintendo heads publicly apologizing for everything from losses to the 3DS price cut. Company brass aren't out there eating humble pie because the company is a resounding success and everything is running like clockwork.

The mobile game marketplace, which has long been Nintendo's bread and butter, has changed and Nintendo has put out a very traditional console which they've already had to cut the price on while revising the sales forecasts downward by millions.

Add to that the very realistic concerns regarding what we've seen regarding the Wii-U, I think these are all reasons that back up Pacther's comments that Nintendo is in disarray. You can't argue with any of those points - they're just the facts. As a business (and they aren't the only company facing hardship) they're struggling.

And this guy saying the Wii-U would be just fine launching at $399, what planet are you living on?

Blackdeath_6634861d ago

i said this many times before sales dont prove anything my first lesson studying further maths statistics was basicaly the maths teacher that stats is bullshit. if 95 million people bought a game it means that 95 million people bought a game it DOES NOT however mean that they all enjoyed it or that its a good game it maybe down to good advertising(the wii was a very popular christmas present) or even by chance (random event) as other ppl mentioned before nintendo is in disarray not in a financial point of view but in terms of fan base which sooner or later will get bored of the same titles over and over. too early to judge right now and i do think disarray is an over statement but not too far from the truth.

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LX-General-Kaos4862d ago

That is absolutely correct. It makes me happy to see another Nintendo supporter speak the complete truth.

Rated E for Everyone

MySwordIsHeavenly4861d ago

Nobody is strictly a Nintendo supporter. You'd have to be INSANE to JUST support Nintendo. The Wii has the worst line-up of games this generation. Yes, it had some gems, but the massive amount of great games on PS3 and 360 far exceed those of the Wii. You can't deny that.

Nintendo is, in no way, going broke. They're worth more than any company their size.

That being said, I want good games. The PS3 exclusives may not sell as well as the Wii exclusives, but they sure as heck keep me entertained. Sony releases game after game after game and you expect me to just ignore that as a gamer?!?

You, sir, are not a gamer.

Rated M for Mature

Venoxn4g4861d ago

:D :D :D really? if you want to see how many great Wii games has, come here please, see for yourself :)

Best Wii games:

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Good games:

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Decent games:

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and I am not counting Gamecube games that you can play too...

browngamer414861d ago

I strictly support Nintendo and I am anything but insane..you think because you come on here and make an insane blanket statement it makes it true? Whether you like it or not there are MANY solo Nintendo supporters(numbers don't lie..but trolls do)so try to at least come on here with facts in your sh-- talking we have too many baseless Sony trolls on here as it is.

Instigator4861d ago

I'm not going to deny that the PS3 and 360 have more good games than the Wii, but the fact is that the experiences you get on those two consoles are very similar. The appeal of the Wii is that it has unique titles, and enough of them to warrant any "my Wii is collecting dust" argument redundant.

I've had my Wii since 2007 and haven't had any problem finding great games on it. So much so that between it and the DS I still haven't had time to buy the PS3 and PSP I've been planning.

If you, sir, are a gamer, you don't disregard Nintendo. They are not without their faults, but software wise the Wii is well worth it.

LX-General-Kaos4861d ago (Edited 4861d ago )

I see my biggest fan MySwordisHeavenly has followed me to another article.

Its ok I welcome your attention. Even if you are only here to continue your Nintendo smear campaign and stealth rep sony.

If you are going to rep sony at least make it good. Go all out dont be afraid. Im not going to take your bubbles. Learn from the true entertaining sony fans from the old school n4g. You sound like an angry snippy sony fan with a chip on his shoulder.

If you are really that upset man PM me your address and I can have a Nintendo 3DS delivered to you to put a smile on that face. The you too can play the award winning exclusive titles provided to you by Nintendo.

Rated E For Everyone

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Abdou234861d ago

I don't get it, why people keep trying to predict the future and already make up their judgements without any solid information ?!! No one on earth can possibly say for sure what is going to happen in the next 2 years,hell no one can tell what will happen this year when WiiU launches,what will the line-up be or price or amount of sales.

Rated "F" for FANBOYS.

Titanz4862d ago (Edited 4862d ago )

They hate the fact that Nintendo hasn't gone 3rd party yet. What's ironic though, is the fact that Sony knocked Sega off their hardware pedestal.

PirateThom4862d ago (Edited 4862d ago )

I'm pretty much "Sony platforms only" these days.

I grew up with Nintendo being my primary digital entertainment. I still have really good memories of Nintendo when they were one of the most exciting gaming companies and their products were second to none. I still had Sega consoles, but Nintendo were always my favourite consoles.

Problem is, Nintendo don't make products for people in their 20's who still care about gaming. They're still making the same products and experiences that I grew up with... which is fine, just not for me. I'm not saying everything has to be gritty and washed out or else I hate it, but Nintendo never really evolved their games. Mario is still Mario, Zelda is still Zelda. I grew up, Nintendo didn't change, so I had to find a platform that suited me. Nothing will ever be better than the SNES as a console, nothing will ever beat Mario World as a platformer, or Super Metroid as an adventure. I just don't need Nintendo games anymore though.

I tend to find it's Microsoft fans who tended to be old Sega fans anyway.

PopRocks3594862d ago

"Problem is, Nintendo don't make products for people in their 20's who still care about gaming."

That's why Nintendo published Resident Evil 4 and Geist, right?

If you're not into Nintendo games anymore, that's fine. Sometimes people grow out of certain things. But not being developed for adults does not mean a game isn't fun. I know more grown ups who played Mario Galaxy than kids and I know more kids who play Call of Duty than adults. Go figure.

Knight_Cid4862d ago

yeah fire emblem is sure for 10 year olds..........

Id also like to see a 10 year old get through mario galaxy or dk returns, or really 90 percent of the stuff they do

Honky Kong4862d ago

I'm happy monster hunter tri made it to wii.
Zelda skyward sword seemed fun too and I'm 32... Now if I could only finish metroid prime 3 on hard....

PirateThom4861d ago

You're listing games here, but Resident Evil 4 and Geist are Game Cube games, so it's going back a while there to start with, and neither were very good anyway, and Fire Emblem is maybe the exception rather than the rule (and, again, I don't even care for that series anyway, so it's not exactly going to help me like Nintendo more). Having 1 or 2 token games with M ratings just isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a lack of real creativity with new IPs. The Wii's new IPs have been few and far between and most have been "Wii _______" rather than your Doshin the Giants and Pikmins from the Game Cube. Like you're saying, a game doesn't have to be aimed at adults to be fun.

As for Mario and Zelda, those games are still the same as their N64 and Game Cube counterparts, different artstyle, a few new features, but those games are all running off the Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time train of thought. I've been playing Mario and Zelda games since the NES. There's only so much you can take before it does become, well, boring. Not that they aren't well designed games, but they're never stepping outside their comfort zone or enhancing the franchise in any real way.

Drekken4861d ago

Thom, you are right... Nintendo fans are just too strong in this article comment thread.

I don't get it and never will. All I know is I have come to terms that my taste is different than the mainstream. And by judging the products that the mainstream loves... from consoles, to movies, and music. I AM GLAD to not have mainstream tastes.

You are right. Nintendo is for a younger demographic and girls. One guy said: "oh yeah, they had RES4 and geist" and I say LOL!

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AWBrawler4862d ago

no no no. I can vouch that this former SEGA fan is gaming on Nintendo now. The Best Sonic games are on the Nintendo consoles now.

TenkoTAiLS4861d ago

I'm with you on that! After the Dreamcast met it's end i picked up a Gamecube. With the directors cut versions of Dreamcast games and Sega's support for each of it's consoles Nintendo was the way to go for quite a while. Tho now i am a multi-platform kinda guy as there are great games on all consoles. I don't let being a fan or supporter of a single company tarnish my views on great games just because they are made on some other console like a fair few fans do. :)

AWBrawler4861d ago

Agreed, i don't own all, but I do game on all 3 systems, and between me and my staff members for my website, we own all.

AdvanceWarsSgt4861d ago

Dude, I've been saying the same thing for 6 years now. They even use the same tired old arguments from those Sega days.

RockmanII74862d ago

"Michael Pachter is an analyst I trust, and I have never had an issue with his comments."

Not sure if serious.

Motorola4861d ago

You can't pay me to even TYPE that.

tiffac0084862d ago

To all analyst, believe me when I say: "Never underestimate the Big N"

They've proven the majority wrong twice this generation with the Wii and then the 3DS. Never count them out and think they don't know what they're doing because they do.

OcularVision4861d ago

Well they did prove people wrong with the Wii. But they've had several failed products for those who doubt them. Remember the Virtual Boy? LOL
Also, the 3DS sold well-below expectations before the massive price cut. People WILL buy a product at a lower price.

tiffac0084861d ago

And its true the majority will buy a product at a lower price BUT only if its worth buying.

The 3DS at $249 was never really an issue, even when it was found out that it only took $101 to manufacture.

The lack of games and 2nd analog stick was the real issue with the gamers and only the media kept touting the price as an issue, the same can be said with the Vita (regarding the price).

I'm not sure what the original sales expectation of Ninty was on the 3DS but its safe to say, its trending well right now.

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Nintendo Switch 2 sales shatters records, most-sold console in 24-hour period

The Nintendo Switch 2 has set a new record by selling over 3 million units within 24 hours, tripling the PlayStation 4’s previous launch day sales.

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Jin_Sakai11d ago

Crazy. Switch 2 is going to do very well.

darthv7211d ago (Edited 11d ago )

No doubt, but.... the current price is out of the realm of the average parent / kid to buy like the SW1 was. So this launch achievement is from those of us with more disposable income.

The number of SW2 specific titles pales in comparison to the variety of SW1 games that get a performance boost right out of the box on this. And like the SX and PS5 before it, you can bet the majority are going to be using it as a means to better enjoy their existing titles that can benefit.

This may have been quick out of the gate... so was the WiiU. I quite enjoy it for what it is, but am keeping my expectations in check.

GenoPurpel11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

The Switch 2’s price point is great and fine and it’s still cheaper than the current gen of consoles aside from the Series S.

The only place I think they will fall short is their software sales, which also in turn may affect the hardware sales but not significantly. Parents will be fine paying for the system for their kids, but one look at an $80-$90 price tag for a single video game, that is where a lot of people will draw the line. Maybe not so much the people who are in the “willing to pay because I buy deluxe editions anyway” crowd, but for parents specifically, more sacrifices are gonna need to be made in their choices of gifts for their kids.

OtterX11d ago

As a parent of 3 with a very modest income, it was very affordable bc I already had an immense library of games, and the Mario Kart bundle came out to only about €50 more than a standard bundle. Both Zeldas were upgraded w Family Expansion Pass that I already had. Many games were upgraded for free. The only additional game I bought was Fast Fusion for 14.99 which was a great purchase!

Killer2020UK11d ago

People seem to forget that the Switch was $299 at launch which in today's money is roughly $400. That makes the Switch 2 a $50 increase when inflation is taken into account compared to the original.

Yes, people have less spending power on average compared to 2017 (Switch launch year) but this is not the MASSIVE price hike that people are making out Nintendo to be doing.

raWfodog11d ago

“No doubt, but.... the current price is out of the realm of the average parent / kid to buy like the SW1 was. So this launch achievement is from those of us with more disposable income.”

It could also be many people rushing to buy to avoid any possible tariff hikes in the future, but I think it’s still a good sign that many people still want physical consoles. Congrats to Nintendo! I’m not getting one at this time though (unless I get it for a Xmas present for one of my kids).

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1Victor11d ago

Congratulations Nintendo on finding the happy medium between their weak console and their invincible handheld plus learning from Sony and clearly defining the new console from the old unlike their Wii and Wii U just add a higher number simple yet effective 👍👍

victorMaje11d ago

Are people that keen on $90 games?
Is it true some remasters will also be $90?

DankSinatra11d ago

Tell me you don't research without telling me you don't research.

victorMaje11d ago

Nope. I didn’t research, I don’t own any Nintendo consoles and I had read on here something about $90 games on switch 2, so I guess it’s good now, people can calm down. Have a nice day :)

1nsomniac11d ago

I bought the Switch 2 I won’t be buying games at MK prices. I don’t ever pay over £45 for my games. Even my Nintendo switch exclusives I never paid more than £33 for.

franwex11d ago

I think the typo you put was meant to be $80.
Anyway, the answer to those questions seem to be yes.

victorMaje11d ago

Looks like I’ve been enlightened about the amount. Happy to see it’s not $90.

Sgt_Slaughter9d ago

Don't get your news from clickbait TikTokers/YouTubers, only go to the source (Nintendo) or reliable new outlets like IGN.

No game is $90 on the Switch 2, and they will never go there. Most games will be under $80, too.

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gold_drake11d ago

cool
wasnt expecting it not to sell well

Profchaos11d ago

Its crazy that it's both the highest selling console on day 1 and people can walk into a store and buy it with no pre order

Ashunderfire8611d ago

Yup while I was waiting in line from Best Buy for Switch 2, like I did for Switch 1 back in 2017, every waiting 12am was going to get a Switch 2! I was in the no preorder line too!

My friend manage to get 4 Switch 2s at his GameStop store, that was lowkey not busy at all. Got them all for himself and his family. Super easy to get a Switch 2 over PS5.

Profchaos11d ago

The struggle to get a ps5 was real had mates wait over 2 years for stock i got lucky and got it day 1 but still

Ashunderfire8611d ago

I know and I also struggled getting a preorder for the PS5, when Walmart, Best Buy among other retailers open their preorders a day early before most of us realize it. I got my PS5 launch day thanks to YouTube Live Streamer Jake Randell. He helps people get preorders and launch consoles.

Neonridr10d ago

the PS5 also released during a global pandemic.

Ashunderfire8610d ago

It’s funny how I got disagrees for speaking the truth for what I experienced getting the Switch 2. Nintendo had more copies of Switch 2 than Sony for the PS5.

Don’t be butthurt about this very fact. People on here disagreeing with crazy reasons lol

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hiawa2311d ago

Doesn't that mean Nintendo made sure they had plenty of stock available at retail.

Profchaos11d ago

Yeah it's nice to see they prepped for it

adamwparker11d ago

Yeah, I remember reading an article over two years ago with Nintendo stating that they were going to do all that they could to make sure their next console didn't have the PS5/XBox reseller swiping /no stock fiasco happen to them.

Looks like they made sure production met demand. Refreshing to see that the reseller thing didn't trend and I hope a lot of people who bought multiple units for the sole reason to resell then at $1000 are now stuck with them.

jznrpg11d ago

It also means there isn’t a chip shortage when PS5/Xbox came out during pandemic

gold_drake11d ago

to be where fair, we had a current gen come out during covid ha

repsahj11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I remembered I tried 7 pre-order events during the PS5 launch. I gave up and ended up buying 1 from a scalper. But now, I already secured 1 pre-order Switch 2 unit in my country very easy and without problems.

Neonridr10d ago

kudos to Nintendo for ensuring a healthy amount of stock.

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Terry_B11d ago

Unlike the Switch 2 , the Playstation 4 was not sold on the same day in most regions.

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Nintendo Has Confirmed It Will Be Attending GamesCom 2025

Company skipped last year's event.

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Obscure_Observer31d ago

Not surprising at all.

I mean, they´ll be releasing a new console in a few weeks.

repsahj29d ago

I hope they show new Switch 2 exclusive games.

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Nintendo Predicts to Sell 15 Million Switch 2 by March 2026; Switch Has Sold 152.12 Million Units

Nintendo has announced its financial results for the full fiscal year, alongside an update to Nintendo Switch shipments and more data, including a prediction for Switch 2 hardware and software.

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gold_drake42d ago

well, the switch 2 has two holidays in the us, thanksgiving and Christmas.

so id say its fairly possible. the rest of the world will also grab them

Abriael42d ago

Yeah doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility as long as they have enough supply.

Si-Fly42d ago

Do people buy each other games consoles for Thanksgiving? I’m in Europe and always assumed it was just Christmas where gifts were exchanged.

Skate-AK42d ago

I don't think it's so much Thanksgiving, but that Black Friday is the day after.

darthv7242d ago (Edited 42d ago )

That time is often referred to as the start of the Xmas shopping season. For the last few years, retailers would do 'black Friday' deals at various times throughout the year. While many still prefer to start their shopping in the mid to late November, others will just buy when they feel the time (and prices) are right for them.

gold_drake41d ago

i guess its more black friday, should have been more clear ha

GotGame81841d ago (Edited 41d ago )

Thanksgiving kicks off the Christmas Holiday.

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Agent7542d ago

Switch and Switch are a different kettle of fish. A sell out at launch by the diehards, strong sales, then the non diehards will be put off by the £75 ($99) games, including the stupid download cards which are topping £65 ($85). Not rocket science to work out how the Switch 2 is going to pan out. The PS5 has sold well, but games at £70, sales have been low. As game sales drop, prices will rise. Sony could knock out all their games for £40 and still make a killing selling more games. There's no denying that a gaming crash is looming.

Rancegamerx42d ago

I agree, I don't see the Switch 2 selling anywhere near the numbers that these predictions suggest or what the general buzz is implying. While the initial sales will likely be strong, driven by diehard fans, I anticipate a gradual decline. It may not drop off immediately, but over time, sales will inevitably taper.

PRIMORDUS42d ago

Not paying for something that's not worth more than the price it was advertised, which is $449 - $499.

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