PlayStation: "We will probably be the last to announce something"

CEO of PlayStation France expects Sony to be last out of the gate with next hardware.

[Stealth2k]

makes sense

@ some of you

Waiting last was not the right move. The ps3 was dead last in all system sales out of 5.

If they want to be first they need to launch around the others. Ask sony how the vita is doing in japan when it waited

[thedude44]

come on sony hurry! i want to see your next beast, i cant take it anymore!!!!

[ApplEaglElephant]

PS3 has been outselling 360 every year world wide for past 3-4 years.

Otherwise, the gap would not have never closed.

[Solid_Snake37]

Yeah please just announce it Sony!! Wanna see the beast that Sony comes up with

[BattleAxe]

The PS3's tech is solid enough to last another 3 or 4 years. Personally I'll be happy if Sony waits longer this time around. They're still building on the PS3, and they'll be concentrating on the Vita, so it wouldn't make any sense to release the PS4 until either 2014 or 2015 which is really not even that far away.

[tee_bag242]

Launching first isn't necessarily the best move. A late launch can be a devastating advantage over the competitor if the technology is a step above.

[khellendros1]

I'm happy with this generation. When companies max out graphics they start concentrating on whats most important, gameplay and story.

[Soldierone]

Like I've been saying. PS3 CAN last the entire 10 years with hardly any issues. Sony CAN wait that entire 10 years to announce something, the only thing that will make it come earlier is an announcement from Microsoft on a new Xbox.

At that time Sony will play their cards and compete at the same time, they can honestly fire whenever they want and will do so whenever they want.

They won't fall behind, and the only way they will be early is if that 10 years hits before MS announces their console. Sony learned, that year headstart Xbox got still stings in their side.

[decrypt]

Its funny how console gamers are fine with dated technology.

I dont see many people wanting to hang around to a cellphone after its 2-3 years old simply because they think its old tech. Yet these consoles have been holding the industry back for years now and are already 6 years old tech. I wonder how some of you are fine with it lasting a further 2-3 years.

Comon MS & Sony bring on the next locked down low end PCs so industry can finally progress a bit.

[ravinash]

The main reason why PS3 was delayed a year after 360 came out was because of licencing issues with BluRay.
There will be no such issues with the next one, so it would be safe to say as soon as Xbox comes out with it's next one, Playstation will be right there next to it.

[nveenio]

I just hope they ignore third party developers like they did this year. I'd like to see another system that is full of raw power, instead of one that caters to being "easy" to develop for. A lot of third party games run better on other systems, but they run well enough on PS3 to make having all of the incredible exclusives worth it. So I'm hoping they aim for raw power and new rendering technologies.

[NeoBasch]

These low-end PCs set standards for the industry, which can cut down costs dramatically. Consoles are also generally low maintenance compared to computers, which means less hassle for the end user. They stress convenience.

Are TV's better than computers for using stuff like FaceBook, Twitter, and YouTube? No, at least, not necessarily. But the smart aps make it convenient for the end user by integrating all these functions into a single TV.

Matter of fact, TV's are generally more reasonable than most personal rigs when it comes to home theater set-ups. So I guess what I'm trying to say is supposedly "dated" technology can offer a greater convenience by offering limited functions (such as Facebook, Twitter, NetFlix, Xbox Live, PSN, Video Unlimited, Cinema Now, Zune, etc...) that are catered to the home theater enthusiast, which turns your living room into a place for the family to enjoy most any source of entertainment.

Besides, next-gen development is expensive. Developers don't want to rush out and make flashy tech demos just to sate the graphic whores. We've already lost a lot of developers in the transition from PS2 and Xbox to PS3 and X360. Do you want to lose more? I certainly don't. I'd rather wait and transition when costs are relatively manageable for most independent companies.

[Brosy]

They really don't need to wait on launching a new console. If they want to be competitive they need to launch close to the other consoles. Unless they just don't care about competition. Which seems the route Ninny's taking. Who knows we may have a 1-3 year gap between all the next-gen consoles.

I hope they release a beast of a machine. Nintendo poisined the water for "hardcore" consoles. I hope MS follows suit as well and don't put the main focus of the console on the casual audience.

[Gaming101]

The problem is, once you announce it, you take all the attention away from the current system that you've poured billions of dollars into marketing. You need to keep the focus where it belongs if you're a smart business person - which the vast majority of people commenting on the internet AREN'T, and should stop pretending to be.

[THEMIGHTYDOOVDE]

Beast... don't you mean FLOP!

[BrutallyBlunt]

Dead last? That's funny seeing as how the Playstation 3 closed the gap to that of the XBOX 360 in a year less time.

This magical race you present means very little. The Playstation 3 is getting just as much software support from third parties unlike the original XBOX.

[BitbyDeath]

They did lose a lot of marketshare though.

[Jobesy]

Magical race indeed. How can there be a race if the competitors don't start at the same time?

[admiralthrawn87]

its funny how ps3 fanboys changed the story now at the end of the generation. ps3 still hasn't closed the gap.

[sarshelyam]

I'd say they're getting more support LevelHead. Just look at the exclusives hitting Capcom's "Street Fighter X Tekken". None of that seems coached.

At any rate, it doesn't matter. No amount of exclusivity to market did any good for Microsoft in my eyes. I loved the original Xbox, but when it comes to the 360, however, year over year I see the reasons for owning one dwindle as their focus shifts to a demographic I don't fall within.

[GribbleGrunger]

@Admiral: i don't know how this generation has passed you by without it leaving some semblance of reality in your views. 'it still hasn't closed the gap'. you REALLY think that? honestly? i don't know whether you're fresh from the womb and have managed to gum off your mittens to type that, but i'm sorry to have to inform you that it's wrong... very wrong.

the 360 had a lead just under 6 million when the PS3 released. for a while that gap closed but MS dropped the price of the 360. the lead then stretched in favour of the 360 to 8 million. since then the slim has released and the price of the PS3 has dropped too. for the last three and a half years the PS3 has been outselling the 360 which is why that gap has now shrunk to 3 million from 8 million.

now, i ask you, isn't that closing a gap?

[SolidStoner]

IF, I would be SONY i would design several PS4, then wait when my oponents come out and choose a bit better version.. even if I put it out later IT would be better over some period of time its a win win... just like it was with the PS3, we all know it has more good than bad.
Gaming isnt something new nowdays, wait and see tactics works better. In my opinion..

[PetitPiPi]

@ Level Head

Dead LAST with 50% market share out the window.

I agree with you. It is funny!

[sikbeta]

But they already said they are not launching this year and if they launch in these upcoming months, it'll be PSP al over again for Vita, when SCE don't give a s*** about it and only focus on the PS4

I said it already, releasing asap would be the best move, but it'd kill Vita, as in the Manufacturer don't caring about the portable, nothing to do with Vita bombing :P and if they release too late, as in letting the competition walk free in the market alone and they'll be totally Screwed!

@LevelHead

That was when MS didn't launch Kinect, now things are different and Sony is not closing the gap

@erasure242 Below

PS3, yeah, same way as PS2 and PS1, but Sony needs a new console or they'll be beaten hard if they wait so long to release their new console

@DARKrage34

"They were last for this current generation and it only proved to be the right move"

So being in third place with less consoles sold than the competition is a good thing now? no, they're not ok and It wasn't a good move at all, well if they released later but with an AFORDABLE console, things could have been different, but things weren't like that and now Wii-U is about to launch and rumors of Xbox Next are strong, if they wait much, PS4 will fail

[sikbeta]

*AFFORDABLE :P

[Machioto]

@skibeta Why?couldn't they have a commercial that showed all Sony products like it starts with a person playing on a Sony tv,you the ps4 and slick graphics,the person gets a call or something they're like darn!they grab a psvita hook it to the ps4 get the game via remote play leave,if they want show any kind of connectivity between the tv,ps4 or vita they could when the person comes back.

[moparful99]

Last time I checked the ps3 is still selling well.. SO why does it matter that the ps3 is 3rd.. Did the ps3 not only have the better and more diverse selection of games this year? Yes it did.. Not only was it the most sound from an exclusives standpoint but it also had all of the major third party releases.. Sony's making money, fans get their games, third parties make money.. Sounds like sony is doing fantastic in third place.. WHat does the first and second place console have??? EXACTLY...

[frostypants]

They are doing exactly what I said they would all along: they will announce when and only when Microsoft makes a move. They already have the hardware spec'd out should they announce this year, and will make minor upgrades to said specs over time...whenever MS announces, they will as well. It will be based on an upgraded Cell architecture and any additional incremental spec upgrades will have minimal impact on devs who are already developing.

Whenever MS makes a move, Sony will have an announcement ready within 48 hours. I guarantee it. They aren't stupid and there was a method behind the Cell madness. Remember: "scalability".

[xxLuckyStrike]

Sony is still trying to recover revenue lost this gen. Don't expect any announcement soon or super computer in the PS4.. Sony has taken a real good lickin from Microsham and Nintendo this gen. Losing market share and revenue I expect they'll go back to the drawing board next gen. A affordable Mid Range powered console..(see ps1 or ps2)

[tiffac008]

I think announcing last and releasing last are two different things.

Sony is not going to just announce ahead of MS because it will kill the sales of the PS3 and they're trying to get as much return as they can on that system.

They could be as ready as MS for all we know. We'll just have to wait and see.

[xflo360]

Imagine if ps4, Xbox 720 released on the same day!

Which would you buy?

[LiViNgLeGaCY]

That's actually a fantastic question, seeing as I would probably only have enough cash to shell out for one of them day one.

Honestly, I'd have a good look at both consoles and which games are coming to each one. I'd have to weigh my options and see what appeals to me the most at launch, and go from there. It's ALL about the games for me.

[easternbalboa]

the ps4

[BlackTar187]

Man decrypt is why no one likes PC gamers lol

[SonyPS360]

Hell why the Vita, why not ask the Ps3 which is still last in sales since launching?

[Ares84HU]

They won't be the last. This is just an attempt to try to trick us and than give us the surprise at E3 this year or the latest, Tokyo Game Show this year.

[salinidus]

hopefully whenever they do decide to reveal the new console kaz hirai will make it awesome

[erasure242]

The PS3 still has a lot of good years left. No reason to jump the gun...

[2v1]

yea ..still why get left behind

[Pintheshadows]

If Sony is careful, and plans well they could perhaps (not saying they will) release something with far more horsepower than the Nextbox and WiiU later on. This admittedly would be a disadvantage (last out of the gates again, pricepoint). But it could also be an advantage if they nail the launch line up and market it correctly.

[BrutallyBlunt]

The problem with coming out late is you are now the underdog and 3rd party games are no longer synonymous to your platform. Even though games like Mass Effect are now on the Playstation 3 they are still at a disadvantage because the franchise began on the PC and XBOX 360.

Sony already said they don't want to be late to the party.

[SweatyFlorida]

Actually, they could even "skip" next gen, and release a truly powerful console in say 2016-2017 (as prices for powerful tech would have gone down), and have the jump on the gen after the next, learning all the benefits and faults of this gen coming up, and playing a perfect hand next-next gen. Since it will be 4-5 years after the Wii U, it won't be considered being "late".

Of course this means no Ps4 until 2016-2018 for us eagerly waiting for it, however this enables Sony to create a perfect storm, and put the other console companies in a bad position, relying on price cut Ps3's and the Vita to gain cash in their gaming department. This will be a smarter idea then being late a year or 2, as after 4-6 years surely devs will be tired of the tech once again. Just an idea though if Sony is unable to get the PS4 out the gates in a close enough time to the other consoles.

[Half-Mafia]

@Pintheshadows Thats the worst thing Sony could do. Developers would make a PS4 port but they wouldnt put in the extra work/money to get the extra power out of it. So you would end up with the PS4 version having pretty much the same graphics as the 720. And Sony would of lost 1-2 years on the 720.

[Pintheshadows]

@Half-Mafia You're correct. I don't think they will do it. Just a thought. And they would certainly be relying heavily on their first party devs. That's why I added they'd need to nail the launch line up to attract buyers. I agree though, it's a risky game to play.

The one thing I would add is, if it were easy to work with it might actually encourage the 3rd party devs to utilise its power.

[Half-Mafia]

@Pintheshadows If all that played out, I still cant see developers doing that. If we were talking like the PS2 days where they had like 80% of the market then developers would definitely get the most out of the system. But with more evenly share there is no point.

[Solid_Snake37]

@florida that would make no sense at all... Skipping a gen might leave fans a bit sour

[bennyace]

@Solid_Snake37 You're right. Sony just came out 1 year after Microsoft and lost half of it's market share... Imagine 2-3-4 years!

[BrutallyBlunt]

A lot of us want to play games in 1080p. It is true that even now the games still look great like the upcoming MLB The Show but when you see games like Battlefield 3 on the PC now you really start to see just how much better games could be on a new console. We also see games like Skyrim that could really improve on new hardware.

[Sprudling]

I feel sad for those whose decision to buy a game depends on whether it's 720p or 1080p.

[OcularVision]

@Sprud Nobody (at least that I know of) bases their game purchases on resolution. It would just be real nice to have native 1080p games on our HDTVs that can display 1080p.

[kaveti6616]

"I feel sad for those whose decision to buy a game depends on whether it's 720p or 1080p."

I feel bad for those that don't even have the choice.

[GreedyPopcorn]

Just think about consoles based on the same Gpu's as a 580.With optimization the graphics would be 2x better than BF3.

[BrutallyBlunt]

@Sprud

Your comment is like saying you feel sad people want to move to bluray from DVD. I don't base my decisions on if game A is only at this resolution I won't buy it. I am saying that the game would be better if it did have higher resolution, learn the difference.

So go ahead and play Twisted Metal on your old Playstation, I will be playing it on my Playstation 3. See what I'm saying?

[thedude44]

im already giving the ps4 a thumbs up because ive been satisfied since 1994

[BitbyDeath]

Sony have the widest range of developers/games which is why i stay with them, if anyone else could do better than Sony then i'd happily switch.

Games are important.

[specialguest]

Sometimes I forget that the Playstation has been around since 1994. We could thank Nintendo for inadvertently triggering the birth of the Playstation. If it hadn't been for that, Nintendo and Sega would've still been battling each other.

[solar]

i agree kav. proprietary systems ftl.

[DARKrage34]

They were last for this current generation and it only proved to be the right move.

Sony has developed a strong brand name and hardware that is capable of 'longlasting value'. Why the hell would they suddenly need to match the competition with a new system? They're smart enough to out-advance them again within a year.

Let the Vita take off first, too... sheesh.

[gamingdroid]

Because, once the Wii-U drops and support gains for it from both consumers and developers, a second (or third) entrant won't garner the support necessary.

The market is ready for a new console and Nintendo is first out of the gate. MS is essentially forced to release in 2013 to prevent Wii-U from getting a too strong a foothold.

So the pressure will most definitely be there on Sony and MS, when the competitor IS out!

[Heartnet]

imo the Wii-U will never gain the same market as the ps3 and xbox 360 has ever as the Wii has been out so long its already chosen its tarket market and everyone knows that so they wont go for that console for fps and what not...

And many parents (which is what the wii brand was aimed at) wont see the point in getting what looks like the same console with the same motion controls etc as they already own the wii.... Sony and MS know this and can bide their time as the Wii-U wont steal their market anytime soon

[gamingdroid]

@Heartnet

The Xbox was relatively unknown and Playstation reigned supreme previous generation, yet at release the Xbox 360 sold like hotcakes. Nintendo came back from being third.

So the take from all this is, don't base the future on the past. When a new generation starts, everything is reset!

[tehpees3]

@ Heartnet

I like the way you underestimate Nintendo. You talk like there aren't any hardcore gamers in Nintendo's market. Heres a fact: people will buy Wii U regardless.

While Nintendo might not be strong on the FPS market right now thats not to say its going to change. This is completely new console and a completely new start for Nintendo. And one thing I can guarantee is they are definitely strong in the Japanese side of games. Something like Final Fantasy or Tekken could easily sell more on Wii U than on Xbox. Look at Soul Calibur II as an example. It crushed the Xbox version in sales. Nintendo could have that side of the market nailed harder than MS. Probably since Xbox doesn't sell in Japan.

Capcom have also consistently seen strong sales on Nintendo systems. Despite the troubles originally facing it several Resident Evil games sold on Gamecube and both SSFIV and Mercenaries have sold to their expectations on 3DS (Street fighter IV selling over 1 million). And Monster Hunter is also selling like hotcakes. There is more to the "hardcore" market than just FPS games and both Sony and Nintendo have the advantage in the Japanese side of it.

[PC_Enthusiast]

I hope Sony puts a nVIDIA gtx 560 TI in the PS4 with 3-4 Gb of ram update the 50 Gb bluray disc to 100 Gb and make a better Playstation network for a fall 2013 launch the price should be around 400 to 450 dollars i think...

[Rage_S90]

I don't think nvidia is in the console race any longer. So it will probably end up being an amd card.

[Machioto]

Rumors are a high end variant of the powervr rogue is suppose to be in ps4.

[Heartnet]

Theres already 100gb Blu Ray disk lol its just the Blu Ray driver cant run in the ps3 isnt fast enough to play certain blu rays.. thats why on some games you have the mandatory install :)

[Kur0]

560 is outdated...

[specialguest]

If the PS4 is released during the end of 2013 or sometime during 2014 with a 560, those specs are definitely outdated.

[BubloZX]

Better than rumored wiki and next box gpus

[DeadlyFire]

I vote Power8(2013) for CPU of PS4. Potentially up to 16 cores. 4 SMT threads per core or more? Which equates to 64 processing threads. Sounds delightful. Sony is going to build a machine that lasts for say 15 years. Its going to have to take a step towards this tech over the other tech on the market.

Other two consoles are rumored to sport Power7 or Power7+ CPUs. Which both only hit 8 cores at most with 4 SMT threads. A 16 core Power8 design would be twice as powerful and floor the competition.

[Snakefist30]

How abut using GTX 580????

[Moac]

They did launch their console last and they have the more "powerful" console.

Either they will announce some news on the ps4 if Microsoft reviles the xbox720 at E3 or next year.

I do think Sony will outsell the xbox 360 by years end.

Once xbox 360 had a 10mil lead, now its 3mil.

:)

[PC_Enthusiast]

it's actually even now not 3 million

[Azurite]

@I_OWN_YOU: Source on that?

[DebateMaster]

Its less than a million now. Plus you kinda suck at calculations.

[madpuppy]

"if Microsoft reviles the xbox720 at E3"

???

why would MS talk badly about it's own product??? :P

[torchic]

I agree with this guy Sony will probably end up showing something last. but not as late as they did with the PS3.

I like how Sony seems so chill about the PS4. I honestly do believe that they are taking their time with it. I mean I'm pretty sure research is definitely going on for next-gen consoles but, not at a frantic pace. they seem satisfied at how the PS3 is going now, so they don't want to ruin the momentum.

[gamingdroid]

The momentum will be ruined by Nintendo or it is at least a potential risk!

[pandaboy]

The fat cats at Sony will not be so chill about it at all. They are in a sticky situation; wait and release a new console a while after the competition risking a dampening of sales, or take a chance and release early or on a par but therefore cutting the profit margin on the ps3 which they are still desperately trying to recoup/expand after all these years.

[Half-Mafia]

Sony seems to be talking about the PS4 very freely over the last few months. While we havent heard a single word from MS.

[dmonee]

Just relax Sony! No need to rush. Don't make the same mistake twice.

[OcularVision]

The mistake they made last time was revealing the PS3 and then releasing it a year and a half later. The 360 launched in 6 months. The mistake was that they launched late... oh and the commercials were creepy as heck.

[Silly gameAr]

They announced the development of the PS3 halfway through the PS2's life cycle. I remember reading about the rumored specs in an old PSM mag when it was around. I still have it somewhere in my closet.

[Zha1tan]

Dispicable mega corpration that supports ACTA, SOPA & PIPA.

And to people commenting congratulating a mega corpration on making more money.....do you not see how fundamentally messed up that really is?

[Hicken]

Check your facts, Mr. "I play mostly PS3 and PC."

No, really. Check.

[Zha1tan]

Facts?

SO because i play PS3 does not mean I cannot under recent developments oppose SONY?

strong logic

[zerocrossing]

PS4 should at least get announced this year/next year, and to those of you worried aboit the PS3 getting droped don't if anything it'll still get support for a good few years.

[tiffac008]

I don't think Sony will not announce anything until MS makes their move because Sony would rather continue to make profit with the PS3 after the very rough start that it had (profitability speaking).

2013 E3 is my earliest prediction, if not then in TGS of the same year.

[zerocrossing]

Yeah, Sony seem pretty relaxed atm about moving into next gen, whenever they're ready Im ready =)

Well that's if I have the cash xD

[prodg52]

People seem to forget that Sony released the PS3 last because they wanted to further test the cell chip before they released the system. To me that was a good thing. Why release early and not have a well tested machine.

[BitbyDeath]

Blue diodes

[DragonKnight]

That's not why. They released last because they had problems with the bluray diode production.

[Half-Mafia]

And the 360 was rushed to market, making it seem like it took even longer for the PS3 to come out.

[manman6]

Sony should be in no rush to release a new console. Their console is selling and it doesn't look like it is stopping anytime soon. And if Sony do rush their next console we will be looking at a $600 price tag again and no body wants that.

[GreedyPopcorn]

The PS2 is still selling so by your logic the PS3 should not have been released.

[JeffGUNZ]

@manman6. Worst logic ever. This is one of the biggest gaps between new console generations, people are itching for a new console, especially with the advances in TV/Audio and game engines. You're telling me if a xbox system releases at the rumor talk of 8X powerful then the 360, the PS3 has nothing to worry about? Give me a break. Why do you think the 360 became such a beast this generation when the numbers for the original xbox were nothing to write home about? The 360 launched first and was the new and best tech. on the market. Same will happen again. If Sony does not launch at the same time or within a month or two of the nextbox, it will do worse then the ps3 did this generation.

I Can't believe some think it should go another 4 years or so. The market already spoke this generation, consumers want what's new and what's out. Sony should know how important it is to launch close.

[manman6]

It doesn't come down to which console release first there are more thing that plays into if a console is going to sell than its release date. If you take a good look at this so called console war the Wii is in the lead and was release a year later just like the PS3. So it doesn't matter who release their console first rather than can the Big Three convince consumers that they product is the best (Like Microsoft did with the 360.
For Sony to truly make their next console a worthwhile machine they going to have to take time and think what consumer really what, rather than slapping a console together just to beat Microsoft or Nintendo to the market.
Do I think Sony console could last 4 more years? No. But, when Sony think the time is right to release a console they will release. No matter if it is next year or 3 years from now, but Sony should not rush the making of the PS4 just to please people who want PC like graphic.

[JeffGUNZ]

I agree with you on that Sony needs to put together a smart console. Well, specifically, they need to provide a cost effective system. Sony can't survive another launch at a ridiculous price point in an economy like this.

[yokokoroma]

Why is PS4 an issue? the PS3 is coming into it's prime now! This year is going to be record breaking for the system! There are Japan PS3 exclusives on the horizon, namely "One Piece: Kaizoku Musou" that are go to do something never seen before! (i.e. global sales) The now localized Tales Of Graces F, which is the first Tales the PS3 has seen this gen (here in NA)

As far as the PS4 goes, don't expect it anytime soon. The specs (i.e HDD Size [TB?], supported peripherals, etc...) of the system have to be decided, as well as other technical aspects. SONY knows that when they unveil the PS4, it has to surpass the PS3. If one were to assume, what type of features the PS4 may have, it would be something close to the Vita (as PSP's abilities were transferred to the PS3) i.e. touch screen (via controller or on the PS4) Theres also the issue of the medium which the system will play (i.e Blu-ray, or digital based) If announced the price would be immense, and SONY knows it. (People would complain or not buy it at all)

[Knightofelemia]

I personally am enjoying the PS3 great console. But being last in my eyes is being cautious. That way a next gen console gets the tests it needs. Remember Microsoft was first out the gate and half of the first gen 360's cooked them selves. Thats what happenes when you launch a new product without doing some heavy testing. Even thoe Sony was late out the gate and they had quite the hiccup with the PS3 the console has proven itself with the great games like killzone 3 and Uncharted 3. Xbox has come quite away to from being a console known to RROD to something that might actually last more than three years. Sony will hide the PS4 its like area 51 the army denies its existance but everybody knows its there.

[Animals_as_Leaders]

Long overdue imo. I don't care if it has only a mid range gpu in it; it would still be a massive jump over what we have now.

[mayberry]

Only people who seem to want new hardware are 360 only owners. Sony has NO reason to launch new hardware! All the multi's and all the exclusives out already, plus all the multy's and exclusives on the way say "I don't need new hardware!"

[hellvaguy]

Theres at least a half dozen reasons why some people want new Sony hardware. You may not agree with them, but there are a bunch of legit reasons. (more ram for cross chat. more power so games that push the graphic boundaries arent so linear/on rails, better a.i. to name a few).

[mayberry]

Some may want a new PS, but for "cross game chat" -I personally would never use it. "better A.I." until multi-platform games A.I. matches even remotely close to killzone 2/3's awesome A.I... I dont need that either. "linear/on rails"- Sony has Infamous 1/2-open world plus great A.I and awesome graphics, and after playing the awesome "STARHAWK" demo, I'm blown away at whats still arriving om the ps3! I paid the $600.00+ launch price, and have gotten my money's worth out of it so far, but there's alot left in the system!

[smashcrashbash]

Yes, can't wait for everyone to rush out their consoles again /s. It worked out so well this gen. Just what we need, another broken console fiasco all over again. They rush and give us junk so they can say 'we'll fix it' for the next 3-4 years.

[DrFUD]

All this next gen talk and it's easy to see the path for next gen.

Nintendo being the first out the gate gets my buy and it will hold me down until Sony releases the PS4.

Sure MS is gonna release before Sony but Nintendo will have them beat and between Nintendo and the PS3 I can easily wait until PS4 because MS doesn't have anything that makes it hard to.

I'm tired of God of War and Gears of War and Halo and Uncharted at this point.

Thing is Sony has a bunch of options so games like The Last of Us is fresh

[dc1]

I never can be tired of the uncharted series.
The stories, characters and acting are way to good.

[Half-Mafia]

Thats what happened to me this gen. I couldnt wait any longer for the PS3. So I ended up buying a 360. And over the years ive become a PC and PS3 only gamer (360 RROD).

For next gen though im just going to be getting the PS4. the WiiU is cool but its just going to be like every Nintendo console. A Nintendo franchise console. I have no interest in getting the next xbox but I like follow the rumors of both consoles.

[DFresh]

Seeing as how Wii U comes out November 2012 and Xbox 720 comes out November 2013 (Rumor?) it's only obvious that PS4 will come out November 2014.

-Wii is done this year and is now Wii U time to shine.
(Q4 2012)

-Xbox 360 has 1 year before Xbox 720 comes out.
(Q4 2013)

-PS3 has 2 years before PS4 comes out.
(Q4 2014)

Technology moves forward whether people are ready to upgrade or not.

Expecting that PS4 will come out in 2014.

I'll be upgrading to that platform in 2015 when the hardware price comes down and the software expands.

Buying anything at launch is not a smart idea due to hardware reliability and lack of software.

My hardware plans:

-PC:
Just got finished building my rig awhile ago and will upgrade from my ATI 6870 (GPU) to ATI 7970 (GPU) in 3-4 years when the prices comes down for those GPUs and 4K HDTVs become more standard.

Also add 2GB DDR3 RAM making it 6GB RAM from my 4GB RAM I have currently.

I'm also glad current motherboards support the new GPU being made by ATI/NVIDIA.

(2016)
----------------------------- -----------------------------
-PS4 (Q4 2014) = I upgrade 2015 from PS3 to PS4.
----------------------------- -----------------------------
As of now I won't need to upgrade for the next 3-4 years.
Fine with me.

:)

[Allowen]

if the rumors are true that the new Xbox will be around ONLY 20% more powerfull then a WiiU this means one very important thing to me :

Multi plataform games should be able to launch for both consoles like it happens now bettewn Xbox 360 and the PS3.

With that said I would not be surprised if 3rd party games starts launching at the same time for the PS4, WiiU, Xbox720 and PC.

[Venjense]

I say be a year later again and take whatever hardware 720 has and make PS4s a little bit better (more RAM, faster CPU and better GPU) and launch at the same price.

Better multiplats and more exclusives would mean the only card MS has is online which I definitely commend MS for but Sony could just copy the functionality and offer it free still.

[Ginesis]

I believe Sony will be the last ones out of the gate for next-gen and honestly they'll be ok if they did that. If it's one thing this current gen has taught us. It's that three systems can and will co-exsist. Third-party developers wouldn't be that stupid to pull their support from a Playstation console. That wouldn't be very intellegent from a business standpoint. I think PS4 will come out 6-8 months after Microsoft's next machine and I don't think will see as big of a technological jump from current gen to next as we have seen in the past. One thing I know for sure is that these next batch of consoles will be affordable. Especially with the world economy the way it is.

[prodg52]

I actually feel that Sony can release the PS4 at any time. They said that all the R and D was done with the PS3. It would be better if they would lead the next gen instead of releasing as a reaction to Xbox.

[SnotyTheRocket]

I Can wait.....

[KontryBoy706]

Sony could just beef up the PSN and speed up the XMB and that could hold us off for a year or so. Just keep the games coming on the PS3. Sure we would all like something with better graphics 1080p 60fps but the PS3 has proven to be a beast of a system and the library has gotten huge

[BitbyDeath]

We'd need a faster processor/more RAM etc for that to happen. This is the main reason i want a new console. Improved OS.

[Gothdom]

I don't speak for anyone else, only for my case.

I don't care if Sony announces anything last, as a 32 year old gamer, I'm not gonna buy anything else next generation but playstation. Ps1 brought me what nintendo left aside after snes. I always found the n64 beautiful but lacking in the department of games.

The ps2 brought so much stuff, I was overwhelmed, although the launch games were kinda lacking, in the end I've felt like the number of classics almost equaled the NES gen (in %).

The ps3 did what the others didn't do. I have the chance to play stuff I'll never see anywhere else and the stuff the others do don't interest me in the least.

Now, growing old, having my own store, I don't have much time for gaming anymore, but I know that if I buy a playstation, I'll get a library of games that will bring me fun, immersion and bang for my bucks.

I know some of you won't do the same, and your reasons might be good enough for your tastes, but I know where I'll go.

[mysterym]

The N64 had Super Mario 64 and Mario Kart 64, that alone was worth the price of admission.

[kingPoS]

If the PS4 plays PS3 bluray games then I'll content.

[Colonel_Dante]

I dont mind waiting..
if that equates to it being the most powerful. The PS3s strength paid off this get. Best exclusives.

[Raoh]

LOL for the first 3 years every game out for the ps3 and 360.. also came out for the ps2...

at a lower price of say $199, the ps3 will be able to run most of the third party games that will be out for the xbox 720 and the wiiU. The 360 maybe but not for as long as the ps3 and definitely not the wii. Not including exclusives keeping the ps3 fresh unlike the 360 and wii by that time.

Hell the ps2 still kicks 360's ass in japan every few weeks.

Don't expect a PS4 until sony is ready to retire the PS2.

I don't mind waiting.

[hellvaguy]

Whys japan such a bragging point for sony fans? its like 1/50 the sales that north america or europe does.

[Raoh]

Whys japan such a bragging point for sony fans?

when you look at US sales ms beats sony, when you look at world wide, Sony is not only catching up but overtaking ms.

Also it is important for the sony haters to realize some basic economics. The US dollar is so weak right now that even if sony outsold the xbox in the US, they would lose money in the exchange rate from Dollars to Yen. Selling better in Europe and Japan helps their bottom dollar. No one wants to lose out on sales overseas, don't for a second think that ms does not care about japan. But selling well in your home country is always the first goal.

MS beat out Sony in the US.
Sony beat out MS in Japan and Europe, (where the Euro trounces the US dollar as well).

What makes that exchange rate so symbolic is not just in hardware sales. Every time gears of war sells well, there is a partnership with Epic that MS has to split, every time a Sony first party game sells at least one million units in UK and JPN its money it splits with no one.

It's important and used to combat the sony haters that think sony is doing that bad in the gaming industry.

Again if it were insignificant, the sales gap between playstation and xbox would have been higher than the 10 million 5 years ago and instead it has shrunk and kept shrinking.

Why do xbox fans only count the US?

[gamernova]

Saving the best for last. Classic Sony.

[theeg]

do you guys really think the next xbox will not be out in 2012?

i am almost 100% sure it will launch by november 2012.

the thing is 7 years old, it's coming in less than 9 months.

i'm saving this post, wanna see who thinks it's coming in 9 months and who thinks its not coming for 21 months.

we need all new consoles very badly.

720p is ancient and unnecessary
jaggies are ancient and unnecessary
20-30 frames per second is ancient and unnecessary

we need 1080p
60 frames
4x anti aliasing
better textures
real hdr
ssao
dx11 tesselation

and so much more

the pc is already gone 2 full generations beyond consoles

it is somewhere now where next gen consoles cannot even pray and hope to attain;

1600p
120 frames per second
3D in every game
16x-64x FSAA
16x AF
DX11

that will not happen on console till next, next gen, maybe and it is reality now on pc, it's time for new consoles!

[WitWolfy]

Nah im predicting the latest Nov 2013.. 2012 just seems too soon, it might just hurt their marketing on the remaining consoles on the shelves much like the Wii at the moment... Not selling AT ALL!

[ThirstyforFanta]

"Too soon" LOL

[green]

I agree. I have this feeling that Microsoft will launch their next console november 2012. Microsoft have always launched products during the fall Xbox, WIndows 7, Windows phone 7 and Kinect. Even their biggest games all get fall release windows.

People should not also forget that the 360 was unveiled a few days before E3 2005 and launched world wide fall that year.

[m23]

There won't be a new Xbox this year:

http://n4g.com/news/930677/...

I could see it from before as well, with Halo 4 releasing this year, why would they release another console at the same time? It has been confirmed several times that Halo 4 is a 360 title.

[Brettman2008]

All the rumours I've seen point to a late 2013 launch for the next Xbox. And I think that the next Playstation will launch at about the same time. I don't think Sony will have a later launch this time. And with Halo 4 launching late this year I think it would be madness for the next Xbox to be released at the same time as Halo 4 would take away from its launch.

[Cra2yey3]

I don't mind waiting at all. The ps3 is alive and kicking. The wii has died quickly and the 360 is dying fast. That is why Sony is being smart about this, this time around. Ps. Sony, put some damn vents in the system so it doesn't suck itself to dust and ylod.

[TheLastGuardian]

Saving the best for last.

[Venjense]

Everyone is always happy with the current gen until they see what they could have in the next one.

I can't wait till PS4 and Next Box

[mayberry]

Some may want a new PS, but for what? "cross game chat" -I personally would never use it. "better A.I." until multi-platform games A.I. matches even remotely close to killzone 2/3's awesome A.I... I dont need that either. "linear/on rails"- Sony has Infamous 1/2-open world plus great A.I and awesome graphics, and after playing the awesome "STARHAWK" demo, I'm blown away at whats still arriving om the ps3! I paid the $600.00+ launch price, and have gotten my money's worth out of it so far, but there's alot left in the system!

[THC CELL]

ps4 will be double the power of next gen consoles. developer friendly like psv

[Droid Control]

Probably?

[LiquifiedArt]

sony need one major thing next gen, a fully featured operating ayatem that can be easily expanded with new features.

The OS is the one thing that xbox360 had in spades this gen.

[CanadianTurtle]

You know what? I think that sony will has learned their lesson. I think they will have more launch titles this time. Even if their console is last to come out.

Hey look at the PS3, it was last to come out, but now it's selling like hot cakes eversince the slim came out.

[zero_cool]

I'm not interested in the politics of gaming i'm interested in the quality,the content variety & the overall experience of the product.Besides im not in any hurry for next gen & im confident enough to know im not alone.

Cheers Gamers & Happy Gaming!

[plmkoh]

Well of course they will be the last to announce their console, their conference on E3 is a day later than Microsoft duh.

[Neko_Mega]

Yeah, the Wii is slowly dyeing from the lack of games and anyone caring about it.

360 is killing their fans with Kinect games, so their is no need for Sony to make a new system. But that doesn't mean they aren't working on the idea's for it.

I see it coming out about the same time PS3 did with PS2.

[mechanicleman]

sales are irrelevant considering PS3 has been on the market for a shorter time.

[joex]

Sure. Sony will wait to copy everything that Microsoft and Nintendo launch.

[archemides518]

BOOOO!!!!!

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Sony has too much on there plate. Vita, Last Of Us, rumored Syphon Filter and God Of War. The PlayStation crowd has plenty to look forward to plus plenty of untapped potential. You guys are just getting snobby and greedy now.

[Legionaire2005]

If I was the CEO of Sony I would say this for the future, Hello Ladies and gentlemen its the PS4 Live at E32013!!!(the crowd cheers as usual then stop) Get ready!!! bang!!! PS4 spec Nvidia GTX 600 Series bang!!! 8 F**king Ram!!! Price at $400 dollars!!! We found a way to make it cheaper than the PS3 when it launched back in 06. Get Ready for the games announcements!!!( The crowd cheers loud). Bang!!! Twisted Metal 2 PS4!!! Metal Gear Solid 5(with the Fox Engine) timed exclusive for the PS4, GTA 6 Vice City another timed exclusive for PS4, bang!!! God of War 4!!! LittlebigPlanet 3!!! The long awaited Agent for PS4!!!(delayed from PS3). Fear Effect 3!!! Dino Crisis 4!!! and bang bang bang!!!! Sony Vs Nintendo Vs Microsoft Vs Capcom!!! Heavenly Swords 2, Uncharted 4!!! Killzone 4!!! Socom 5!!! Duke Nukem F**K The World(FTW) timed exclusive and its better this time!!! Demon Souls 2 yes people its a PS4 exclusive(The crowd goes crazy) Wow that's a mouthful we got there people!!! Get ready for this people!!! Last but not least Half Life 2 Episode 3 and Half Life 3!!! Two games in one!!! Timed exclusive for PS4 all during launch!!! PS4 will release November 8th 2014!!! In the mean time you can play all of these games on the show floor!!! great demos!!! (The crowds goes crazy even louder). Man is this the best E3 Nuff said!!!!!!

[ilovemyps3]

With a known 30% failure rate, and these are the official numbers everybody knows, it goes like this:

---------Xbox360 sold---------, year xxxx,month yy

bought by customers - 10 000 000
Peter gets a rrod,can't be fixed, Microsoft sends peter a new Xbox. +1
Jonh got banned, had to buy a new xbox. +1
Peter plays on the 2nd xbox.4 months later, it dies,microsoft sends new one +1
microsoft extends warranty.john Xbox dies.can't be fixed, gets a new one. +1

With such a failure rate, this is how 10-15 million Xbox360 are 'sold'.

Nuff said

[Zephol]

this year in e3. Announce xbox 720!!

[Old McGroin]

Couldn't give a fudge about console sales races or anything like that, I just can't wait to see what the next gen Uncharted and Gears look like, hurry up already!

[ironmonkey]

doesnt matter when they announce them, ill be ready to get em both.

[Brettman2008]

This seems to confirm no new Xbox in 2012.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[InTheZoneAC]

people that are calling for ps4 probably have not experienced half of what the ps3 can do or half the solid games that are available for it right now.

give it some time, it can wait. Unlike the end of ps2 days, I'm not even thinking about ps4 because the ps3 still feels fresh. That may not be the case with the 360, but ps3 owners and knowledgeable people know the ps3 be here a little longer than those 2 other consoles...

[flyinrhyno]

I just hope cross console games will be developed as best they can, its sad when ps3 games have to be dumbed down so they will work on xbox

[dmonee]

I'm not saying that Sony should wait and do nothing. I just wouldn't announce a system that is more than a year away. Take it slow, little tidbits of information, don't show any sort of "Fake" target video's, and when things are working and there are some playable's, then announce it. It seems that in the beginning of this gen, we we're showered with all of these, "what could be" pics, and videos. Some of them we're close, and others (ahem madden football) still haven't reached their target. Give us the truth, we will like the truth. If it looks good, it will taste good. No reason to cheat. As for Microsoft. They need to show some 1st party IP's besides Halo, Forza, and Fable, to get me erect again.

[theeg]

a new xbox will be out in less than 9 months, i'm saving this post ...i am 100% sure there will be a new xbox this year and halo 4 will be a launch title, the 360 is 7 years old, a dinosaur, same with ps3, ancient, sub-hd, outdated

time for new consoles!

cannot wait.

[THEMIGHTYDOOVDE]

What with the PS3's poor OS, online features and place at the bottom of the current gen console war coupled with the fact Vita is bombing left right and centre in its key territory, im not suprised Sony aren't in any rush to put out another poorly concieved, poorly designed console Im sure they've had enough of being the laughing stock of the gaming world for the time being!

[kingPoS]

Here are my guesses.
WiiU Sep-Nov 2012
720 Mar-May 2013
PS4 Jul-Sep 2013