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Sex Negativity & Skyrim

BH writes: "Odds are there is someone in your life who is spending their evenings slaying Dragons and amassing treasure in the most played game of 2011, Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. Skyrim is an open world role playing game (RPG) created by Bethesda Softworks and is set in a fictional, mostly medieval, swords and sorcery land called, Tamriel. It is a game where I expected to be killing and looting, but never expected to be slut-shaming."

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Solid_Snake372931d ago (Edited 2931d ago )

this has nothing to do with the article but the world needs to see this Skyrim mod video: Macho Dragon mod

Solid_Snake372931d ago

COULD THE LEGENDS BE TRUE?! HAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

sonicsidewinder2931d ago

That's because the quest writing in the game is friggin' poor.

Pushagree2931d ago

This article really hit the nail on the head, exposing the double standards of sex in today's society. Feminists are right to say that women are unfairly ostracised for sleeping with two men a year, but if a man sleeps with 2 women a week, he's a legend! Women get branded as whores by other less attractive women because they are jealous, simple as that. It's no wonder no one can get liad anymore. I say we need more promiscuity and more sluts. It would solve the rising rape problem we have thats for sure.

The Killer2931d ago

u have corrupt mentality. u going to the direction of immorality and evil. promoting sluts will only increase the rapes, because men will think women r sluts, so it will be easier for them to rape them.

in many muslim countries, they dont have sluts and whores publicly, yet the rape is the least compared to USA and many western countries.

truly the devil agents will not stop to try corrupt this world until the judgment day.

danielle0072931d ago (Edited 2931d ago )

....I agree with the first part of your statement, but DISAGREE COMPLETELY with the rape nonsense, and naming woman sluts at all, really.

A rapist will rape regardless. Just because a woman is sexually active -- OH BOY 3 TIMES A MONTH in this particular case -- does NOT mean she'll give it up to whoever wants it.

Rapists don't get to blame it on a "lack of sluts," or anything else for that matter. It is no one's fault but their own disgusting selves, and the vast majority of men wouldn't rape someone just because they haven't had sex in a while. Rape isn't even about lack of having sex, anyways. It's about power.

Tbh, this is probably the worst thing I've ever heard on N4G.

Pushagree2931d ago (Edited 2931d ago )

Right and wrong are subjective and undefinable terms, my friend. You may see sex as immoral because some book told you it was, but the fact is that sex is the reason you are alive, sex is natural, and sex has been proven to relieve stress, lower blood pressure, and raise self esteem. The whole idea of religious organizations labeling sex as the devil's act is just ludicrous to me. People are programmed by nature to want to have sex. Repressing it leads to many disaterous results including increased rape (which is not about "lack or power" Stop watching Criminal minds.). Just ask any catholic priest.

JBaby3432930d ago

^^ Religious groups don't label sex as "the devil's act". Christianity is a proponent of sex as long as it's within marriage to keep both men and women from being sluts and cheapening what should be an intimate thing. Of course we are all here because of sex and of course it's natural and we all have a sex drive. The Bible (the "book" I'm assuming you were referring to) says to "multiply and fill the Earth". Plus that's the only method of procreation so of course if God made it that way then He intends for people to do it. So religious groups are not against sex. I don't know where you even get that from.

What you mention about Catholic priests is one of the possible results of repressing a natural urge. Of course Catholicism restricting priests to wed is not Biblical. The Apostle Paul said it's better not to wed because you can devote yourself more to God but he also goes on to say that not everyone can lead a celibate life so if you want to marry then there is nothing wrong with that. Catholicism has a lot of un-Biblical things though so that's another conversation.

Lastly, your contention that right and wrong are subjective and undefinable is... well... wrong. If that were true then there would be no basis for any laws or rules of any kind because everyone would then have their own idea of right and wrong so we might as well throw out the whole legal system and any sense of order. There has to be an absolute or chaos ensues. In the US we get it from the Bible as God's Word. It's gotten us this far so you might give this "book" a chance or at least a more thorough read.

I think we all can agree that the double standard for men and women is wrong.

bobrea2930d ago

A key that opens many locks is a master key, a lock that is opened by many keys is a SLUT

HumanStark2930d ago

Boy, was I on board with you until the third sentence there where it turned into some twisted, misogynistic nonsense.

The Killer2930d ago (Edited 2930d ago )

@JBaby343

he got his ideas from anti religious movements.

As regarding to the bible, it sad to see people taking Paul word more than Jesus (peace be upon him) words. christianity today is nowhere near of what the original Gospel of Jesus was.

and please, when u make a heavy statement, u need to back it up. Bible is the word of God? i believe it has some words of God but not all of it.

and by the way, muslims believe in the same God which Jesus (peace be upon him) believed, and prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) also believes in Jesus and even met him. The Quran is the last and final revelation from God, and it is preserved and not being changed by 1 letter as God promised, so why dont you give it a chance and see what it says? u may start with chapter 19, since it is titled Maryam/Marry the mother of Jesus. u would hear Jesus talking differently than what the bible says about him.

and with the Quran, it is proven scientifically that is from God, with the many miracles it contains.

check it out here: http://quranexplorer.com/Qu...

Tameel12930d ago (Edited 2930d ago )

"u have corrupt mentality. u going to the direction of immorality and evil. promoting sluts will only increase the rapes, because men will think women r sluts, so it will be easier for them to rape them."

No! NO NO NO! It is NEVER the victims fault for being raped! Rapists should be blamed for committing a crime. Not the victim. Just because a woman dresses "slutty" or gets drunk at a party or walks home alone, that doesn't mean she should EVER be raped. And it's disgusting that anyone would blame a woman for "not being more careful" or for "being slutty" instead of blaming the rapist for BEING A RAPIST!

"A key that opens many locks is a master key, a lock that is opened by many keys is a SLUT"

Except we are not talking about keys here. We are talking about human beings. So no, a man who sticks his dick into many women is no different than a woman who has sex with many men. Just because he has been inside a lot of women, doesn't mean he magically has a "better" dick. It isn't a fucking skeleton key. It's a dick.

I hate double standards in society >_>

The Killer2930d ago

@Tameel1

this is last comment i have, so if u need more private message me.

i will try to make it count.

do u know why many people blame seductive women for being raped? they dont necessary agree with raping but they still blame the women who wears dressed naked cloths, u know why? because in this world, in every society, there r always such bad men, call them animals, criminals etc, so to go out dressed like a barbie doll is like saying to "THOSE EVIL MEN" come and rape me.

do u see a check, going to a wild hungry fox and wait until the fox arrives then starts to scream and run away? NO. and do u blame a hungry wild dog of attacking a checken, if it was presented in front of him? No.

well, in this world, there r many men even worst than wild beasts, and it is in man nature to desire women, specially sexy women, combine this desire with mental sickness and violence, u will see a rape.

so women should not invite others to rape them, knowing there r sick men. and do u know what is shocking? most rape cases is done by people who were in relationship with their victims or they knew them somehow. knowing this, how can a woman go wearing naked cloths and go out with boys and drink together and party and dance together and dont expect some of them would try to do something?

sometimes i think women they live in a dream world.

nan02930d ago

The Killer, the only reason why "rape" is "at a lower record in muslim countries compared to the U.S." Is solely because for a women to charge rape against a man, she needs 3 to 4 eye witnesses, which, RARELY ever happens. If it does, there's no promise that the men will say anything in her favor.

Also, not all acts are considered "rape". Women hardly have a voice in muslim countries.

Oh, and killer, when you say Jesus, dont say "peace be upon him" because He's not dead. He's alive, rose again and is at the right hand of the Father. And what Paul spoke, Jesus spoke through Him with the Holy Spirit. So Paul and Jesus agree.

You say Mohammed is a prophet? what was his prophecy? He never made one. All he did was travel around as a young boy stealing ideas from many religions. The cresent moon, the virgins in heaven, were all parts of minor cults/religious groups at his time. He just stole things and threw it together.

Pushagree2930d ago

Ok first off, religious groups DO see sex as wrong. It's one of the seven deadly sins, so nuff said there. The excuse that "god made sex so he must want us to do it." is a pretty moot point as well. God made gay people, and he clearly hates them. Just two of the many double standards of christianity right there.

Second, the view the right and wrong are subjective is not wrong. You point to laws to prove that, but even those were made by subjective men who decided what is bad in the world or not. Surely you can't tell me that you agree that every law is just and logical? You also can't say that the bible is the sole reason for laws, otherwise there would be laws saying you can't wear clothes woven from two different fibers, or you can get out of rape by paying the father. The bible is far from a code of ethics as I have shown in the last two paragraphs and it's insane to look to it for ethical guidance. Even its good ideas such as "thou shall not kill" are contradicted with the wars made by god himself. The bible is hypocritical and so is God (who probably doenst exist anyway).

Hozi2930d ago (Edited 2930d ago )

Pushagree, you my friend may need some counseling. I'm a average joe and surely I get laid...sometimes with more woman than I'd want to...since I'm trying to be gentleman and honor my one and only, but back to the topic. You think that there should be more promiscuity and sluts and whores?...umm as if the world isn't bad enough as it is...maybe you can move to the red light district, or vegas...I'm sure you could find some sought of sadistic gratiffication there. Otherwise keep ur mouth shut before you run into trouble.

Oh and you say "God Probably Doesn't Exist" well let me tell you If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon.

But if you ask me, I'll tell you God is alive and here right now and he said "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."

JBaby3432929d ago (Edited 2929d ago )

@ The Killer: Muslims do NOT believe in the same God as Jesus because Jesus said that He is God. Muslims do NOT believe Jesus IS God. They do not believe He died for the sins of the world or that he is the only way to salvation otherwise they would not bow to Mecca several times per day or blow themselves up with bombs. The Quran speaks of Jesus but not as Christ. Not as God Himself which Jesus clearly stated multiple times that He is.

Do not say that the Quran and the Bible are continuous with eachother because the two are in stark contrast to eachother as are the ways of life they advocate. Christ said "I am the way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by me" while Mohammad said "I am the one that smiles as he kills the infidels" [read Jews and Christians]. Don't patronize Christ and Christians saying they are leading to the same outcome. That is an outright lie.

@ pushagree: Yes God made gay people but it is their choice to lead a gay lifestyle. Just like it is the alcoholic's choice to drink, the drug addict's choice to use drugs, and the child molester's choice to go after children. All of them can refrain. Don't use God as a scapegoat saying "He made me this way so I can't do anything about it". Everyone has a choice. I have known many gay people (I work in Hollywood) and I have yet to meet a gay man who does not like women they just choose men.

In response to your second paragraph: The fabrics refer to two incompatible pieces because one will tear away from the other like you can't use certain stitching on some fabrics because it tears. Just common sense teaching. The rape thing is not a way to "get out of it". In that culture and time they had to pay because now the women had been violated and her father could not give her to another man, at least not easily, so she would most likely live at home. It doesn't mean there weren't other penalties involved just that he had to at least do that as it was customary for would-be husbands to give the woman's family money when he was about to marry her.

The Bible also doesn't say thou shalt not kill it says "Thou shalt not murder." There is a big difference and thus the death penalty is not prohibited because some things are worth of death. If you are referring to war such as with the Jews taking the promised land then yes war was declared because of the evil acts the people there had been committing for centuries. It was their judgement. The people of Israel have also been judged for their evil acts. It's a fact, "His judgement cometh, and that right soon".

Any other seemingly contradictory things I can clear up for you just let me know. I'm glad to help and I love a good discussion.

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Bioshocking2930d ago (Edited 2930d ago )

You know what confuses me?

Why are people replying to sonicsidewinder about the double standard about raping and sluts....

when he said the quest writing is poor?

I would not call it poor, just kind of repetitive.

I mean all the guild quests except for the civil war had an identical story *Spoilers*

1) Join guild as a novice
2) Learn about new power
3)Someone in the guild does something stupid/ betrays you
4) Leader of guild is killed
5) Gain new power
6) Fight person who killed leader to achieve revenge
7) Become leader of the guild

It was cool during the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild ones... but became dull during the companions and college of winterhold

Also the illusion of the world is ruined when NPC's say the same thing over and over again.

I every guard insults my spell casting with the same dialogue

Tameel12930d ago (Edited 2930d ago )

"do u know why many people blame seductive women for being raped? they dont necessary agree with raping but they still blame the women who wears dressed naked cloths, u know why? because in this world, in every society, there r always such bad men, call them animals, criminals etc, so to go out dressed like a barbie doll is like saying to "THOSE EVIL MEN" come and rape me."

I can't believe I'm reading this. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR RAPISTS! Regardless of whether a rape victim looks like Barbie or looks like a 90 year old crippled lady, it is NEVER their fault for being raped! Yes, there are bad men in every society. But it is THEIR FAULT for being rapists! They are to blame! They should be able to look at a pretty woman and NOT want to rape her! FFS how is this so hard to understand??!!

"so women should not invite others to rape them, knowing there r sick men. and do u know what is shocking? most rape cases is done by people who were in relationship with their victims or they knew them somehow. knowing this, how can a woman go wearing naked cloths and go out with boys and drink together and party and dance together and dont expect some of them would try to do something? "

No! NO NO NO! NOBODY (man or women) ever "invites" someone to rape them! A woman who dresses provocatively is not asking to be raped! She probably just wants to go dancing or have fun with friends. She DOES NOT want to be raped! Try watching this ad...it seems to be directed at people like you: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Also rape has nothing to do with how sexy a woman is. It's about power. It isn't just sexy women who get raped. Old women get raped, young girls get raped, cripped and disabled women get raped, men get raped, little boys get raped, people from EVERY walk of life get raped. Not just sexually attractive women.

I don't know what's worse...you saying that women who look/dress like Barbie are asking for rape, or you saying that all men are animals who are incapable of not raping women!

danielle0072931d ago

This is truly disappointing, in all honesty. The lack of options and the full dialog really portray a skewed view on women.

Not cool.

ForTheFallen2930d ago

I honestly hope that you don't think that guys, or anyone, get their views on women from a fantasy game about magic, trolls, dragons, and other assorted NON EXISTENT things.

The Killer2930d ago

i think u need to get out of the box u live in. this world is big, it has many nations and cultures and religions. and many nations has many different views of women, i think u should start searching which one has the best view, and i think u wouldnt find something better than Allah/God view on women since He made them.

my advice, start searching in islam. u will see islam treat women like precious diamonds, but in islam, it will have views which u may not accept because of the programming u got since u were born, specially that a man can marry more than 1 wife.

but anyway, when it comes to religion, its about finding the truth backed up by evidence and not wishful thinking and to save our selves from the eternal hell fire which awaits the unbelievers.

Hozi2930d ago

Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us.

Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you're looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.

He said, "I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven. Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, "follow my words and you will find truth." He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me."

Tuxedo_Mask2931d ago

I don't know what the button is on the PC or 360, but if you don't want to talk to someone who starts a conversation or choose the only option given to you, you can press O and just leave.

As for the quest itself, I thought it was pretty stupid too, but not for the same reasons. Haelga isn't exactly the nicest person to the main character, so I suppose if you talk to her before Svana the cold greeting you get at entering her bunkhouse is intended to make you dislike her from the start. Her comment, "This isn't a hotel, this is for the "working man"" makes her sound like she already looks down on the main character before she's even met them. Dragon slaying isn't "work"? Okay, maybe not if your level is high enough, but still.

As for Svana, she's presented as the poor little orphan in contrast to the stand in evil stepmother. The three "suitors"? They don't have much substance either. That was my biggest complaint about the "quest". It was too generic, too predictable, and it didn't make any sense once you completed it. Even if I wear an amulet of Dibella before I speak to Haelga she treats me the same way. Then again, the whole temple of Dibella seems to shun men, which seems odd given their supposed method of worship.

Do I think Haelga should be ashamed for her actions? That's really up to her. In real life some people act like her, or do things even more outrageous and are not ashamed, while others do the same and are ashamed. People aren't as simple as Skyrim makes them out to be, so even if the quest wasn't as disappointing to the author there would still be something in the game that people would complain about.

violents2931d ago

i think everyone is missing the point here. Yes those choices by todays standards seems borish or sexist, however you also have to remember that the events of this game are set in a time reminisant of midevil times where a point of view of having multiple partners even within the same lifetime was frowned upon let alone 3 in the same month.

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