Should core gamers give it up and stop complaining about things or are the complaints justified?
As consumers once we stop complaining then our souls are lost and the corporations have won.
The whole Hardcore/Casual net discussion began shortly after Kinect was revealed at E3. All of the detractors at the time predicted Kinect would fail at launch because its line-up was too casual. Their argument was the hardcore 360 gamers would not purchase it and that the millions of casual owners who owned a Wii would not buy an Xbox for casual experiences. They were dead wrong. Kinect sales broke records, on the strength of both casual and hardcore gaming fans. See the truth is in reality gamers like all kinds of games and are not boxed into this mythical mindset perpetuated on the net. First of all, just like the other two consoles, there isn’t some massive hardcore’ base rebuking all things casual. Instead you simply have criticism lobbied against Microsoft that applies to ALL consoles this gen. But, the reality is Microsoft, Kinect is an optional device, and in the last two years ALL of the major core 360 exclusive still have been released. Hardcore gamers are not forced to play Eyepet, Cooking mama, or Kinectimals. They never have been and never will. But, as long as core franchises like Gears of War 3, Uncharted 3, and Zelda are released then it shouldn’t matter. Evil
I don't mind the direction, and can understand the push for Kinect; what I don't like though is that it seems Microsoft can not do both, they seem incapable of appealing to both audiences simultaneously. Since Kinect's arrival there's been little talk of new 'hardcore' exclusives, and Ms seem contempt to rest on their laurels and let third parties take charge.
exactly. For some that's fine but for others its not. You can almost compare it to how Sony can't do both and by that I mean advertise the ef out of its many games AND fund new games and studio upkeep. Somethings gotta give and these guys don't have infinite cash. More balance is what the complainers want. I'm sure nobody wants ms to ditch their kinect support all the way.
Of Course... Core gamers are basicaly gamers. The term "Core" was just made when Nintendo started off the whole casual thing when the Wii came out and made gaming more maintsream and casual. Core Gamers or gamers in gernal have the right to complain because were the real fans, the ones who have been there from the start. We're the ones who are generally interested in games, we're the ones who would go out and buy a overpriced CE of a game we love and we're the ones who keep up with the gaming industry by signing up to sites like this one......so yeah, we have the right to complain because were being pushed aside for casual gamers who probably wouldn't even give a crap about something like Kinect if they didn't have 500 million of adverstising shoved down their throats. Least with core gamers we like gaming because were actually interested in it, we don't need silly gimmicks and forceful ads to get us interested in gaming. 360 fans should be complaining the most but it seems like they'd rather still stick up for Microsoft after all they've done by going on about sales and profits.....HELLO MS have just screwed you over, don't just sit there and take it, you deserve better...pester them for games or anything you want as a core gamer. Don't just keep going on about sales or multiplatform games because they come off as excuses. If you don't complain...then a company will never learn and will never change, the 720 for example might be developed into a casual friendly console with Kinect in mind all because you didn't want to say anything....is that what you really realy want. Etheir stick up for yourself or jump ship to Sony.
I disagree. How are some people more or less entitled to their opinion about games/systems than others ? I never buy CE's, I dont follow all the news, yet I am an avid gamer and have been there 'from the start', whatever that means. Does that make me less of a gamer ? I don't see what is wrong with casual gaming. Just like there is nothing wrong with casual films and casual books, there is a time for everything. The history of film/books/music has shown that while the more popular and toned-down games may be the most popular, there will always be a market for deep and innovative games. Look at all the indie-games coming out, the Paradox Interactive games, the revival of the Point & Click Adventure . . . no signs of a declining core gamer base at all in my opinion.
Psh... heck no.
You mean the bandwagoners? NO. The fans of a game since it was first released and have been with the game maker and series since the near beginnings? YES, VERY MUCH SO.
Oddly enough, as a "core gamer", I'm more upset with the hardcore games that are out there right now than the casual ones. Casual games don't effect me in the least bit. They are developed separately from everything else and they aren't taking away from anything. Where the problem lies is with the hardcore games. The games I actually WANT to play. Most of them just...suck. Everything is a generic third person shooter or first person shooter nowadays. There is no ambition, no substance and no LENGTH to these games. Every one of them is an 8 hour "guided experience" with a shitty story and 0 replay value. Then they tack on a multiplayer that is supposed to add replay value, except the multiplayer modes are EXACTLY THE SAME AS EVERY OTHER GAME WITH A MULTIPLAYER. Team deathmatch, point capture, horde mode, etc. That's it. "Oh, but our game has perks!" YEAH, THEY ALL FUCKING DO. Developers just do not know how to make games these days. Bah.
I don't think the games are the issue, you just won't look beyond the things you complain about. OT: I don't personally care for motion gaming and stuff not aimed at my tastes, but I will only make an issue out of it when it completely affects what games I AM interested in. There are still plenty of those out there and on the way, so I'm currently satisfied, albeit burnt out of the current generation (to an extent).
No, I've been gaming for years and if you consider the amount of quality core games available across all platforms then gamers have never had it better. And to disagree with Mr Wiggle. The mainstream casual thing started with Playstation. Before Playstation it really was a geeky pass time. Then Sony came out with edgy branding and having gaming pods in nightclubs. Look at how big the Playstation and Playstation 2 catalogues were and you'll find a lot of casual stuff amongst the quality. They came out with eyetoy which involved waving in front of a tv screen before the wii, add to that stuff involving ponys, hannah montana and tv show cash ins. Sony really made the industry grow into the mainstream and from that a casual market has flourished. Its not a problem though because there are great core titles. You just have to ignore the crap.
Agree here. The original PlayStation did usher in the mainstream way of things. Prior to that, consoles were seen as a child's toy and not much more. Still, there's plenty to go around for everybody and I don't think it's ever been this varied. So long as things remain that way, gamers of all walks of life will be fine.
Everything else is just extras to me. I'll complain if there's something wrong with the games. That's about it. And omg, these hitler parodies are getting very old, now.
Yes - we have a god-given right to complain. AND COMPLAIN WE SHALL!!!!!!!!!!
if you don't like the direction your preferred console maker is going then of course. Some will say you have nothing to complain about because the new direction suits them but those people should understand its not fine for everyone and its not just haters or leaders of the opposition who have been saying the same thing since natals or moves inception. Remember it was some of these same people who bagged on the wii for its casualness. I understood the wii had a place but its not my main console for the same reason. I own one but I look to the ps3 and 360 for core games. I'm not saying the wii doesn't have core games...it bloody well does so don't get offended. I have 3 reasons for wanting more core and less casual on the 360. Firstly because its my secondary console so all my multis are played on my ps3 so its exclusives are what keep it relevant because I don't like kinect. Secondly because I just like more choice. I won't like every Sony nintendos or ms game so surely its better for me if there's just more to choose from. Thirdly because I'm stupid and can't forget how a faction and spokespeople from their console maker used to rightly scream about exclusives and whatnot and like to rub it in their noses and remind some people that we are core first and haven't changed just because they have. C'mon man, are some of you guys really preferring ms announcing more kinect games than titles like Alan wake gears halo crimson skies etc just..gtfo. The last reason is dumb and immature..definitely but watching how the goalposts have been conveniently shifted still annoys my primal side...like where's greenberg nowadays....he used to gas a lot now nothing.. One day ill grow up again but until then n4g is a fun thing and should never be taken too seriously....... I miss zhuk and dark sniper and the openzone ...
I don't care about the core vs. casual gamer discussion. A good game is a good game and I take a good casual gamer over a rubbish hardcore game any time. There are so many AAA-titles that I don't care about because they are way too 'hardcore' for me (such as BF3 for example) and I would rather play a good PopCap game instead. Yet, I still love complex strategy games and deep RPGs, why are they mutually exclusive ? It's the same with other forms of media, sometimes you go see a silly action film and sometimes you go watch the latest Arthouse film. All that positioning - to me - seems to be more about defining what it constitutes to be a real (as in better) gamer and relates to status more than the refinement of one's personal game experiences. I agree with Mr. Buffalo, the gaming industry is thriving like never before and I am glad to be a part of it. Look at all the amazing games that came out in 2011 and all the ones scheduled in 2012. If anything, games are becoming more accessible and polished due to more money floating into the industry.
hey it's what we do best
Nothing wrong with casual games and I'm sure many people here have enjjoyed them. However, casual games should never, ever be the main priority for the console manufacturers.People only complain when they make it their top priority. Always take care of the core first because we are here to stay.
I just dont care that much.
Well, of course the core gamers would complain. There's very little longevity or production value to many of the casual games that are released. Core gamers require deeper experiences than that. With the Wii, I'm not sure if it is right for core gamers to complain necessary. It was a console that was made with non and casual gamers in mind. If you consciously buy the console knowing this information, then you should not complain about the types of games that are released. With that in mind, if one waits long enough, games do come out for a dedicated platform. Take the 3DS for instance; it has a number of casual apps built in since it was launched. This did not woo many gamers, but more games have come out since then and now it is selling much better. It has casual games like Tetris Axis and Nintendogs + Cats as well as core games like Resident Evil: Mercenaries 3D and Super Mario 3D Land.
Yes the complaints are justified, but I don't believe in giving credit to people who "get off" on stating the obvious... over and over again. Like it or not, the casual audience has arrived. I don't blame any company for trying to bring more gamers to the table. These people buy games too, and you know what, good for them.
"Like it or not, the casual audience has arrived." They were always here. In fact the NES and PS1 created that crowd.
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