Metal Gear Rising Revengeance: Old vs New Build Screenshot Comparison

"Metal Gear Rising was revealed at Microsoft's E3 2010 conference, and while we were watching that now, it's not hard to notice a significant downgrade from the original trailer. The latest trailer revealed at the VGA 2011 was in some ways, disappointing and underwhelming. And that's just based on the in-game impressions. We can't seem to help notice that the reveal trailer looked much better than the new one. The graphics looked much better and the swordplay had a meaty feeling to it."

[a_bro]

well it has to now, since its a hack and slash, that's the best way to play such games. that also could mean a lack in visual quality, though hopefully it wont suffer that much in visuals. by seeing that trailer, it looks great so far.

[blumatt]

Multiplatform games tend to suffer compared to exclusive games since they've got to cater to the lowest common (console) denominator.

I think Metal Gear games should just be stealth-type anyway. This just isn't Metal Gear to me. Oh well, though. For those hack n slash people, enjoy, I guess.

[KeiserSosay4788]

I agree. The same thing can be said about PC games that are multiplatform, for the most part anyway.

[hqgamez]

MGS4 looked better.
When the trailer debut at E3 it looked like MGS4 similar Engine. Since a new developer is here.
The trailer I saw at the VGAs was just......
I believe PS3 would be the lead console for which Konami has mainly choose, but this is new trailer you can see way too much shine on Raiden's face and the noise is like out of control.

[morgle]

Jumped the shark, Nuke the fridge and now.... chucked a ray.

[Aither]

@morgle

Don't forget frying the coke.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Bull5hifT]

I hear it's amazing when the famous giant purple stuffed worm in flapjaw space, with a tuning fork, does a raw blink on Hairi Kairi Rock! I need scissors!! 61!

[CommonSense]

The graphics are NOT better in the old build. it's a completely different art style and people respond differently to different art styles.

basically the old build looks like MGS4, the new build looks like Ninja Gaiden.

[jeseth]

This game in no way feels like Metal Gear to me. I've been playing Metal Gear since NES.

This game looks and feels more like last years Vanquish with a sword.

I getting less and less excited about Rising.

[milohighclub]

People keep saying they don't see it as a metal gear title. I did until the new trailer. This was my most anticipated game of next year but now I may not even buy it.

[Chitown71291]

Guys....remember when Microsoft, came at E3 and people were like " OMG METAL GEAR ON XBOX!!".........and now everyone is trying to downplay it lol....I just thought it was funny......you may carry on.

[Prophet-Gamer]

I remember that haha, the guy tried saying Snake was finally on Xbox to which Kojima quickly replied "NO, NOT SNAKE", I just rofled at the dumb MS rep.

[Chitown71291]

LMAO! Sh*t was hilarious dude

[n4gisatroll]

Ya I remember when he said snake...but Kojima said...No. lol. No mgs for 360. Unless you count last gens hd versions.

[Game13a13y]

To all those who want The Real Snake to be on the 360:
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Just get a PS3, how hard is that?

[40cal]

Chitown,

For me it has nothing to do with downplaying the game, the first build looked way better. This game went from awesome to WTF?

[Chitown71291]

Haha yep you got a point. I mean the graphics went from MGS4 level to wtf is this? And it didn't seem corny as f*ck at first neither ...

[SixZeroFour]

"To all those who want The Real Snake to be on the 360:
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Just get a PS3, how hard is that?"

so if i got this right, i buy a ps3 then snake will be on my 360?

[Prophet-Gamer]

Rising looks inferior to MGS4, a 4 year old game. Not to mention, the gameplay didn't look the least bit enticing. Seriously, what a disgrace. Will be skipping this title, no doubt about it.

[xtremeimport]

Dont think this game looks interesting at all anymore. looks cheesy and too focused on swinging the sword around too much. idk, havent seen enough to really make a decision though.

[CommonSense]

but it's not a game about Snake. it's a game about a crazy cyborg ninja. i really think kojima made the right decision to pass this off to a developer that is used to something more rapidly paced.

think about how clunky moving snake around while firing was...there is no way they were going to be able to pull off the smooth motion of a "break dancing cyborg ninja." makes perfect sense to me why they made this decision.

[TVippy]

Hate to admit it, but GamingCrap is right here for once. Absolutely right. New Rising is utter crap. :( Love Platinum, but Rising was destined to be a different game, not a DMC-style one.

[40cal]

The first game concept was far more interesting than the stale old crap Platinum Games has turned this game into.

I had this pre ordered now its going to be a game fly rental that i suffer through for the story.

Loving the HD collection. Peace Walker is just awesome.

[Pintheshadows]

Metal Gear Rising. You've changed man.

[redDevil87]

That's because the original Rising was cancelled and Platinum games were recruited to continue the idea of the game.

[SWORDF1SH]

took his funny comment and took it to serious and made it not funny

now thats funny lol

[llMurcielagoll]

I got a little skeptical when I noticed the difference in names "MetalgearRising" and before used to be "Metal Gear SOLID Rising"

Hope the change of dev team turns out for the best.

[jeseth]

They took the Solid out of the title because when Kojima came to check on the progress of the game he saw what utter crap it was turning into and said ... "this can be a Metal Gear game but it is not Metal Gear Solid! You've turned Raiden into a cyborg, hara-juku girl ninja, with Dragon Ball Z hair"

Then Kojima ran to the bathroom and threw up.

[ziggurcat]

i think i missed that memo - why was the original rising cancelled?

[Baka-akaB]

The old build was very blurry and sub hd , not to mention running at 30 fps . While the new one is so far confirmed to be 1280x720 and 60fps

[Paradicia]

You're right. It was confirmed on the Official Spanish Kojima Productions Twitter.

Sourced from a post on Neogaf: "Some people may have noticed that the colours and tone aren't like Metal Gear.
The old RISING we were doing at KojiPro was very Metal Gear, at 30fps and with complex controls.
It was one single thing that I asked of Platinum: "A Raiden that moves at 60FPS, that controls well and looks good".

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[TheDivine]

The game looks epic to me but i wish they kept the tone and colors like a mgs game to make it mesh better with the universe. Id prefer the original game because it would have had some stealth, prob some codex sh**, long winded cutscenes, and a good story. Now it wil be awesome but that cheesy sega action game music doesnt fit well with what a metal gear game should have. I guess il have to judge it as its own standalone title now and im sure it will be one of the best games. Thanks for the quote.

[Optical_Matrix]

Why is Baka-akaB getting disagree's. It was confirmed by Kojima himself that the game used to 30fps and is now 60fps. Which is what you want for a hack n' slash title is it not Devil May Crybabies? (b-bu-but teh fake Ninja Theory DmC izn't runnning at 60 fpsss)

[HeavenlySnipes]

It is because he tried to tell us that the Platinum Games build looked better than the Konami build

[AsunaYuukiTheFlash]

@optical_Matrix

Welcome to the world known as N4G.com .

[lategamer]

Yep, instead the fake Ninja Theory DmC will run at 15-20 FPS (just like Heavenly Sword and Enslaved), but but it'll feeeeel like 60fps. Amirite?

[Baka-akaB]

I know , wich is why the blind disagrees over a fact is hilarious , but hardly surprising .

Morons will be morons

[Paradicia]

The site is a joke sometimes Baka. Haters will hate. They can't accept the presented facts.

[Eamon]

I didn't press disagree however it would seem by the non-vocal tone of your message that you liked this new MGR more than last year's MGS:R.

Maybe you do or don't but I'll just say I liked last year's trailer a lot more than this year's.

[Baka-akaB]

I do like it better , even if it could be better looking . I wasnt thrilled by the previous built , as it didnt really show much , if any stealth element , while the predominant action part was quite lacking , not fast paced enough and clunky .

It seems it was a feeling shared by kojima and execs , as the game was obviously passed on to Platinum games instead , with the instruction of making it 60fps among other things

[badz149]

in Japanese, "Baka" means "stupid", "idiotic" and yeah..."moronic"

no offense to you Baka-akaB, I'm not calling you a moron! just sharing what I think is - in a way, interesting.

[BreakNeckSpeed]

Still looks to be in it's early stages. I'll wait closer to the release before crossing up any judgement towards the graphics.

[TurboGamer]

This game is also coming to pc, so that's 1080p at 60fps for me unless its a really bad console port.

[caboose32]

Yea when it was being developed by Kojima Productions it was coming to PC. But I don't think this new dev does PC ports.

[ShaunCameron]

Unfortunately no. It looks like MGR will be console-only.

[geddesmond]

Man I'm not liking the whole hack n slash aspect of it. To me a Metal Gear game is mostly about stealth and although it looks cool how you can chop things into dozens of pieces, to me its undeserving of the Metal Gear name. Also if Kojima productions stopped working on it then what have they been working on. MGS5???

[Mickbelfast]

I think they've give Xbox their own metal gear game & they've their sights set firmly on developing metal gear 5 exclusively for playstation

[xXxSeTTriPxXx]

more fuel for ps3 fans to say the 360 is holding visuals back.

to be honest mgs4 looks better then this, and platinum games tend to program better on the 360 so it could be another 360 to ps3 port.

[kaveti6616]

There are plenty of 360 titles now that look better than MGS4, so whatever fuel you're talking about will be used by the fans trapped in confirmation bias.

But yes, the old build looked better than this cartoonish crap.

[xXxSeTTriPxXx]

that's true alot of 360 games do indeed look better then mgs4 but if rising only has marginal graphical improvements (if any)over a game that came out years ago, it would be ammo for the quality argument.

we have to remember the graphical impact that mgs4 had on console gaming, so it's safe to say (from a graphical standpoint)that fans will and should expect more.

[ASTAROTH]

Waiting for the list of those plenty games...

Ill give you a the bennefit of the doubt on Gears series but even that... ok it seems you are rigth one one thing: "fans trapped in confirmation bias"

[kaveti6616]

All it takes is one game Astaroth.

If a person says that the game's graphics were dumbed down because the 360 couldn't run it, all I'd have to do is list one 360 game that looks better than MGS4 in real-time to prove that the graphics couldn't have been dumbed down to accommodate the 360s limitations.

Let's say Gears of War 3, because I'm too lazy to compile a list and because lists are for fanboys.

My opinion on the matter is that the graphics were dumbed down because Platinum Games got involved and decided to implement their own visual style, which looks inferior the the original build. Secondly, it might be possible that the original build ran at 30 frames per second and the new one runs at 60 fps, which might be a reason, but I don't think so.

I'm not trying to make any arguments in favor of the 360. I know the 360 cannot do what the PS3 can, but to this extent, I think the 360 could run the original build of the game and they just messed it up for creative reasons.

[dark-hollow]

The graphics dumbed down because they went from 30fps to 60fps and from sub hd to 720p

[lategamer]

The game jumped from 30 FPS and Sub HD to 60 FPS and HD.

[zerocrossing]

I was expecting a lot more... It just looks like a hack n slash with QTE's now.

We should have had a choice of how to play, like cutting our way in one man army style, or sneaking through all Tenchu like.

When its all over the top action all the time you stop giving a damn, well at least my opinion.

[Omega Zues]

I just knew that it was all going down hill a year ago when little to nothing been shown. Thats always a sign when something is going terribly wrong.

[Paradicia]

It was a mere melon slicing demo a year ago. The game is now 60 fps and 720p (Old build was sub-hd and 30fps) - a full fledged engine dedicated for rising now, it's no longer just tech. It was running on a heavily modified MGS4 engine in the E3 2010 demo.

Read over my previous posts for the TRUTH. Not some spin made by a fanboy..

[Pintheshadows]

To be honest the visuals are quite a long way down my list of issues after that trailer.

[Hellbound1978]

The only thing I have a problem with is if they remove the stealth. An injection of "Bad-Assness" is always welcome in any game I play but, I'm a stealth lover and pickens are quite slim in that genre nowadays. Who says you can't have awesome hack-n-slash with stealth? Let the player decide....choice is the spice of life.

[SkolarVisari]

The developer should feel confident about their own design before asking people to buy it though. What happened here is that they looked up one day and realized that they were not personally feeling what they had originally come up with. Perhaps it didn't feel very fun to them (We all know they do know what fun is.) so they went back to the drawing board. I think part of the problem given what they have been saying is that they had ended up gravitating more towards the action aspect of things because of the kind of character Raiden is. Even when I look at the old trailer you can see that it wasn't trying to highlight being stealthy, it was highlighting the use of his sword to cut things.

At the end of the day Raiden isn't a cyborg ninja he is more like a cyborg Samurai.

[h311rais3r]

It was unique last year. It looked fresh and exciting. Now it looks like metal may cry or metal gaiden rising....still looks fun but...the original concept was much better. Looke fluid. Now it's choppy.

[SAE]

agree :)

[Game13a13y]

Or Metal Fruit Ninja.

[SAE]

i was intersting on it , i loved the first trailers , the new trailer removed all the hype , it looks / feels and plays different, it had a special thing but now it's gone , now it feels like it's not connected , all put together in a bad way..

that's just compared to the old trailers but im sure it's gonna be fun game , it may even turn great , the developers are good ones...

[blackbirdi]

shit they dumped down the graphics ...maybe they change the whole game engine ...the shaders looks different ...Anti-Aliasing was reduced....texture resolution too...but i m really exited too see the final product hope they don't fucked up the ps3 version like they did with bayonetta

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

Graphics definitely got downgraded but I mean it's platinum. Not like it's surprising.

[Ascalon94]

I wish everybody would STFU on anything negative about this game. All we have seen is a 3 minute trailer and a little bit of gameplay and everyone is judging the shit about it as if they have played the game. Lets wait until a week after release shall we?

[SkolarVisari]

I agree up to a point I think the fans do know what they want, but I also think that in this case they should not be so negative as they had been up front about Rising being something different from the other Metal Gear games from the very beginning. Konami is not Capcom and Platinum games is not Ninja Theory.

Though I think in this case some of the negativity is coming from the fact that this game is different from MGS. Where as in the case of DMC the negativity started with the sudden change of the look of Dante and coupled with the fact that Ninja Theory is not known for making good hack and slash games. Then there is just the way Capcom and NT handled public relations by basically insulting the fanbase, which was most concerned with the quality of the game above everything else.

[Deadpool616]

Wow! I think you just pinpointed the issue at hand here shadow skill. Excellent deduction. I guess Metal Gear is so synonymous with stealth and Snake, some fans can't except Metal Gear Rising for what it is...a hack n' slash action game starring Raiden.

[Ascalon94]

yeah I agree with you man, but people are acting as if this is the straight up Metal Gear Solid 5 when its something totally different.