Square's responses to questioning over a much-requested remake have always been a bit cautious. The 'we here your cries but have no current plans' sort of responses.
I could imagine. While we wait, just remake V and VI :P
Given that they'd have to "flesh out" those games as well if they put them on an HD console, what makes you think they wouldn't take any longer?
They wouldn't take anywhere near as long if they were on, say, the Vita. Assuming this VII remake is on consoles.
it will take long but the wait will be worth it we waited long for ff13 so i believe we can wait for ff7 remake square just picture me giving you my money i know that would make you happy right
I mean if they started on it when they showed that concept, we would have it by now. And Square would be rolling in money. But no... they apparently dont understand this. It wouldnt take any longer than it did to make FF XIII and trust me, fans want this more. But if you arent going to make it, THEN FINISH FFVS13
Kinda tears my heart out but it is true. Now as for a true sequel...
No, it's not true. It really isn't. Remakes require LESS time than new games because so much of the time-consuming work is already done. All they have to do is create the models and areas in the White Engine and set about recreating the original. But I guess that would take a lot more time than using areas and models from the last FF game for the newest one. Basically, I'm saying Square Enix's laziness borders on incompetence.
They also have to get voice actors (not like ffx where cutscenes were already voiced), model all the enemies, the summons, they can't just use the ps1 world map view, so they'd have to RECREATE THE ENTIRE WORLD, and try to do all this while getting Versus, Type-0(US) and any K. Hearts game done....
LESS time? That may be true for a reMASTER like FFX HD that was announced. But a full reMAKE of FFVII would take quite a lot of time. Sure the story is done but what about all the character models, areas, monsters, cinematics, voice acting, menus, battle system, summons etc. The time-consuming work is definitely not done. EDIT: HeavenlySnipes got there just before me! Have a bubble...great minds and all :P
There is so much more that would need to be done to make the game as good as it should be on current gen consoles. Alot more then make models and areas and done. Firstly the script would have to be completely redone. I don't know if you have played FFVII recently but it has horrible engrish throughout and simply reusing it simply would not work and a rewrite for a game that size would be damn time consuming(one could argue a re write takes more time as you are re doing it but you still need to make sure it sounds and feels like the original) Also while the towns and such exist already they might as well be concept art. You have to remember that FFVII backgrounds were pre rendered and not fully interactive like FF games have been since X. This means they basically are starting from scratch. Add onto that the immense amount of sound work that would need to be done such as getting Uematsu back and redoing the entire massive soundtrack and adding tons of VO and it would take pretty much longer then a current FF since FFVII was so massive and deep. Are SE lazy? Yeah kinda but it's not like this would be a year or 2 long thing it would take a sizable amount of time to do and I personally think it's smarter for them to save a FFVII remake for a rainy day. Or at the very least until next gen as they are almost done working on the new Luminous engine and they might as well go with the best tech they can when remaking FFVII.
what a completely ignorant comment. you cant just take every piece of code for the ff7 original and leave it at that. youve got to rework it for all the models, make sure theres voice acting as people wouldnt accept it without some, add new physics, change all the animations, redesign every single thing in a new graphical design for all the graphical updates since ff7, and then youd want all the extra content youd expect from a remake. this is equal to the amount of time it takes for a new game, and it is downright unrespectful to a decent company to say its incompetant for your opinion.
Essentially, a remake means no Final Fantasy XV for 4-5 years during the time all assets are funneled to the remake. While I would like to see Final Fantasy VII remade, do I want to sacrifice one of the few big games they make during that generation? At least Square Enix acknowledges that a FF7 remake isn't just a cash grab like FFX-2 or FFXIII-2. However, I disagree with Kitase's comment about how PS1 era games are incompatible with PS3 era games. If I were to continue the trend he suggests to the future PS5, Final Fantasy would occur in a single room with his logic. Bull! I understand the emphasis of the game might have to be different, but the same story could be told.
I'm not sure why they would disagree about it taking less time. I mean, it's better than making a game from scratch. You have a story, you have basic character, setting, and atmosphere models already made from the original. It would definitely take less time to make than any other from scratch game that can keep you busy for that amount of time. But I can see how they would disagree about "all they have to do". They still have things to do like others mentioned.
"No, it's not true. It really isn't. Remakes require LESS time than new games because so much of the time-consuming work is already done. All they have to do is create the models and areas in the White Engine and set about recreating the original. But I guess that would take a lot more time than using areas and models from the last FF game for the newest one. " FF7 - PS1 Title - Low poly models - No Voice Acting - No achievements - CGI Cutscenes FF7 Remake - Would be on the new platforms - Higher poly models - Voice acting - New CGI Cutscenes. Meaning that EVERY model has to be remade, the script has to be changed up slightly, there has to be voice acting now, and they have to change up the movies. That takes MORE resources than you think. Yea....that so requires less time than new games. /Sarcasm I swear people are confusing Remake for Remastering. On a side note I find it hilarious for people saying that it's too "lazy", when you look at various indie people that tried their hand at remakes/"sequels" to games, and it took years.
because FF VS release and development was so fast... oh wait how long people have been waiting for that?
This. I was going to say the same thing. They are just making excuses for being lazy and the fact that because Sony owns the FFVII IP, they can't make a remake multiplat. Versus XIII has taken 6 years and counting, what's the hold up? If they can make us wait this long for a damn spinoff, I don't think we'll mind waiting for an FFVII remake. And really, if there are other games as expansive as FFVII out now with modern graphics and released sooner than, say, 10 years; SE have no real excuse.
I simply don't understand why almost all of the Japanese devs are having such a hard time with HD? Capcom, Square, Polyphony Digital etc etc Why can american devs turn out games + sequels in the time it is taking most Japanese devs to turn out a single title? 6+ year dev cycles are a recipe for going bankrupt. I just don't get it. Understand that I am not biased here, I am asking because I truly miss the greats.
Sony don't own the Final Fantasy 7 IP (thats Square-Enix), they only have the publishing rights in Europe and America (Square published the game in Japan and other International territories) :) And even then its only on consoles, Eidos had the rights to publish on PC (Square-enix now own them, I believe that the FF7 publishing rights influenced this take over)
Hey yeah! Where the f*ck is FFvs?!
Looks like RememberThe357 just remembered!
Typical of Square Enix not listening to their fans just keep making games like FF13
"just keep making games like FF13" - i dare you to list one other game "like FF13" Square Enix makes 13 main series games, they make 1 that isn't as perfect as the other 12 and now Square Enix is the worst company in the world? it's kinda like, you getting a 4.0 gpa every semester and then in one semester, you get a 3.4 (a relative score for Final Fantasy XIII) and then everybody calls you stupid; a failure? how's that fair? i think Square Enix gets it waaay too hard from fans and critics. FFXIII stands at an 83 on Metacritic, while Modern Warefare 3 stands at an 88. i will never understand that. ever.
This Glad it's not just me saying this.
Like their new stuff doesn't take long?
Welcome to 2009 when they said this last time.
I WAS a fan square, I was !!
So they're telling us that they're lazy, pretty much. Whatever.
What brought this topic up again anyway. Did they just talk about it out of nowhere or was this statement triggered from something?
It seems they fly around the world to advertise XIII and there would always be some journalist that will ask about FFVII. There's at least one interview per week from these guys and they get asked the same question all the time and when people hear that there might not be a FFVII remake they throw a fit and blame SE. I want a remake but I'm realistic. Let them get out XIII-2, Type-0 and Versus, then sort out how they plan their games and allocate resource then give there all on a remake if they're going to make one. If it ll works well then we might see a remake for FFVII's 20th anniversary in 2017.
He didn't say they wouldn't make it, just that it would take a really long time. Given their propensity to take their sweet a$$ time with lousy FFXIII, and the yet to be truly seen Versus XIII, they really have no excuse. Versus XIII is supposed to have towns, a world map, and an airship with better graphics than XIII. So what's the problem SE? Is it that you can't make FFVII multiplat since Sony owns the publishing rights to it? That has to be it. That is the ONLY reason I can see for you to pass up a guaranteed money maker like this. An FFVII remake would make money, it would print money. As much as I believe it to be a grossly overrated game, with many others in the series being far better, 9 million lifetime sales and a seemingly unending hype/love for the game should tell you that remaking it in modern graphics should be a no brainer. Get off your mediocre game making a$$es and get on the damn remake. Maybe then you can redeem yourselves for the abysmal failure of an FF game that is FFXIII and its insult of a sequel XIII-2.
"He didn't say they wouldn't make it, just that it would take a really long time" When someone says something takes "too long", it comes across as like it's a waste of time and too much of a chore to be worth while to me. Which...if Square was smart they'd do it for the $$$
They are being such hypocrites...Why won't they listen to their fans??? Don't they know that a remake would be very VERY welcome??? I'd buy one INSTANTLY. IN A HEARTBEAT.
Yeah, but it might be the only thing Square has that people still really want. They need to do something to turn around the bad opinion of them that gamers have this gen.
Instead we will provide you with half ass games in the hopes you will think they are even close to as good as FF VII. Like cutting Final Fantasy 12 into two pieces. Now we can sell you the same game...twice. Square Enix
Why do you want them wasting time and other resources remaking a game you've already played? I'd rather they make something new. These recent HD releases are a different story because they're just primarily up-res'd which they clearly can't do with FFVII.
They don't seem to be capable of creating new good things anymore, that's one of the main reason people keeps asking for old stuff.
I would agree firelogic but the only thing of quality them seem to produce is on handhelds.
They said this 5 years ago, who gives a shit about SE anymore? They spend years making average video games when western developers knock out a trilogy of epic RPG's before 1 SE game is even close to release ( Mass Effect series against FFversus13 ) it's not even just SE, most japanese developers can't handle this gen. GT5, MGS4 development time anyone? Not to mention MGRising, jesus.
We've been asking for it since start of the gen. Maybe you'd be finished by now you f*cks.
I would say if they invested the money and built the remake of FF7 I would say it would pay for itself quite well. I think the only way SquareEnix will play the FF7 remake trump card is if FF13-2 and FFVS13 both flop and they need a game to recoup their losses.
Even then, some smartas group of shareholders would decide that people want FF13-3.They don't seem to be regarding FFVII anymore, it's easier to just create a dumb and pretty corridor since new casual fans will stand for it apparently.
Even then, some smartas group of shareholders would decide that people want FF13-3. They don't seem to be regarding FFVII anymore, it's easier to just create a dumb and pretty corridor since new casual fans will stand for it apparently.
Oh that's sad. He just said that they spend so much time and money on eye-candy that they can't make games that have the same content at the old ps1/ps2 games. I would gladly give up some of the pretty for the old depth.
bullshit they can reuse the stuff from the movie and crisis core renders and even the stuff from drige of cerbruse....it all about money ..and what about the demo 2005 they can reuse the stuff from there too .
Lazy Lazy Lazy, this is what it all comes down to, lack of quality. Reason why they are making FFXIII-2? Laziness. All they had to do is add additional content to FF13 and call it a brand new game. sigh.
Well that is bullshit.
Whatever, task it to someone who can do it then because it seems SE can't release anything in a decent amount of time.
The high and mighty company that is Square Enix has totally become disconnected with it's hard core fans. Because "hard core fans" is all it has left. The only people interested in FF games are the last true hard core fans that SE has. Taking too long? If they would of just dropped FFXIV which is a massive failure and done a remake of FF7 they would of probably made more money as they are losing money right now on FFXIV. This Co. has really lost it I feel bad for them.
That's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. If they knew what the hell they were doing it wouldn't take any longer than FFXV would. Apparently a failed MMO and crappy sequels take priority over games that would actually make them money. This company has completely lost it.
You're a game company, Square. You're supposed to be able to do these things. Remaking a classic can't be THAT difficult. Other companies manage to do it. Just stick to the source material, don't try to change too much or add any pointless scenes/characters (*cough*Genesis*cough*), and just HAVE FUN while making it. Don't make it all SRS BSNS like Dirge of Cerberus was.
who can say that they would do the game justice though. the last true ff game imo was ff9. 10 and 12 were good but they weren't classics like 7, 8 and 9 were. they need to become squaresoft again
Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX, and X were amazing and were way better than XII and XIII
Oh like that supposed exclusive FF game? Whats the name, its been so long ....
We don't care about graphics. They don't need to look like FFXIII. We just want updated. Hell, I'd take the same graphics engine with high definition sprites and extras. Oh well. Remake FFVI now instead. And remake it for PS3, not portable.
You say that, but if it DIDN'T look like Advent Children, people would be up in freakin arms. And if they remade VI for the PS3, it'd take just as long, if not longer. Did you ignore the many comments above detailing all the things that'd have to be redone for VII? There'd be as much work- if not more- to do for any game prior to the PS1 era, unless you didn't want a full remake and settled for something... not.
Eh, what a bunch of liar. It wouldn't take that long. It all depends how many resources they put on the project. Most of it will be using their new engine, and yet they take forever on Versus13 which is a new ip and FF7 is pretty much their ready for them. smh
Id rather see a new chrono game
Can they just admit that they don't want to do it at this point and stop teasing their audience about the possibility of it?
Maybe if they stopped putting it off every time they told us this?
lol lazy...these guys. G5 took forever and the last guardian as well is on that path. But atleast people got to play gt5 and are confident the other will arrive sometime. With these guys however nothing seems certain, and its that uncertainty which puts many on edge. These guys are suppose to be proffessionals, either work on the remake or dont is that simple. Non of this chitchatter. I feel the same with a metal gear solid remake, I mean take the new heaven level in msg4 and use those assests to remake msg. I really dont see why that would be so hard to do. Idk.
"Final Fantasy VII remake would take too long - Square" And yet they have no problem doing a full blown remake of Final Fantasy X? And if they're worried about a game of theirs taking too long to make, then they might as well just take a long hard look at the development of Final Fantasy Versus XIII and rethink their response. It's not exactly hard to rebuild and improve upon a game that's already laid out in front of you. The whole game is finished for them, its not like they have to create a story and characters when doing a remake since its already all there. Maybe throw in something new to reel players in and give them an incentive to play it again. But overall, the fact they can do a FF X remake and not a FF VII one just seems like one big contradiction if you ask me. But hey, what the hell do I know!? That's all I see from my point of view, as a gamer.
Well, get cracking Square. You spend so much time making crap, why not spend a little more time making something you KNOW will sell like wildfire? You know what, I think they're really working on it and just building up all of this tension and hate. They will drop a bombshell on us in a couple of years "FFVII remake almost finished! Haha!"
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