PS4 Concepts

GNVR writes: Sony has revealed that it will be looking to release the PlayStation 4 in the same year as Microsoft gets its Xbox 720 on to shelves.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Xbox 10 = 2012
WiiU = 2012
PS4 = 2013

[remanutd55]

hopefully i'll get into E3 2012 sony press conference because i have a strong feeling thats where sony will announce the ps4

[Ares84HU]

I think so too. Sony clearly said that they don't want to launch after the competition and the next gen Wii is around the corner and MS is also talking about the next Xbox a lot. I'd say PS4 will come late 2012 early 2013.

But these "concepts" are a joke. One was a PSP concept from maybe 2-3 years ago. Two was a PS3 concept from maybe 6-7 years ago....and that toaster. Well that's just insulting.

[n4gisatroll]

Ahhh. No.

[Relientk77]

Xbox 10? what? lol

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Xbox 10 is the code name for the NextBox.

Check my submission history and you'll see what its called Xbox 10. (Although it shouldn't be too hard to figure out.)

Originally I had heard from multiple sources that Sony actually wanted to beat Xbox 10 to market. However the financial losses on the PS3, along with some recent manufacturing difficulties, lead me to believe PS4 will launch after Xbox 10.

[n4gisatroll]

Do you really believe the next xbox will be out next year? They didn't even announce it yet. You don't think they would announce it VGAs, at least I don't. If they announce it next year, it won't come out the same year. My bet is still coming out in 2014, for both xbox and ps4.

[SantistaUSA]

@grzajabarkus What makes you think that if they announce next year it won't be release until 2013? Xbox 360 was announced May 12, 2005 and and released in North America on November 22, 2005.

I have no idea of when those consoles are coming out, but if it is 100% compatible with xbox 360 and/or PS3 then I'm hoping for next year.

The first xbox games weren't 100% compatible with the 360, mainly because xbox was using NVIDIA GPU, and now Microsoft is using ATI, so if they are keeping ATI for NextBox then that shouldn't be too hard to accomplish :D

[caperjim]

@grzajabarkus
Microsoft is known for releasing products shortly after announcing them. If a new console is announced next year then it will be out by Xmas.

Personally im on the fence whether they will launch in 2012 or not. Microsoft already has a lot on the table for 2012. Windows 8 among other things.

[N311V]

I think it'll be a 2012 announcement for a 2013 release.

[EasilyTheBest]

Im sure Microsoft will bring out Xbox 10 November 2012 just in time for christmas. If its done right like they did with Kinect they could end up selling 10 Million in a month.
Its going to be the marketing and hype that could do it.
I really think it will be priced well too. Microsoft can afford to lose a ton of money on each one sold, Sony and Nintendo defo cant.
I really feel Microsoft is going to go for it big at 2012 E3.
The 360 will sell along side but at a much cheaper price.

[KaiokenKid]

I personaly believe PS4 is going to be well positioned when it comes out, but only if it's priced correctly. Sony has the first party for a killer launch lineup. MS pretty much broke all ties with first party.

Even if PS4 comes out a year behind again, it might not be a big deal if they can price correctly and make it worth it,

[EasilyTheBest]

K Kid.
The trouble is for Sony, like I have touched on above. Sony cant afford to sell at a loss the next time around. The only way they can afford to be priced correctly which I think you mean cheaply is if they dont go really powerful.
I really dont expect Sony to be a year late again but I think it depends on Microsoft.

[bozebo]

"Microsoft can afford to lose a ton of money on each one sold, Sony and Nintendo defo cant. "

No, all 3 camps can afford to lose money on each one sold with ease. That is often a standard business model. Hell, if they gave it away for free then the game sales (and so profits) would be astronomical, maybe ^_^

But they won't be loosing as much as last gen if they do sell at a loss because the cost of nearly all computing equipment has dropped dramatically in recent years: 3 years ago a decent gaming PC cost about £1000 ($1560 in 2008), now you can build one more than twice as powerful for £600 ($930 today) - to put that into perspective the PS3 was originally produced at a bit over $800 per unit, MS and Sony are going to be seeing their lowest production costs yet.

The Wii-U's rumoured specs are very similar to a low-end PC so it probably costs about $250 per-unit for Nintendo, if even (no board partners taking cuts like with PCs and no catering for plug & play parts etc.). They won't have to sell it at a big loss if any, though the controller probably costs loads to make, relatively speaking.

MS will probably do the same thing with higher performance hardware: altered designs of PC chips (new 28nm AMD graphics) and boards to eliminate plug & play costs etc. and some special optimisations here and there. So I wouldn't expect production costs larger than about $400 per unit so they can sell for a small loss if they must.

Sony are the unpredictable ones. The CPU could be some relative to the Cell but they won't be using it to process graphics this time because nVidia were behind ATI for about... I dunno 5 seconds, when the 360 was put into motion (so it got the unified shader system that nVidia didn't have ready yet making ATI graphics vastly more powerful for a little bit). This time, nVidia have some great graphics hardware at hand - no way to tell if AMD's new 28nm fab is going to blow away current high-end hardware yet though; and will nVidia have something similar up their sleeve? We can't predict that. But one thing is for sure, they probably won't have to sell the console at a big loss either.

Anyway, any manufacturer can sell the console at a loss if they deem it good business practice in the long run. And I wouldn't expect any manufacturer to have huge R&D costs like Sony did this gen because general purpose hardware has gotten so very cheap and we are not at a pivotal point this time (unified shaders last gen).

Here's an important note though. If Sony's or MS's console doesn't have at least 4GB of (long-term) RAM - it will not be ahead at the end of the generation in terms of first party releases, and multiplats will be nerfed on all platforms again. Infact, even 6 to 8GB might be required according to Crytek. And I have seen mount & blade hapilly nom somewhere in the region of 8GB if you raise the character limit, resulting in a full-scale medieval battle :P
(but then it runs at like 20fps because 2x 6950 graphics cards crossfired can't really deal with that many polys as the level of detail isn't aggressive enough to expect 4000 soldiers on-screen... lol).

[EasilyTheBest]

I cant really agree with that comment perhaps I didnt fully explain.
Yes all three Sony Microsoft and Nintendo can afford to lose money but its only Microsoft who can afford to lose alot.
Microsoft could go mad with the ram and put in 64gb, unlikely I know but way way more unlikely for Sony and Nintendo to do.
Microsoft COULD go way more powerful and keep on price terms with Sony and perhaps Nintendo, sony and Nintendo could no way do the same.
Shareholders and current losses will see to that.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

They're all ugly.

[adorie]

the last one is a freakin toaster for goodness sake.

[andibandit]

The SONY Toaster is a day 1 for me.

[Bits-N-Kibbles]

There also all old. I've seen all these fan made designs already. Hits.

[n4gisatroll]

Some of these are old, and the toaster one is obviously a joke.

[koh]

Yeah they definitely dusted off a few of the PS3 concept designs

[heylo]

here's another one
http://i.imgur.com/JnS3Q.jp...

[Liquid_Ocelot]

Omg that's the one I want and need!! XD

[bozebo]

Yeah lol, far less effort went into that concept and it's by miles the most sensible.

As for the ones in the article... (excluding the toaster ofc)

Not sure if trolling...

[Tarantino_Life]

The thumbnail one which is the most common one is soo badass.It looks soo futuristic. Wish it really looked like that.

[Shmotz]

More toaster consoles please.

[Goozex]

Isince the success of wii i hope they aren't basing their consoles for the 'casuals' I want hardcore at a reasonable price i.e Ps vita.

[Ingram]

All of these designs show a profound ignorance about electronics engineering.They're both pretentious and impractical.

Consoles are not purses or shoes, there are a lot of reasons they're not made this way, designers of these are way, way off.

[spacedelete]

PS4 toaster FTW!!!

But really im not upgrading to PS4 as I was expecting big things from this gen and I was extremely disappointed.

I play more PS2 games in my PS3 and more gamecube games than Wii games and that says something this close to next gen.

I'm also sick of the way gamers have been treated this gen. Online passes, DLC, mediocre games, run of the mill shooters etc that this is my final gen of gaming.

I will carry on playing my Wii and 60GB PS3 as there are 5 generation worth of games to be played. Wii plays gamecube games and my PS3 60GB plays PS1, PS2 and PS3 games which is enough for me.

[Ch1d0r1]

and grill.

[impulse135]

i want that toaster so i can play and eat toast at the same time

[KaiokenKid]

Anyone saying they know when any of these consoles are releasing is just talking out of their ass.

[byrnezy]

PS4 - Only does everything
(Well it can toast bread at least)

[Adolph Fitler]

As if Sony would openly state they are releasing the same year as 360's successor...This to me, just solidifies my heavy, fact based suspicians that PS4 will release next year...it will be out the same year as Wii-U. It would be stupid not to, as Wii-U ain't gonna just be a PS3 or 360 strength machine, like Wii was a last gen tech based machine....Nintendo are gonna release to compete longer term this time, & unlike Wii which neither MS or Sony admitted were direct competition to there machines (what BS from both of them, solidified by the fact that both saw fit to copy Ninty's idea for motion based controller crap).
Both MS & Sony will be unable to deny the fact that Wii-U will be direct competition for them, & if they treat Wii-U lightly, & Nintendo make the machine good enough & attractive enough with incentives including decent dev. kits & help to 3rd party developers (which Ninty have alway shown to be incapable of, due to there greed based insider dev. secrets that ensures they always come out smelling like roses for making the best game for there machines..even though they are 100th sequels with crap old characters like Mario).

PS4 WILL release in 2012, & anyone who doesn't know this is thinking with there ass, & is probably a former employee of Sony's that thought it would be a good idea, & voted that way in the boardroom, to release PS2's successor a whole whopping 12-18 months (depending on region) after MS had released the 360.

Sony are playing the game here & after being walopped this gen by going from 2 previous machines that both sold over 120million units each, to PS3 which hasn't broken half that yet, in 5 freaking years, actually, it hasn't reached 50million yet. So for dopes to think they would be dumb enough to risk more than halving this gens sales again, by releasing so long after Wii-U and/or 720, just proves the dope tag belongs. Of course Sony are prepping PS4 for an imminant release, of course they will talk out there ass about releasing alongside 720. That is what MS wants to happen....But what if Sony were smart enough to jump up PS4's release with a 2012 date, that even beats Wii-U outta the gate....that would be truly genius from where I'm sitting, as if they could get a big enough jump on 720, they would win back a fair ammount of fanbase that switched to 360, due to a highly un-enjoyable over 12month wait for Sony's new machine to drop, & all the affiliated problems that go with that, like low ammounts of games for instance.

PS4 is out in Japan next year by Xmas......that much is fact. I just hope it get released worldwide witin that timeframe, or at worst, January sometime for Europe & Australia (for me).

[torchic]

get ready to be sorely disappointed freind...

[Platinum_k]

i like the first concept and the boomarang controller concept ^_^

[Sc0pe92]

Lol at the toaster. I remember when PS3 first came out all the 360 fanboys were making fun of it by how it looks and comparing it to a BBQ or someshit.

[Angels3785]

The 1st and 4th concepts would be the best ones.

[RoboBoi]

my heart says 2012 release, but my guts says 2013. all i want is to play console games in TRUE 1080p. almost there...

[CynicalVision]

and 60fps. :)

[bozebo]

60fps probably won't happen in general.

Devs will just push the systems too hard again to create shinier screenshots to sell the games better (like what happens this gen).

They MUST do everything they can to ensure maximum sales numbers, because development costs are going to skyrocket even higher than they are this gen (expect $100m to be cheap in terms of development costs). So frame rate will take a back seat if they can market other stuff to its detriment.

That's just the way it is, and why I don't game much on consoles (I would rather have worse graphics with 60fps on my mediocre PC any day). Only game I stomach at 30fps is Reach, and it regularly drops far below that during intense moments (though not so much in competitive multiplayer, still 60fps would be better though)

There will surely be more 60fps games though, especially at the start of the generation before devs "optimise" (lower resolution and frame rate...)

[CynicalVision]

@bozebo

According to SE, development costs are cheaper.

http://www.geeksofdoom.com/...

[dcortz2027]

Wait a minute, your telling me this toaster not only toasts bread, but it also plays PS4 games? Shweet! Sign me up for the PS Toaster!

[trollhunterelite]

funny how 1 picture is of a PSP2 and another is of a toaster. A third picture indicates a new controller design that seems not holdable with human hands. Is this because people expect that Sony and Microsoft will force us to play with Kinect and Move? :P haha.

[SephirothX21]

Sony will not let MS be the first to market next gen. I think late 2014 is too far away for either PS4 or the next Xbox. with the Wii U coming next year, I think both the next xbox and the PS4 will launch late 2013. It will have been 7 years since PS3's launch and 8 years since 360's launch at that stage. I think two years time is the best time for the next gen to begin. I think MS will very likely announce the next xbox at E3 2012 and Sony will probably unveil the PS4 at TGS 2012. The question is: Will the PS4 use Cell-like architecture and if not, how could it be backwards compatible with PS3 games?

[bozebo]

No, no, no, no and... lol :P

Here's roughly what it will look like:
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lol

[Droid Control]

Sony will launch the PS4 in the same year as M$

http://www.next-gen.biz/new...

Which will be 2012.

[Adolph Fitler]

I hope they make PS4 completely PS3 backwards compatable with upgraded visuals & frame rates, as is being touted about nextbox.....but then again, 360 was also touted to be simply backwards compatable & MS couldn't even adhere to that & the thing had bodgy emulation for f#@k all Xbox 1 games.
Would be sweet if Sony did it properly again, like with PS2 & the original 60gig U.S. PS3's.
I have sooooo many PS3 games I know will be unfinished, but I'll still want to play along with the latest PS4 releases, not to mention the fact that games like Twisted Metal, Starhawk, etc, etc don't come out till next year & seeing Starhawk looks absolutely mindblowing compared to Warhawk, & Twisted Metal looks awesome as well, it's obvious that PS4 launch buyers will still wanna play some of these PS3 late releases while early launch lineup's & the lesser quality releases are all that will be available for the 1st year.

And really, the only people that want the DS controller changed drastically are 360 fanboys.....I love the DS3, & while it ain't perfect, they really only need to change the shape really slightly to fit in hands as comfy as possible, add an extra 2 face buttons, so it has 6 in total, to make it perfect for fighters, add a small joystick type thing to the digital pad to make it awesome for half circles for SF type gameplay, & most important 2 are DO NOT change analogue stick positions but just concave the tops, so your thumbs go into them, as well as MAKE THE F#@KING triggers actual triggers (so like the size of the clip on pieces that you can put on the original poor little excuses for triggers).

Do all that, as well as 4gig ram, 2-3 cells, much faster blu-ray drive, kick ass graphics card & just make it hella powerful, so we all are gobsmacked by some of these games when the new machine arrives. I wanna be blown away by the machine after release, when looking at in-game graphics & gameplay, rather than c$#kteased with what they hope to achieve at some shonky show 2 years before the machine actually comes out.

[NeloAnjelo]

Most of these images were PS3 concept photos.

[SlaughterMeister]

That's exactly what I was going to say.

They're all fan-made, as well.

[NeloAnjelo]

Yeah I know. They should really come up with some new concepts... fan made ones I mean. These have been floating about the net for a while one.

Personally I would like to see Sony just go with a black rectangle shape... like the PS2, but slicker. Simple, elegant, understated black box... But then you turn it on...

[seanpitt23]

ps4 in 2013 without a doubt

[Adityac]

The fuck is this shit? HOW DID IT EVEN GET ACCEPTED?

[nitrogav]

No way in 2012 is either Microsoft and Sony going to release their new machines . Have you seen hard drive prices lately ? . Could be bad for Nintendo because they are releasing in 2012 .