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In Defense of Call of Duty: Part 1

TheGregward of VideoGameOlogists.com writes:

"Just as a bench mark, World of Warcraft costs $180 per year to play. And if you get the expansions that are released for forty dollars every two years or so? You’re up to roughly $200 a year or so. As long as Call of Duty is still rocking out cheaper than WoW to buy, own, and play online; I feel that this earns CoD a bit of credit."

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BattleTorn4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

How does hours played relate to game quality?

Sure, if you play it enough, you get your money's worth, cost-wise.

But it doesn't say anything about the quality of the game.

If Cost/time was all that counts, then playing a Indie ($3) title for a few hours would be 300% better than any retail game at $60.

farhad2k84961d ago

Wait wait.. I can here something..

Oh, it's just the rush of CoD haters/BF3 fanboys RUSHING to hate on this.

Cya, I can't get lost in this mess.

geth1gh4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

You have to understand my friend. The majority of us "bf" fanboys used to love COD. Hell, I sure as shit did.

When nothing changes in a game, it tends to get annoying to pay $60 for it.

I had more than one friend that raped their very first game of mw3. Everyone I have talked to that played bf3 sucked at it when starting up.

I get it, don't change a game if it isn't broken. But if you're gonna ask us to fork out another $60 then you better do something.

BF3 did that imo, cause it def is not the same, yet it still has the realistic warfare feel that the battlefield franchise is known for and it still rocks socks.

Yomaster4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

BattleTorn actually has a really good point here. We pay $60+ for a game and expect it's quality, not hours played, to be equal to the price. Every now and then, we come across a game that is worth more than it's price tag (Skyrim, MGS4, to name a couple), and that game generally gets excellent reviews all around.

MW3 seems to be highly reviewed by the "professional gaming journalists," but that doesn't matter when you have a huge outcry of consumers stating otherwise. Gaming journalism is a damn joke nowadays, anyway.

geth1gh said it in his first sentence here, and I can confirm. I was once a HUGE fan of COD, and then MW2 came out. WaW and Black Ops gave me a little faith, but MW3 is a damn turd. I tried hard to love MW3 as much as I did CoD4, but that wasn't going to happen. MW2 pushed me away, and towards BF:BC2. MW3 was the final nail in the coffin. Now, I side with Battlefield.

Bubs to both of you.

farhad2k84960d ago

@geth1gh
But WHY are you still bothered about a game that you no longer BUY?!!
You no longer give them your money, so why care?

Why is it that EVERY MW3 article I click on, I see people hate on CoD? I don't even play the game much, but EVERYWHERE i go.. I see BF fanboys.

grog20064958d ago

Hours played relates to gameplay in the sense that those that enjoy the series get a lot of time out of it. The fact that the single player campaign is short is not an issue for them-- they find their quality in the multiplayer experience.

And yes, I would agree with that statement partially. Buying a three dollar game and enjoying it for that many hours would make the game much more cost-effective to the user.

The argument is not that hours = quality. The argument goes towards the value of the game itself in terms of price. Qualities, in your use of the term, are much more subjective. As stated in the article, I do not enjoy CoD games. I'm merely defending it from the onslaught of 'haters'.

geth1gh4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

Okay, not going to bother evey reading this or clicking on the link for that matter after reading the first setnence here.

WOW has 100x more content than cod and blizzard adds tons of free content and keeps the world new on a daily basis. So that is no where near a fair comparison. It currently takes up close to 50gb on my hdd and COD can fit on a 9gb dvd disc.

Also add to the fact that COD is much more of a next gen game. Meaning the same amount of content is going to take up more space in a exponential amount compared to a game like WOW.

Not to mention you are also paying for the servers on top of everything else blizzard does. Xbox live users already pay $60-$120 a year for depending on their subscription.

So yea, that comparison seems like it comes from the mind of a average COD player.

mendicant4961d ago

You didn't bother to read past the first sentence, yet you typed all that?

Yeah.

Kahvipannu4961d ago (Edited 4961d ago )

Yeah, comparing WoW to CoD, and saying CoD has more to offer by it's price, pretty much tells the writer of this knows nothing about what he is writing about.

Maybe he compared it becouse Activision is also involved in it? So he tryed to explain that he thinks Activision is milking WoW players, and CoD is the true place to get money worth content?

Roflmao, that's like trying to convince himself to believe that. Last CoD games have been nothing more than modded MW1 games, kudos to WaW even tryed something different and take the formula forward, and everybody who don't see it after 5 games this gen (yes, 5 almost identical games), is insane or in denial.

Time used in game is not somekind of meter how good the game is, as Battletorn stated. If I play Tetris one hour a day, I still wouldn't pay 60€ for it, and every year same price again for recolor of the blocks. Paying for same content again and again, and playing it again and again, doesn't make it a smart deal.

Again, I'm not saying that the game is bad, everybody have own judgement on that, but I just can wonder how these people can't see how A is milking the franchise...

geth1gh4961d ago

@ mendicant

In some cases you can judge a book by its cover. When they start off with something as outrageous as that, then yes, that is all I need.

Why bother wasting my time reading all of it and then typing up all of that plus more when I can just type that up?

grog20064958d ago

If you read the article, you'd find that I do not personally enjoy the Call of Duty games at all. It's not my thing. I'm just trying to defend it from the rush of people declaring it to be wholly and entirely 'evil'

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DARK WITNESS4960d ago

lololololol...

ok, bro, carry on!

I can't wait to read part two of this.

grog20064958d ago

Glad to hear you enjoyed it!

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Call of Duty: Modern Warfare III & Warzone - Season 6 Combat Pack Trailer

Free for Playstation owners

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Modern Warfare 3 flooded with cheaters after arrival on Xbox Game Pass

Players are using hacks to gain an advantage in the game, such as aimbots and wall hacks. The first gives a player superhuman aiming abilities, while a wall hack lets you see through walls to gauge where other players are.

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Jin_Sakai329d ago (Edited 329d ago )

“These hacks are typically used by PC players, but those playing on PC via Xbox Game Pass are identified as Xbox players in multiplayer lobbies.”

This is pretty dumb to say the least.

Cacabunga328d ago

All about them headshots for Xbox

badz149328d ago

Gotta pump those numbers up

blackblades328d ago

That's a WTF, they suppose to be labeled as pc users even if its on PC game pass. They mess that up big time.

XiNatsuDragnel328d ago

Oh bad this will be entertaining to watch

ZycoFox328d ago

If AI keeps getting better (and it will) it's just a matter of time before there's more sophisticated cheats even for consoles, and they wouldn't even need to be running on it, I have little doubt about that.

lelo2play328d ago

Don't Gamepass online games have anti-cheat systems?
If not, that's pretty dumb. Microsoft need to fix that asap.

Rynxie328d ago (Edited 328d ago )

They won't ever fix this problem, unless they (developers, publishers, Sony and MS) go after the cheat providers directly. You no longer need to hack consoles to use hacks. During the ps360 days, they were going after cheat devices, but it was a cat and mouse game. These cheating methods were around during those days, it's nothing new, but they kept it under control. Since the PS4/Xbox one generation, they stopped going after these cheating devices and it became widespread. Which I find odd, since they started charging for online play (PS4).

StormSnooper328d ago (Edited 328d ago )

Possibly, this is because the companies were going after cheats because the same cheats were being used to pirate the games, whereas today, the companies use online verification to prevent piracy, thus eliminating the need to go after people who cheat only to gain an advantage in the game. As long as the cheater remains below the radar, and does not completely break the game, the companies look the other way as their wallets are not threatened by it. (that is my completely Uneducated opinion on the matter)

pwnmaster3000328d ago

I mean, COD games was always filled with hackers, nothing new. I can’t blame MS on this. Activision had years to try and fix this. Might take MS some time to make some change.

Rude-ro328d ago

It all depends…
Microsoft’s guidance on how to handle gamepass on pc and their love to force crossplay with pc seems like a them issue.
And they own activision, so it is still a them issue.

StormSnooper328d ago

lol well that sucks.

Is there a reason this happened upon arrival on xbox?

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Activision Reportedly Sold An AI-Generated Skin In Call Of Duty

The Yokai's Wrath bundle was released despite previous guarantees by Activision that A.I. would not be used for final assets, per the report. Instead, Activision assured developers it was simply for internal concepts. That, of course, was not followed through. For what it's worth, per the PlayStation Store, 2,400 COD Points cost $19.99, meaning players potentially spent real-life money on a skin that was not created by an actual human.

As far as A.I. use goes across Activision, a source told Wired that 2D artists are utilizing A.I. to aid their work. That is a result of mass layoffs, in which many 2D artists were impacted. “A lot of 2D artists were laid off,” the source named Noah said. “Remaining concept artists were then forced to use A.I. to aid in their work.” Mandatory A.I. trainings have been implemented, according to Noah.

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boing1331d ago (Edited 331d ago )

I mean, is this even surprising?

just_looken331d ago

It is not ubisoft has a ai tool for crating stories/script's they even talked about npc's having there own ai speech like we see with those skyrim mods.

Ai is the future sadly which sucks in so many way's.

S2Killinit331d ago (Edited 331d ago )

Activision. And MS. They will ruin console gaming forever.

Oh and where the FRIGGIN outrage people? When Sony makes a remaster of a masterpiece single player story driven game, they get roasted. But this, this, goes unnoticed? Then don’t complain that you aren’t getting enough single player story games.

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just_looken331d ago

Ea and ubisoft also use ai

ea using ai for development threatening mass layoffs.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/...

ubisoft ai for npc speech
https://www.theverge.com/20...

Almost every big boy in the industry is using ai in some sort of way now

Oh and sony? well they are making spyware ai were they can see how long it took you to do X and adjust difficultly.
https://gamerant.com/sony-a...

Then you got AI agents
https://www.ign.com/article...

https://www.creativebloq.co...

blackblades331d ago

Sony ai is a patent doesnt mean it came to light

just_looken331d ago

@blackblades

Wow this site every time you say the S word or P word they dive in defend there god its beyond nuts

I said "they are making"

You know a term that means its not out yet ffs

S2Killinit331d ago (Edited 331d ago )

How is that a response to what I said? Are they also selling AI generated skins?

Cacabunga330d ago (Edited 330d ago )

Always bringing useless links totally off topic.. just to try to show you are superior in knowledge to everyone else

…simply laughable

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just_looken331d ago

@S2Killinit

You never mentioned skins in your comment just stated its all microsoft's fault like so many others.

When like i showed they are late to the ball game as every other company is using or plans to use ai in various field.

If you combine everything then its getting closer to hitting a button and poof out comes a game no soul no passion nothing.

Right now its art/3d models/skins/writing/voice work some and coding can all be done via ai.

S2Killinit331d ago (Edited 331d ago )

That was the whole point of my comment, I wrote it in response to the article. Instead of focusing on making exciting games and developing talented developers, they are busy making AI generated skins that people are buying for huge sums of money. Then, some people turn around and shit on Sony when it tries to capitalize on single player classics by making remasters, and the same people then complain that they want more single player games. MS cannabalized the industry because they never thought making games was essential to their business. So, instead of nurturing theor own studios, they let them die, then went and shrunk the industry, hurting interests of every gamer in the world. Anytime there is a bad trend in the industry, MS is at the helm, leading the way. That is what I’m saying.

smashman98331d ago

I'm sorry but do you honestly believe Sony will sit out of A.I. Every executive at every one of these publishers is wetting themselves in delight at the prospect of A.I. You best believe that once we start seeing it spread throughout the industry Sony won't be too far behind. The only people we'll have to blame are the consumers themselves.

S2Killinit330d ago (Edited 330d ago )

No, I don't believe that Sony will not do the same. But, as I mentioned, MS is always the first to embrace such things and create the worst trends. Once they establish that this is the best way to make money, everyone else will follow. (Have to follow if they want to stay competitive)

thesoftware730330d ago

S2, and blackblades:

All from the Horse's mouth below.

"Artificial intelligence (AI) in video games is crucial for Gen Z and Gen Alpha, who seek “personalization across everything,” says PlayStation executive Asad Qizilbash."

“Advancements in AI will create more personalized experiences and meaningful stories for consumers.”

"He emphasized that AI could enable non-player characters to interact with players based on their actions, enhancing the personal connection within the game."

Yeah, Just MS and Activision...smh

S2Killinit330d ago

I’ve already explained myself twice. Quit your false equivalence, same thing the xbox fateful pulled before and after the ABK acquisitions. Which by the way, blew up in your faces real good. Now, doing the same thing when someone brings up MS’s nefarious behavior, defend them to the end, and watch them scorch gaming as they have been. At least rest of us can take consolation in that the smoke will go in your eyes before anyone else’s.

thesoftware730330d ago (Edited 330d ago )

"Quit your false equivalence, same thing the xbox fateful pulled before and after the ABK acquisitions. Which by the way, blew up in your faces real good."

I'm not sure what you are talking about, you seem to have a issue communicating, because we are on a post about using AI to create video games content, and you put that solely at the feet of MS and Activision, when it's being, and will be used industry wide, right from Sony mouth, I would say it's relevant...then you went on to give Sony a spit shine slob down about a masterpiece TLoU when this had absolutely nothing to do with Sony or TLoU, then you attempted to clean up your rambling spit shine with no real backing for a ridiculous comment.

Obviously you meant to post that nonsensical over exaggerated comment. I also don't know what blew up in people faces, I am perfectly fine with the game industry, I don't have time to be internet outraged about nothingness.

Really read your comment and listen to what you said.

"Activision. And MS. They will ruin console gaming forever."

Bro, for real? Really? Seriously? It's that serious? So there is nothing Sony and Nintendo can do against MS and Activision? MS is 3rd place with you even talking about?

If we stay relevant on MTX, then you still sound ridiculous because again, you lay it all at MS and Activision's feet when almost all companies have used some form of MTX, including yup... Sony.

S2Killinit326d ago

I read this comment, it boiled down to “seeiously?”.

My answer: yes seriously. Since you didn’t say anything else, what else can I tell you? Yes MS is seriously ruining gaming. They have been for some time, and working their way to where we are today, and aren’t even done yet. MS are the worst thing to happen to console gaming.

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swedishMeatwad331d ago

"The Yokai's Wrath bundle was released despite previous guarantees by Activision that A.I. would not be used for final assets, per the report."

We're talking concept art? Because as of right now there's no way to generate a final 3D model with final textures. So the final assets don't use AI. That's not to say that it sucks for 2D artist that it's easier to generate visual ideas and build from them leading to less 2D artists needed (really sucks), but are they say the final concept art was completely AI generated and then 3D artists built from that? And yes, I'll pile on that Activision as a publisher and their developers I have experience with suck and they'll do whatever, ethics be damned.

OldDuffer330d ago

Thats actually a very useful and informative piece, thank you.

just_looken330d ago

@OldDuffer

Your welcome though it seems it went over many users heads.

PapaBop331d ago

Wow I can just imagine the likes of Activision, EA and Ubi etc having an army of AIs creating overpriced crap and the fanboys just lapping it up. I hope the AIs have a good union.

montebristo331d ago

I understand why people think it’s good idea to Unionize to fight back against such things but it’s not. It’s a bad idea. It’s activisions wet dream to have these pumped out weekly by some AI. Protect your neck!

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