Double blow for The Orange Box PS3

Pspsps.tv writes: "All in all, things are looking pretty grim for the PS3 version. 1UP's recent preview is particularly cutting, revealing some staggering consistency problems in the game's framerate, which apparently is only meant to be running at a pathetic 30fps anyway. The blame for this – possibly unfairly – is going to fall on EA's shoulders. Valve palmed off the PS3 development to an internal EA team at an early stage so that it could concentrate on the more directly compatible 360 version."

[Real gamer 4 life]

LOL i wasnt going to buy it anyways, i good right now with uncharted call of duty assasin creed and ut3 when its released.

[jiggyjay]

sure is a lot of shooters on this console!

[n_n]

i was going to get OB instead of UT but that's changed now. my money goes to the developers who work hard and CARE ABOUT THEIR PRODUCT and NOT about a console war. there's NO excuse in bringing out a bad product.

Infinity Ward
Free Radical
Epic
Naughty Dog
Insomniac
Ninja Theory

never complained about the ps3 architecture and they all produced amazing games with no problems. the fact that the cofounder of valve would spit out such hatred words from the get-go already sealed the fate for the ps3 version of OB. very unprofessional. seems like he cares more about the platform war than his own g*ddamn product and his companies reputation.

[Bombomb]

So MS and the XBOX 360 can really get some EXCLUSIVES.

What a bag of Whinos this gen, Sony fans. That's gonna lead to bad relationship with developers and will come to MS's open arms.

Hopefully thats what happens..so the 360 becomes the next PS2.

continue to whine and cry.

[fusionboxer]

Look. It's not about ps3 owners "whining" or "crying" it's about console owners as a whole realizing what a good product is and what a bad product is. The very point of the story is not to piss people off, but to inform us that the Orange box might not be up to the standards that most ps3 owners expected. This simple information means it'd simply be stupid for us to go out and by a faulty product not even created by the original developers.

Bethesda used the Cell to create a smoother and nicer looking Oblivion with very little complaints other then the disc read speed of blu ray. Did that stop them? If anyone is whining and crying its gabe newell from valve. I honestly don't think its very professional and it may just be me so I'm honestly sorry if that offends anyone, but comon. Be a soldier Gabe and work through the problems instead of running away from them.

[hades07]

....all you ever do is whine and complain. I have been coming to this site quite often lately to help me decide what games to buy (Assassin's Creed and COD4, both of which I love) and all I see is people posting comments to complain and whine like Zer0ne. Does Anybody know how to discuss a topic anymore sensibly.

[SWORDF1SH]

i thought zerOne was reasonable in is comment. i thought he brought up issues that can be discussed and it seems your the one thats being retarded. it also seems you dont kno how to discuss a topic. so instead of whining at zerOne, tell him what you agree with and what you dont agree with in his comment and have a debate or discuss the issues he brought up.

[CrazzyMan]

but i mus dissapoint you, with all GREAT exclsuive games, which will come in 2008, there will be no chance, for crappy quality products to sell on PS3.
People will just buy MGS4, Infamous, Getaway3, GT5, Wardewil, Gow3, KZ2, Resistance2, FFXIII, WKS, SO4, LBP and etc.
And if 3rd party developers will want to sell their games on PS3, they will have to make good quality products.

ofcourse, they could make good sales on x360 alone, but after 2008 they won`t be able to ignore 30 mln. ps3 sold worldwide. =)

And btw, ps3 has HDD as standart(hello mass effect and lifts), Blu-ray for spaces(hello mass effect 15h of main story), Free Online(hello 50$/per year, 300$ in 6 years) and strong Japanese and 1st-2md party developers support.

[ben hates you]

as i've always said shut the hell up about things you don't own

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

@fusionboxer

Good one man, bubble for you! That's just it, If Gabe don't want to develop for PS3, just don't put the game on PS3. Stop whining, cause it's pathetic, many third party games was on Xbox and don't on PS2 and the other way around and nobody was pathetic crying that don't want to develop to some system but still making this and asking for our money.

[wind_dragon]

boycott all the games that are internally developrd by EA. (how about that?)
I understand wat ur saying soup but EA needs to stop bullsh!tting PS3 owners with lower quality titles like:
Skate
Madden
OB
NFS
Live
(and others)
i say the trend needs to end, or else Activision will take their spot.

[ravinash]

And I'm not going to buy it for my 360 either.
If the Dev wants to do a half ass job of creating this product that that their business...but I'm not going to reward them for it.
It seems like the developers feel like they can send out any old junk these days and get away with it because the hype around it is so much that people will buy it anyway.
people invest good money into their console and they are the customer, so they should be treated with respect no matter what that console is.

[Scrooge]

Common Sony fans, you can be adults about this. Listing off all the great games you can play instead of this doesn't keep it from being one of the greatest FPS's ever made. It's HL2! Even if it sucks for PS3 it's worth updating your PC just enough to play it. All the great games that sony has now can't make up for OB's loss, it's that good.

[athlon770]

BomBomb, Hades07, Benisme, Scrooge: You guys need to buy a clue, or at least a vowel!

Benisme, WTF is your problem? "as i've always said shut the hell up about things you don't own". CrazyMan did not say one thing which was not true! Especially when he states "And if 3rd party developers will want to sell their games on PS3, they will have to make good quality products." Which is a very true statement across all consoles. So Benisme, how about you do us a favor and keep this discussion relevant or you can keep quiet!

For the rest of you saying crap about the PS3, well, maybe you are right, but in the same breath, how do you explain that there are so many great games, and yes I will even include multiplats, for the PS3, yet EA releases dud after dud. And you want me to support them, reward them, even praise them for releasing a shtty game for my console of choice? That is truly moronic! The other developers seem to have gotten their hands around the PS3, what is EA's issue? More to the point, what is your issue Bombomb? How about you Dades07? You guys seem to think that the OrangeBox is supposed to be a great system seller and the next best thing to sliced bread...the game is over 2yrs old with graphics that can be done on the PS2, and EA can't scrape up enough talent to make it correctly for the PS3? Whatever, Oh please EA, please release yet another POS game for a console you don't care to create for. Please release yet another half a$$ed attempt at a game that runs fine on last years console, but sucks on this years console.

[xhi4]

if your a ps3 owner and want this crap to just stop, then boycott it. This is bullshit.

Get UT3 or Haze, don't let EA and Gabe screw around with us and a masterpiece, get it on PC if needed!

[Leathersoup]

If you want fewer companies to bother putting software out for the PS3, boycott anyone who has problems developing games for the system. That'll show them. It's not like these companies say... screw it... we're paying these employees to work on this software .... but we want to pay them for no reason... tell them to take their time working on their project so we can postpone making any money off of it.

In summary. If anyone has problems writing software for the PS3, make sure they don't bother to do so in the future by not buying the games.

Just another reason why this fanboy attitude is going to end up hurting the PS3 rather than help it.

[360sucks]

from EA

[Leathersoup]

The game that's being developed exclusively for the PS3?

[xhi4]

I see your point, and as valid as it is when is this going to stop?

It will stop when these companies that make shoddy ports etc. wake up and realise us consumers are not going to put up with sh*t like this, that us consumers have a choice in what quality of game we buy and deserve to receive.

[Polluted]

Good idea Leathersoup. We'll just buy up all the terrible ports and half assed, buggy games crappy devs like EA put out. Never mind all the decent games that are coming out or already have come out this past little while. If we all buy this terrible port of Orange Box instead of UT3 or something, then we can expect more quality titles from EA in the future. /end sarcasm.

What the hell are you talking about?

Also, the new Burnout is being developed by Criterion, not EA. EA is only publishing. And it's not PS3 exclusive, it's multi platform like all the Burnouts have been.

[Ju]

I'm curious if all this (EA)sh!t will hurt Burnout. Would be a pity, but, well, either they get their sh!t fixed or EA will loose PS3 market shares (if they would ever care - probably not, and so won't I).

What I really want to know is, how EA works. How comes, that the Burnout team can deliver, while another one in the same company cannot. Lost communication in an overly huge "conglomerate" ?

[ruibing]

I agree with this article on the following points:

1) Valve openly insulted the PS3 platform
2) Valve then handed it to an EA development team, either for economic reasons or as a further insult if you look at EA's track record on the PS3
3) 1Up's preview of the near final build showed a lot of performance issues
4) PSN still has not been graced with a demo

When we have problems like this from the pair, why should we buy this FPS when there are so many other good ones out there. Epic took the time and made UT3 available on the PS3 available in mid-December. Infinity Ward said they made sure to allocate some of their best programmers on the PS3 version. And a lot of PS3 owners still have not lost hope for Haze to be released in December as well.

Sure developers/publishers only make one dollar from every purchase we make, but this is one dollar they are not getting from me anytime soon.

[Leathersoup]

I'm not saying you should buy anything. I'm just saying you have a system that people are developing for but not having an easy time of it.

Unfortunately there is a coin with two sides. On the one side there are people who are developing games solely for the PS3 which has its own unique architecture. These games, as far as I know, run fine.
On the other side of the coin there are games that are being developed for the 360 or the PC who's architecture the 360 is very similar to.

A lot of these companies are NOT just porting the games over. They have multiple teams working simultaneously on different versions of the game. I believe Infinity Ward stated that they had their best team working on the PS3 version of Call of Duty 4. Ubisoft also had primarily started programming Assassin's Creed on the PS3 and then had another team work on the 360 version.

If EA is not putting their best team on the PS3, I can see how this might seem as though they were slighting the PS3 user base, but it's not like other companies aren't doing the same thing with the 360 version not getting the best team.

I haven't seen any 360 users saying they're going to boycott COD4 because they didn't put their best team on the game. Or Ubisoft for not thinking of the 360 user base before the PS3 base.

As for whether if games ported from the PS3 to the 360 would run like crap on the 360, we may never actually see this occur because the PS3 fanbase seems to want to boycott any company that would want to make a port of a PS3 game for the 360. It seems to me to be a unreasonably self centered stand to take.

[Peekay]

I am very impressed at your above post as you make some valid points. But I think the point is that it’s not about having the best team working on the game. PS3 owners will be satisfied just getting a game running smoothly/playable on the ps3. I find it absolutely inexcusable that the game’s frame rate is slowing down to the point where it affects game play. Same with Madden – the game was 2 x slower on the ps3 than the 360. I don’t know about you but I want quality for what I pay for.

We all know IW isn’t the largest developer on the planet – in fact far from it. Now EA being the largest, and having all these resources can’t even produce a quality game for the Ps3. The mentality is - get the game out pronto so we can get make a quick buck. The same mentality carries for with NFS and Madden. I think it should stop. If the NFL hadn’t given EA the license exclusively we would had a quality football game by now.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

Nobody need to boycott anything... Specially Criterion's Burnout, that is just published by EA.

All that people maybe would do for a better support for PS3 is stop buying crap games and start buying the good ones. Ratchet is a great game that don't sell that much, but Harry Potter games sells a lot (for a game that costs almost nothing to do). This kind of comportment that stimulates big third parties like EA to sell us any crap, the same goes on Madden, with the crap ports.

If you guys just don't buy crap games, sooner or later this third parties will realize that if they want to make some money on the platform, they better spend some money to make the game, and don't preoccupy yourselves about this parties don't releasing more games on PS3, cause this parties making the crap games, are the same trying to get every piece of the market they can, and anyway, they know that sell games is always profitable if you do it right.

The bigger problem is, people that need to heard it, aren't the king standing around game foruns.

[ravinash]

We just need to Boycott the crappy games.
If the Publisher invests X amount of $ into a game and the game is good and it sells well, then great!
But if they just port something over and make a crappy job of it then it shouldn't sell...its that simple.
Thats when the company looks at what their doing and relise that if they put the extra effort in then they'll get a return.
Its sad that compaines like Valve don't have the technical skill to move with the times, but I think they are just living off the back of their franchise these days...thats why any new game than comes out from them is boxed with their main game, because they don't have the confidance to release it on its own.

[Leathersoup]

I can understand the wish to boycott games that have low frame rates or chug issues. In the same vein most people will do that with games that come out anyway.

When game reviewers state that a game has poor frame rates, most people will end up staying away from a particular title anyway. It usually doesn't require a "boycott", simple buyer common sense will hold true. We just need more people to pay attention to reviews and we need more reviewers to be critical of the games and not pander to the hype-o-meter for the games.

[athlon770]

your posting go from bad to great!

2.1 You sound like a normal 360 fanboy using Vinigar instead of Wine. The main problem I have with this post is that while there may be a learning curve on the PS3, you don't see a developer push out more than 1 or 2 games that don't quite live up to the fame. EA however, has put out 6 ports to the PS3, and all 6 have sucked! And you expect them to get my support? Don't think so!

2.3 This is much better, though I am not sure why you got so many dissagrees...did something change and Paradise is no longer exclusive? You have your head on straight and make a valid point, but the problem is, this is not a port, this is a exclusive and at this point is not showing any framerate issues. So I agree with you here, while a boycott of EA may not be warrented, surely a boycott of their half a$$ed attempts at ports would be.

2.8 Wow, just wow. This is a great post and you hit on some great points, however, we are not talking about the 360 here, we are talking about the PS3. The 360 is basicaly a PC in a small box. So you do not need you "best" developers for it. It is very easy to program for, and the games it has proves it. The PS3 is however, more difficult just like its older brother the PS2. The problem is that EA does not seem to have the smart people on hand to put a multiplat game on the PS3. So until they get their act straight, no, I will not give them any of my money for a game that does not play right.

[gamesR4fun]

After Gabes last rant and the choice to give it to EA I can only hope it bombs on the ps3.

[jackdoe]

It is gonna give Half-Life 2 a bad name.

[Ju]

Oh, yeah, that was the guy who said "we don't even use the SPUs"...they probably should have.

[Vip3r]

EA sucks more balls than Paris Hilton on viagra.

[SKUD]

LMAO!!!!

[kr9091]

LMAO!

[Salvadore]

I wont to buy one unless developers stop being EA "lazy".

[Polluted]

There are more than enough great games out for the PS3 now. I'm not exactly loaded, but I do alright...well enough to get a PS3 anyway...the point being there are too many games out now or coming out soon for me to keep up with and not go broke. The library's not quite as extensive than the 360 yet, but there's plenty of good games to be had. Take the plunge if you've been thinking about it. Who needs EA?

Oh and I'm not bashing the 360. I plan to pick one up soon, but the whole "no games on PS3" argument is dated and silly at this point.

[Ju]

I have 15 games, 2 of them EA, one is Tiger Woods and the other Home Court (because it was 19.90). And that's it. We'll see if I feel the urge to add more, but I think my motivation needs a push to do so. Short answer, if you want to enjoy the PS3, you are not dependent on EA.

[Evil0Angel]

they aalways ignore the devlopr and go with design that suite them and thier first party devloper. it happened in last gen when they lunched PS2( but it did not have real competion, and it was market lader) but this time i am really happey to see them fu@ked up and paying for their attitude and they got no one to blame but them self .

[pacman615]

sony asked for it....you are right....sony went with a hardware design for success...to deliver the only real next gen system in the market place...and for that, everyone SH1TS on them...and i for one am tired of that....the takeover has already began...with every new generation....specs change...thus the developers have to adapt...you either roll with the punches or get rolled over son....

[Naruto]

UT3 on PS3 will sell 2 million copies because EPIC rocks and EA sucks

[Ri0tSquad]

who didn't?

[vaan]

This sucks balls. 360-UP did not mention TF, did the f()ck that up too?

[RadientFlux]

While it is terrible how "The Orange Box" is looking on the PS3 (thanks to EA doing the port).

Who really cares that PSPSPS.tv is calling for a boycott. I mean before this article I've never even heard of "PSPSPS.tv". I online boycott is as pointless as starting up an online petition.

[s8anicslayer]

when ea or ea like dev's port a 360 game to the ps3,it's like their trying to make a diesel engine run on gasoline,the point is that is the difference between the 360 and the ps3

[Devr]

I'd boycott it. Not getting a few years old game running smoothly on the Ps3 after numerous delays is beyond pathetic.

[Laexerias]

SERIOUSLY, WHO THE F*CK CARES ABOUT THIS GAME!?!?!

[crazy25000]

oh well, didnt expect much from sh!t heads like gabe.......what a deuschbag......im boycotting EA for a while......

i hope those sh!theads are reading this too, once the install base grows theyll start sucking up, then they will get on their knees and we can just smack the sh!t out of their tiny supposedly brains

damn assholes.....i freakin hate em.....only IW pissed me off close to this with the servers, but they fixed it fast so they are still awesome

[Chris_GTR1]

if this game were to actually be boycotted wouldnt that make it worse? if nobody buys it then obviously theyll think next time before releasing episode 3 on the ps3.(since orange box didnt sell if boycotted)

[SnakeCL]

Well, since they won't be making the source engine any more capable on the PS3, if Episode 3 did get released it'll be just as shoddy as orange box.

[pacman615]

only half life games worth playing are 1 and 2....the episodes are not that great anyways....ps3 is better off without them.

[Chris_GTR1]

well ive been using phil as a avatar for some time now... what else can i change it to? dunno. if only i could put phil as a avatar on my psn instead of the lame resistance guy lol

[ravinash]

Its amazing how quickly EA has gotten a reputation for its self for shoddy work programming for it.
Everyone else (except Valve of course) seem to be getting on with it and producing good stuff now.
Maybe EAs getting too big and they think they can get away with it....its up to the consumer to show them they can't.

[Xi]

boycott the game, boycott all of ea's games, that'll just make them do more work on the 360 and wii.

Though a sad fact, a console without EA's support is dead in the water.

[The_Engineer]

to go down with the 360, very shorsighted of them.

developers come and go, for every genius that can't code for the PS3, 5 more will spring up who can.

[Xi]

could you offer a rebuttal?

EA is the largest game developer.
EA has some of the highest selling franchises.
EA has some of the best and widely known franchises, including NFS, Madden, BF, Burnout, c&c.
EA owns many satellite developers, including bioware, maxis, etc

Having the support of EA is very important.

[snoopgg]

The ps3 is already living without Ea putting out 1 decent game for the ps3 this year. Ea sucks right now for the ps3, I ask you people, please don't buy shat from them. We need them to step up their game and stop all these lackluster lazy ports. Give your support to developers who take the time to make the best game possible for a system. Don't reward these guys for games that could have been alot better for the amount of time they had to port them. Ea needs a wakeup call........ Fark Halflife, Killzone 2 will destroy it graphically, performance wise, and Ea probally ruined the Halflife story somehow in translation to the ps3. Hell, Resistance was a launch game and turned out better then this Halflife piece of shat. Hey Gabe thanks, I will never buy another one of your games and Ea, I already have stopped buying your shat since Madden and I am doing fine without your support.

[Ugly American]

It is ridiculous for ANYBODY to think that EA has no impact on a console.

The only reason the PS2 has done so well is the sports game. Football, Basketball, Hockey... and guess who makes most of those games?

EA.

Guess who WANTS to come to the PS3 and play those games? All of those PS2 owners. I have a hard time seeing them doing that if the vicious cycle of crappy ports, boycotting, more crappy ports, and more boycotting continues.

[athlon770]

I dissagreed with you for you lame comment "Though a sad fact, a console without EA's support is dead in the water."

The PS3 is by no means "dead in the water" just because we choose not to purchase any of EA's dead end ports! And I am sure you are smart enough to realize that comment would get you a lot of dissagrees. Quite frankly I am supprised you don't have more.

In your 2nd post, you bring up a couple of valid points, and yes, EA is/was a great publisher. But as many have stated, how far do you expect them to go with bad port after bad port after bad port? EA is the ONLY publisher who has put out over 3 games and not come to terms with the PS3's hardware.

[Ahmadinejad]

I dotn understand what the boycott is meant to achieve. most developers look at PS3 as a very expensive dvelopment platform andnot as profitable in sale figures. so i dont understand what the boycott is trying to show them?? we are not buyign the game you wasted 2 years developing. nice, next time give us a better game. well the developers might just think, f*ck it, i go for easier option and make money instead of dealing with crap like this.

Its a bad situation fro PS3 again and developers and doesnt matter how much people b*tch about EA and lazyness, EA is one of the biggest publisher and developers so its just counterproductive to act snubbish towards them.

[Ri0tSquad]

Sony doesn't lose, we don't lose, they lose, and we buy another game while this one suffers from poor sales because of bad/lazy developers giving us a garbage port. If they really had that attitude you were showing who would that really benefit in the end? Sure as hell not them. They would lose even more loyal ps3 fans and sales. Haha this just means UT3, Haze, and COD4 will end up having better sales on the ps3.

[Skerj]

So you're saying we should accept every crapass port they throw at us to be more productive? No, it's not like we're getting the games for free or they're making them for free. If I'm paying 60 bucks for a game I deserve as good of a port as any other system, money is money. If they release the game in that state it's going to get outsold easily by UT3.

[jackdoe]

PS3 owners will just buy a better game and developers aren't stupid. They know when they release a crappy product.

[Polluted]

Devs have access to the same sales figures that we do. When they see Epic, IW, Free Radical...pretty much everyone profiting off their shooters and the Orange Box getting slaughtered because they couldn't make it work right on the same hardware everyone else is using, they'll know to do better next time. If they don't...well, sucks to be them. Half Life is awesome, but it's not like there aren't other games out there. Boycotting may not be the most effective method of getting a point across, but paying for substandard products will only serve to make matters worse. It's tantamount to paying EA for the privilege of giving Peter Moore a handjob an a corporate bathroom stall.

[snoopgg]

You know how they reached this title? They used to put out quality games consistently, and when they can't do that any longer then I and all ps3 owners should stop supporting them. Why should anyone buy inferior software, when there is much better to be played on the ps3. Its a waste of thier time and money, as well as out time and money. They should have the best programmers money can buy, Christ they buy everything outthere and publish it. They should use some of that money on better programmers if the current one arent cutting it. Boycott this Monopoly until they step it up people.

[MANTIIS]

..they should be boycotted in Pakistan, too. Don't you think, Ahmadinejad? BOO_YAH!!!

[jackdoe]

That is lame. EA is becoming a joke to PS3 owners.

[Spike47]

i'M FED UP WITH EA.

FRICKEN LAZY BASTARDS

[n_n]

let's not blame EA the most.. it's that fat ass lard Newell who we should be hating on more. he's the ignorant "professional" that spewed crap out of his mouth and purposely passed the project over to EA.

dude needs to spend his time and money on a diet program. hope he gets a heart attack and dies.

[mikeslemonade]

This game isn't going to get my full $60 because it's being released after COD4. Maybe at $30 I will get it for portal.

[Peekay]

Honestly you're way better off getting COD4 or UT3. EA are notorious for taking the easy way out. Look at madden and need for speed franchises. These are CASH COWS. EA knows this and as a result take things for granted. I don't know why poor sods buy the same dam game every year. However Valve are Gabe are probably more to blame. What idiot would say what he said about the ps3 and expect people to buy his game.

[vilmer]

Awww, poor Gabe thinks the PS3 is a "waste of time", what happened to putting in some FRIGGIN' EFFORT just like Infinity Ward, just like Epic, just like Propaganda Games. I won't even touch this PS3 version, buy UT3 people!!

[remix]

i mean ever since mass effect glithches and framerate and any other problems no longer matter, so im sure it will get the same scores as the 360/SARCASM

[crazy25000]

im going to buy ut3 and haze....but not this crap

[BigKev45]

Get a life.

[ulath666]

Your loss if you choose to boycot :P

[jackdoe]

Not really. You just buy the PC version instead. A three year old computer can run Orange Box.

[Lord Cheese]

fact is, HL2 was released for the original XBOX ffs!! Buy it on a pc if you want it at all.

But, if i may say, couldnt the reason to move it to EA possibly just be that the ea studio looking after the port have more experienced PS3 coders than valve do in-house, so should do a better job? (Just a question, not trolling)

[Hagaf22]

count me in.... i played hl2 on pc so its not that much of a loss, but people need to take the time to do things right, and stop cutting corners to make games, im not spending 60 bucks on a half assed game.

[ta1snake]

OK. i'm your team.

[Gantrfaxx]

We should boycott it, i'm reallly thinking of not buying this game although it was a must buy for me. It's a shame the way programmers treat Playstation 3 owners, with late releases and bad ports from other consoles.

[ravinash]

But to put out sub standard work because they can't be assed....well I can't be assed to put my hard earned money to buy it.

[Mercutio]

EA has been doing this for a while now and this gabe dude is weird.. im not buying any EA games any more, i havent this whole year actually...

[OOG FunK]

cuz ya know all the general gaming public listens and watches everything you guys say..... lol hm not yea f it jus go play it on pc or on 360

[jackdoe]

They talk about boycotting the PS3 version of Orange Box, not Orange Box itself.

[Elginer]

that every developer according to PS3 fans are lazy. What makes me laugh the most is one of the reasons they want to boycott is--being insulted by the the lead Valve developer. What did Gabe actually call you a name? No he criticized the hardware and he has every right to, as he's a developer. Man, sometimes the PS3 fanaticals can be downright insane over this crap. PS3 owners according to the many endless posts I've read don't even like FPS's; or did that all of a sudden change? LOL

[The_Engineer]

the world revolves around PS3 owners, not LARDASS gabe, his attitude is typical of an xbot.

[SlippyMadFrog]

"the world revolves around PS3 owners"

Haha! Last gen it did but when are you PS3 fans going to realize that the PS3 is not no 1. The PS3 is dead last at the moment and you guys better start going out and buy some games otherwise more developers are going to become like EA.

BTW, what's the sales figures for R&C, Uncharted and Heavenly Sword? Those are great games but they sell like crap compared to other platforms. What is the reward for making a great game on the PS3? -> NOTHING.

[Salvadore]

But, it is f0cking EA that upsets me because they work by their stupid philosophy of "quantity over quality". I know companies want to make as much profit as possible, but EA is just utterly garbage and they should seriously consider taking lessons from companies like Infinity Ward or Sony's 1st party developers because it isn't acceptable.

[to407]

This is a perfect example of one-eyed man leading the blind astray.
And there is no doubt some people will sheepishly oblige.

[LOFT316]

Consider yoursrlf boycotted
You lazy sacks of sh*te

[wil4hire]

Like most people.

I mean, its a case of too little too late.

While EA continues to pretend they cant develop for the ps3, infinity ward, epic and many others have stepped up to the plate. Creed has engine issues, but they aren't console specific.

I'm not going to buy the Orange Box for the PS3. I was never oging to buy it for the PS3.

I think the main appeal of the orange box was that it was a taste of HL2 for people that couldn't play it on a PC.

But yea, EA can keep delaying games all they want.

I cant wait until Uncharted 2.

And in the meantime, I'll be enjyoing COD4 & UT3.

EA/Valve doesn't care for the ps3, oh well. THey will regret this very soon.

[Hydrollex]

Both of them suck !

Uncharted and COD4 showed PS3 can do more than those bullshit ports.

[chrno6]

I hope Gabe chokes on a pretzel like Bush did.

I am not even going to buy the orange box for my pc since I did not especially enjoy ep1.

[n_n]

torrent the game or get it used

[HondaSIRowner]

EA is pretty much garbage, its OFFICIAL!

So I will say **ck Valve and the "dead man walking" Gabe.

Half-Life isn't close to the hype for UT3, So this means Half-Life doesn't even exist.

UT3 for me.

[pacman615]

EA will not receive another dime from me ....neither will gamestop ...end of discussion

[actas123]

count me in the boycutt

[xaphanze]

I just hope the game doesnt turn out to be bad or else im not getting it.

[akumous]

If you're pc is decent, it doesn't have to be top of the line here with duo core processor and the latest graphics card, you could buy the game for the pc instead. It is cheaper and you'll get more out of it than a console. Trust me, they are better games coming out and for me, only COD 4 one needs for online shooter anyways...

[Bombomb]

MS only Announcement, then We won't here any more conspiracies from PS3 fanboys this gen.

Boycott, what a bunch of turds..

we'll see where that gets sony...the console maker.

Whether you like EA or not, they are too big to fck with. Especially with Madden and other games.

Once you start loosing devs becasue of fanboy's attitudes and not buying games, another dreamcast is just around the corner.

[n_n]

funny how top dog of xbox coincidentally moves over to EA? i wouldn't be surprised if EA starts going xbox exclusive

[Torch]

It would be financial suicide if they did so for all their games.

Given the insane development costs for this generation's titles, companies want to spread their products as far reaching as possible to recoup as much expense (and profit, of course) as possible.

And rightly so...I just wish they did so without trying to take so many shortcuts that the eventual result affects the quality of the original game. I refuse to be the one to suffer and pay for their lack of care when publishing a game to multiple platforms.

Besides, I don't think even the stiff suits of EA would be foolish enough to ignore the blooming and inevitable success of the PS3.

@Bombomb
If our market was akin to that of 1950 USSR, and EA were the only publisher, then your words (read: needless insults) would hold water, but it isn`t. Thank goodness that our competitive system has bred a myriad of stellar developers who are leaps and bounds beyond today`s EA, and who provide products that can easily substitute whatever EA currently has to offer.

I`ve got loads of games for my PS3, PSP, Wii, DS, and PC...and only two are from EA: Fight Night Round 3, which was a gift, and FIFA World Cup 2006...yet another blatant rehash of previous versions which added nothing new to the table but additional cost and a new picture on the cover.

If you think EA`s your necessary, unavoidable sugardaddy, then go ahead and give them your money.

My cash is going to developers whom I feel deserve it and has fulfilled my gaming needs, not to who's the biggest.

Think about it: EA needs us a whole lot more than we need them.

And this kind of information can do nothing less than benefit us, the consumers.

[solsub]

What, so you think that publishers like EA are going to jump ship because 5 fanboys from a small site may boycott their products?

Be realistic, it just isn't going to happen.

[Ju]

I'd be careful what you wish for. PS3 sales matched 360 sales on a global scale the second week in a row.

[The_Engineer]

xbots act like they just got assrammed when PS3 owners dismiss their version of a multiplat title....

you idiots will just NEVER admit that playstation nation calls the shots in the gaming world.

Show me a developer too lazy or unwilling to learn how to code for the PS3 and I'll show a dev who will fade into obscurity or got out of business in the next few years.

[actas123]

Well Ea makes many games. Thats right. But the majority of them are crap. So I don't care if they even make that mistake (business sense wise) and go 360 exclusive.. even though this is very highly unlikely.. since they are going through tough times right now. They closed many development centers and are trying to shrink the company. they closed the whole branch in the city of Chicago, one of their biggest centers.. I think EA should start taking the video game industry more seriously buy making better titles, not just crappy ones and throughing the Ea name on them just to make a few bucks here and there...

[Iggy82]

Plus we haven't got our hands on the game to judge it yet!?

So one little preview from 1Up and all of a sudden we're all masters in the knowledge that the game is bound to total failure on the PS3! Come on people, have faith in your game coders and developers, sure they've done a few bad jobs of previous EA ports from the 360 and such but its not to say the final product will be same.

Don't get me wrong I'm all up for boycotting this if it turns out like everyone's assuming, but thats the point, its a total presumption at the moment, lets see what happens and if EA f*ck up, we'll f*ck em up better!

[Torch]

It seems like only yesterday when EA was a great, groundbreaking company.

They've had their heads up their arses for quite some time now...that's what happens when you get too big, I'm afraid. It's hard to believe that I used to actually get excited about their announcement of new titles.

Although I'm not actively boycotting Orange Box, I will be refusing to get it by default, as a result of all this news of more shoddy PS3 sloppy-seconds. Who wants to spend decent money on a bad game? News like this is good and necessary, as it provides information to help one decide whether they should by the game (and compel the developers to smarten up as a result.)

One bad title...maybe. But this is just too much. Absolutely inexcusable, especially after being subject to numerous stellar PS3 releases as of late <ahem>NaughtyDogInsomnia cEpic<ahem>.

So be it, EA, you shall see no money of mine for a long, looooong time to come.

(OK, I admit it: my decision to avoid Orange Box is to a degree fueled by that bitter, angry, pompous ass, Gabe Newton, and his consistent whining about...well, uh...everything.

C`mon, focus Gabe...FOCUS: Eyes off the Twinkies, and a little more concentration on learning PS3's intricate but wonderful architecture. Because the console's recent titles dictate that ignoring it will amount to your loss more than that of anyone else.

[Ps3Fanboy777]

So its opbviously not the Ps3's fault. Its EA and fat boy Gabe. Thats why I refuse to buy either version...

Half life can be found on www.torrentpond.com

[Lord Cheese]

Not trolling here, but whats wrong with EA?

[n_n]

not for me. i'm not a sports gamer and most of the titles from ea don't appeal to me, most but not all... i just don't like the unprofessional remark that fat lard spewed about a console. it's just wrong.

[Lord Cheese]

the guy is just chasing publicity. Sounds like a complete moron, but who cares? Valve dont exactly have a great history of console games anyway - all they've ever done is a couple of console ports of half life games - hardly an authority on console development. Plus of course he'd favor the 360 - its closer to pc architecture, which is what his devs have experience with.

To be fair, there has to be an element of professional pride in there somewhere. You wouldnt, no matter how little you liked a platform, allow a game you'd painstakingly created to be butchered by amateurs so valve obviously have faith in the EA guys they asked to do the port.

[Real gamer 4 life]

The only game i buy from EA is madden. I hope they lose the madden license already. I want 2k sports to release a football game. they are way better then EA.

[xsteinbachx]

i never thought 2k did that great of a job though either.

[Lord Cheese]

i've got nhl, tiger woods, fifa and skate on my ps3, and they are all great games - i dont see the problem...

[zonetrooper5]

Meh, you hardcore gamers can boycott all you like but the average consumer will still buy it. Now guys, stop be so bitter because Gabe said a feww nasty words lol.

Now go buy or play the games you like on either your PS3 or 360 etc.

[andron]

to do the job right, they should just forget it.

PS3 owners won't put up with half arsed ports any longer. COD4 showed it can be done well.

If this is correct I won't buy it and neither should any other PS3 owner. Then Valve/EA can learn their lesson.

[Forbidden_Darkness]

Do they know why they dont get good sales on games on the ps3?....because they give us crappy as ports like this that make us not want to buy the crappy games...

[jack who]

lulz 360 locked at 30FPS ps3 cant even stay at 20 fps

[gololo]

and it's just because ea sucks...oh well i got this game for the 360 already...im getting ut3 for the ps3 though

[tudors]

So why would they care? ;)

[snoopgg]

it is more expensive to develope on the ps3. If they released two years worth of inferior programming and nobody bought the game, this would matter to them, especially if it becomes a trend with their other games. People will start supporting the developers who care how their final product turns out. Ea sucks right now and doesn't disserve any pity money...........

[resistance100]

i wasn't picking it up anyway as Portal is the only game on it im interested in and a 2hour game isn't worth 40quid. I really wish they release Portal on PSN/XBL as a cheap download

[tudors]

just buy a xbox-360 for the multiplatforms and play the AAA PS3 games when they are released.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Don't forget the AAA 360 exclusives!

[The_Engineer]

and right now I see a very excellent game like Mass Effect make me whince at the slowdowns and framerate drops on the my GLORIOUS 360. I think I'll stick with the outlook for the PS3, it looks much more capable of handling next gen games.

[CrazzyMan]

support M$, which killed Shenmue, dino crysis and other games?
which making to pay for Online Gaming, not for just service alone, which sometimes is laggy, but for online gaming, why?
the online feature was available only on 1 console, and M$ with having monopoly on it, made iit pay for it, M$ doesn`t care about consumers, they are only making money.
ofcourse, they may buy great developers, but only to win, and make gamign More complicated, (say hello to Microtransactions, DLC- you pay for game 60$ ant then another 10-15$ for content,. which should already be in game).
wtf with people, which buy 2 x360? is that normal???

sony are not saint, bu atleast they care about consumers and make quality products.

[MK_Red]

So an internal EA team was working on PS3 version from early stage and yet even with the delay they effed up!? Wow, it's a new low, even for EA.
Codemasters delayed PS3 DiRT and made it better. Infinity Ward released both versions of COD4 and they are both incredible. Same goes for Ubi's Assassin's Creed but when it comes to EA, they have to do what do best: Porting the game in the worst possible way.

Congrats EA, you are officially the worst publisher ever with worst internal teams. Seriously, I think PS3 owners should boycout EA until they start caring for PS3 users. EA is treating PS3 fans like second-hand people/gamers... EA is disgusting.

[Danja]

All games published by EA except the beautiful Burnout Paradise City..remember Criterion are great internal EA devs,..!!

[MK_Red]

Good point Danja. Criteron and their Burnout Paradise should be the only exceptions.

[Stray_Wulf]

Yup ladies and gentlement. EA is pathetic. Now if Infinity Ward, Naughty Dog, Ubisoft, Free Radical, etc etc can make quality titles for PS3 theres absolutely NO excuse for this. You know what launched this type of attitude from EA? Anyone remember a little news article on PETER MOORE MOVING TO EA? yup, now that makes you think doesnt it?. Im NOT a fanboy, I just think its ridiculous that EA has stooped so low in the industry. All other developers are handling the PS3 perfectly and NEVER complain about the systems architecture. EA are the only ones who make themselves look like idiots by saying its too tough to develop on ps3. Keep this up EA and I assure you, u will crash and burn in the industry.

[doshey]

it has been a year stop ur damn bullcrap and make a game for a ps3, actually u idiots have had a year and a half to work with the ps3. come on this is bs

[AngryTypingGuy]

Wow, maybe EA really does have it in for the PS3. They definitely prefer the 360. Not that I'm complaining.

[sonyfanonly]

ah EA sucks anyways see owning a ps3 is not about other companies its all about the sony exclusives see all you M$ FANBOYS MAY BE LAUGHING NOW BUT WAIT TIL 08 you all will be crying for a ps3

[th3_d3an]

I am sick of hearing about this crap with these developers, with games like heavenly sword, uncharted, call of duty4, resistance, folklore, warhawk, and so on there should be no reason for this it is all on the developer and if they don't won't to develope the game for the ps3 then don't!

BUT QUIT BLAMING THE DAMN SYSTEM HOW LONG HAVE SOME OF YOU BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS, THRU HOW MANY DIFFERENT SYSTEMS AND PLATFORMS?

STOP BLAMING THE PS3 YOUR STARING AT AND LOOK AT THE REFLECTION ON ITS SURFACE TO FIND THE REAL PROBLEM NUFF SAID I'M OUT

THIS IS NOT MY OPINION IT IS THE TRUTH AND IN THE WORDS OF JACK NICHOLSON " YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"

[ParaDise_LosT]

EA is obviously the money grubbing type of company

Would they

A. Realize the Ps3 fans are no longer buying their games because of Quality and Spend more money on making quality ports.

or

B.Realize the Ps3 fans are no longer buying their games because of Quality and Drop support for the console all togther.

Doubt 'B' will Happen, but 68% of their profit comes for the 360
(In NA where they're fans and buyers are)
If Ps3 fans boycott I don't think they'll see it as much of a loss since the money comes from either the Wii or 360 and to a lesser extent, PS2.

Either way its a terrible chain.
If you don't stand up for better support by boycott, they might drop support all togther

If you don't boycott, you'll be stuck with terrible ports...

[The_Engineer]

a EA big fathog comes out and says "the PS3 is the most powerful next gen platform and right now we are only using 15% of its power"

NEXT THING YOU KNOW

MS hires head honcho from EA and Peter("I think KZ2 is the reason you should buy a PS3") steps in to run EA sports.

NOW EVERY 360 version of a multiplat runs better and is more polished.

things that make you go hmmmmmmmm

[IntelligentAj]

Having played Half-Life 2 I can't understand why this really matters for those who own a PS3. With UT3, Haze and COD4 why would we even bother with game? And all of this talk of boycotting EA is nonsense. This is the biggest publisher in the world and there is very little to gain from boycotting them(both Sony and gamers). I don't agree with the quality of games they are putting out but stop talking this nonsens about boycotting them.

[antoinetm]

EA has more to lose if it doesnt put more effort on ps3 games.
Because obviously, any space left vacant in the gaming scene would be easily filled.

EA is big and arrogant but competition being what it is, u cannot keep that attitude for too long if you dont deliver.

The only franchise i'm interested in is Crysis and its not coming to console in the near future so....

also, they screwed sim 'cartoon' city already...
and all their other games are below average.
(except maybe their sport games but i cant say, i havent played any beside fifa 08... which i still dont like)

[Imalwaysright]

I dont blame EA for this cos they really cant do anything right i blame Valve and that fat bastard for not taking us PS3 owners in consideration... We deserve to play a good game not a crappy port. If Valve didnt wanted to work on this game they shouldnt have announced it for PS3 and leave us PS3 owners excited for it and for that i say f*ck you for valve and fat Bastard

[xg-ei8ht]

I heard from alittle birdie:0 That COD4 is a port, not built from ground up.

hmm.

But hey gotta give some love to naughty dog for Uncharted Drakes Fortune@ 1280x720p with 2xfsaa. Congrats guys.

[jlytle1234]

warhawk is wayyy better than team fortress. half life two is so old, who hasnt played it. and i can take or leave the rest. warhawk, assassins creed, cod 4 and uncharted trump this game on the buy list. And its absolutely pathetic that they cant get this game running as well as the 360 version based upon what ive seen from the games listed above. Thats just terrible programing and lousy excuses. If you cant do a good job then ask for help from sony or some dev that actually knows what they are doing and acts like they give a damn.

[IntelligentAj]

Well why would they do that if Gabe Newell already stated his disdain for the PS3 and obviously doesn't care whether it does well or not.

[jlytle1234]

why wouldnt they help him. informed gamers may know the lazy fat @ss has a bad attitude and thats why the game doesnt work right. but the average consumer thinks its something wrong with the ps3. So they would help him despite his mouth for the sake of the reputation of their console.

[socsca]

See, this is why why you need to get over your fanboyish stupidness and have both consoles. Couldn't care less about this since I've got both and already own OG on 360.

Also, a lot of really dumb people (read fanboys) seem to be thinking Valve and EA have done a poor job on purpose, are you that stupid? You do know they're in it for the money, right? And don't give me any fkn M$ paid em' off sh!t, that's rock bottom intellectually speaking...

[snoopgg]

Too many other developers are proving that very good looking games with good framerates can be made if developed properely. It is Ea fault for all these lazy ports, who else is there to blame? I'm sick of hearing it is the ps3 fault, when it is Ea's fault. These sloppy, halfarsed ports are products of Ea getting to big for their pants. They have become a very lazy monopoly and think they can release any bullshat for the ps3 and we will buy it. Well, by the look of it, lots of people hate Ea for this new attitude of programmming for the ps3 in this generation of gaming. Ea sucks///

[Mercutio]

Still prefer the PS3 though, why? because my 360 RROD on me last week! I knew it, i even bought Orange Box on 360.

[sajj316]

Even if this was a top notch port, would you buy the game? Seriously, you guys have done a fantastic job of supporting your console. Look at the sales of exclusives. I need you guys to stop biiiatching about ports and buy the game that deserve your hard earned money.

I am selling my 360 so I could buy more PS3 games. What have you done lately? Show your support and buy Rachet or Heavenly Sword!!

[sajj316]

Even if this was a top notch port, would you buy the game? Seriously, you guys have done a fantastic job of supporting your console. Look at the sales of exclusives. I need you guys to stop biiiatching about ports and buy the game that deserve your hard earned money.

I am selling my 360 so I could buy more PS3 games. What have you done lately? Show your support and buy Rachet or Heavenly Sword!!

[Saint Sony]

So typical...every game announcement for PS3 is an event.
First people wait the game like any other game (yep loads of waiting for PS3). People are happy and yelling how cool it will be in PS3.

When the time comes to delay it, things start to happen... "it's ok, at least it will be nicely tweaked and made better than crap 360 version"

Then time passes some more and there's all kind of dev problems with the title and even possible that the title won't ever see daylight for PS3... "lol, who needs this crap, I was not even waiting this sh!t!..buy this and that instead!"

I can't but laugh. PS3 ftw! (For the whiners!)

[ErcsYou]

Suddenly??.... we made our opinions long ago... this title became "crap" the second we heard that the PS3 version was being handled by EA.. besides, most gamers would rather play UT3

[feejo]

Oh they are not ready yet. I will delay too... to buy that PS3.

[jwatt]

Why out of all people they give it to ea, they probably had like 5 people working on the game. I played the game on my 360, I didn't like team fortress, I wasn't motivated for Half life. The Portal was the only game I finished and I loved it. Don't boycott the Orange box just rent it. The games you should be worrying about is COD4, Uncharted and UT3 a little later.

I see now that some companies don't respect console with a small install bass because I know if the ps3 had 11 million consoles sold. EA would put more resources and money on the ps3 version and I bet you it would run fine. I hope for EA's sake, when the ps3's install bass grows, they're not lagging behind or they will be missing out on alot of money.

[SDS Overfiend]

When Sony had their Foot on other Games console necks (Dreamcast,Saturn) We did'nt Whine we took what we can get which was the exclusives sega and them was offering and made do with it. Now that Its the PS3 on life support somethings wrong in the game industry now Ehhh? Developers is not gonna waste money on a Port that not gonna garner any revenue period. Fuk sony its their turn to burn since the chickens have come home. Now i get to watch sony Fall and plunder do to being to slick for the cause.

Its called Karma Folks and its Sony Turn to get thier Comeupence.
Since i paid 200 for a beautiful system in the name of Dreamcast just to watch sony destroy it with bullsh1t bussiness tatics, I get to see Microsoft handout a Vicious @ss-whipping 360 style with no-framerate drops running at a smooth 60Fps.

[jwatt]

You think this is going to stop the ps3 from selling well you got to be crazy, I have both a 360 and ps3 and I enjoy both of them.

[Mikey_Gee]

Give it a rest.

It's folks like you that give normal 360 owners a bad name.

[tomfoolery]

Amen to that!

[mighty_douche]

"Now i get to watch sony Fall and plunder do to being to slick for the cause."

half lifes gonna do that ^^?? i think your giving to much credit to a 2 year old pc game. lets be honest, how many 360 owners do you think are playing the Orange Box now that Call of Duty is out? my guess... 2

[MANTIIS]

stood in a long line for one 12am on 9/9/99. But, it was not Sony that destroyed DC. It was Sega who destroyed themselves. The advertising and sales dollars for the machine went so underspent, that by the time Stolar left and Peter Moore took over...he had inherited a failure. Sony did what any company would have done, they competed...and won. If Sega wasn't strong (or smart) enough to stay in the race-THEN DEATH TO THE WEAK! Sega made us suffer the loss of one of the best consoles ever made-the Dreamcast-just like they burned us with Sega CD and Saturn. If you want to stick it to Sony, and support the 360-AKA EA's whore-out of disdain for what "Sony did to DC, " then keep in mind you are inadvertantly (or intentionally<I don't know you>) supporting EA. ANd keep in mind that besides Sega, EA also deliberately contributed to the death of the DC by pulling all support from it. That is how the snobs at EA roll. Things is, if they think they can do to PS3 what they did to DC, LMAO, they had better think twice.

[Mikey_Gee]

Blame EA by all means, but do not blow off OB or Valve .. the 5 Games in the OB deal are truly fantastic games.

I hope in the end it works out and you get to experience it in a good way.

[Meus Renaissance]

Newells comments about the platform made my decision for me. I'll invest my money towards games from developers that one can actually respect.

[Bathyj]

Its a damn shame. OB is a great collection of games. To bad EA had to leave their stink all over. I seriously thinking of NOT buying Army of Two Now. EA suck ball, most vigerously.

The sad thing is Portal is awesome but criminally short. On PS3 they could have given mod support just like UT3 and breathed life into this great concept. Who know's, maybe someone will make a Portal ripoff with the UT3 mods. Hear that fellas, get busy.

[karlostomy]

Lo-and-behold. The ps3 is getting standard EA treatment with inferior results.
Is the fancrowd blaming developers again?
yessiree!

For Pete's sake, WHy is is sooo hard to write games for ps3 equal to the 360?

On the ps3 multis, developers have to put in:
- their best coders
- extra time
- extra effort
- extra money

to get a game which is 'just' as good as the 360...
I ask you, why?! Not good enough.

Maybe another $200 off the price will convince me to buy this 'inferior-superior' hardware

[DrWan]

WHy the hell would you hand your development to EA ?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Double blow indeed.

[Danielson]

good thing i just got this for pc instead of waiting for a half-assed version on the PS3

[snakeater3]

LOL i didnt buy a ps3 to play half life 2 or a shoddy port on it (i savoured that game way back in early 07 on my pc) , but to play some great exclusives from sony or from clever devs like konami. gabe newell......sod off....the console community doesnt want you....go back producing games on pc and stfu.

[mighty_douche]

f*cking EA.... im happy ive got a good PC and played the orange box months ago, that said, if i was purely a ps3 owner id be pretty pi55ed off about this.

once again... F*CKING EA!!

[MANTIIS]

I mean really...who frikkin' cares about Orange Box? With all due respect to the venerable franchise (and with none at all to the fat pig Newell), PS3 Players have many choices of FPS games to choose...and guess what..they are all better than the aging Counterstrike game in the orange box. If UT3, Haze, COD4, and Killzone were laid out on a table next to Orange Box....which one would you pick? 98% of PS3 gamers would pick something other than Orange Box (even if it ran at 60fps). Fact is, the first FPS that will truly exhibit greatness on the PS3 is the one that was built from the ground up for it, the one that Sony is able to share ALL of the PS3's secrets and resources with...Killzone 2.

Killzone 2 kills Orange Box.

Additionally, I'd like to copy/paste the following post I made a couple days ago in response to people, particularly one "Bloodmask, " who was yakking about 360's graphics being better than PS3's. There are some pertinent bits within to be considered for this current article.

Read on....

The 360's Xenos GPU is the video card equivalent of an ATI X1800XT 256MB, albeit, slightly overclocked. The RSX, on the other hand, is closest to an Nvidia 7800GTX 256MB (with undoubtedly extra properties, since nobody knows exactly what it can really do yet). There are only four video cards between the two in terms of benchmarked capability-the X1900GT, X1950GT,8600GT, and X1900GT Rev2. The difference between these cards should make this argument a moot point, as it certainly doesn't make 360 more powerful or have nicer graphics. On paper, the PS3 is the more powerful machine (theorectically by about 50MHZ, but this is not why). One could argue that the difference in graphics comes from the 360's 3 primary cores are doing a better job at handling instruction than the 8 SPE cores for the PS3 (of which six are dedicated to games). Remember, the GPU can only display the complexity of what it is told by the CPU. If you have an underwhelming CPU, but your GPU can map the the entire landscape of the Grand Canyon in vivid detail-consider it potential wasted. Developers have figured out how to use hardly four (I'm being generous) of the PS3's SPEs. As developers learn how to unlock PS3's true potential (it will be a 1st party gamemaker, first)- then we will see a stunning difference in the superiority of PS3 over 360 graphics. Just wait for FFXIII and GT 5. In that inevitable future, when games made for PS3 are technically impossible to make on the 360, everything you(Bloodmask) are saying will be in the past.You said, "Anyone into PC gaming will tell you the same thing if you compare the Xenos and the RSX to their PC counterparts, Xenos is significantly more powerful." Well, I'm into PC gaming, and you are wrong, it is not. The one's to blame for this misconception are lazy and inadequate developers. These dummies will not learn how to maximize the hardware until a more experienced developer(Square/Enix, Konami,Insomniac, hell-even Midway(TNA)has more skill than EA) handfeeds them the code.

[cmrbe]

Actually no. You have Gabe that hates the PS3 for whatever reason that toss it to EA that don't know how to code for PS3 and then what you get?.Sorry Gabe we have Resistance, Haze,UT3 and Killzone.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

EA Top Games
American McGee's Alice
Score: 9.8 / 10

Black & White
Score: 9.0 / 10

Command & Conquer:
Red Alert 2
Score: 10 / 10

Red Alert 2: Yuri's Revenge (Expansion Pack)
Score: 9.0 / 10

SimCity 4
Score: 9.2 / 10

Sims: Hot Date
Score: 9.2 / 10

The Sims
Score: 9.7 / 10

The Sims 2
Score: 9.5 / 10

The Sims 2: University
Score: 9.0 / 10

Battlefield 2: Modern Combat
Score: 9.0 / 10

Burnout 3: Takedown
Score: 9.2 / 10

Madden NFL 07
Score: 9.0 / 10

Madden NFL 06
Score: 9.1 / 10

Need for Speed: Most Wanted
Score: 9.1 / 10

Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath
Score: 9.5 / 10

Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
Score: 9.0 / 10

Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars
Score: 9.0 / 10

Madden NFL 08
Score: 9.0 / 10

The Orange Box
Score: 10 / 10

Battlefield 2: Deluxe Edition 10.0

Wow EA can't seem to make a good game to save their life.

http://www.armchairempire.c...
http://www.gamerankings.com...

So EA, UBI, Capcom, id and Valve they just can't make any good games can they?

[cmrbe]

Are refering to PS3 games which haven't been great lately. Madden????. Even with all the support they got from PS owners over the years and with alot of money the still wouldn't make sure they code well for the PS3

[MANTIIS]

EA only "makes" some of the games you mentioned. It publishes the others. Also..EA DOES suck. They suck because have forgotten what it means to give quality to those who BUY their products (a number of titles), and remain soley focused on profit. They hog up licenses and ruin superior franchises, kill consoles that they feel are not profitable enough for them (DC <a miracle they stayed with GC>), release underdeveloped games, and hire largely inept developers whose familiarity is more with PC architecture, instead of proprietary architecture -which is largely the domain of the console. "F" EA.

[SDS Overfiend]

When PS2 Came out it was EA who decided to just focus on making games For Sony. Saturn got a few Sports titles then EA closed out on them because the PS1 was easier to develop for. Dreamcast came and Ea Still did'n want to invest money into any other system but Sony. Now that PS3 is too hard to develop for and the Rewards are not surplused, what corners did you think they were gonna cut?

[hazardman]

The reason for EA's dissmal support for games on the PS3 is because Peter Moore is making sure X360 gets the best devs in house. Everytime I come on this site the only people crying are wannabe gamers..if you were true gamers you would get all 3 consoles and PC.that way you enjoy what all have to offer. Stop crying....take your babba and go to sleep.

[Pika-pie]

Im not buying this 2nd rate s**t. I loved HL2 and its sad to see Valve treating PS3 owners like garbage. Well, they can suck my hairy....

[Close_Second]

...owe them something. Hell, this is business and if they don't wish to provide the level of support to the PS3 then thats their call - they just have to wear fewer sales. However, what has Sony done to try and rectify this??????

I'm betting Sony is unhappy about this especially since EA has been so important to Sony in the past. Has Sony made any official statements saying its working with EA to help them out with programming on the Cell?

[KDash]

its "Fifa 94" on my "Sega Genesis." Nothing more to say...

[THAMMER1]

The 1st conspiracy was the PS3 to begin with. 4D, stupid claims like the 360 was the XBOX1.5, all the games will run a 120fps, the CELL (witch is now discontinued), tilt controls, RSX GPU, and on and on. The orange box is not the 1st game with issues. EA has done a pretty bad job, but look at how many games that were developed by other corporations that still turned out to be crap or sup 30fps.

I need games like OB to run as close as possible to PC perfect if I had PS3 I would not even bother buying anything but Blu Ray movies right now. The delays are a big red flag that screams Development issues.

I remember articles saying it takes devs. 2X the amount of man hours and cash to make a PS3 games in the 1st place, so they probably just say screw optimizing get it at 30fps and get it the F___k out of here.

I would boycott the hardware. Well… I already have.

[S1nnerman]

We all have a choice on how to spend our hard earned money. It saddens me to think that PS3 owners may not get the same level of care as other platform owners. For such a big franchise, it makes no sense to alienate a significant section of the gaming community. Or maybe Gabe feels he's rich enough as it is. Still, I'd hoped he would have some level of pride in his work.

But we, the people of the gaming community, standing united will only pay for games we think are worth the money. I love HL2 but I won't buy OB if I think it's not worth the money. That's not my loss. That's Gabe's.

[Matpan]

All companies need to do is get their game running as best as possible on EVERY console possible in order to make more money. What is the point in making a crappy port after another? Loose credibility... I am simply surprised on how silly companies can get sometimes...

Which gets me to thinking... either they are really stupid, or porting to the PS3 is really THAT big a deal...

Anyways, it´s such a big market I just don´t get it that developers decide to screw with it.

Kudos for 1st party devs and for companies that make good ports for every system.

360 owner here, but I just don´t tolerate this kind of crap, no matter which console it affects...

[borntodie007]

man that suxs i was so waiting for this game. i was gonna buy on the first day. i've never played HL game my comp is not good enough to play HL2. omg fux. well imma still buy it when it comes out and if its crap i will just return it. and fuk ea the only good game they made was BF2 MC

[THE_JUDGE]

Please stop making games, your embarrassing yourselves.

[caffman]

I would be really upset. But I don't so I'm not.

[The Dude]

Simple if you like EA games buy a 360.

[Mars Attacker]

PS3 has a terrible development system. That is why they are only getting 30% of the power right now. To top that off Sony gave the developers another swift kick in the nuts by using such a tiny amount of RAM split into two separate parts. The software development system can be improved as time passes. The memory mistake can never be fixed. For this reason the PS3 is not "future proof" - or even "present proof".

The PS3 is kind of like a Yugo with a 500 horsepower engine and 13" tires. Even if you could get all the power to the ground, the drive shaft would break.

What does this really mean? It means that the PS3 has potential, but developers have to spend much more time and money to build games for the PS3. For this reason, cross platform games will generally be better on the 360. It also means there will be less big time exclusives for the PS3. On the other hand, the (mostly first party) games that have been built from the ground up like KZ2 and GT5 will be TOTALLY awesome. Really expensive, but awesome.

Companies like EA develop for many platforms to maximize profit. It's not their fault that Sony left the software developers out in the cold. On paper the PS3 looks like the greatest thing since sliced bread - until you realize that it only has 256MB of graphics RAM!

The 360 and PS3 are no longer simple dedicated machines that you snap a cartridge into. They're basically PCs now and the system software is getting to be almost as complex as a modern operating system. This is much more familiar territory for MS than Sony. Sony is in over their heads now.

[digger18]

Same as the PS2 had a terrible development system, but the devs got around it.

Great games will cost a lot to make at first, but as time goes on and the tools get better, it will be a fraction of the cost.

Yes the PS3 has only got 256mb of graphics ram and 256mb of data ram. While the 360 shares 512mb between graphics/data, its not ideal. On the 360, if the games graphics require a larger share of that 512mb, it does not leave much ram left for data, which is needed for things such as AI.

The PS3 may have 256mb of ram for its GPU, but the devs are moving more of the graphics to the SPU's now, which in tern uses the much faster main memory, but then may run into the same problems as the 360 and leave less for data.

[BruceLeroy]

"Companies like EA develop for many platforms to maximize profit."

So Mars, by this statement why would EA even bother to make it? If they put out a crappy port and nobody buys it, how will they make any profit from it. Gamers aren't stupid little kids anymore. Adults play games just as much as kids and they will not accept shoddy ports. Now if EA created a great port of Half-Life that ran well, gamers will buy it, thus generating profit for the company.

[PS3Freak]

I will drink 10 COUNT EM 10 beers if EA manages to pull this game off. It will be their first GOOD ps3 game.... EA SUCKS!

[Altair-HD]

f*c& you EA.............F*C& YOU !!!!!!!!!!!

UT3 all the wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, Santa is coming to town ! NICEEEEEE

[Myth]

Don't do it at all. Go buy the PC version it's cheap, everyones PC should be able to play this game anyways. It's old, but good.

[Myth]

According to the people who reviewed mass effect, framerate issues shouldn't effect the score of the game. And according to Xbox 360 users mass effect still rules even with the glitches and framerate drops. So this game should still be rated a 10 right?

[Z501]

half-assed crappy port(s) = unreliability = poor/no sales

It's funny how all the bots in disguise say "boycotting is only going to hurt ps3 owners"

Yeah,like horrible games are going to help us.

(Any suggestions,bots?)

As a PS3 owner,boycotting is the only solution,nothing else.

[Snukadaman]

EA had no say in the final manufacturing of the ps3...you look at it now you would think someone would come up with the idea too add more ram..which by all accounts is whats ruining many games.

ea only publishes the games...when it comes too franchises like madden or fifa then they are too blame internally...but something like this it is valve too blame since they handed the project off to another developer.

you children need too learn who too blame because it sure did get quite ugly on these boards...im surprised no one blamed gabe newells mother. It is indeed a very slippery slope for ps3 owners...either buy the game and support the system or dont buy it. many wont buy the game so it will still have those horrible attach rates for the ps3.

[snoopafly]

so you believe ps3 owners should blame sony for a crappy orange box? great logic sherlock. also by your astounding deductive reasoning..you say ps3 owners should pretty much buy the game anyways..just to support the system. you talk as if the ps3 is on life support. if a game is bad...no one is going to buy it. this goes for all gamers. every owner of a gaming console..whether ps3, 360 or wii..has the right to expect quality games made for their system. when this does not happen..they have every right to complain to whomever they want..that this did not occur.

[BruceLeroy]

Snuka, that is the dumbest reasoning I have ever heard. You really just proved how stupid you really are. Explain to me how Insomniac, Naughty Dog, and even Infinity Ward can create beautiful games on the PS3 and yet EA can't. Being that they're one of the biggest companies with the resources to back it and yet they can't make a game without framerate issues while other smaller companies have no problems is not the fault of the system but the developers. Please grow a brain then come back and argue your stupid points again. Until then, you're just another troll without a clue.

[THE TERMINATOR]

I would never by Mass Effect because of all its problems. Framerate, texture pop in, slowdown and bad loading times is not what I call next Gen. We shouldnt have to put up with these issues, now Uncharted thats a different story.

[crippler666]

IMO both companies are to blame. Neither have really wanted to handle the PS3 version. I know I for one will hire this title first. I know the PS3 is harder to develop for. But Resistance, Uncharted and Warhawk have all proved what a game can look like with a little effort and all 3 play on the PS3 with ease.

[tk]

Until EA gets to grips with the PS3 I will avoid EA titles. Insomniac and Naughty Dog is bringing out great titles. All around there are great titles coming out for the PS3 now - so it is up to EA to raise their game.

[n4gTurnsU_WickedGay]

to me it sounds like values programmers couldn't handle the ps3 so they "passed the buck" to EA.

seriously, if you are going to give a ps3 port to a developer, why EA? with a current record of 0-4(4 is a guess btw)for ps3 ports why hand it off to EA? why not get someone...whats the word...oh, yeah, competent.

i couldn't care less about half-life or team fortress but i really want to play portal. as long as they don't screw up portal i'll be fine w/ it.

[Gamer13]

360 is still winning the multiplatform war with the games being better on the 360.

1 day they will get the heng of the ps3 hardware and produce amazing games and graphics.

[brothersimon]

ps3 will always lose it by looks of things..

i mean if all of the exclusives of ps3 went to 360, they'd be BETTER on 360 than ps3.. FACT.

[genericname]

"i mean if all of the exclusives of ps3 went to 360, they'd be BETTER on 360 than ps3.. FACT."

dream on x-kiddies

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[Wii60_FTW]

lol ps3 sucks. and HL2 is one of the most amazing games ever made. bow to it or forever be a ps3 n00b.

[Grinchy]

ps3 is awsome - hl2 is awsome but I played it on my pc AGES ago. Not fussed

[Gish]

I have been staying out of the whole "mines better than yours" debate with the consoles. All I know is:

1. The Wii is not good for us "hardcore" gamers. Being in business myself, I know that corporations see money flowing into Nintendos pockets and the casual gaming could be detremental to the in depth gaming experience.

2. I have a PS3 and respect the xbox 360 for everything it can do. I enjoy the media center, folding @ home, free PSN of the PS3, but I would love to get an 360 when I can since it does have some great looking games, just as the PS3 does.

3. It is a bad business decision by valve. I own a PC so I already have Orange box on that and its great. I don't see why you would want to alienate a good size percentage of your core audience by passing it off to an inferior team to code for. It would be like DiVinci passing off his masterpieces to be re painted to a college student. Does not make sense.

[genericname]

So when they say frame rate issues, are we talking Gears of War type frame rate problems or Mass Effect type frame rate problems? I hope they don't mean Mass Effect type issues cause that would be really bad.

[brothersimon]

ps3 = fail

YET AGAIN.

[BattleAxe]

After Gabe Newell had told everyone that the PS3 was a waste of everyones time, I decided to never buy a valve game. The fact that Valve wasn't willing to port the game themselves shows that they not only lack the technical expertise, but it also shows that they are a lazy developer which in my mind shows a total and complete lack of professionalism.

[pshizle]

why release it right on the ps3???

[DJ]

You're an idiot.

[DJ]

I guess I'm getting Unreal Tournament 3 then.

[Primetimebt]

The Orange Box wasn't really on every PS3 gamers wish list this holiday so doesn't really matter. The last EA game I brought was Madden and I had for about a month before I sold it on e-bay. EA is a lost cause anymore and it's not hard to figure out why Activison is now #1. EA had a chance to fix the company but instead they went with a 2nd rate management leader in Peter Moore. Moore may be a nice guy but he's not a winner every company he ever work for was always 2nd place: Reebok (#2), Sega (#2), XBOX (#2), now EA (#2). EA fire the management and get someone in there who is a knows how to win and maybe you get some better game sales.

[TechWiz]

I was looking forward to this game(s), until I read this review. It figures EA is working on the game and having problems with it working on the ps3.

[CaliGamer]

EA strikes again, as soon as I heard they were spearheading the PS3 version I chalked this one up as a loss. I will keep my money for more important things.
EA, I would have expected nothing less from this inferior developer. How can you release something like this when there are so many multi plat games out now that look good on both systems? Valve and EA need to get it together.

[Dorian_D]

Gabe Newell is fat because he's lazy. Saying that the ps3 is too hard to code and program, that's just a silly excuse. That's why you are paid to do work to make games right? (key word: work!) Naughty Dog, Infinity ward, Bethesda, and Insomniac are just examples of great games and finding out how to use the ps3.

[joevfx]

the bottome line is all Valve cares about is money. they can give a crap about you and me. they are takign the quick easy aproach to port half life to teh consoles so they dotn have to spend money on PS3 engineers.

[TwissT]

EA is so concerned about money that they make a superior version for one console yet, if they made both versions equal in quality they would make more money

[etownone]

hahaha.... its liek a pattern...now all the sudden no ps3 has ever wanted this game...i mean its only one the highest rated game of all time. you guys are actually going to compare ut3 to hl?

for the people that have played this on your pc i understand, but the rest of you. what freakin weak excuses!! its a 3 year old port...and it still ends up being crap on ps3. If I was one of the guys that paid 600+ for my ps3....i would be really pissed right about now.