CVG: The greatest measure of Call of Duty's success is how many people want to see it fail.
"Is Modern Warfare 3 being unfairly attacked?" nope
People are starting to have some common sense...and now it's classed as attacking <sigh> Worst part is you get called a Battlefield 3 fanboy who is a graphics lover...I don't really play on FPS much but B3 will be better quality and probably worth your money.
Don't go chasing waterfalls.
Did you just quote a TLC song Are you trying to do what they did on The Other Guys :)
i dont want it fail.. i want it to IMPROVE so i can have another decent game to play... this is coming from a guy who rented MW2 and BO and didnt bother much with this franchise EDIT: @Stan yeah im sure it has nothing to do with how broken their games are on every platform and the extreme milking and how it all feels like rehashed stuff... we've come to a point where you cant dislike something popular without getting the "oh so you feel cool" shit.. plz.
The only place I see this negativity towards Call of Duty is on gaming sites and that's a small minority of the overall gaming community. Look at the numbers that continue to play and enjoy Call of Duty, continue to purchase DLC and enjoy new content. Call of Duty is a social and cultural phenomenon and that's why it gets the hate it does. Success breeds envy.
@StanLee "Success breeds envy" BULL...CRAP Here we go with "It's hated because it's popular" BS, it's hated because it's crap and the developers have no passion for the franchise only peoples money...they do miminal work on the game each year, look at Asassins Creed Brotherhood, Revelations...they were made in a year and they both look fantastic. Battlefield 3 graphics show us that DICE have cared about this game since it first started development, that they are trying their best, that their pushing the hardware and will do anything to push the competition. IW just don't give a crap and that's why it's still running on old hardware....to them all you guys are, are giant SUCKERS. I hate that whole "Success breeds envy" BS....people hate on things because they deserve to be hated on...even popular things. Lady GaGa because she's manufactured yet gays/lesbians think she is god when she's not...she's just using that audience to keep her self relevent, like she really gives a crap about them she just cares for their money and if they will buy her album. For Justin Beiber...well it's because he's a prick who is only "popualr" because he's captured the hearts of 13=5 year old girls that probably don't even give a shit about his music, tell the truth I bet not every girl would look at him in that way if he wasn't popualr, plus he used to sing on Youtube...AND lots of people do and most are better then Bieber yet there not superstars. See there is a reason behind everything....not just random hate. COD fanboys always bring up the same crappy argument
@ MrSpace To say Call of Duty is crap is pure BS. Call of Duty is the only online multiplayer experience that truly gives each player the tools to play the way he or she wants to. There is no other online multiplayer experience that can lay claim to being as accessible. Each iteration brings new challenges of balance but it also brings new gamers to a community that's growing. Keep screaming graphics this or graphics that like that makes a game better or worse. Again, that's BS. The core gameplay of Call of Duty hasn't changed since Call of Duty 4 and you know what, that's reason for the franchise's continued success. There are more people online playing Black Ops right now than there are registered users on this site and that's only on the XBox 360. There are more people online right now playing COD4 than are playing BFBC2. That says more than your trivial complaints about graphics.
Why do people act like they must buy either bf3 or mw3 this fall as if everyone needs some sort of fps? Why not put that money toward something good like Uncharted 3?
There's no way to satisfy the blood lust : Using the SAME game engine for a decade - good business sense or just milking the same old cow. Using a NEW game engine - risk taker or a graphic whore. As much as I like the Battlefield series and I already pre-ordered BF3, EA/DICE did leave one bad impression on me: Battlefield 1943 for the PC.
Anyone is entitled to attack MW3 all they want...whether it will actually accomplish anything is a completely different story.
"The greatest measure of Call of Duty's success is how many people want to see it fail." WRONG! I think more people want to see they improve it to a new level! they can start with the graphic for example. WTH is with the copy and paste codes since CoD4 from 2007? CoD is among the highest if not the highest grossing franchise this gen or maybe ever, but they can't even update their game engine? that's BS at the highest level! they could do it but they just don't want to but instead, introducing the Elite! another BS attempt to dig deeper into the fans' pockets!
"WTH is with the copy and paste codes since CoD4 from 2007?" Simple answer to a simple question. Because they don't have to. Why work hard and build a new engine when you know that the masses will eat your game up based on the name alone? Its more the gamers fault than the devs fault because WE give THEM the power. If WE spend $60 on the SAME thing each year...what is the logical thing to do? Continue giving us the same thing each year and slowly raise the price each year.
Why change a formula that works? That the community, the people who play the game and not bitch and moan on websites, continue to support and demand more of? The formula works, plain and simple. Give the community more maps, more guns, more perks, more killstreaks, more combinations that make the core gameplay continually engaging. That's what they want; A place to express individuality in playing the way you want to, with people who share that same passion. That's why it works. Call of Duty IS a sandbox.
I don't think it's unfair. It's true every year Activision releases a copy and paste job with the COD name slapped on the side. If they were somehow making the game better it might be a different call. But as it stands they deserve the critism.This is just my opinion of course but it's the truth.
A lot of people think that COD games DO get better every year...thats why they sell buttloads each year. This isn't my opinion, numbers don't lie. Do I personally think that COD games are worth buying each year? HELL NO lol.
WHO thinks to games get better every year? I've never heard anyone I could take seriously say that. Most of what you hear- on this site or anywhere- is about how the core is the same: how you can still hop on and play, how all your friends are still there. If by "new" you mean different killstreaks, maps, and some weapons, then I encourage you to find a new hobby. When it comes to an FPS, those things should be expected. But those are the ONLY things that change in Call of Duty. The franchise has stagnated. Stagnation has never equaled improvement, so no one with common sense can argue that it is "better" this year than last year. The numbers mean whatever you want them to mean. That's the problem with numbers. They just sit there, and then you get to tell someone what they're supposed to mean. To me, the numbers mean most people aren't even paying attention to how repetitive Call of Duty has become, which is par for the course when it comes to the "sheep" mentality that plagues the mainstream, or pop culture. Think for yourself. You even claim that you don't think they're worth buying each year, yet you try to defend people that DO think so. Since you're so keen on logic, I'm certain you have VERY good reasons for why you think the way you do. And if they're logic-based, that can only mean that those whose opinions differ from your own are NOT using logic. Problem: too many examples of you NOT using logic, for one. For another, the "numbers" could very well mean something else, as I stated before. C'mon, man. You gotta act like you deserve those bubbles.
Criticism is great for any developer. My biggest gripe however is the immature attitude by some towards people who play Call of Duty. Some like you are not a real gamer if you play Call of duty is not only dumb but very childish. Also the non constructive criticise. Just saying is sucks and how X is better is not helpful. I think what COD needs to do is re-event them selves with a new engine which I doubt will come this generation but next. The MW engine is fine for 60fps a lot going on type of gameplay. They just need to improve the graphical level because the gameplay has its own crowd who enjoy it.
I hear about needed changes, but I don't see any.
I used to bash CoD, but lately other MP games I've played are but boring to me. MW is my favorite MP series. I know retail BF3 will be great, but that beta really turned me off from the game. The console version of BF3 was awful (IMO) PC was way better. I just think Dice chose the wrong map to represent Battlefield. Anyways my whole point is nothing will be accomplished by bashing/attacking any game. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
Activision needs to do something because after playing the BF3 beta (on PC) i could not play MW2 anymore! It seemed so toned down compared to BF3 that it felt like laser tag and all the guns went pew, pew, pew....
I honestly don't get why people praise BF so much. It has way more campers than people doing objectives. so what if it has better graphics? mw3 appeals to the bigger crowd cuz its fun.
Exactly. Modern Warfare 3 is VIDEO GAME. It's supposed to focus on fun gameplay...........Battlefield 3 doesn't have that. At least not on the same level.
That is actually the problem with the open map. Battlefield games in general have had a problem with camping especially snipers. I guess they have tried to rectify it with two shot kill on snipers but still. If you have an open map you get a lot of snipers. When you have a smaller tight map the campers are different. I found the campers in MW2 to be not that much. There are areas but then these areas are easily out flanked. I think it is easier to stop camping on smaller maps than larger open spaced ones because snipers can stand quite far back. Its just a by product of their MP. They can't help it too much because battlefield in notorious for vehicles. I like both because they offer something different from each other. If I want quick fun infantry combat it is COD. If I want a more open spaced shooter with vehicles I play BF
You know...for the past two years I've harked on COD games...but I buy it every year. Idk...I try to not like them because they aren't that innovative but the problem is that they're fun. I'm not gonna lie, I'll be buying it but honestly, there are much worse games you could be buying for $60 and anyone who says anything else is in denial. You do get a lot for your money.
Only IW COD games are good.
i agree, the other CoD games are basically using the name when they could be different games. Activision sees only money in the name of COD. So they will burn it until it is no more. You can't deny this when you look at what they did to the guitar hero series. It's basically the same with CoD however it will take more time for the series to burn out. Still i don't mind the COD games IW makes because i played all their COD Games before, they created COD! So why fall into the hands of some developers wanting a piece of the pie by making cheap COD copy the year after? YAY ZOMBIES >_> Not a fun mode at all, and the gameplay is choppy and lags, graphics are dimwitted to the original COD (MW), MP graphically looks like a completely different game than the very SP on the same disc... I only play CoD for it's story after seeing what happened to MP in MW2. Unless they improve/innovate on the gameplay rather than just adding on weapons and perks they (IW, the other developers working on CoD don't stand a chance) won't ever pass their best game they ever made (CoD4/MW). Just my opinion.
Haters are the most vocal.(The real gamers are actually out there on their consoles or PC playing COD as we speak) The fact is that 25million+ people will enjoy Modern Warfare in the coming months.(Those couple dozen haters will still be on this site trolling every COD article while millions are playing MW3) These couple dozen people(Battlefield fanboys) with multiple troll accounts will have no impact on anything.
Of course CoD is unfairly attacked, but it's only by a small majority who like to go online and pretend they know 5 cents worth of game development. They pretend that their opinion equals the millions online right now having a blast with the game. They all come on here and spit venom like... "where's the innovation" "same grafx!" "sheep!" "milk" but its still #1 on ps3/360 so its doing something right. And the whole "innovation" use, what innovation could CoD possibly do that hasnt been done already in all other fps's? Seriously, explain this "innovation" that the small minority is craving for the franchise. And please look up the word "innovated/ion" before and if you answer this.
Sometimes, all it really takes to innovate is to do something old in a new way. For example, R3 has a weapon wheel that... well, what other FPS allows you more than two guns? It's not an innovation in and of itself, but it's better than the same old two-gun setup of every other game out there. There's no excuse for the game looking virtually the same as a 5 year-old predecessor. NONE. Sheep is also valid. Sheep buy things regardless. Sheep associate things by what others have told them. Sheep follow the crowd. I can guarantee you that if a game with the exact same formula as COD appeared, and it was hailed by everyone as the "next big thing," all the sheep would migrate. Only those who enjoy COD for being COD would stay; the others would follow the trends because they were told to. And arguing against the milking is just ignorant. Black Ops is, as of yesterday, STILL full price for a new copy. STILL! If you buy all the DLC (and if you don't, you'll be missing out on 75% of the online component) you've paid for another game entirely. You pretend that the millions playing the game right now know any more about development than the people here. You pretend that those people give a damn at all about anything other than whether or not they can enjoy the game. You, apparently, pretend that you know what you're talking about.
There's a lot of fps's that allow more than two guns, that's innovative? more than two guns? Didn't Doom have more than two guns you could use in a playthru? Didn't Fallout 3 have a weapon wheel, Mass Effect 2 had a weapon wheel also, nope not innovative, next... there is an excuse, from a business standpoint why should the dev breakdown an entire game just to add a few extra polys? I didn't know grafx made a game fun, i thought it was design, gameplay...oh wait it is. The game looks good and i dont have any complaints about it. Lol, sheep...maybe those "sheep" actually enjoy the game and get it because they love it. Maybe the "sheep" are the ones on here spouting nonsense about milking and 5 year old grafx. Maybe the "sheep" are the ones praising BF3 as the second coming just because of a little eye candy shown of a tank level. The ones playing right now dont know anything about development, they're too busy having fun enjoying the game. i'm pretty sure that was what i was getting at. No the ones who think they know come on here with the insane raps of out dated grafx, milking, something about 75% missing game and sheep talk....sounds familiar? *wink*
That "doing something right" part...does it refer to the fact that children, the larger part of the human population, are into CoD? Of course this means parents, whom the majority only care to see the smile of their child/children, buy this game despite knowing the rating of Mature (stories of people who work at gaming stores). When you grab the attention of children as consumers, you get the most profit.
I'm seeing this debate and it's a stupid debate. Why are video games any different than any other successful creative medium? I don't see people rioting about how cars are still running on four wheels, windows and using steering wheels? How about something a little closer? Why does hockey still use sticks? Yet as gamers we feel that games must constantly be reinvented & enhanced beyond reason for every iteration of a series. It's one thing to ask for value for your purchase.....it's something else to expect a new engine solely because you and a minority expect it, feel entitled to it! We are a small minority....us forum users. Improve, enhance & give me value for my money....all within reason. With that said...their are certain industry benchmarks. Expectations like mp connectivity, no screen tears or frame rate drops. In my experience....these things were fine in mw2. Mw3 should be the same. Lag? I was fine with my connection....so I can't say. Hacks? I can only prey that this elite service forces activision to really step up security.
I don't think people want to see it fail as such...I think people would like Activision & a-holes like Bobby Kotick get a boot of realism up the arse & the game to get the scores it deserves, as opposed to the past few sequels in the series that felt like full priced add on dlc that had parts stripped out, so it could be sold for a belated price as add on dlc. The sad part is that realism dictates that masses of zombie-afied gamers will clamber aboard these samely sequels on each new update in ever increasing numbers. This series needs to suffer somewhat in sales without totally failing, so as the developers can re-assess, then give us something more in the next iteration.
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