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Uncharted 3 online pass justified by Naughty Dog

The online pass for Uncharted 3 multiplayer is there because “games have to make money” and server costs aren’t cheap: Naughty Dog explain where your funds are going.

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Dark_Overlord2922d ago

“We have to pay for servers and all this different stuff to maintain it, and so at some point, you know, games have to make money.”

So all those thousands of pc games over the years that never charged for online (and still dont) must have been bleeding money :/ I like ND but please don't spout BS, server costs aren't as expensive as they lead you to believe.

KonGreat2922d ago

I can't wait until they say that for a Xbox360 game. They'll probably come up with some other bs, since we are technically already paying for that, although I doubt the money goes to there.

jony_dols2922d ago

Uncharted 2 has sold 4.9 million copies.

While the first 3 Crash games (developed by ND as well) sold close to 15 million units.

And the Jak series has sold nearly 8 million copies.

(None of these sales include 2nd hand sales)

Yeah Naughty Dog are really living on the breadline, and can totally justify an online pass. /sarc

MaxXAttaxX2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

Unless you're planning on buying Uncharted 3 USED, then you don't have to worry about this one-time fee/pass.
Besides, like most people, I'm buying this new. So no worries about paying for anything for me.

At least they're NOT charging subscription payments to play online, cause that'd be ridiculous, right? lol
It's online play is STILL FREE.

jony_dols2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

@NathanExplosion

“We have to pay for servers and all this different stuff to maintain it, and so at some point, you know, games have to make money.”

I'm not bitching, I just pointing out that ND have made a lot of money over the year from the games that they have developed (and deservedly so), while they have a small team of 90 at the studio, which means that they have less overheads than most other AAA studios. They are trying to justify Online Passes as though they aren't scraping even, and the Online pass is the only source of income keeping the studio afloat.

They should just call a spade a spade, and say we would like a slice of that 2nd hand pie, so that we can line our baby-seal fur slippers with gold, and encrust our PS3's in sapphires. But at the end of the day, it is only for online content, and at least they aren't butchering the single player, with online pass DLC.

But Rocksteady, are taking the piss with their online pass for offline content. I have mates who don't have access to reliable broadband services in their area, and can only play games offline. One of them had Batman AC pre-ordered but cancelled it because he was going to miss out on %10 of the games main storyline, so what was the point in buying it new? And I'm sure there is thousands more gamers in his same position.

MaxXAttaxX2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

What else do you want them to say? It's a business.
Naughty Dog didn't decide on this, it was Sony, the publisher.

Online passes are something more publishers are/will be starting to do which applies(in most part) only to used games.
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I do agree that doing it for offline content, like in Batman:AC is completely stupid.

jony_dols2922d ago

@NathanExplosion:

I'm not so much complaining about Naughty Dog, but more so, about their excuses justifying the implementation of Online Passes.

Instead of twisting the truth to us, essentially saying that the game will not be profitable without Online Passes. Why not just say it was a publisher's decision & out of the studio's hands.

I will be buying Uncharted 3 new regardless. But I still don't like these lame excuses.

humbleopinion2922d ago

It's not only people planning on buying Uncharted 3 USED who have problems with the system, it's also people who plan to sell it at some point so that they have the money to buy new games in the future. Used games with online passes just sell for less.

nycredude2922d ago

jony

No you ARE bitching. Naughty Dog has made money no doubt, cause they make quality products. Do you not think that there games are worth the full price?

Dark overlord
Why don't you enlighten us on your wisdom on how much it cost to maintain game servers.

Fact is you are not paying more than the normal price for the game so what is the issue? Besides no one is forcing you to buy any game with online pass. Just stay playing the pc if you have a problem with it.

Dark_Overlord2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

@nycredude

You do realise sony use ps3's as their servers? you know the consoles they manufacture by the thousands everyday, so rather than rent or buy server farms, they created their own for next to nothing

an example is the warhawk servers

http://farm2.static.flickr....

Hell even I could turn my ps3 into a server if Sony still allowed Linux installs

hilyou2922d ago

@jony_dols

why would ur friend cancel his pre order of batman arkham city when he was goign 2 get the game anyway? that's just stupid!

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zeeshan2922d ago

This is a bit off topic but I have to ask since I don't use XBL even though I have an Xbox (yes, shame on me fine, moving on...)

Will 360 owners also pay for Online Passes for titles like BF3? Or is it only limited to SONY because we get free PSN? I mean 360 users pay for XBl right? Does that provide them with some sort of blanket and save them from paying for OPs?

elshadi2922d ago

there is an online pass on xbox for games like
BF3/Batman AC
and other games

WitWolfy2922d ago

Remember most of us pay for XBL just for CGC/Party chat function, seeing that 90% of the games on XBL are just P2P. which I think is just plain selfish.

Being a South African Xbox Live user we dont have SKY news or ESPN to justify for what we are actually paying for, which is a damn shame.

plmkoh2922d ago

The differences is you'd have a hard time finding servers actually run by the game companies, almost all of them are 3rd party hosts.

Consoles on the other hand are all run by those who made it.

Septic2922d ago

Exactly.

If you're going to make us get online passes at least have the decency to have dedicated servers.

HaHa_Ostrich2922d ago

The matter of fact is, online play on PS3 is and will be free. Buy the game new, simple as that.

DigitalAnalog2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

"So all those thousands of pc games over the years that never charged for online (and still dont) must have been bleeding money"

You tend to forget the PC online tend to rely on 3rd party servers, usually private owned if you want to play a game online, whether it's Gamespy, EA, you may have public servers but it's the private ones that keep it going and these serves NEEDS donations to stay afloat, and because the community is so supportive of the servers, they would happily pay-to-play.

Of course you also fail to consider that the library of online gaming gets higher and higher. I mean what about the servers for every online game on EA? Do you think they would happily pay for that bandwidth knowing that there's no traffic? Tell you what, Demon's Souls US servers are shutting down. I know right? What dickheads? How dare Atlus treat us this way for supporting them. I mean, what are they gonna do to keep it afloat? AN ONLINE... PASS? Please God no, NOT THAT?

Sheesh..

hesido2922d ago

Then why not move to a business model where they LET people hire servers, much like on the PC? Of course, this will be along with the official servers, but we can keep our servers afloat all we wanted. But I forgot, UC3 servers are just client indexing servers where game clients meet and are portioned to lobbies (nothing more than a glorified IRC server), the games are actually Peer2Peer. Keeping those online is should have been even simpler.

DigitalAnalog2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

"Then why not move to a business model where they LET people hire servers, much like on the PC?"

Problem is, they would have to directly connect to the XBL/PSN in order to do that. These accounts are tied with credit card/presonal information, whereas gamespy and other 3rd party services only utilizes any standard username account. Remember, you have to sign up "individully' for these services and this would only put XBL/PSN users into even more inconvenient situation. Need I remind you about the MGS4 Konami ID fiasco?

DigitalAnalog2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

double post

xtreampro2922d ago

@Dark_Overlord

That's what I was talking about yesterday, All of Sony's first party devs spin everything in favour of the Sony and the PS3.

Thatguy-3102922d ago

Wherever the money goes it doesn't matter..I mean they HAVE to make a profit out of every game that hit shelfs...its not fair for them if people decide to buy pre-owned games...pre-owned games is like piracy to them in the fact being that they see nothing made from that purchase. Don't really know why ppl whine about having the online pass..

ginsunuva2922d ago

They're not charging for online. You pay nothing extra when you buy the normal way, which is new. Some abberrant people like buying used to save 5 little dollars. You only pay once for buying used if u wanna go online.

GraveLord2922d ago

PC games survive with item malls and microtransactions.
That's how they keep the online free.

Naughty Dog wants Uncharted 3 servers to be smooth and lag-free. That costs money. If you buy the Uncharted 2 used then you're playing on their servers for free, online passes still aren't enough to cover all the costs but they help a bit.

Dark_Overlord2922d ago

Uncharted 3 isn't using dedicated servers, its switching to peer2peer

Grandclover2922d ago

Elite Memberships, VIP passes, Online passes. The average gamer in xbox and ps3 are teens living at home with mom and dad and College kids or the ones of the same age. Yes 30- on up do play but they don't make up the majority of the number of games sold. Point is ive finished college and im still not making that much money and gaming has turned into a vibrent and ingauging industry that if allowed greed will destroy. Maybe not next year, or even 5 years from now. but that idea that i have a right to make as much profit as i can and to hell with the rest of america that is doing crappy like ohh idk the people you want to fork out $60 a game and hey just give us a lil more for this and this and this and this and this. STOP RAPING MY MONEY!!!

hilyou2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

WE DO NOT need PC trolls! just freakin enjoy the game! its not like ur buying the game used! also why dont' u go make ur own game and pay for the servers huh? thought so.
Also how about the AC and ventilation? how about the electric bills? also these PS3s are modified! because a normal PC or PS3 isnt powerful enough to support 3 million plus ppl!

Dark_Overlord2921d ago

So i'm a pc troll just because I refuse to buy into ND's BS? Its funny how when someone disagrees with you you're automatically labelled a troll.

I never said I wouldn't enjoy the game, hell I never said I wouldn't buy the game. What I am saying is that I'm sick to death of these devs blatantly lying to their fanbase.

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elshadi2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

i will support ND forever
as long as they keep bring incredible games like uncharted games

THC CELL2922d ago

people pay for xbox live and to be honest its not a much better service then pc or ps3 by rights u should get all your dlc free no ads and also dedicated servers online on every game

Make xbox free and have it with ads
pay and no ads

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outwar60102922d ago

not sure about this game i loved u1 and u2 but the beta felt ruined the gmeplay was far from the fluidity i came to expect from the previous games but maybe hopefully they fixed it for the final release