MediaKick: "Somehow it is us, the customer, who is getting shafted every which way, and it has to stop.”
I could not agree more, when it effects the single player game then there is something seriously wrong.
This is robbery. I wonder if we can suit them.
Not without a tie
lol Sorry for my english, i mean sue them of course, to take them to court. I mean this is illegal, the game is our property when we buy it, it has always been like this, we do what we want with it.
Actually dude, a game isnt "your property" when you buy it. If you want to think that, thats fine, but dont threaten legal action and claim something is illegal when its stated in writing that when you buy a game, you have only purchased the lisence the play it, you dont own it in any way, shape or form.
How the fuck is this robbery, look at what happened when sony tried to defend itself, its idiots like you who think they are always in the right taht are causing companies to do this. Companies are going to get tougher and tougher on used games and pirates and this is jsut the first step, sure fight it as hard as you want, the next round will just be tougher and a more of a hinderance. I do agree though that does fuck over a lot of peopel who can't afford internet, or who are in school and don't have a reliable acess to it.
So buying a well made game new is wrong? It cost you nothing more for an online pass if you buy it new.
What if the company decides to remove the activation server? Instantly no longer access to single player. What about lending the game to your friend?
The answer for these game company is just to go digital download. Honestly it's better than this shit. There is no reason to be selling xbox 360s with 4 gig HDD for 200 bucks now. The tech is old enough to sell with 500 gig HDD from both companys for 250 or less. Once they move to large HDD, they can just run through digital Download. Then they can kill the resale market that gamespot has created. Gamespot is the greater threat to the industry's bottom line than piracy these days, merely because not everyone pirates but I can bet more than 50 percent of the people out there who buy their games new don't keep them in their collection for long. I wonder if gamefly is hurting them to?
"So buying a well made game new is wrong?" 1) That isn't the question at all, and pass-apologists know it. Don't even try that crap. 2) It limits legitimate customers. Most importantly, the number of accounts or systems that it can be played on. 3) It destroys the long term value of a game. In the future, you might replace your system, lose an account, etc; then what? The content is lost unless you buy another pass. And look even farther; I still play consoles several generations old and I'm not alone - So what happens when I buy an old game that I couldn't even get new if I tried? It has half of its content, that's what. 4) I want to try a game before I buy it. Let's say I rent it. But the catwoman gameplay is completely absent. So I've missed like 1/4 or so of the game regardless. Do I brush off my wool, buy the game blindly, and cheerfully 'baaa' as I use up my online pass that locks me into one system or a few accounts? Well, I don't. Still say it isn't a problem for people who buy new?
...principle... See there is a lot being done that is nickle and diming the consumer and its being done in the guise of combating used games sales, piracy, or the best one..."to supportz the fanz". One of these is DLC. While all DLC is, is a form of microtransaction for very little meat. Publishers and doing this left right and center and always with some spiel...but at the end of the day, they still make a shitload of money. Ex. Deus Ex:HR: You go and drop $60 on this game. Now a touch over a month, you get to pay 14.99 for DLC. That is 1/4 of the price for the full game!!!! ...that is bull****! I really hate where videogames are going, being in this hobby for over 20 years now. 20 years ago it was already shady with some of Jane's releases...really showing how much outside influence there is on our beloved hobby.
I would like to add that the DE:HR dlc was obviously taken out of the full game.
Agreed 1000% There are three gamers in our household each with their own xbox and profiles. We all chip in to buy games every month, but with these online passes only one of us gets to use the locked out content. We brought the game brand new! It aint fair that two of us dont get to experience it unless we fork out another $10 each. I'm sick of it.
Online passes will not be around forever. Once games move to digital download only and are tied to a specific profile there wont be online passes. Developers dont want you to trade in or rent their game. This is their way of making doing so inconvenient. You can still pirate with digital download only games but that isnt as widespread as the used game market.
The nice thing is that digital only will create a much more reasonable purchase environment. Ask anyone who uses Steam with regularity. All big budget games get discounted by at least half eventually, and a lot of times the sales will net greater profit for said developer than the original release.
Finally some people see this as a bad thing much like me. not cos pirates thats BS. Its just another way getting extra revenu you simple,This does not go to the devs dont forget people when you buy a online pass you pay threw xbl or psn. part of that money go to sony and microsft the other to the publishers distrabution right's. Its another scam 10 years ago this was never aa issue with second hand market so whats changed now Nothing. you still had gamecube,playstation 2,xbox1. many titles many developers and publishers many game stores buying selling used games. As for copy's well thats not too much of a issue on ps3 and last time i heard ms can detect and stop cop's even blocking yur ip no.? Only way tto make any kinda stand isnt on N4G you need to go to xbox live website and playstation website start a thread. MAKE YOURSELVS HEARD!! If we choose not to buy the publishers get the message and it will stop same with DLC prices. We power the industry we pay them..
wait what locking out of single player now? this is when i wont give a damn if games get pirated and hacked to pieces, that is gone too far. its a shame Batman AC looks amazing.
Just buy the game and stop being cheap.
Its that talk that makes this carrying on.
Never brought a game that supports them...i will easily wait for the price of the game too retail at £20 brand new @lex luther if they want to skank we will just be smart ;)
Yep, that's what i'm starting to do now. I still haven't bought mortal kombat.
@ dang Man, you're gonna miss out on alot of games then. No Batman Arkham City, BF3, UC3, etc.
I prefer single player games but like i said i will just wait for the price to go down
Christmas is round the corner and a lot of stores do have good offers even on new released games. I learned my lesson when fallout3 came out. two weeks later the special edition was like half price. I usually buy a game day one if it's a game like skyrim or batman, but I really don't like the direction this is all going and more and more I am holding off.
Too bad for you, you're going to miss U3 then and I assure you, it's gonna be Awesome! :P
sucks people hath to have an online pass for uncharted 3 especially without dedicated servers. All in all games are slowly losing content and quality and we hath to keep paying out the ass.
All the games I got, I got them for $39.99 or $49.99 first day or 3 week of when the game was released.
I'd actually say piracy and lost prophets for people buying used games has gone too far. They wouldn't be doing this if every1 and their brother wasn't buying games used. You aren't fighting it by buying used. You're adding to it!
Punishing people who are legally buying it is what's going to far.
It isn't a punishment. It's a choice. Do you want to play online? Buy the online version. Remember the whole Xbox Live thing? Some people support its existence by explaining the extras you get for paying to play online. This isn't much different. You can pay a little more early (or wait for the price drop to satisfy your frugality AND game experience) and get everything, or you can get the dumbed down version and pay for the extras that should have been there in the first place.
Agree completely and well said. If this is a blow for those that promote the buying and selling of used games(I'm talking big greedy businesses) then I am in favor of it. Devs lose millions of dollars every year because people want to save a few pennies and get ripped off at the same time. I do not feel bad for the people that buy used games IN GENERAL. If you are poor, I feel for you, but a lot of games are cheaper NEW on Amazon and elsewhere.
Its quite simple. If you don't feel a game is worth 60 bucks, give it a few months, I have yet to see a game not get a price drop or go on sale somewhere within a few months of release. It's devs/pubs trying to suffocation the used sales market which robs people. If you trade in a relatively new game to GS they give you 30 bucks and turn it for 55, almost 100% profit on their investment. Devs do all the work for GS to make hugely on the games.
Do you realize that places like GameStop most likely employs more people than a single publisher. Their cost is also staggering when you account for all the retail space they occupy. In contrast, when EA makes $210 million last quarter, I hardly doubt they need the "extra millions" in profit. That will go straight to line the executives pockets. Did you know EA made likely $10-15 million alone on Online Passes!
If you're going to count all of the GameStop employees from customer service to shipping, shouldn't you also count all of the EA employees? Or does EA just have a room with 30 dudes imagining, creating, testing, marketing, and shipping games? GameStop isn't selling used games because that's all they can do. They're doing it to make extra money. . . Guess where the extra money goes! Pro-tip: It doesn't go to the janitor. GameStop can sell new games just like they used to before used game buying/selling took off.
So you do you think that extra money is going to spur EA to hire more people? Thought so! The money that GameStop makes, a chunk of it goes to operations that again get's redistributed. You can't exactly say, EA has financial issues making $210 million a quarter, that's about almost a billion annually.
@gamingdroid You're probably correct in that EA makes plenty of profit, but at least some of those earnings go back into the development cycle of new games. Gamestop is a business, and their employees need to eat, live, and whatnot, but their business existence is all about taking a slice out of video game profit. It's all well and good to vilify EA as a large, nasty, greed-mongering company, but at least they're in the business of games/profit as opposed to just profit. Minor side note: 210 million in one quarter does not equal billion in a year. It equals 210 in one quarter. Now, if they had consistent quarterly profits, that'd be a different story.
Oh god. DO NOT COMPARE USED GAMES MARKET TO PIRACY!!! used games are acfually BOUGHT copies and publishers have NO RIGHT to take any cut of it. ESPECIALLY those MULTI-F**CKING BILLION companies! Wake up! They want more money!!! They want to milk our pockets in any way possible!!! Did any of these crazy DLC milking for arkham city give you any hint? look at the companies who does online passes: EA UBISOFT SONY All of them are HUGE companies and they have games that sold MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF COPIES!!!! gosh!! Sorry for the CAPS RAGE but I hate how consumers are defending those acts.
I have indeed noticed how companies milk DLC for extra cash, like Fable 3 selling Black Dye as DLC but giving you almost all other colors with the game itself. Do you know how many games are purchased used now? It's no longer a small problem like it once was. A company that loses millions of dollars finds ways to keep turning a prophet. Millions of dollars results in major budget cuts in the form of... Da da da DAAA! Lost jobs. Everybody's lookin to make a buck. Grocery stores, fast food shops, Hollywood. Everybody. This economy is currently shit and all companies are feeling the pressure. Is it right? No. But it is what it is and the only thing we can do to hope to stop it is to support the company. Protesting by not buying anything will just result in more budget cuts. Do not rage at me for having a view point that differs from yours. I hate people who rage about such a simple problem when I've been homeless for the last year and only recently gotten back on my feet. You don't hear me pissing and moaning about it. Good day, sir!
What are you talking about? EA made $210 million in profit last quarter. They don't feel the pinch of the economy. Heck, the industry and these companies are as large and healthy as they have ever been. Don't spread FUD! When these companies make almost a billion dollar in profit a year, I highly doubt they need our support. However, if you still feel the need to support them, just donate your own saving, but don't encourage us other to do the same!
Sorry sir but actually you can compare piracy to the used game market cause in both instances the the developer/publisher dont get a dime from either of them and the online pass have come because of that result.
Agree 100% Lord Sloth. This is because Gamestop and used game sellers didn't share with the software house. They didn't pay and now the user pays. Have you thought that, especially for game with online sections, the software house pays to keep the users' accounts on the server? This online pass is good for gamers? No, but gamers can also buy a game new after 6 months and pay it exactly like a used one after 2 week from release. New games on Amazon after a couple of months costs really less than used on Gamestop. No good for gamers but fair nonetheless.
Lost prophets? Leave religion out of this.
You made me laugh, good sir.
Lost prophets?? You mean like Moses? Well he was lost in the desert for 40 years..
This guy knows what he's talking about. Listen people. Sure its never a good thing to have a door slammed shut on you for buying a game perfectly legally. But when you do so in a manner that does nothing to benefit the developer in ANY way. Things like Online passes become necessary for them to make at least a little profit. @GamingDroid... Sure, they made 10-15 million from online pass sales alone... but think of it from their perspective. How much do you think they lost due to piracy, used game sales, and friends sharing games? I can tell you one HELL of a lot more then 10-15 million.
Thank you, good sir. Somebody gets it and I have just used my last bubble to say such!
Lol no problem man. When someone speaks logicly, and with sound reasoning, and they are getting hit with obvious closeminded bs. They should know it. Sorry people, but from a business standpoint this all makes sense.
Suddenly I don't feel like giving them my money anymore.
The only way for gamers to reject the online pass is not buy the game. If not, the publishers will see a high sales and will not listen. And yes, we'll have to miss out a lot of new games. I spoke out about the online pass when EA first introduced it over a year ago. Back then, most gamers just don't care.
There is only one game that I will make the exception for, and that is Uncharted 3. If there is an online pass on the box, I will not buy.
This isn't new. This is actually how the first online pass was used (assuming my memory is correct and ME2 was the first). In ME2, you were blocked from recruiting Zaeed and doing several other quests unless you had the Cerberus Network code.
... I never bought Mass Effect 2, and boycot pretty much all other games who have this kinda greedy crap going on. Sadly, Arkham City is already pre-ordered and paid for, and I'll be getting it for my birthday from my girlfriend, otherwise I would have either pirated it or waited for a cheap GOTY, purely because of the DLC-milking announcements lately and now this news about Catwoman's Online Pass. It's sickening. I'm recommending all my friends to either wait or pirate the PC-version. Greedy developers/publishers like these will hopefully get what's coming to them. Just look at Capcom and their greed. By now, any gamers would have to be severly stupid if they woulod still buy Streetfighter vs Tekken NEW. You already know they'll be DLC-scamming you and releasing a 'Super' version of the game within 12 months for half the price. Capcom's greed just means that gamers will avoid buying their games new and at full price. And rightly so. I'll keep these greedy practices by Rocksteady/WB in mind when they release their next game.
You can't complain about greed while advocating piracy. If you don't want to purchase the game, that's is fine. Stealing the game, however, is equally deplorable to the publisher's money grabbing. Two wrongs don't make a right. If you think otherwise, you are just as greedy and morally bankrupt as the game developers/publishers. Piracy will only lead to the publishers/developers incorporating more of these tactics in their future games. If you want to stop these online passes, don't buy the game. Also, "the game is already paid for", is a poor excuse. If you are truly that upset, cancel the pre-order.
... most consumers are more than happy to PAY when they don't feel ripped off. If they want to fight piracy, then offer value for money, instead of nickel-and-diming their customers after they have already bought your product. There have been MANY games this generation which I WOULD have bought full-price, IF there wouldn't have been DLC-milking/scamming going on. They announced DLC: I decided to wait for a GOTY/Ultimate/Complete edition for 20 bucks orso. IF I was even bothered about the game by then anymore. I would have bought Forza 3 full-price if they had just said all future DLC would be free. Same for Assassin's Creed 2. Same for so many other games. They wanted to nickel-and-dime me, and instead of me paying them 50-60 bucks, they ended up with 10-20 bucks (Fable 2, Forza 3, Fallout 3, Assassin's Creed 2, Oblivion, Etc etc), or in some cases, no sale at all (Modnation Racers, Borderlands, Split/Second, LA Noire, Mortal Kombat, Marvel vs. Capcom 3, etc etc). DLC has made me spend LESS money on their games. Not more.
Since ME3 online pass is required for the co-op multiplayer, is it still going to lock up a character or quest like ME2? EA has been quiet about it. Being quiet almost sounds like a character will be locked. The issue with character unaccessible without the code is the character becomes unimportant to the story because the story has to assume any "locked" or "DLC" character is not required. In ME2, neither Zaeed nor Kasumi are important to the story.
oh well, i was thinking in getting this game... but i really don't support this kinda of thing... too bad, it seemed like a good game...
Dont worry, just hold out for the GOTY edition next year, it will be better during the release of The Dark Knight Rises also.
nope, it's a matter of respect for the gaming community, it don't matter if they try to fix it afterwards, they shall never have a peny from me, i don't buy any more games from devs who do that too, as of now my list goes as follows: -Ubisoft -EA -Activision -Blizzard -Capcom -Gearbox -Square Enix -Nanco -Tecmo until they get back to respect the gamer, they will not get money from me, this generation is a joke, with all this DLC before launch, overpriced games, stupid DRM, online pass(now offline pass too) if they want my money, then they should start respecting me, and every gamer that respect himself should do the same...
Who knows, they might pull a Ubisoft - they re-released Assassins Creed Brotherhood Da vinci edition with code only with the same disc.
What worries me about the online passes is that the game gets completely useless to play in the future. Whenever a game depends on an online pass, it is also dependent of onine servers, which will not be online forever obviously. Even if a buy the game new, and for whatever reason I don't open it, or if I buy the game new 5 or more years later, then I cannot play the full game because I need an online server on in order to redeem it. For example: I just bought Zelda: Wind Waker NEW for the gamecube to play it in my Wii. If this game used an online pass to unlock features of SINGLE PLAYER ( I know it doesn't have MP, but making the point about SP) like Batman does, then I won't be able to play it, even though I purchased the game NEW. Granted, not at full price, but still new. So this BS has to stop. Publishers need to think of a way so that honest gamers who buy their games new don't get affected. Or al least then, they should lower the prices, because paying $60 for a locked game, or to rent a game is a rip off.
thats a little extreme
Um. It's that way now, even without online pass. Go try and play a game of Halo or Halo 2 online, if you don't believe me. There will never be a "single player pass". That's ridiculous. Did you know that 80% of the people who bought Halo 3 NEVER played online? Publishers would lose most of their business if single player required online activation.
But Batman Arkham City does. In order to play as Catwoman, and unlock her missions, you need a VIP pass, which is the same thing, because you need to download the content (or the unlock key). B:AC is taking this Online Pass way too far. Why would they need to lock content from SIngle Player? If this trend continues and speed to other games, what's this industry going to become? Because I certainly don't plan to support these practices, and lest if they mess with single player as WB is doing. I want to be able to play my games now, or 20 years from now. I understand the MP is not possible because of the servers, and they cost money to have them on, but why should I need a VIP pass to play as Catwoman, if I already paid for the content? If 10 years from now I want to dust off my PS3, I won't be able to play it!
The only type of online pass I hate is the one Ubisoft uses. You have to unlock it ingame and can't share the pass with anyone. Sony's and EA's are better as I can redownload it from the store on different PS3's. I hope batman has the PSN type as its unfair for my brother not getting single player content.
Luckily I have internet access (as does the author of the article) so this doesn't affect me.
The difference is I can look and evaluate situations beyond those that directly affect me ;-)
Take my money thanks...the majority of gamers are adults who will probably buy the game new anyway. These companies aren't stupid...sales won't be hurt much if at all. Look at the games doing it, these are not your ok or good titles...these are the blockbusters of the year. Hopefully these are good passes like Lucreto mentioned.
Locking out single player campaign content to first purchasers only is a real super classy move. Follow the auto industry model and start buying and selling your own used games. Don't tax gamers because you can't think of a good way to do that.
Honestly, this has caused me to be more careful about what i buy Unfortunately for some gamers its gonna be a buy the game new or dont buy at all mentality.