John Carmack, the legendary developer of Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, and Quake, has laid the smack down on PC gaming.
PCs are only good for World of Warcraft and Minesweeper, it's a deathtrap for every developer out there with the amount of piracy and it's laughing stock of a so-called 'gamers'. It's okay, consoles are the future. Enjoy updating your drivers and reinstalling shits. It's only a testimony of the hypocrisy of PC gamers that in just an overnight Carmack turned from the godfather of all PC games to "noz he's wrong and a liah!". Get over it. I hope you like your ports.
Enjoy your 720p and 30fps. Most pc games play fine on most average to high-end pcs. Try customuising a console's hardware. You can't. ^Try adding mods to games. You can't. Try 1080p 60fps. You can't. With consoles, you have to wait 7 or more years to get new hardware. With a pc, you can simply upgrade any time you want.
Yeah I like my ports at 1080p and may be some extra AA. Thanks for hoping.
cant believe carmack is such a crybaby before the game went live he was praising PC and its power and at the end THIS comes out of him ?? lol he bashes AMD and NVIDIA and then calls PC not a leading platform and sh!t lol just admit your fault and fix things up with an update and stop crying there you have it
Oh, don't worry. We're having a blast on our PS360s. While you guys are updating your drivers/patching/reinstalling/ formatting/tweakingCFGs for your mess of a game. We're already enjoying it the best online services provided this gen. How's that waiting a few months for a patch that breaks your game and delete your saves going for ya. Yeah, just hang in there, I'm sure when Diablo III comes out in the 29th century it will be all worth the wait with its stripped down features. Btw I hear Nvidia's releasing a new graphics card soon time to fork out 400$ for that one, again. Don't forget about throwing a few gigs of sticks that you don't need just to feel more secure for that 0.000013ms stutter. Is it true that more and more developers are taking away mods support because there's an epidemic with PC gamers for releasing "hentai skins"? No wonder they don't wanna have anything to do with you boys.
Way to counter his point guys. What about his point of PC being a death trap? What about his point about Carmack? You ignore his entire comment and go straight into counter attack? Way to show your "superiority". And we are enjoying our 720p and 30fps, quite a lot actually. Whats the argument going to be once the new consoles come out? We don't have you worry about drivers or hardware not working or not being good enough, we just put the game in and play. There are pluses and minuses to both sided. And FYI there are a number of game that run 1080 and 60 on console. Just saying.
Hard to call the guy a leader and his game engine a leader when Witcher 2, BF3, and the last Stalker game have better lighting/textures than this game. I still think the guy is a genius but Rage just makes me think he is past his prime or this was just a mistake on his part.
dunno who you think you are talking to, I would think most people that have money for gaming PCs would have consoles too. don't think there's many PC-only gamers.
I hope you like being reported for trolling. Rage is an embarrassment anyway. All that development time and all Rage managed was just generic gameplay and infinite pop-ups. John Carmack will always be remembered as the skinny virgin who betrayed the very people who made him famous.
Oh man, you really resent PC gaming. Did it touch you as a little boy? It's ok, I won't tell.
Pc only good for WOW and mines? really? Let Counter Strike release i'll challenge you 1 on 1 take ur ps3 or 360 beat my keyboard and mouse running 1000hz polling rates and 120fps on 120hz monitor. I say mother me if u can i'll use only pistol or knife!
PC oh PC, why art thou behind consoles in sales but thou hast over quadruple the piracy? Oh PC, methinks thou doth protest too much.
Thanks, while you're over there with your garbage sub-HD 20fps games, I'll be over here with a multitude of settings. I have a PS3 and a PC, play both of them equally, but stop being such a braindead fanboy. With that comment of yours, it's very obvious you don't have a clue what the fuck you're on about.
Wow you guys are right PC sucks with that crappy gaming community of over 30 million on steam alone, Emulators for 360, PS3 and Wii, superior graphic to that of 7 year technology, ability to upgrade at anytime rather than waiting for companies to dish out a new console every 8-10 years, and bad-ass games like CSS, TF2, ARMA series, Red Orchestra, Battlefields, Starcraft, WoW, and Crysis. Not to mention games costing less than that on a console. DAMN CRAPPY GOOD FOR NOTHING INFERIOR PC!!!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watc...
but.. i play console and pc...
For every great PC Developer that has gone on to make console titles and basically turn their back on the platform that gave them their stardom (The PC) by making a horrible port, there has been a new Developer to stand up and take their place. id, Crytek, Activision, Bethesda, Unreal, etc. are not missed by me at all especially seeing how DICE, 4A Games, Tripwire, Bohemia Interactive, GSC Game World, CDProjekt Red, FunCom, CCP, Valve, Blizzard, Arena Net, and many others still Develop quality PC titles and use the PC as the lead platform when designing games. So for everyone that leaves the PC it only makes room for someone new to step in! ...and for Carmack to blame Nvidia and AMD is an insult to the PC industry when AMD and Nvidia work so closely with Devs to make sure the Devs have everything they need to make a good product on the PC especially for such a high profile game as Rage! Carmack just made a crappy console port for the PC and the lack of Video settings proves that the PC version was just that....a crappy console port!
and i never thought i'd see the day when Carmack saw sense and went to the bigger, better market. now we'll see what he can really do. sorry but for me and i suggest many others here, it is incredible how you have all turned on the guy you lot relied on for making yourself feel better about PCs. he was great, but not now. why? because he told you the truth
for a "genius" little did he know that pc would get upgraded and become better than consoles. What a moronic excuse to go the console way. He should of just admitted from day 1 that console was his new way, not use that stupid excuse that consoles were as or even more powerful than pc's at that time and act like pc's wouldnt get upgraded.
genius aka genuine-a$$ lolz
Ahh someones still living in the past. Dude he said 'that' what, 3 years ago and has since apologised and cleared up. Move on dude, move on.
He said that the consoles had a larger consumer base than PCs and that is true. He's always been a champion of PCs but this just left a bad taste in his mouth.
The birth of the PC Defense Force. XD
"Carmack blamed AMD and NVIDIA for releasing bad drivers, stating that due to users operating with the incorrect drivers installed, they purchased a product that wouldn’t work" This does not sound particularly out of the ordinary, I would believe Carmack.
incorrect drivers shouldnt make a game unplayable, specially with someone like me with a 6970 ati card and the latest. Any other driver should of worked, fact is game was unplayable an dbroken unless it used SPECIFIC drivers which is just bullshit.
You don't understand how drivers work, so no, you're wrong.
"incorrect drivers shouldnt make a game unplayable" Stopped taking you seriously right there.
The problem is the game still suffer horrible low resolution textures and terrible lighting when the game does work. Technical issues with getting the game to work aside, the Tech 5 engine have some serious flaws.
Going where the money is; said that himself.
Why are some PC gamers so elitist? You guys act like your superior to console gamers and it's completely pathetic. We're all gamers just trying to be entertained by our experiences. Carmack screwed everyone over with this game so stop acting like he turned his back on you. @below: You haven't played this game on console. The texture pop-in is the worst I have ever seen. To the point where the game shouldn't have been released. The PS3 has a 7gb install there is no excuse.
he had been devoted to pushing pc and technology to insane heights and now he says this and releases rage as it is on pc.... he totally screwed over every pc gamer. You got a game that looks good for consoles, so explain to me how he screwed you over ?
Bu bu but we made him who he is...how dare he turn his back on us! /s I hate pc elitists, they think cause they spend $400 on the latest video card they're owed the world. Well who feels dumb now lol! I spent $299 on my ps3 and i'm getting the SAME experience with Rage. Oh, wait...actually i'm not getting the same experience, my game actually WORKS lol. Edit- maybe if you guys actually buy games instead of pirating them or waiting for them to drop to $5.00 on steam, devs and pubs might care about you.
just calm down, its a small majority of pc gamers that act as such, everyone deserves a fair gaming experience, so when one group gets screwed over it doesn't give anyone the right to attack its user base.
Why did people overestimate his abilities is the better question to ask. The man made Doom 1-2, then made Quake which was fundamentally based on Doom, then years later he makes Doom 3 amid much fanfare and PC upgrade requirements which under delivered, and yet people expected better? Groundbreaking?
Agreed. Its odd that people have such reverence for devs like id. Carmack may have his accomplishments but id hasn't been relevant since Doom 3. Honestly, Im not sure I care if id leaves the PC. There will be others to fill what ever void (assuming there is one to begin with) is left behind. The open nature of the PC means it will never die. The loss of mind-numbingly repetitious bullshit like Gears of War really isn't that big of a loss. I can't imagine doom 4 being revolutionary in any way that makes it a huge loss. Id's time at the top was gone long ago, so lets move on and focus on the devs that don't decade long cycles.
pc gamers established the gaming industry, yet now devs are treating us like trash.... - sterling archer. IF it wasn't for bf3 looking unbelievably good on pc, me and every pc gamer would be lined up with pitchforks at carmacks house. The fact that dice makes pc the lead platform, and pushes it to insane heights, is enough for me to say that dice rather then ID is possibly the best pc dev out there. Also didn't carmack say that putting rage on consoles was a mistake ? He also said that doom 4 would be pc based, so its possible he will still make pc the lead for doom 4.
Games are a business and id like everyone else is trying to adjust to the new game market. Shit happens and I'm sure in no way is id sleeping well at night knowing there have been issues with the PC version of rage. They want to make an engine that plays well on all systems. The Console market is where the money is at and after spending 5 years in development on a game it would be a waste of their time and effort to just focus on the PC version since they wouldn't even come close to breaking even based on PC sales. Keep rocking John! You're an innovator and always have been!
John Carmack is just going where the money is
John Carmack think is guided by the money?
This. From a console-gamer perspective opinions of Carmack are much different.
They're just feeding the herd.. the downside to it is that you get the same types of games constantly - appealing to the masses because that's where the safe money is. It's like when the History Channel stopped showing history and started with ice-road truckers or pawn shop this or that. It's certainly nothing to brag about.
There is something us PC fans can look forward to. PS4/Xbox 720 ports. At least by the time those consoles are released ports' graphics will be to the standards of PC games today...
Sure the PC very was buggy but 60 fps on a game looking that good on consoles, he's still a great lead programmer.
AMD and NVIDIA have all the blame.Carmack no. Like you've disappointed with RAGE.
the game was a Cluster#@&$!!!
Carmack has made an unforgetable but hopefuly forgiveable mistake IF he's back to his senses and refrained from expressing such unwise press comments. i believe he will, he already is trying to do some damage control if not for the game, at least to hi personal reputation. to all the inexplicable PC haters out there, get this through your heads that surprisingly are being replaced by donkey asses, without the PC you as gamers and your whole gaming fantasies would never exist. stop being making jackass of yourselves and show little respect and appreciation to the platform. truly ignorance and ingratitude is the plague of this generation's gamers. indeed, plastic gamers.
Please GTF off your high horse, guarantee I've been playing games longer than you.. but unlike you I don't go around with my dick in my mouth and acting like my shit don't stink. Here's something jackass - lately you so called 'PC gamers' have been acting like you're superior and look at you, getting all bent out of shape over 'RAGE' calling Carmack a sellout.. Pathetic..
it's very revealing of the general mindset of a PC owner isn't it. that little boy who never left the house and put all of his energy into beefing up his PC and never once considered the problems the lack of social skills would bring. all their love poured into a machine and then the heart of that machine tells them: 'you know, PCs aren't all that great' and suddenly they snap like petulant children when mother wouldn't let them stay up late to watch open university
You see? This is what I mean when I say that PC gaming creates divas. This entire article is a pc fanboy whine piece about how certain companies and developers aren't giving the PC the best of the best and focusing on the PC. As if to say that the only way games can get better is with better specs, better tech for visuals and the like. What about original ideas? What about creativity in art style, character development, story, or control? Once a PC only developer even hints that they like console development in any way, the lynch fest begins and they are called sellouts. Can you blame a dev like Carmack when PC gaming is so touchy that even the slightest thing can make the entire game atrocious? Read this article and see the hyperbole in it. See the the PC elitist diva attitude that thinks that PC gaming is the be all, end all of gaming. See the condescension towards console gaming. It's pathetic. When you see console gaming, you see more people that enjoy actually gaming, a larger audience, more acceptance. When you see PC gaming you see demands, you see elitism, you see what happens when you make the slightest mistake or do not give the best of the best. Why should a developer put themselves through things like that? To be told what you've made isn't good enough? Whatever. What Carmack said doesn't mean he's turning his back on anyone. It is his explanation of things. Simple as that.
OK what about all the console diva articles about "360 has gears!!", "PS3 has Uncharted!!!"...It's the same thing for every platform. But I will agree with you that it's pathetic, but don't act like it's just PC gamers because that's far from the truth.
It's not a PC elitist attitude at all. Carmack was a pc developer that use to take advantage of the system and not leave any features gimped. And since then he has taken a complete 180 degree turn. It's like if Naughty Dog all of a sudden turned their back on PS3 gamers out of no where. Are you telling me that it's different if they complain about that?
Naughty dog are 1st party, Carmack can do what he likes
hey console whine baby, youre doing the same shit u accuse us pc elitists of doing, hypocritical bastards at their best
He be trollin and trying to get a rise out of PC players , no point responding.
@kcuthbertson: Your point is valid and I can't argue against it, however comparing fanboys across all platforms shows that PC elitists have that greater sense of entitlement, are far more condescending and demanding, and throw hissy fits at the drop of a hat. Whereas this gen's fanboys have the media to thank for creating the "comparison craze" and the over-emphasis on "teh grfx", what's the PC gaming excuse? I can't deny that every platform has its over-zealous fanboys, but I've seen that PC fanboys are far more pronounced, and even organized in their fanboyism. @caboose32: You're telling me that the massive b*tchfest aimed at Carmack for Rage is not PC elitism at it's finest? Let me ask you something, what precedence is there to believe that Carmack is at fault for the problems with Rage? Has he created several games with these problems? Or is this uncharacteristic of his skills as a developer? If the latter, then is it completely unreasonable to assume that it is, in fact, the fault of the graphics card developers and their drivers? Your example is flawed, as it is impossible. Also, Carmack hasn't turned his back on the PC. PC gamers weren't satisfied with Rage and b*tched about it, he offered his explanation and that too wasn't good enough for PC gamers and thus these ridiculous articles about him being a sellout that has abandoned the PC platform have turned up. God forbid that the PC gamers don't get the absolute best, because that makes any developer a sellout right? Say hi to the multiplatform problem. It's a problem created by, well, no one knows. It didn't exist last gen, but devs are being paid for parity and that causes many problems with so many different architectures. As long as the game isn't completely broken, be glad you even have a game to play.
If John Carmack is no more with the PC. The PC Gamers are lost. The implement the PC and without the anger slowly like a turtle. Why have you forsaken me!
Carmack in my eyes is NO LONGER an Elite Developer! He made Castle Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake and a few not so famous titles in between and now Rage! Sure the first 3 are classics but since then nothing Carmack has made has been innovative or has pushed the industry ahead and Rage is just a another good title but nothing great. So far Rage has only managed 600K on 3 platforms. I'm sure it will cross a million sold but that's the point! Games now a days only need to manage 1.5 million total sales to be very profitable. Rage was not a High Dollar Developed game. It was made quickly and ported with ease to 3 platforms. $10-$15 million Develop budget and port the game to all 3 platforms, sell 1.5 million units and net $35 million in profit! Many Devs use this easy money making formula to make some quick cash with very little effort and Carmack is no different! Sure some of the games might be fun but as a Core Gamer I like Games that push the industry forward or really go all out to separate themselves from the status quo! I like those Devs that really look at the artistic and quality side of gaming with a keen eye and not just "how much money can i make with no effort" attitude that many devs seem to take. Sure Gaming is a business but all good businesses were started on the premise of quality and good products and when the quality goes so do the customers! I passed on Deus EX HR to buy Rage but luckily I didn't pre-order Rage so now I'm so happy cause Rage isn't all that and now maybe I'll take that $50 and go buy Deus Ex HR!
carmack speaks the truth
I think everybody must just calm down and play dota 2 for life!!! Im gona do it :D
You know what makes me hate most of the comments on here...I have a PC AND a PS3!!! *GASP*. PC does have issues sometimes...but it's not near as bad as some of you want it to be...90% games run flawlessly with no problems. Even when they don't...it's the Dev's fault usually, not the PC's. Do console gamers complain when a Dev give them a shoddy port? You bet your sweet ass they do. And they should. Just like PC gamers complained about RAGE. But you know what? I love my PS3 too. It has some amazing games that I wouldn't be able to play without it. You guys really need to take off the blinders and realize that you don't need to bash another system/user in order to have fun with your purchase. It doesn't hurt anyone when someone plays a game on a different platform, in fact it helps. The more games people buy, the more it pushes the industry forward.
Exactly, I own both a PS3 and PC also. And I tend to think that many console gamers like to bash PC gamers for complaining. But when they complain it's ok. It's a very hypocrite type attitude that makes me sick. And it goes for both sides too.
I don't know why people are raging on RAGE. I read a bit of the articlle here then it said that RAGE sucked. Um, far from it. Ok, I'm a pc gamer and got the game for windows and the game ran smooth on my system ( I7, 8gB, mind you i updated my ge force card before. I've beat the game and absolutely loved it. Personaly I found the game extreemly fun, wanting to see whats next. Wow, people gotta stop complaing and enjoy games. You expect to much. 9.2 out of 10. Cant wait for Rage 2.
"John Carmack, the legendary developer of Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, and Quake, has laid the smack down on PC gaming" lol I'll save my money then for BF3,Skyrim, Uncharted 3 and Batman Arkham city, maybe no loss to him but no loss to me either :P lol think I will play Borderlands again : )
It's all about the money money money
I like rage, one of the best looking, smoothest, fun ps3 games ive ever played. I like carmack, he's cool shit. Its funny to see everyone who was praising him as a programming god saying id are the best dev's ever turn around and totally hate this guy. Im suprised how fast people will turn on you, its sad. Yes the pc version had some driver issues and popin but rage is still a good game. Most every pc game has driver issues or save bugs, or some bs issues that get ironed out after launch. If you are really id fans and like carmack give him time to fix the issues. Hell crysis 2 took time to get hi rez texture packs, let rage release the 75 gb texture pack. If your mad because it didnt live up to your impossible self hype you created, tough shit. It played fine for everyone i know (with some pop-in) and everyone loved it so far. Good games good.
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