Years ago, gamers had many different RPG series to choose from, all coming from Japan. "Final Fantasy," "Shin Megami Tensai," "Ys," "Tales," and "Suikoden" were all amongst the greatest role-playing series and are still highly regarded. However...
blame it on the 360. Back in the PS2 days.. it was all about the games! you had just about everything from RPG's to everything! Ever since the XBOX been released.. it's been about First Person shooters and just about everyone stopped caring about the story of the game and jumps right in Online. But little do they kno it gets stale real fast! just look at Halo, It was HUGE back in 2004, look at it now. It's nothing compared to Call of Duty.. but it's all good cause call of duty will soon follow Halo.. cause they dont learn! what ever happen to games like Jaks Series Okami Final Fantasy games Dragon Quest ICO Kingdom hearts etc
Unfortunately you have to wait for games like that. Ni No Kuni The Last Guardian Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Tlg isn't really a rpg. It most likely be the best game ever made. But its not really a rpg.
you had to wait almost all gen for those titles.. /s I blame X360, because I think many casuals switched to FPS'es (because there are very much of them there, PS3 too, but Xbox takes the cake) and they like those.. so I think lots of money are being spent on FPS'es and shooters, while good games are underapreciated.. that's my opinion.. this gen in game quality & quantity is nothing compare one gen before..
Blame it on the 360? Lost Odissey? Blue Dragon? Yeah right...
And blame it on the 360 for piss poor sales. Why else would those be the only two games mist walker made for the 360
Blame it on how expensive games are to make. Also you do realise that the most played game's on ps3 are FPS's
Car broke down? Blame it on the 360. Shoelaces came untied? Blame it on the 360. Steve Jobs died? Blame it on the 360. REM broke up? You better believe it's the 360's fault.
I blame times and the world's economy. Nowadays most development teams are put under a heavier time limit than those of the 90's or early 2000's. Cost have gone way up compare to then(90's and 00's). Studios/Gaming(some) companies is either getting shut down, brought out or merging in today's time. RPG, rather Jprgs or etc, takes longer to develop compare to most of the other genres. The cost can be enormous.
I blame HD consoles and the rush to put games on them. The emphasis on realtime, 1-1 world scale and LOTR gritty reality design.
I don't get what's wrong with realtime and 1 to 1 world scale maps. Let things evolve. Everyone wants everything to stay the same.
Nothing wrong with it, its just that turn based gameplay and strategy elements are being ignored.
It's just gaming evolution I guess. People want fast paced action or action in general. RPG's take a lot of grinding, gameplay can be slow, and throws detours at you (side quests). Also, as someone mentioned, RPG's are probably expensive to make. Create different towns, people, environments, big story, etc.. I would kill for a traditional Turn Based JRPG right now. Most of it is like FF12 combat where you just run around and fight. One of the reasons why I dug FF13 so much. It has a mix of real time combat as well as turnbased.
white knight chronicles gameplay is a lot like ff12
Another article written from someone who has no clue about rpogs. And most of these comments are the same.
I don't think anyone has a clue about "rpogs."
"I traded your soul for pogs. ALF pogs. Remember Alf? He's back. In pog form."
From the article: "Instead of cutscenes, there are now dialogue trees. Instead of airships, there are now fast travel stations. Instead of job classes and teams of four, there are now hidden followers with their own agendas who you don't ever even have to meet. Instead of Chocobos and slimes, there are now molerats and mounts." Maybe having more in-game cutscenes than pure cutscenes I can understand but everything else that is said there. I don't think so. Most of the stuff mentioned there that needs to be changed are iconic stuff that differentiates a JRPG. Why would they want those gone in favor of something else is beyond me. And how can JRPG's have stagnant design? When their design is more outrageous than their western counterparts... I think the problem with Japanese development is the big developers are trying to cater to the western market than continue to support their fanbase. That's why WRPGs are strong this generation because they are not fixing what is not broken and they are not trying to cater to a demographic that they may or may not succeed on.
I blame the decline in a lot of Japanese developers, they are simply not keeping up with Western developers, their are a few like From Software who deliver the goods, but Capcom, Square, Konami, pretty much piss poor this gen in comparison to what they put out last generation.
if you asked me 5 years ago i would have been strongly against FF type rpg's now that ive played 2 Fallout Games & 2 Mass Effect games it is much harder to miss FF. Also the incorporation of RPG elements into so many other games. I used to buy FF on launch day, that was the only game i would buy on launch day, but not anymore, now its just another game, im much more excited about Assasins Creed Revalations or Mass Effect 3 or Oblivion: Skyrim than i am about either Final Fantasy xiii-2 or versus.
Correction: The Elder's Scroll IV: Oblivion The Elder's Scroll V: Skyrim Oblivion is but a mere sub-title for the game.
To the author: Google "Shin Megami Tensai" real quick. Also, um, there are still good Tales and Ys and SMT games coming out pretty regularly, as well as new series and one-off games like Valkyria Chronicles, Nier, anything by Vanillaware, Atelier...not sure what the problem is.
blame it on Morrowind. That game screwed up my expectations forever . I grew up playing FF, zelda, and Y's.
What is said is true across most genres of gaming - Japanese developers are on a decline. Except perhaps for fighting games (which have not changed much) and some quirky games and Nintendo games, the Japanese developers have not been able to compete with the Western counterparts. Just look at Resident Evil, DMC, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, what used to be the best in their genres, all overtaken by Western developed games. I'm only hoping now that Asura's Wrath will be as good in gameplay as the trailers are interesting.
Disagreed, GT5 is still king of simulator, the rest is correct imho.
This is due to the fact RPG's just can't function the same way an action game does. RPG's usually center around a journey or story of some sort. It's only natural that upon playing the same game for nearly 20 years, we're going to get tired of that typical "find the crystals and save the world" story; with the only difference from game to game being whether or not it's turn-based. Whereas action orientated games are just fun regardless of where the story is at. I shouldn't even have to name the RPG's that manage to do it differently, and thrive. They're out there, it's just not as much.
I for one loved the way FF12 played out with it's insanely huge world to explore and MMO-like controls... I spent about 400hrs in this game and still haven't discovered everything.
Can't this be said for every other genre too? Though I like Ys, Shin Megami Tensei and the Tales series I don't think they are actually "popular" (though Tales of Symphonia was well known and sold well) though on the internet it's a different story... also the Shin Megami Tensei isn't popular, it's mostly just P3 and P4 (and everything that followed after them).
The PlayStation had amazing RPGs and an almost limitless supply The PlayStation 2 had alot of amazing RPGs also During PS1 and PS2 era: Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX, X, Tactics, XII Brave Fencer Musashi 1, 2 Legend of Dragoon Grandia 1, 2, 3, Extreme Breath of Fire 3, 4, 5 Xenogears Chrono Cross Ogre Battle Tactics Ogre Legend of Mana Wild Arms 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Dark Cloud 1, 2 Rogue Galaxy and sooo many more on PS1 and PS2 This generation of gaming - WHERE THE F_ _ _ ARE ALL THE RPGs, especially the JRPGS Thank god, Ni no Kuni is coming out on PS3 in 2012 and Tales of Grace F. I hope Tales of Xillia also comes to North America
Most of the JRPGs went to the dedicated handheld gaming devices (PSP & DS) since the Japanese have became handheld centric the developers thought they can make huge money by putting most of the JRPGs there and not on the consoles. While some did succeed, others just congested the market with sub par games.
Xenoblade is all what a jrpg should be.
I really miss the old school turn based JRPGS.
The best comment I have seen all day I am right there with u turn based JRPGs are my fav genre of video games
I completely and wholly agree. These are my favorite times of RPGs and they are barely implemented in today's gaming.
Video games in general - not the games they used to be, obviously.
If they mean the JRPG, then they are EXACTLY what they used to be. They are what they ALWAYS were. Turn based, Story based, level grinding, and somewhat anime in style. None of that has changed. The problem is everyone is focusing on western rpg and wanting jrpg to BE like western rpg. And personally, WHY would you want that? if they did that, they wouldn't even be JRPG anymore would they? JRPG games have ALWAYS been niche. Now with that said, they just aren't as abundant as they used to be. THAT is an argument that would have made sense, not the one in the headline. And the lack of them has much to do with the bad economy and the high development costs these days.
I'm not exactly a JRPG scene connoisseur... But saying that, for example, Final Fantasy is exactly what it used to be, is a really far fetched statement...
Final Fantasy is an exception. the MAJORITY of them are the SAME
I just love the summary: "Years ago, gamers had many different RPG series to choose from, all coming from Japan". I guess somebody never heard about Wizardy, Ultima, Might & Magic, Bards Tale, Quest for Glory, Krondor, Diablo, Eye of the Beholder - And I'm just talking classic ~20+ years games here... Sure, these RPG series were prominent on the PC, but thanks to the migration to the original Xbox (with games like Morrowind, Fable, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Arx Fatalis, LOTR etc) and now to the PS3/X360 console owners were able to experience the games that in the past were only possible on the PC. And it seems that the results speak for themselves. The only critically acclaimed RPG from Japan was Demons Souls, and this is because From Software were smart enough to mix the western approach for RPGs and spice it up with their own hardcore touch.
It always seems a lot of ignorance permeates this discussion. It's hard to really talk about RPGs as on a worldly level when console owners think Japan is the only thing that matters. I think we got a lot of great games from them, but the market is simply larger. That gives devs from all over the *world* (who we wholly lump under the 'Western' label) chances at putting their unique cultural spin on the genre. It's a whole new world, and I don't find it so bad that JRPGs aren't the face of it anymore. You can still get good JRPGs, but now you have choices. And that's always better, I think.
True. I think people here often forget that back in the days you had to wait years before another good rpg got released. Nowadays there are so many , most of them are bad but some are great! Its all about the choice you make when purchasing it.
True but you forget Xenoblade
I already mentioned it :) the list of good rpgs in the past 5 years is longer than the writer of this article believes.
Oh sorry, I think I must have not seen that :P ... but xenoblade is still a game that america needs, they are missing out BIG TIME!
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