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MS Screws Up and Bans Game Site's Account for Fraud

GPT: "Like a lot of writers and gamers alike, I was one of those people who typically rolled my eyes when someone said they were banned from Xbox LIVE without a legitimate reason. Because let’s be honest here; most of the time the guilty party will declare their innocence to the very end. Today I’ve learned just how Microsoft’s erratic procedures result in gamers getting banned without any just cause."

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BeaRye3422d ago

lol - "Oops. MS did it again. They played with my mind. Got lost in the end."

Gray-Fox-Type03422d ago

Well unknown site probably got banned for abusing the system or somthing. Making many accounts and reviewing games down and up to thier liking. Who knows we need to know both sides to make this legitiment, Right now seems like the reviewers did somthing wrong, as always they people that get banned 99% always in the wrong and funny how they act innocent when they do get banned lol

SilentNegotiator3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

"Well unknown site probably got banned for abusing the system or somthing. Making many accounts and reviewing games down and up to thier liking"
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So you didn't read the article, then? They were caught up in the "market theft" carpet bombing that Microsoft did recently, which wouldn't include multi-account voting - I doubt they give a flying crap if people use multiple accounts to change the ratings by a thousandth of a percent.

"During the course of a recent investigation, we have discovered users who illegitimately accessed Xbox LIVE Marketplace downloadable content. Our investigation reveals that this access was intentional and not accidental, constituting a blatant violation of the Terms of Use for the service. We will not divulge additional information regarding individual suspensions for these offenses"
^^^^^^^
Here's for you and everyone else that didn't read the article.

Oh, and this "No name site" has been around since 2007, and has several sister sites.

And now if the author wants to do anything Xbox 360 related, he'll have to buy another system. Chalk that up as another double purchase to add to the sales numbers, because there's no changing Microsoft's mind on permanent console-bans.

Kushan3421d ago

Account bans != System bans. He won't need a new system, just a new account. He even states this in the article.
IF everything he says is true, then they got all the content for free from MS and the only thing they "lost" was 2 years of live subscription.

snipes1013421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

Well the problem is that Microsoft is basically capable of turning anyone who claims innocence into that one guy who no one believes until something big happens because they don't have to divulge information about any bans or suspensions they issue. This is total garbage.

Goddammit if someone is going to ban someone from a PAID service they better provide the ban-ee with some irrefutable proof instead of this he said/she said garbage. If you were banned and then emailed documentation that shows that you were definitely in the wrong, ok go for it Microsoft. But this is wrong.

I love my xbox to death, but this, this little sneaky underhanded clause they keep on their side is shady as hell. They should not be allowed to do this.

Rainstorm813421d ago

My account was recently banned in this marketplace theft wave, and ive never stolen anything from XBL and wouldn't know where to start, also the ban came at a time when I haven't
been on my 360, in about 3 months ....

At the time my gold subscription was expired but the part that sucks is you can't fight the charges. Sucks because I lose all my achievements......its shyt like this that makes me understand why people hate MS

Smh and with gears 3 right around the corner...

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fatalred alarm3422d ago

"I was one of those people who typically rolled my eyes when someone said they were banned from Xbox LIVE without a legitimate reason. Because let’s be honest here; most of the time the guilty party will declare their innocence to the very end."

So why would I believe YOUR story?

-Alpha3422d ago

You should read the excuses on their forums:

"I stepped out to feed my dog and my evil brother sabotaged my account"

BeOneWithTheGun3421d ago

@Alpha. They are a riot. It reminds me of that episode when Cartman chops up that guys parents and makes chili out of them and then as the guy eats it he tells him what he's eating and as the guy starts crying Cartman stats licking his tears and saying, "Yeeeees, Ohhhhhhhh sweet tears"

darthv723422d ago (Edited 3422d ago )

not so much the whole notion of them getting banned but as to why someone would change the original image on their site and post something as wrong as the nazi symbol.

http://www.gameplaytoday.co...

That is the real image from gameplaytoday.com

TheMyst3421d ago

Well, MS regular round of bans is coming up for November. We all know how it goes, they ban millions and there's a huge boost for Nov. and Dec. They've done for a few years now.

spenn20103421d ago

LOL holiday season is right around the corner.

I know the websites account and not they're console was banned. To those of you who think this is just coincidental stop being naive and realize that MS is doing this for two reasons. #1 they cant pick out EVERY XBL cheater one at a time so they just drop a online tactical nuke on "suspecting accounts" whether your guilty or not lol. #2 The timing is perfect for them business wise, September and usually around November is when they ban accounts and systems every year (holiday season and major software releases). Whens the last time they have banned accounts and systems during the slow software season mainly the summer.

Xbox is plagued with extreme nerds who mod, hack systems, games, and XBL. LMAO i remember being really nervous last fall when they started banning blindly and i decided that this is my last year of XBL and that 60 dollar fee. Not worth the headache or the money.

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BattersUp3422d ago

Banning a website from XBL? Now that's one way to stop your games from getting panned. ahaha

IceAc3422d ago

Looks like they wanted some better Summer of Arcade scores.

Godmars2903422d ago

Well this should certainly call MS's procedures into question. Though they've been doing it for years.

iamnsuperman3422d ago (Edited 3422d ago )

This will be a mistake. Annoying and potential really bad mistake if it isn't corrected. They do need to sort this but it is most likely an error

Off topic but is it really necessary to have a swastika in the photo.

Hicken3422d ago

Agreed on all counts. Especially the swastika. Bad taste.

vgn243422d ago

Actually, that depends on where you're from. It remains widely used in Indian Religions, specifically in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism, primarily as a sacred symbol of good luck.

SimplySara3422d ago

Of course that wasn't what was meant by using the symbol. And you, and everyone else here, knows that.

iamnsuperman3422d ago (Edited 3422d ago )

@vgn24 that is true but not slanted like that. The Nazi one is often slanted. The holy one isn't(as far as I know)

OT: I kind of thing it is a little bit unnecessary. I know they are angry but totally unnecessary. Microsoft have just made a error. What I would do is try to contact them and make them aware of the error

IceAc3422d ago

There's no contacting MS. I learned that lesson a long time ago. Bans are permanent. Good luck to them, but doubt they'll have better luck than anyone else.

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SegaSonic3422d ago

And everyone said that MS is flawless, secure and never bans good people. I wouldn't call game reviewers good people, but banning them is plain stupid.

gamingdroid3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

... and you would believe a no-name site claiming innocence, over a corporation that loses money from loyal paid subscribers when banning?

There is nothing companies love more than loyal customers that pay far in advance so by banning these guys they are essentially saying we don't want your business anymore and what company does not want business unless it is bad for them?

It reminds me of the time on n4g.com, when everyone (including me) was up in arms about Sony refusing to warrant a PS3 due to excessive dust. When the proof showed up, I was mighty embarrassed myself and wondered if the guys home was in the open desert:

http://www.homotron.net/200...

rob60213421d ago

and you would believe a corporation over a no name gaming site.

gamingdroid3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

I believe in logic (and motive/motivation), and logic tells me no company ever leaves any money on the table!

Banning somebody is cutting off a "loyal" paying customer while this no-name site is getting hits while showing no proof or even accountability.

When in doubt follow the money trail.

kreate3421d ago

What if the corporation is making money by banning someone. And that someone has to go make a new account and re-buy the gold membership?

why cant it be a temporary ban?
Or refund the remaining amount of the services the user already paid for?

What's up with straight up permanently banning someone like this?

I got ban from psn before. But it was temporary and the ban was lifted after a month. I was warned that if my actions was continous. next ban will be even longer or permanent.

Sony's approach is more reasonable isnt it? Or am I missing something? o_0;;

gamingdroid3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

***What if the corporation is making money by banning someone. And that someone has to go make a new account and re-buy the gold membership?***

Because that is not a sustainable business model.

Let alone the fact, that not only is the cost of acquiring a new customer pretty high. If you know anything about business, that is the first cost they look at.

However, expecting customers to stick around and pay again is ridiculous if you wronged the customer. Not only will they leave, but they will tell all their friends.

A permanent ban means MS don't want you as a customer anymore either.

Keep in mind that this is due to marketplace theft. You know, the equivalent to piracy!

http://forums.xbox.com/xbox...

MS do actually have temporary banning due to bad behavior. You can find those incidents here:

http://forums.xbox.com/xbox...

kreate3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

according to the user, he used a code to download. why is this theft?

if MS doesnt want u back on xboxlive. they should ban ur ip instead of just the account/console. thats how sony does it. they ban ur ip so none of ur ps3s will connect to the psn on that network.

if only the account/console is banned. one can always just buy multiple consoles/accounts/gold memberships and continue to play on xboxlive further increasing sales.

and u know those millions of consoles went on sale on ebay/craigs and they just went and bought a new console. MS does a wave of mass banning once every few years. as well as continuosly banning ppl like this.

u know the drill and the way MS is. ur a high level n4g user.

aGameDeveloper3421d ago

@gamingdroid

You say the bans are unsustainable, and I won't argue against that, entirely. However, if one were inclined to believe the "Evil corporate giant" angle, one might consider the following thought process over at Microsoft:

"Hmm, this user showed up in our list of questionable activities. Checking online activity... Alright, he's been logging an average of 50 hours a week of multiplayer COD and dozens of other games for the last 6 years - I think he'll be inclined to buy another gold account so those games don't become worthless to him!"

gamingdroid3421d ago

@kreate
***if MS doesnt want u back on xboxlive. they should ban ur ip instead of just the account/console. thats how sony does it. they ban ur ip so none of ur ps3s will connect to the psn on that network.***

The thing here is "according to the user". Do you know the details?

I'm more inclined that a company isn't out to screw a select few customers, and instead interrested in earning your business over time.

***MS does a wave of mass banning once every few years. as well as continuosly banning ppl like this.***

So banning pirates/cheaters is not a reasonable action?

@aGameDeveloper

***"Hmm, this user showed up in our list of questionable activities. Checking online activity... Alright, he's been logging an average of 50 hours a week of multiplayer COD and dozens of other games for the last 6 years - I think he'll be inclined to buy another gold account so those games don't become worthless to him!"***

Ok, so it never occured to you that maybe this person is lying? That if he was wrongfully banned, he might be so pissed off jump ship, then tell all his friends on Facebook of the horrible experience he had. Keep in mind that, to his friends he is far more trustworthy than a "big evil company like MS".

Big companies like MS and Sony aren't out to earn $500k by screwing people, they are out to make billions on an eco-system. Clearly screwing people over isn't a business model that would work.

That said, it isn't impossible that MS did something like that. However, the logic behind it doesn't add up.

Christopher3421d ago

I'm with gamingdroid on this one. I'm thinking it may be as simple as giving another user access to one of their review download codes, which would be a gross violation of their marketplace policy.

It just doesn't seem probable that MS made a SNAFU with this one user. Especially considering we have heard similar complaints before that turn out to be that the end user did in fact do something that violated MS policy.

kreate3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

I dont think Ms is out to get u either (or maybe they are?)

But during these reasonable waves of banning. It seems to appear innocent bystanders get screwed in the midst of it.

There is two sides to the story. U seem to defend MS. I'm saying MS probably makes mistakes too especially when I read articles like this from time to time.

Neither users or the corporate are innocent. Is my opinion.
There cannot be a definite answer due to lack of evidence.

Further debating on this issue is based on speculation thats not really going anywhere. I'm also running out of bubbles. How do u guys get so many bubbles?

Especially cgoodno.. I want to horde bubbles too.

Hook it up plz.

starknight3213421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

"How do u guys get so many bubbles? "

You had to do a lot of butt kissing early on in the site's development.

Those bubbles come from other uses, so just say things that'll impress them, and you'll get them. Rather than having a sensible system of being on the site longer, thus allows you to have a better basis, they leave it up to a community...and the community is obviously heavily biased anyways.

kreate3421d ago

butt kissing huh?

and u gotta rely on the n4g community?

hehe =)

i am now mute from here on out at least on this article.

Christopher3421d ago

***You had to do a lot of butt kissing early on in the site's development. ***

OMG... that's the one thing I never do. You want bubbles, think about your posts. Don't worry if they're meeting a certain group's opinion, but make level-headed arguments and back them up with quality material and facts when available.

I had 9 bubbles before I became a moderator, but 10 is reserved for moderators.

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