DICE’s Karl-Magnus Troedsson thinks that piracy is still a major problem for PC gaming, but that “draconian DRM” isn’t the way to solve it. It’s not too much of a problem for the Battlefield franchise, though, he says.
what is that meen in english ??
What does that mean in English? * I think that is what it was meant to say.
"Piracy "a problem", but DRM not the solution" Tell that to Ubisoft and their crazy love for DRM.
I pirate game to test them before I play them. I don't want to get a game and hate it I want to get a game I know I will like. Every game should have demo or something.
Well nowadays the demo has shifted to the beta with a large majority of them using betas to publicise the game and not to improve it. I miss demos. They are rarely seen. It is a shame because it showed games which I should avoid.
Bodycount demo says hi :P
Don't know what platform you are on, but a lot of games have a demo on XBOX live. Every single arcade game has a demo and so do the indie games. It is the regular games that sometimes don't. That is one thing I am thankful for on the XBOX. I tend to pirate some games to, but for the same reason as Pikajew above. There are not too many demos for PC titles anymore, and the only way to try a game out is to buy it. There are so many games I have bought that I would never have had it not been for the torrent of that game. As soon as I make up my mind about a game, I delete it, and either buy it or just forget about it. Why is it so hard to let people try your game out? If it is good, you will have no problem selling it.
Frag, most retail Xbox games don't have a demo at all, especially Triple-A games. It's a shame because the games I'm on the fence about never have a demo. Some games like Halo and Black Ops do have demos...that were released months after the game was released, by which point many people have already decided if they were going to buy the game full price or not. Quite disappointing, honestly.
Get Steam, there are fuckloads of demos for the latest games, man.
Pirating, it's something that people have done since the olden times, even if defences we're to be added, people being the pirates they are would find a way around, as usual.
Same. I pirate games that are new, no reputation. I buy them if a) I know its a franchise I love i .e. Elder Scrolls or B)I liked what I played. Black Ops for example: if you don't play the MP--the game isn't worth the 60$--I pirated it. If you hold true to the adage "buy the games you love", and I do, your merely testing games out at no extra cost. Problem is the ones who purely pirate. Its sad to see great games like Elder Scrolls, Witcher 2 and Half-life up for piracy...
Maybe this is why only sequels sell....
If a publisher doesn't have a lot of money for an advertisement then their first game is the advertisement. If it's good then over time many will know about the game from forums or friends. Then the sequel gets released with a familiar title and it must sell.
Most new IPs, yes the first game is advertisement. Online Passes also hampers "advertisement". Games like CoD didn't became one of the biggest games by hampering access.
Eh, some games you pirate deserve to be bought more than the popular games you mention. If you like a game you pirate then buy it. That is if you want the dev to make another game you like/.
pirating on that scale is wrong.
Pirating at any scale is supposed to be wrong.
who will pirate it just for a few hours of single-player campaign? BF is all about MP. but hey, u never know, the world is filled with assholes. xD
Pirating BF is idiotic, PC games are very cheap and you can't even play MP if you pirate it.
I personally know more people who pirate console games than PC games, DS and 360 being the worst. Honestly none of my PC gaming friends have pirated anything for many years. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it in't a huge issue, it clearly is. Just that in my personal experience, console piracy is worse than PC. Anyway, its been said before and its true, piracy isn't nearly as bad as some companies make out. 99.99% of the time, the people who pirate your game would never have bought it anyway so your not really losing any sales. And many a developer has said before that used sales hurt them a lot more than piracy does.
Cost was the single biggest reason to pirate software. Thanks to digital downloadable services (and the growing competition between them) it's cheaper than ever. And if there's no demo available, then youtube some gameplay footage. Piracy is for cheap scumbags who have no patience.
What? Save for indies, semi-indies (games that aren't exactly AAA titles) and old games, everything on Steam is priced at 50, sometimes even 60 euros. How exactly is that "cheaper than ever?" Do explain. That's exactly what they cost in actual, physical game stores, where I get them on DVDs (saves me the time needed to download them), with manuals, printed maps, posters etc. Digital downloadable services were supposed to make games cheaper; the rationale behind them was that thanks to removing the need for middlemen (game stores,) printing boxes, manuals, producing DVDs, distribution etc., the prices would drop significantly - only they didn't. The games cost exactly the same and, as I said before, they're priced exactly the same as the games you buy physically. They are not "so cheap nowadays" (especially considering a considerable number offer only a couple of hours of entertainment) and they're certainly not cheaper than ever.
K3x are you for real? I bought dead space for seven bucks, far cry 2 for four dollars on steam... a year after they came out. if you are like a spoiled kid who just wants his ranch doritos RIGHT NOW, then yeah, pay full price just like everybody else. And full price on steam is almost always ten dollars less than console. And keep in mind that there is no sales tax on digital download services. No scratched disks or getting mugged on the subway home either. The immense convenience of services like steam, which also get you patches and driver updates for free, and allow a social/community layer, makes them a no brainer. Complaining about paying full price for a brand new product is just silly.
So? I don't know when you bought these games. For the record, they both came out in 2008, which makes them 3 years old now. A game that came out 3 years ago is old, so is a game that came out one year ago. You bought two old games, one of them really bad, so it was even cheaper than the other one. Give yourself a pat on the back there. Guess what - normal game stores run sales too when they want to get rid of games no one buys anymore. And shit like this has been going on for centuries too, only back then they weren't selling video games necessarily. Crazy, I know! I don't give two craps about your personal preferences concerning the acquisition of video games. It's got nothing to do with what I was discussing. See, I don't really care for bullshit much and I'm also not too fond of blind fanboism, and so I felt I had to react to a post where someone stated that buying games is cheaper than ever when, clearly, it is not. It's as "cheap" or as "expensive" as it's ever been. The prices for new games haven't changed one bit. Nothing's changed. Enjoy Steam? Great, that's your right. Cut the bullshit though. I don't know if you're new to gaming or what, but PC games have always been 10 dollars cheaper than their console versions... Steam hasn't started this trend, there's nothing new about it, this is how it's always been. You get patches for free even if you don't buy on Steam. The same goes for driver updates... Steam doesn't provide any driver updates by itself; additional installers for 3rd party software and/or driver updates often come with games that require them and, once again, it's not anything new, and it's got nothing to do with Steam or any other similar platform. I don't care about the social/community layer. In fact, I could do without their bloated frontend, but that's just a matter of opinion. Whether there's a sales tax depends on your location; be happy you live in the US, I guess... Then again, I've never had any problems losing newly bought computer games to subway muggers.
Piracy can be a good tool. I'm in France, and localization is generally crap for games. As an example, I had in Oblivion the (French dub) voice of Mojojojo (PowerPuff Girls) for a third of male NPCs. Quite ridiculous to have sunday morning cartoon voices in a "serious" game. So before Steam, I would buy the French game, then download the English one. Having a double install and switching patches was fun too.
How much pure profit (after every one was payed for all thier work) did BFBC2 bring in? How many more millions of dollars do they need before piracy is not "a problem?" Blaming piracy is worse than blaming used game sales.
Piracy is a problem, but it certainly isn't killing the industry. These publishers are making millions every quarter. Last quarter EA made $210 millions. Let me highlight that by saying LAST QUARTER ALONE. We don't need Online Passes, we don't need nasty DRM that EA (and Ubisoft) is known for and certainly don't need to pay more. Piracy and used game sales are part of doing business, just like theft in retail stores. However, hurting your consumers to "try" and get the pirates to pay, is stupendous. I'm the paying customer, not the thieves!
Did you just compare used game sales to theft?
No, I didn't compare them. I simply meant what I said, used games sales and theft are a part of doing business. They both are inefficiencies in your business model. It's a cost to doing business just like filing your financials, being sued and having to keep a legal team around and etc... I have in recent times changed my stance on used games sales and believe it is the fair right of the people to do that and equally other companies to profit from it. The market wouldn't exist if the games was cheaper, so it is the publishers own doing.
Oh, ok, I misunderstood. I just really hate how publishers making that kind of money enjoy making gamers grab thier ankels. And then blame the poor gamers and charge them more money. At least that's how I see it. I only pirate games when I can't afford them or they are no longer in production. And I seriously hate the online passes, because it ruins the resale value (if I don't like the game) or it hampers my playing experience because I get no alt account to do stupid stuff. Stoopid stuff is half the fun, man! Sucks I have to mess up my stats, because the people making milions need more money. :/
You can bet your ass that EA will include some nasty DRM in BF3.
why would they need to? You won't be able to play online which is where the bulk of the game is.
Battlelog is the DRM. You can't even launch the game if you're not logged into the website through a valid account.
well d2d,impulse,steam usually have tons of deals going on with games being really cheap. look at the need for speed deal going on in steam right now thats really good.
Dice lives here in Sweden, where everyone and their neighbour is a pirate. They know what they're talking about
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