Forza Motorsport 4: Under the Hood Part 2

Forza Motorsport includes alternate times of day for a small number of environments, but those alternates do not include dark night or weather effects. For Forza 4, the majority of our graphical investment went into our new image-based lighting (IBL) model, as well as new material shaders, which give our cars and tracks such a realistic, detailed look.

[m23]

I'm loving these updates, they answer a lot of questions with great detail. So only 25 autovista cars at launch, I guess they'll add some more in the future. 500 cars at launch is great, with monthly updates as well as the 25 or so I'll get with my LCE.
Damn, this fall will be really busy.

[buddymagoo]

"Forza Motorsport includes alternate times of day for a small number of environments, but those alternates do not include dark night or weather effects."

Hold on, no weather and day night cycle. I thought they already announced this though?

[m23]

They only said that some tracks would be available with an early morning and an evening environment. They never said night or weather was in.

[kingdoms]

WTF is up with the altered title of the original story?

[ironwolf]

Without saying it directly they admit that they are limited by the hardware when it comes to night and weather effects. Time for a new Xbox design.

[units]

turn 10

the majority of our graphical investment went into our new image-based lighting (IBL) model, as well as new material shaders, which give our cars and tracks such a realistic, detailed look

[ironwolf]

Try reading further, and a little between the lines.

"If we cut down on the number of cars on track, used original Xbox-generation car models, dropped to 30 FPS, or (and this would be the most effective solution) built specific tracks from the ground-up to have less detail and thus extra performance headroom, then night racing and/or weather conditions may have been possible. Some of those trade-offs, we just were not willing to do. Others would require time that we used to develop other features in the game—specifically, the new graphical look of the game in general. Night and weather are features we will continue to evaluate as the franchise continues. We’re waiting for the right time to deliver these features to our fans."

For "We’re waiting for the right time to deliver these features to our fans." read "when the next generation is available."

[dark-hollow]

To be fair, some of the limitations they wrote, Gt5 had them.
Like the less detailed tracks (there are some beautiful tracks in gt5 and there are some flat-out ugly!) and the use of last generation cars models.

Everything has a limit, it's not something they should be ashamed of.

[fluffydelusions]

Well if you're talking hardware then it's time for new consoles all around when compared to PC not just xbox but if you're talking fun, all consoles can produce enjoyable games.

[dark-hollow]

Because it isn't there it doesn't mean they can't.
Many forza haters said they can't put more than 8 cars on track because of hardware.
Well guess what? Not only they managed to put 16 cars, put every car has ONE MILLION polygons!

Doesn't that mean the ps3 can't manage to push 1 million polygons for every premium car??? Am sure they can if they want to.

[-LUKE_SKYWALKER-]

Wow out of the entire article you choose to take that little but of info and post it here.

Shakes head.

[jizzyjones]

So Forza will never get night/weather on 360?

'If we cut down on the number of cars on track, used original Xbox-generation car models, dropped to 30 FPS, or (and this would be the most effective solution) built specific tracks from the ground-up to have less detail and thus extra performance headroom, then night racing and/or weather conditions may have been possible.'

[m23]

I doubt Forza 5 will release on 360. It will most likely be released on the next Xbox console.

[Japes]

Funny thing is people will still think that this will be better than Gt5!?? GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!!

[dark-hollow]

Why not?
It's not turn 10 fault that PD let the doors for competition wide and open with gt5 flaws!

800 cars are ps 2 quality with no interior view.
Menus are clunky and the loading screens are long and very often.
Some tracks have beautiful scenes and true work of art and the other are just ugly!
Even tho there are 1000 cars, the selection of cars is very poor! There are a lot of "super cars" and most famous cars are not there or they fall under the standard cars.
We don't need 100 skylines, 100 Miatas and 100 GTR's!!!!
Where is:
2009 Audi Q7 V12 TDI
2006 Audi RS4
2010 Audi S4
2007 Audi S5
2010 Audi TT-RS
2010 Bentley Continental GT
2010 Bentley Continental SS
2010 Bertone Mantide
1971 BMW 3.0 CSL
1991 BMW M3 E30
1997 BMW M3 E36
2010 BMW M6
2009 BMW X5
2010 BMW X6M
2011 BMW z4 sDrive35is
2004 Cadillac CTS-V
2009 Cadillac CTS-V
2011 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
2009 Chevrolet Aveo5 LT
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS
1970 Chevrolet El Camino
2008 Chrysler 300C SRT-8
2004 Chrysler PT Cruiser GT
2011 Citroen DS3
1971 De Tomaso Pantera
2010 Devon GTX
1996 Dodge Stealth RT Turbo
1957 Ferrari 250
1984 Ferrari 288
1999 Ferrari 360 Modena
1991 Ferrari 512 TR
2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello
2010 Ferrari 599XX
2004 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
2003 Ferrari Challenge Stradale
1969 Ferrari Dino 246
1994 Ferrari F355
1995 Ferrari F50
2005 Ferrari FXX
2010 Fiat Punto EVO
2009 Ford Fiesta
2010 Ford Fusion
2007 Ford Shelby GT500
1987 Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth
1993 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R
2010 Ford Taurus SHO
2010 Gumpert Apollo S
2010 Holden HSV w427
1999 Honda Civic SI
2006 Honda Civic SI coupe
2009 Honda Fit Sport
2004 Honda Mugen Civic Type R
2010 Honda Mugen Civic Type R
2005 Honda NSX Type R GT
2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe
1956 Jaguar D-Type
2009 Jaguar XKR-S
2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8
2010 Joss JT1
2010 Kia Forte Koup
2002 Koenigsegg CC8S
2008 Koenigsegg CCGT
2006 Koenigsegg CCX
1997 Lamborghini Diablo
2006 Lamborghini Miura Concept
2008 Lamborghini Reventon
2008 Land Rover Range Rover Supercharged

[-LUKE_SKYWALKER-]

If your comment does not get removed by the mods then god help N4G

[MOTY]

Forza 3 already out performed GT5.

I have yet so see a car in Forza to look like these cars in GT5

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[pennywhyz]

omg as a hard core gt fan..... i cannot wait for forza 4 this is how sims should be forza 4 ftw

[mcstorm]

Can't wait for this game and I'm glad turn 10 have come out and said what they said about night and weather. Shows they have tried it and said it is not possible at this time with there new engine but I'm also glad they decided to leave it out if it was going to impact on the gameplay. This was my biggest problem with gt5 as soon as something went wrong with your car it would start to skip and make it hard to correct the mistake. Really looking forward to this game and it looks like it will have enough in it to please most core and none core gamers.

[Japes]

That's it. Everybody complained how incomplete GT5 was althoughthey had 6 years to complete it. now with Forza coming out Turn 10 sees how time limits the same way polyphony did. Even after three going on four Forza games it still doesn't have feature GT5 does. Yamaguchi as a car fan detailed what he wanted in the game and then found out with time he couldn't complete it. Forza is a pretty chick cause she wears a lot of make up. Once you talk to her , not too much under the hood. Gt is a pretty chick without the makeup. and not such a shiny dress., but once you talk to her she can quote Aristotle. I'll take ambition before just trying to keep up anyday. Besides ive never heard of anyone playing Forza and then going into professional circuits and beating pros, let alone becoming one.

[Mustang300C2012]

2 years is a big difference then 6+ years of waiting promises and then the end result that was of GT5 that oh by the way, we are importing all these cars from PS2. Yeah lets actually compare the time. Especially all the excuses about the time it took for each car for interior "premiums" vs what Forza has done with ALL current cars that will ship on disc including future cars for DLC.

"Besides ive never heard of anyone playing Forza and then going into professional circuits and beating pros, let alone becoming one."

Talk about an idiotic comment. Please provide us with your professional drivers credentials. It is a game please stop with this overboard crap.

[reckoner]

What are you talking about? Read the article: there's plenty of stuff "under the hood" in Forza 4. If you're talking about the lack of night and weather at the very end of the article, then you're completely misconstruing what they're saying to your liking.

Turn 10 would rather have a solid, 60-fps racing experience than adding in night/weather effects that would compromise that performance. It's not about time constraints. So how does the omission of these two features automatically make GT5 a much better game?

GT5 has too small of a number of "premium cars", lackluster track textures, long load times, and a pretty terrible menu system among other faults. F4 won't have night races, weather effects, and probably will have many more negative aspects once the game releases. But both games are definitely best racing simulators out there.

I just don't understand how you came to the conclusion after "reading" this article that Forza 4 was all polish and no substance. In fact, it seems to me that omitting night races and weather effects (both of which seem to be "polish") in favor of solid performance and physics denote a steady attention to substance on Turn 10's part.

[reckoner]

This game is going to be sweet.

[JellyJelly]

They've thought about everything. Looks to be one of the best racing simulators ever!

[ironwolf]

I really don't care about night driving, with the single exception of it would have been great for a 24 hr LeMans run. Weather would have been a good thing, but I'm willing to wait for a new console that has the power to do it right. In the mean time I think Turn 10 have themselves a world beater here, and anyone who thinks otherwise has their head firmly embedded in their colon.

[Japes]

@REdHemi300c
go watch GT academy. It was a contest Polyphony had where the winner would receive a pro shot . The winner , of the academy who had never been in a pro race came in second against seasonal pros. The problem with these forums is that there is no form for a real conversation about the topic. It always debases to name calling and other BS. Listen good luck with Forza. Its easy to get to 2 when the guy before you gets to one. I personally like the scientific way damage occurs. Get to level 25 and turn the mechanical damage on to see the difference. Science matters. Oh ,and those who complain how the damage doesn't work, It was intentional. Yamaguchi, did that in order for the player to learn to drive correctly cause in the higher levels you pay ( money wise) for damage. Gt offered something that most games don't this gen. You have work to get to the rewarding parts. I'm at level 27 on Gt. I'm glad the damage wasn't as severe beforehand. It's tough as shit now. Go watch a real race and count how many times a car can LIGHTLY bump another without an effect. I prefer a simulation. If you prefer Forza or otherwise than that's your bag. I personally hope but doubt Froza is better. Then Poly will release more updates now that they stated gt 6 is for ps4. We all win. Anyhoo I'm out . continue your pointless debauchery.

[Mustang300C2012]

So you are rubbing yourself over what others have done becuase of GT Academy? GREAT FOR YOU. While the majority of consumers will buy both games simply because they enjoy the sport, cars and experience. Your comment above was simply idiotic fanboyish and once again as soon as any slight praise comes towards Forza a fanboy feels they need to defend GT5. GT5 was satisfactory for many gamers and that is fine but get off your high childish horse about the bs you spew.

[MOTY]

@ Japes

From start, in Forza 2 AND 3 and soon to be 4 you lose money for damage taken on ANY car. Again, FROM START. No grinding to get to lvl 25. Forza doesn't treat those who already know how to drive like an amateur. If you have the skills, then right out of the box, you can take ALL assists off and play it as a true sim taking damage on and consequeces like losing money for damage on you car.

So I wouldn't be bragging about "losing money" once you hit lvl 25. I skilled driver shouldn't have to have training wheels on until he proves himself. He should be able to jump in and play the way he or she feels their skill level is at.

"I prefer a simulation"

Since when does a sim allow you to crash into walls, barriers and other cars without consequenese? To me, it's not a sim until you grind to lvl 25. As well as since when is a sim forcing you to drive 800+ cars outside and not give you an interior view?

Sorry, but if you want a sim, then you shouldn't be focusing on GT5 for your sim fixations. Forza has been a better sim than GT5 since Forza 1 came out on the Xbox.

But enjoy your "sim". I will be enjoying Forza 4 even more than I did Forza 3.

[thehusbo]

Wow... does turn 10 actually pay u to speak so much bullshit?

[Japes]

As for the night races. Have a race long enough when the weather changes and day turns into night and then tell me you don't mind Forza isn't gonna have it. It makes a difference in the racing. From tires , road grip to vision. WITHOUT THE REWIND FEATURE.

[baodeus]

@Japes,

Just to let you know, instead of using the rewind feature, you can just stop and restart at the beginning when u screw up, just like GT5. I didn't know rewind feature in Forza is MANDATORY.

[Pyscho_Mantis]

So lemme get this straight they have added autovista but have decided they do not have enough space for night and weather hahahaha. Turn 10 are full of BS.

[Mustang300C2012]

Much rather have AutoVista than Night Weather IMO

[Japes]

@RedHemi300c
my comments are pure facts. FACTS: something is proven true. not an opinion or a bash comment like what you spew. In your replies toward what I've said you've shown no facts to prove your point.: while I have . It just shows your intelligence of lack thereof. If you have something to enlighten me with then do so. All this Fanboy BS is just that. The GT academy PROVES that the mechanics are solid. You don't take the time to formulate an argument before you spew. I never really card about Gt academy, never joined it, but I like anybody can't argue with the results. In the end of the day. these two games separate those who want sims and those wo want to just have mindless fun. Forza 4 doesn't teach you anything substantial at the end of the day. It's substance vs style. That rewind feature alone is enough for me to know that Turn to is't making a game for me, more like my grandpa. If you make a mistake with a button press it's undone. It matters more how you make that turn doing 90mph if there's no rewind feature to save your ass. Try that s#1T in you hemi and tell me how it works for you. If you wanna drag your knuckles your free to do so. Truth is I dont repsect Turn 10. They're too busy trynig to beat GT5 instead of making their own mark. If your trying to beat, then your trying to be like or improve on a already good idea: USUALLY NOT yours! Look at Burnout Paradise: Great Graphics, great gameplay, tons of free dlc, NOTHING LIKE GT5, FORZA OR ANY RACING GAME, except for its copycats. If you like Froza, and you care about a good game, stop bashing the game that if it wasn't for there would probably be no Forza. Instead champion Turn to to be its own identity instead of the game that tried to beat Gt series. Gt never competed against them. In short, "You stop telling lies about me , I'll stop telling the truth about you!" Gordon Gekko.

[ironwolf]

Tell me something. In GT5, can you re-run or restart a race? Huh. How realistic is that? The rewind button is for people having fun. There is no requirement to use it. And by the way, in real life, do you get to have collisions without consequences, until you've learned to drive correctly? I thought not. So, thats what you mean by "sim". Yeah, we'll all just take that under advisement. As has been said before, "a trolling punk, by any other name, is still a trolling punk."

Edit: And by the way. No one here was bashing any games until you chose to show up and bash on Forza.